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Posted by Ebato

On 2014-07-29 02:13:39, -XYZ wrote:

On 2014-07-28 22:06:46, Ebato wrote:
With ~2% market share, yes sure they should release a WP hs, why not, they have nothing to loose.


Except $$$ dropped on Research and Development.

What $$$? They can reuse their flagship hardware. WP is FAAAR less demanding than lagdroid. 8.1 can be run on last year flagship hardware easily. Minimum investment, great exposure, because let's face it when HTC releases their 8.1 set and LG will do the same late 2014, they are up for another race Sony can't afford. Yes most WP sets from top-tier manufacturers have been afterthoughts so far (except nokia for obvious reasons). It's about to change with 8.1 onwards.


Posted by supercoolman

On 2014-07-29 06:32:44, Ebato wrote:

On 2014-07-29 02:13:39, -XYZ wrote:

On 2014-07-28 22:06:46, Ebato wrote:
With ~2% market share, yes sure they should release a WP hs, why not, they have nothing to loose.


Except $$$ dropped on Research and Development.

What $$$? They can reuse their flagship hardware. WP is FAAAR less demanding than lagdroid. 8.1 can be run on last year flagship hardware easily. Minimum investment, great exposure, because let's face it when HTC releases their 8.1 set and LG will do the same late 2014, they are up for another race Sony can't afford. Yes most WP sets from top-tier manufacturers have been afterthoughts so far (except nokia for obvious reasons). It's about to change with 8.1 onwards.



WP should start supporting OS upgrade for at least two generations first or it's almost DOA for all

Posted by Ranjith
I would love to see SONY come upo with few WP flagships.Better to do it now than before every OEM starts making them.SONY needs to gain the upper hand soon.

Posted by HxH
Those two that turn their head into WP because of Android has no sales for them, it isn't help much WP market is clearly dominated by variety of Lumia device the mobile division of M$ anyway.

They just want to clear up stockpile of inventory parts in other way round, which Sony well managed into 6-month flagship policy in such fast pace shifting trend.

Posted by stook
Z3 compact

Dimensions compared with Z1 compact - everything is a bit smaller - thinner, shorter, less width
Weight - ca 10g lighter

Display size - using a ruler I would say 11.6mm eg 4.56 inches

Same style stereo speaker holes as Z3

Sides are plastic not metal as Z3. (at least on prototype)

SW: One new thing both Z3s have is a ULTRA Stamina mode:
Disables all communications except phone (and sms) and leaves only selected apps (sms, camera, album, fm radio (but not mp3 player), calendar, alarm, contacts)


Posted by Wintermute

On 2014-07-29 06:32:44, Ebato wrote:

On 2014-07-29 02:13:39, -XYZ wrote:

On 2014-07-28 22:06:46, Ebato wrote:
With ~2% market share, yes sure they should release a WP hs, why not, they have nothing to loose.


Except $$$ dropped on Research and Development.

What $$$? They can reuse their flagship hardware. WP is FAAAR less demanding than lagdroid. 8.1 can be run on last year flagship hardware easily. Minimum investment, great exposure, because let's face it when HTC releases their 8.1 set and LG will do the same late 2014, they are up for another race Sony can't afford. Yes most WP sets from top-tier manufacturers have been afterthoughts so far (except nokia for obvious reasons). It's about to change with 8.1 onwards.


Windows Phone is a failed OS. Even with Microsoft's billions of dollars in advertising, they can't gain a foothold. Even paying developers to create apps for the platform hasn't gotten anyone interested. It's over. Microsoft had a chance in 2009, MAYBE even as late as 2010, but they failed to create a compelling product and in the mean time Google and Apple had conquered the mobile world and divided it between themselves. There was, and is, no space remaining for the orphan that is Windows Phone. Especially now that many users are entrenched in one side or the other's ecosystem, and while Microsoft's app selection STILL remains incredibly weak compared to Android and iOS, and the OS itself offers nothing that the other two don't do better, it's over for Windows Phone. Of course Microsoft can afford to keep it on life support indefinitely, with steady cash transfusions, but it will never walk again.

Posted by MartenR
@stook do you have the phones?

