Posted by Xajel
On 2014-07-24 18:44:52, itsjustJOH wrote:
Is this the "entirely new design"?
AFAIR Z3 was supposed to have a new design, but it was canceled duo to complexity and high-cost of mass manufacturing
So, this might be plan B
Posted by king-james
Why no plan C, cancel Z3!
Posted by Ebato
On 2014-07-24 23:23:48, king-james wrote:
Why no plan C, cancel Z3!
very true, with iP6 being released at the same time, no one will notice anyway
sony has become apple of sorts with small updates and no radical improvements to the design. The only difference, apple sells tons of their crap and sony does not
[ This Message was edited by: Ebato on 2014-07-25 00:59 ]
Posted by Ricky D
The power button has been updated. It no longer has a base ring and the button itself is larger.
I think the frame looks enough of an update to call it a change in design.. just. I think going simpler on the edges runs the risk of looking less serious and more of a toy, but I've not seen/felt it in hand yet.
I really don't like the iPhone style earpiece (and mic hole) unless it means that they're putting in massive stereo speakers.
I'd consider this more seriously as an upgrade to my Z if the front was cleaner and the notification light wasn't so close to the corner.
Posted by maloqs
By looking its specs I would not buy it as the internal memory,flash light are too 😞disappointing.
Posted by vivftp
On 2014-07-25 02:13:02, Ricky D wrote:
I'd consider this more seriously as an upgrade to my Z if the front was cleaner and the notification light wasn't so close to the corner.
I believe one of the insiders said the notification Led on the international version would be different
Posted by puestadelsol
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This is a very stupid excuse. Taking in consideration that Sony is trying to overprice it's products as much as possible. You can say that it isn't true, but if you look back, in the past 2-3 years, the products price/value ratio have clearly changed in a bad way, because Sony is trying to use premium price tags. Despite using quality materials and hardware, the premium price tag is only due to the Sony branding. At the same time it's a shame that almost any manufacturer can produce better results, with Sony camera sensors, but Sony praises itself, with the best of Sony slogan.
I've ever used Ericsson, Sony Ericsson phones and now Sony, and you can look down on Samsung, but they are now more innovative than Sony, because Sony totally lacks it. Just look at Samsung, LG, Nokia in the camera field, phase detection AF, laser AF, OIS. I think the Galaxy s4 zoom and particularly the Galaxy K zoom is a nice try to bring the cameraphone concept in the smartphone era, which nearly wanished after 2009. In the meantime Sony should have produced long ago a Cyber-shot T style Xperia with optical zoom, light wieght and compact size
size. But at Sony I don't see any minor sign of innovation, just everything is bigger, more, and said to be better, but you can't see any additional feature, or anything what could be called innovative. It also seems that Sony sent to vacation 1,5 years ago the designers.
For now Samsung's portfolio is also more well balanced. They have an offer in any price segment, in any size in a wide range of specifications. Sony focuses mainly on premium called, high priced, and big phones. Below 4,8 inch screen they only have the Z1 compact with 4,3 screen, which would be overall a good phone, and the E1, which is a joke (you can buy a Samsung with AF+led camera, and a more mature design for that price, because the E1 has a kind of toy-omnibalance design, so I don't know who is that stupid person, who for that price buys exactly the E1). They even don't care about the weight of the phone. Except E1, the lightest is the Z1 compact with 137 g, which isn't a light weight, upper limit in weight of Sony phones is up to the starry sky.
After using for years Sony Ericsson phones I've recently bought an Xperia V, because I realised that I maybe won't ever find a phone with this specifications, this size and wieght, because all capable Xperias are heavier, bigger. Why have I bought just in the past month the Xperia V? Because I was waiting for a more convincing device, but I haven't found one yet.
And this half year update schedule is just something insane. The Xperia Z1 appeared on the shelves, not more than 9 months ago, but is nearly forgotten. While the first Z2 users can't have their phone for more than 4 month, we are waiting the announcement of Z3. And because we all know that it will be just a repacked Z1/Z2, it isn't on the shelves, it isn't even announced, but we are already waiting for the Z4, and from the past experiences I don't expect anything revolutionary from that device.
I am prepared that I'll get a lot offence from blinded Sony fans, (in spite of I consider myself a Sony Ericsson fan, but not blinded). But, just think about some things what I described, that there is some truth in it...
Posted by supercoolman
On 2014-07-25 08:58:00, puestadelsol wrote:
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This is a very stupid excuse. Taking in consideration that Sony is trying to overprice it's products as much as possible. You can say that it isn't true, but if you look back, in the past 2-3 years, the products price/value ratio have clearly changed in a bad way, because Sony is trying to use premium price tags. Despite using quality materials and hardware, the premium price tag is only due to the Sony branding. At the same time it's a shame that almost any manufacturer can produce better results, with Sony camera sensors, but Sony praises itself, with the best of Sony slogan.
I've ever used Ericsson, Sony Ericsson phones and now Sony, and you can look down on Samsung, but they are now more innovative than Sony, because Sony totally lacks it. Just look at Samsung, LG, Nokia in the camera field, phase detection AF, laser AF, OIS. I think the Galaxy s4 zoom and particularly the Galaxy K zoom is a nice try to bring the cameraphone concept in the smartphone era, which nearly wanished after 2009. In the meantime Sony should have produced long ago a Cyber-shot T style Xperia with optical zoom, light wieght and compact size
size. But at Sony I don't see any minor sign of innovation, just everything is bigger, more, and said to be better, but you can't see any additional feature, or anything what could be called innovative. It also seems that Sony sent to vacation 1,5 years ago the designers.
For now Samsung's portfolio is also more well balanced. They have an offer in any price segment, in any size in a wide range of specifications. Sony focuses mainly on premium called, high priced, and big phones. Below 4,8 inch screen they only have the Z1 compact with 4,3 screen, which would be overall a good phone, and the E1, which is a joke (you can buy a Samsung with AF+led camera, and a more mature design for that price, because the E1 has a kind of toy-omnibalance design, so I don't know who is that stupid person, who for that price buys exactly the E1). They even don't care about the weight of the phone. Except E1, the lightest is the Z1 compact with 137 g, which isn't a light weight, upper limit in weight of Sony phones is up to the starry sky.
After using for years Sony Ericsson phones I've recently bought an Xperia V, because I realised that I maybe won't ever find a phone with this specifications, this size and wieght, because all capable Xperias are heavier, bigger. Why have I bought just in the past month the Xperia V? Because I was waiting for a more convincing device, but I haven't found one yet.
And this half year update schedule is just something insane. The Xperia Z1 appeared on the shelves, not more than 9 months ago, but is nearly forgotten. While the first Z2 users can't have their phone for more than 4 month, we are waiting the announcement of Z3. And because we all know that it will be just a repacked Z1/Z2, it isn't on the shelves, it isn't even announced, but we are already waiting for the Z4, and from the past experiences I don't expect anything revolutionary from that device.
I am prepared that I'll get a lot offence from blinded Sony fans, (in spite of I consider myself a Sony Ericsson fan, but not blinded). But, just think about some things what I described, that there is some truth in it...
did you use a web translator to translate these sentences from a different language to English?
Posted by puestadelsol
@supercoolman
When I've read again, I realised that here and there isn't perfect the composition, but I had no patience to rewrite/correct it on a phone's touchscreen. But, just simply don't understand what I've wrote if you don't want to.
I guess you're a native English speaker. Instead of mocking would be nice from you to correct my mistakes, so I could learn from them.
[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2014-07-25 09:16 ]
Posted by nikos_se
Google translator or not he has a point.Sony's portfolio this year,has been rather weak.Xperia Z3 looks rather underwhelming,I can't think of a single feature that makes it more exciting or interesting than Xperia Z2.At least they could try differentiate their portfolio..what about releasing smartphones with 4.5"-4.7" 1080p displays or 5.5"-5.7" 1080p displays.Last year they took the unorthodox way and released a smartphone-tablet with a 6.5" display that had lackluster sales due to its huge size.