Posted by stook
@MartenR
no - just chance to have a quick look nothing more

Posted by DexterMoser

On 2014-07-29 09:13:10, stook wrote:
Z3 compact

Dimensions compared with Z1 compact - everything is a bit smaller - thinner, shorter, less width
Weight - ca 10g lighter

Same style stereo speaker holes as Z3

That's impressive!

Posted by motvikt

On 2014-07-29 09:13:10, stook wrote:
Z3 compact

Dimensions compared with Z1 compact - everything is a bit smaller - thinner, shorter, less width
Weight - ca 10g lighter

Display size - using a ruler I would say 11.6mm eg 4.56 inches

Same style stereo speaker holes as Z3

Sides are plastic not metal as Z3. (at least on prototype)

SW: One new thing both Z3s have is a ULTRA Stamina mode:
Disables all communications except phone (and sms) and leaves only selected apps (sms, camera, album, fm radio (but not mp3 player), calendar, alarm, contacts)



Hallelujah! I was afraid Sony would make it bigger as usual

Posted by XperiaJunkie
Any idea weather the screen in the Z3C will be a 720 or 1080 display. The smallest 1080p display that JDI list is 4.7" just a little bit larger than what stook said.

Posted by napahlm
Nice! They did a great job on the Z3C if that claim turns out to be accurate. I do however hope for metal. But very high quality plastic might do the trick, and keep the price a bit lower. Or the margins for sony higher, depends on how you look at it.
But i have a full year left on my contract. So no new sony for me...

Posted by stook
@XperiaJunkie
display is 720p


Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@stook thanks for the info! Is the back of the device made of glas or plastic? Do you know how much RAM the Z3C has?

Posted by stook
@JohnnyNr.5
cpu-z showed something like 1730 so probably it has 2GB of ram
I think the back is plastic but I am not 100% sure


Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Okay thx. To summarize it, the only main difference between Z1C and Z3 is a 0,2" bigger display?! I can accept no big spec bump in a six month release cycle, but after 12 month it's quite a different story. No 1080p display, still 2GB Ram and 16GB Rom, same camera sensor....really disappointing.
[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-07-29 13:56 ]


Posted by HxH
Here we go again, same old repeating story and keep crying those crying that. Slightly bigger display in a smaller & lighter package is obviously good to me, hope for better water protection.

seriously why and what do you need 1080p for below 5 inch display, 720px at 300ppi is decent enough.

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@HxH You clearly misunderstood my post. I'm not complaining about one single spec, but overall specs. After 12 month I expect more than just a 0,2" bigger display. I mean I can the Z1C for 300 EURO, so why should I pay 50% more for just 0,2"?! As a consumer (not die hard sony fanyboy) I'm looking to get the best value for my money.
[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-07-29 14:35 ]


Posted by Hilmawan

On 2014-07-29 15:34:50, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
@HxH You clearly misunderstood my post. I'm not complaining about one single spec, but overall specs. After 12 month I expect more than just a 0,2" bigger display. I mean I can the Z1C for 300 EURO, so why should I pay 50% more for just 0,2"?! As a consumer (not die hard sony fanyboy) I'm looking to get the best value for my money.
[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-07-29 14:35 ]


Yeah Good luck finding any compact high-end phones with better specs than the Z3C.
Stereo speakers, built in NC tech and more refined hardware is more than enough for me to spent more money and pick the Z3C over Z1C.
If you need the best value for money stop complaning and get Nexus or Moto G!

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
I already have both of them Nexus and Moto G and now I'm looking for a more premium one. It's true, a high-end below 5" phone is hard to find these days with Z1C and Z3C being the most attractive ones, but still, the difference in specs doesn't justify the extra charge over Z1C (just my personal opinion). And since the IP6 is rumored to have a 4,7" display, I would rather spend my money on this than on Z3C.
[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-07-29 15:12 ]


Posted by Detox
@JohnnyNr.5: Why do you keep saying 12 months? Even if you would have mentioned the Z1f, it wouldn't be 12 months, let alone Z1 Compact. 720p is still enough. 16 GB ROM is unfortunately something that all Xperias suffer. 2 GB RAM would be a bit disappointing though, when you consider that the Z2 already had 3 GB and the Z3 Compact should be "the best of Sony in a compact waterproof smartphone"...
[ This Message was edited by: Detox on 2014-07-29 15:46 ]


Posted by Hilmawan
@JohnnyNr.5
I really do not understand how your way of thinking, you say you are looking for the best value for money.
I have no doubt that the IP6 will be a great phone but i don't think its the best value for money + IP6 will most likely have relatively the same size with some other 5" phones.