Posted by amirprog
I have no problem with z3 design. a new phone is there for people who have an old phone for a few years. in terms of buying a new smartphone, for example, most people (not a minority of hardcore fanatic smartphone fans
) who bought xperia z shouldn't complain because barely 2 years have passed since they bought their device. if z4 wouldn't have more major difference in internals and/or design then i would start criticizing but we all know that z4 will bring more substantial changes and maybe also in design so it's all good. besides, we really don't know enough about what features z3 will have so i'm sure sony will differentiate it with it's own unique features and package.
anyway, it has the best omnibalance design imo because the metal frame design is seamless - truly one part with no added lines/plastic/rubber, it's curved, side bezels are slimmer, device is slimmer and lighter, top and bottom bezel are big, buttons are slightly bigger. all this is adding to better ergonomics. a winning design.
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Posted by XperiaJunkie
New QX30 Lens-Style Camera on the horizon with 30x zoom?
We recently reported that Sony would launch at least one new Lens Style Camera at IFA 2014 in early September. This would follow on from the launch of the DSC-QX10 and DSC-QX100 cameras at last year’s IFA. One of these new models is believed to be the DSC-QX30, following the appearance of a registration on the Korean RRA (National Radio Research Agency) site.
The previous report suggested a lens-style camera with 30x zoom, perhaps this is why the number ’30′ is used in the DSC-QX30 model number. It would be no surprise to see a new lens-style camera from Sony, especially since last year’s models were effectively a new imaging form factor. It shows there was enough success in these models to warrant a new release.
(this text was a direct copy from xperiablog.net)
Excited much ? I know I am. I could replace my QX10 and get the snap on case like I have for my Z1 if the price is right.
Posted by ascariss
This is great news, I hope Sony releases more models, especially one that has a fixed lens with no zoom and a nice f, like f1.8. I don't need zoom and if they took the qx100, removed it but kept the sensor, and made it thinner, I would be all over that.
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-07-25 15:14:08, ascariss wrote:
This is great news, I hope Sony releases more models, especially one that has a fixed lens with no zoom and a nice f, like f1.8. I don't need zoom and if they took the qx100, removed it but kept the sensor, and made it thinner, I would be all over that.
Aside from sensor size, I thought the whole point of the QX series was to enable optical zoom.
The QX10 has the same 1/2.3 sensor as the Z1 after all, except with 10x optical zoom added in. The QX100 is a different situation I'll admit, but would a fast prime be useful?
Posted by supercoolman
On 2014-07-25 09:31:00, puestadelsol wrote:
@supercoolman
When I've read again, I realised that here and there isn't perfect the composition, but I had no patience to rewrite/correct it on a phone's touchscreen. But, just simply don't understand what I've wrote if you don't want to.
I guess you're a native English speaker. Instead of mocking would be nice from you to correct my mistakes, so I could learn from them.
[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2014-07-25 09:16 ]
I thought you google translated some article from the web, so they weren't your words
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-07-25 16:50:36, -XYZ wrote:
On 2014-07-25 15:14:08, ascariss wrote:
This is great news, I hope Sony releases more models, especially one that has a fixed lens with no zoom and a nice f, like f1.8. I don't need zoom and if they took the qx100, removed it but kept the sensor, and made it thinner, I would be all over that.
Aside from sensor size, I thought the whole point of the QX series was to enable optical zoom.
The QX10 has the same 1/2.3 sensor as the Z1 after all, except with 10x optical zoom added in. The QX100 is a different situation I'll admit, but would a fast prime be useful?
I like zoom don't get me wrong but I am also used to a fast prime on my NEX, either 35 or 50mm and I sometimes use just this lens to shot all my photos. A prime with no zoom might also be smaller but then that would also depend on the focal length as well.
I would pick up the QX100 but I am hoping for some an updated model this fall, hopefully sporting a bionzX processor, somehow I doubt that will happen. The new firmware has really speed up the lens cameras so that is a major plus but there still appears to be a slight lag, maybe they will fix that eventually.
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Posted by Away
The Z1 and Z2 had near identical specs too. But the Z2 is considered way better.
Despite the similar specs, I'm confident we'll see a software package - Sony does seem to be concentrating on that nowadays. Similarly, we'll see a significantly better battery life. And don't forget unique hardware features, a DAC or whatever.
All of this is pure speculation, but Sony do seem to be picking up their smartphone and tablet game...
The Z left them near the top, the Z1 fell ever so slightly short of being perfect and the Z2 picked up the pieces.
Sony have had ample time to vertically integrate their technologies, we're seeing that more and more, but we should see them really pushing the limits now.
An even better display, better battery life, better camera hardware and software, marginally better processor are givens. But just how much more headroom is there? Unless developers push the limits or we use smartphones in different ways, a 2012/13/14 flagship should last you a while...
All the above is speculation/hope.
We see companies become complacent and lose it all after being on the top (Nokia), it would be a shame to see Sony lose it all before they even got to the top, LOL.
My disappointment isn't with the OEMs this year, literally all of them seem to have delivered feasible, competitive products satisfying our needs. It's with developers and maybe slightly with OEMs not rethinking and expanding on what we use our smartphones for exactly. Nvidia seems to be going in a good direction, but I'm not a gamer, why would I care? Perhaps the lack of 64 bit and armv8 is slowing things down?
It's sad to see Qualcomm improving their chip 10%one year on. Disappointing.
Posted by vivftp
Indeed, the people jumping on the supposed specs of the Z3 are getting ahead of themselves IMO. There are obvious design changes meant to address the complaints about the previous phones not being very hand friendly. The phone should be easier to hold, the power button, volume rocker and shutter buttons are larger. The flaps even looks like they may be even easier to access. We know an IR port has been integrated as well. The fact that things like the processor haven't been upgraded to the highest end chipset available aren't things that should worry us too much IMO because I'm going to speculate the Z3 should completely destroy those other high end phones in the battery life department.
Anyways, chances are there are still features about the phone we just don't know yet and won't know until much closer to launch, or at the launch itself. There's still hope for built in wireless charging and who knows what else.
Posted by amirprog
@Aycaramba
The only valid point you wrote is about mid range phones not being a good deal but this is not an issue that is exclusive to Sony. when you want to buy a new phone and you want a good deal you either buy last year flag or a low end phone which the best offer recently and still is: moto g. sony need to try rivaling the moto g. it seems that mid range phones can't really rival last year flags.
Posted by goldenface
Good reasoning vivftp.
The fact that Sony is updating its flagships every six months means we're getting the latest tech every six months, rather than each year, which means the tech is more up to date and Sony is able to refine their Z series design quicker.
On the other hand the differences between each Z flagship are smaller. Which is why the Z3 won't seem like any type of real upgrade from the Z2. To me it's more design changes than anything else. I'll reserve judgment until the announcement.
Posted by MartenR
I'm almost sure that Sony will add wireless charging in either Z3 or 1H 15 flagship. In the end of 2013 Nikkei reported that Sony and Rohm are working on a wireless charging solution which cuts the charging time to half(1 hour) and it will be commercialized in H2 14. I think it worths the wait. Anyways here's my REALISTIC wishlist for Z3: 1- fast wireless charging 2- height less than 146 mm and width less than 69 mm 3- More refined UI (smoother and less cartoonish) 4- Better speakers 5- Less reflective display. 6- Even longer battery life 7-Superior auto at 13 Mpx at least.
To what extent do you think my wish will be realized?
Posted by vivftp
Supposed pics of the Z3 rear side taken from the factory floor
http://wccftech.com/sony-xper[....]es-leak-mass-production-start/
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2014-07-27 14:18:27, goldenface wrote:
... means we're getting the latest tech every six months, rather than each year, which means the tech is more up to date ...
S801 is not really up to date nor the latest tech by that time.
Posted by MartenR
@vivftp It's not Z3's back but Z2's. Look at the first picture; On the left side of the yellow box it's clearly stated "sirius panel back". Sirius is Z2 not Z3.
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-07-27 18:48:35, DexterMoser wrote:
On 2014-07-27 14:18:27, goldenface wrote:
... means we're getting the latest tech every six months, rather than each year, which means the tech is more up to date ...
S801 is not really up to date nor the latest tech by that time.
Well if you want the latest that would be the 805 I guess but it doesn't ship with a modem so a negative in my books.
Best option is to wait for the Z4 with the 810 and hopefully the new curved sensor.
Posted by Xajel
I really hope Sony change their 2 flags per year policy..
For me the best option will be introducing the flagship in H1 or mid-year, and after 6 month ( = H2 or last/early year ) will introduce a major software update... this does not mean the new phone will not come with it's own unique software features, but the mid year update should come with all what the customers and review sites wanted from the software side ( except major software bugs and security issues )...