Just like i said before as far as i know at least for now Nexus phones is the best value for money high-end specs with affordable price and great update support.

Posted by stook
besides the plastic edge I would say its a solid improvement - bigger display and smaller lighter phone with upgraded cpu

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@ Detox Okay, my mistake. Z1-f was presented in October, so 11 month than. Sure 720p is enough, but it's just not about one spec. If you update a device once a year,like Sony does it with the Comapct, I as a consumer expect decent spec upgrade. If I walk into a store and see both devices and spec sheets side by side I would ask my self why to pay more for almost the same device. Sure if you are on contract and get both for the same price it would be another story.


@Hilmawan Imo It's not only the hardware, but also software and ecosystem which defines the value of a smartphone . The Iphone is an overpriced peace of hardware, but you get a well build device with decent specs and even if its kinda sounds shallow, it's a "status symbol".

P.S. I hope you guys don't think that I'm trying to troll. I love Sony products, except for my display, all of my e-stuff (vaio, bravia, walkman, headset, ps3....) is made by Sony. I'm just disappointed, that's all.
[ This Message was edited by: JohnnyNr.5 on 2014-07-29 16:25 ]


Posted by XperiaJunkie
@stook I'm glad they are staying at 720p, 1080p would again be overkill at that size and wouldn't give any benifit to the user but would have a negitive effect on the battery.

Posted by -XYZ
Complaints about silicon should be aimed at Qualcomm.
Yes they have the 805, but it doesn't have an integrated LTE baseband, which means power consumption will be far too high. They got complacent and as such, the SoC market slowed down in 2014.

EDIT:

For the "Compact" line of phones, the rest is all down to physics. How much heat can you tolerate in a body that thin and small. Smaller phones inherently have a lower thermal capacity.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-07-29 17:28 ]



Posted by Hilmawan
No need to worry I really do not care if you trying to troll or not, because i'm not some die hard sony fanboys the Z2 and K750i is the only Sony products that i ever used in entire my life.
I just do not agree with some of your opinion or complaints, but i agree with the iPhone being a status symbol.

Posted by amirprog
Both devices will be a really worth upgrade for owners of arc/arc s/s/z. if you don't like a one of a kind high end android compact then you probably don't really need a new phone. no need to complain.

Posted by cu015170

On 2014-07-28 22:06:46, Ebato wrote:
here is nov 2013, they did a little better withon android ecosystem, I give you that http://cdn.bgr.com/2013/11/global-android-share.png


Yeah.. a pretty sad picture overall. There was only one other OEM that could've gone head to head with Sammy but they chose a different path.

If Sony manage to compete with LG I would consider that as success.. Samsung is out of the picture for them at this point.

Posted by qqqw
Absence of anti-shatter films and bigger screen-to-front face ratio is a huge update for me. Those two factors stopped me from buying z1 compact.

Posted by PowerLee

On 2014-07-29 18:55:36, amirprog wrote:
Both devices will be a really worth upgrade for owners of arc/arc s/s/z. if you don't like a one of a kind high end android compact then you probably don't really need a new phone. no need to complain.


As a former Arc S owner I recently pensioned it of & replaced it with a Nokia Lumia 930 instead.

Sony mobile lost me with the constant poor build quality & software bugs on the newer handsets, not forgetting Android now isn't all its cracked up to be.

Sony mobile needs to stop repeatedly promising the moon on a stick for each device & then as usual failing to deliver.

Posted by -XYZ

On 2014-07-29 19:41:38, PowerLee wrote:

Sony mobile needs to stop repeatedly promising the moon on a stick for each device & then as usual failing to deliver.


Sony didn't promise you the moon. Most of the lofty expectations comes from bullshit rumours.