The software update should come to all high-ends ( including the tablet, mini and Ultra if there's one )...
this approach I think will give Sony more time to refine the software more as they will not be bothered by making a software for a new device...
Posted by Away
The issue is that you don't get sales by announcing a software upgrade 6 months later. So, a new device it is. As long as Sony give good, long lasting software support, it's only a positive for consumers.
Who remembers the Motorola X, more specifically its chip?Sony have to make similar custom deals with vendors to get above the competition. Before someone says they don't have the buying power, Sony does. Like they've (annoyingly) said, they use the same chips across the high end range. In total, that's a LOT of devices sold. And, like we've all noticed, there are many mid-end devices all using the same chips too. Perhaps they could even do custom stuff there?
And Sony HAVE to stop relying on Qualcomm. Less than a 10% upgrade in what, 18 months when the s810 finally releases? And remember how we all mocked the earlier octa-core vendors for having each cluster of cores running at the same frequency? Qualcomm too will suffer from that issue, LOL. Again, with a custom solution, this wouldn't have been an issue.
Posted by Ebato
Sony is irrelevant in lagdroid space with 2% market-share. Doing 2 flagships per year with no carrier deals in the US is suicidal in all and every aspect. It's just plain out stupid, like most things Sony do nowadays. If they don't offer a WP solution next year, they will truly champion the crown of stupidity among Japanese high-tech corps.
Posted by Away
On 2014-07-28 03:15:53, Ebato wrote:
Sony is irrelevant in lagdroid space with 2% market-share. Doing 2 flagships per year with no carrier deals in the US is suicidal in all and every aspect. It's just plain out stupid, like most things Sony do nowadays. If they don't offer a WP solution next year, they will truly champion the crown of stupidity among Japanese high-tech corps.
Pretty sure that killed any credibility you might have otherwise had...
Posted by Wintermute
On 2014-07-28 01:22:47, Away wrote:
And Sony HAVE to stop relying on Qualcomm. Less than a 10% upgrade in what, 18 months when the s810 finally releases? And remember how we all mocked the earlier octa-core vendors for having each cluster of cores running at the same frequency? Qualcomm too will suffer from that issue, LOL. Again, with a custom solution, this wouldn't have been an issue.
Not that Qualcomm should not be publicly flogged for dragging their feet on the Krait upgrade for so long, but the A57 cores in the S810 are much faster than the A15 (which is faster than Krait by a hair). Compared to A15, you're looking at roughly a 25-50% performance increase.
Posted by Ebato
I've had none to begin with. Yet, it does not make what I said any less valid or less true.
On 2014-07-28 04:24:00, Away wrote:
On 2014-07-28 03:15:53, Ebato wrote:
Sony is irrelevant in lagdroid space with 2% market-share. Doing 2 flagships per year with no carrier deals in the US is suicidal in all and every aspect. It's just plain out stupid, like most things Sony do nowadays. If they don't offer a WP solution next year, they will truly champion the crown of stupidity among Japanese high-tech corps.
Pretty sure that killed any credibility you might have otherwise had...
Posted by cableguy
China seems to be where the money is at now, look at the results from Apple they made huge revenue there last year.
Sony would be better off making money there than in the US where Apple have such a strong hold and Samsung spend $$$ on advertising, operators will mainly sell phones that people want, if people see XX amount of ads for Samsung a lot of them will want those phones.
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-07-28 06:39:00, Ebato wrote:
I've had none to begin with. Yet, it does not make what I said any less valid or less true.
You're right in that you had no credibility to begin with. Doesn't change how wrong you are.
Sony needs to release a WP handset to become relevant?
Sony has less than 2% of the android phone market?
Do you have proof of this, or are you just chatting shit?
Posted by MartenR
OT Now that there's thee days left to Sony's Q2 financial results announcement, how many units do you think they sold in in Q2? What is your prediction for net and operating profit? I guess around 9.8 million units with around $10 million net loss and a brake even op profit.
Posted by goldenface
On 2014-07-28 10:28:43, cableguy wrote:
China seems to be where the money is at now, look at the results from Apple they made huge revenue there last year.