Posted by amirprog
@PowerLee
Well, i understand different preferences. you prefer windows os, etc. but i disagree that z devices have poor build quality, all phones may have software/hardware issues. z2 is the first sony z device that delivers overall a good flag. notice all the improvements since the first z. z3 and z3c will surely rise the bar and fix z2 bugs and criticism. if you buy a nokia phone then you simply prefer windows os. all companies hype their products maybe sometimes beyond what its worth. for sony they should mostly not repeat silly decisions like applying shatter films to phones, not reading the market and using inferior display panels that users dislike, should keep improving camera software, bring option for enabling ringtones and notification from both speakers, make the device more resistant to heating, aside of new software and hardware features and the obvious improving worldwide availability, marketing and carrier support.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-07-29 19:30 ]


Posted by huiyi

Z3!!

Posted by Tizzo
@Huiyi
According to digi-wo this is the Z3 Compact, not the Z3.










Posted by nodarsixar
Xenon flash?

Posted by Tizzo
@nodarsixar
Not sure, although it does appear larger than the Z2's LED flash.

Posted by Tizzo
Actually looking at my Z2, the LED looks pretty much the same.

Posted by milukugiuniu

On 2014-07-30 08:49:01, Tizzo wrote:
Actually looking at my Z2, the LED looks pretty much the same.


Do you really have Z2?

Posted by ascariss
LED does look slightly larger than when I compare my Z1 and this but hard to tell from the photo.

Curious for the supposed z3x and how that will turn out, would be nice to have a smaller phone with the same camera, z3c but if the z3x and the curved sensor comes out in January or February, wouldn't mind waiting for that to see how the camera stacks up.

Posted by Tizzo

On 2014-07-30 09:58:59, milukugiuniu wrote:

On 2014-07-30 08:49:01, Tizzo wrote:
Actually looking at my Z2, the LED looks pretty much the same.


Yes I have had the Z2 for over a month now. I love it!!!!

Do you really have Z2?


Posted by alexander87
is that a waterproof micro usb in the last picture?

look careful in the lower side of the lateral frame

Posted by Hilmawan
I guess it's just a phone strap hole.
[ This Message was edited by: Hilmawan on 2014-07-30 10:21 ]


Posted by badassmam
I think that's the Compact based on the size of the headphone jack. Side bezels look nice and thin but the sides look very plastic. I really hope the back is brushed metal and not the crap easy-scratch plastic on the Z1C. I want to see some nice colours too, more vibrant yellows and less of the lame mint green of the latest Xperia.

Posted by amirprog
I've looked at z2 and z1c. this does look like z3c and not z3. led flash is the same.
that hole in the metal frame is for lanyard, if it was a micro usb then it would look like one and wouldn't have a hook inside it, you can see it clearly even with this blurred pic.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-07-30 10:53 ]


Posted by T-mobile

On 2014-07-30 11:19:46, Hilmawan wrote:
I guess it's just a phone strap hole.
[ This Message was edited by: Hilmawan on 2014-07-30 10:21 ]



I have a feelilng that this hole is for air relief of the front lower speaker in order to produce a more bass sound. It doesn't look to me as a micro-usb port or a strap hole.

Posted by stook
international Z3C proto looked like this on the right
http://static.xperiablog.net/[....]2014/06/Xperia-Z3-Compact1.jpg
with strap holes at the left bottom not at the side, front camera at the right side


Posted by amirprog
@T-mobile
Friend, it is for lanyard since there is no other place in the phone with a hole and you can clearly see the hook inside. sony did not ditched lanyard option since all z flags have it and also the prototype. "relief for lower speaker" please, i respect all opinions but let's not talk none sense.

Posted by motvikt

On 2014-07-30 12:33:46, stook wrote:
international Z3C proto looked like this on the right
http://static.xperiablog.net/[....]2014/06/Xperia-Z3-Compact1.jpg
with strap holes at the left bottom not at the side, front camera at the right side



Then the digi-wo one is probably the Japanese variant

Posted by alexander87
oh darn it really hoped for a waterproof micro usb port.

thing is that it does look a bit too wide? I would expect just a small hole as it's been sony's choice ever since. tho the location for a micro usb slot is also weird and would expect it to be at top.

patiently waiting for a headphone jack located at the bottom


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