Sony would be better off making money there than in the US where Apple have such a strong hold and Samsung spend $$$ on advertising, operators will mainly sell phones that people want, if people see XX amount of ads for Samsung a lot of them will want those phones.
I don't think Sony will ever to really well in China, for political reasons. As soon as there is a diplomatic spat over the islands, which is bound to happen, anti-Japanese sentiment becomes inflamed and sales suffer.
I think they should stick to Europe, tackle the US and maintain their good momentum in India - all large markets.
Posted by -XYZ
If the PS4 does well in China, Xperia smartphones may do wel, merely by association.
Too early to say really.
Posted by Ricky D
Actually, I think the diplomatic situation between China and Japan tends to only happen in brief flashes, things tend to cool down quite quickly, and the height of the anti-Japanese sentiment is not Sony's key smartphone market.
Those who are young (below 35), male and with disposable income tend to be more open minded.. and choose Samsungs
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Most over 40/45 want iPhones or this really peculiar dual-sim Samsung flip phone. Young girls want iPhones.
Sony will do well to compete with young techy males and pick up any strays from the young female groups.
As for the PS4, is it officially available in China? I know the Wii was never allowed to be on sale properly, although it was a ban that was widely ignored. I don't remember the exact reasoning for the console ban but I felt it was to do with Wii having it's own built-in web browser (which would also put every other modern console out).
Posted by DACHA
Sony will announce three devices at IFA. Xperia Z3 and Z3 compact and an 8" tablet. All will have the same internals and design.
All 3 should release the last week of September in most European markets. In the US the Z3 will come to Verizon and the release date will be decided by Verizon.(The device is tested and ready for production) Z3 compact will be sold unlocked in the US and it is supposed to have CDMA support.
Posted by josephnero
@DACHA
I was hoping they would call it Z2s and make it exclusive to USA so it's not the case?Also can you confirm SD801 and other things?thanks
Posted by ascariss
This is good news, depending on the price of the small tablet, I may pick it up, but I will wait for the ifa press conference, from what I know, Sony has 2 new walkmans coming as well and I'd rather spend my money on these than a tablet for the time being.
Posted by Gitaroo
I think Z3 is sony desperation of gaining some sales back from the miss opportunity of Z2 due to the delay. They want it out as fast as possible and available for US for more carrier.
Posted by vivftp
On 2014-07-28 16:21:20, DACHA wrote:
Sony will announce three devices at IFA. Xperia Z3 and Z3 compact and an 8" tablet. All will have the same internals and design.
All 3 should release the last week of September in most European markets. In the US the Z3 will come to Verizon and the release date will be decided by Verizon.(The device is tested and ready for production) Z3 compact will be sold unlocked in the US and it is supposed to have CDMA support.
No Smartwatch 3?
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
@DACHA
So Z3, Compact and 8"Tablet will have: SD801 (2.4GHz x4), Adreno 330, 3GB/16GB, 20.7MP/2.1MP, KK 4.4.4.
What about resolution and size of Z3 Compact? 4.5" 720p or 4.6" 1080p?
Posted by ascariss
I can see the Z3C getting the 20MP camera but the 8 inch tablet? Would be nice if it did, but I feel they will go with the same camera that is on the Z2 tablet.
Posted by JohnnyNr.5
The 20MP camera on an 8" Sony tablet would totally make sense, since Sony is not aiming at the budget tablet market. There are a bunch of cheap 7" and 8" tablets out there and to justify a premium price point you need "outstanding" specs like water-resitant chasing, beautiful design...and an outstanding camera like that 20MP one from Sony. These days I often see people taking photos with their tablets (looks kinda weird) so it wouldn't be absurd to install a great camera on a premium portable 8" tablet. I wouldn't even be surprised if you would be able to make phone calls with that tablet using a headset.
Posted by Ebato
With ~2% market share, yes sure they should release a WP hs, why not, they have nothing to loose and potentialy alot to gain, especially in Europe.
http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2335616 granted it's 2012 and less than 2%, but really I doubt we are talking about any substantial increase by 2014 to justify me giving a single f*ck about searching for newer numbers. Besides, in the US it's nonexistent at all, so yeah, who cares about the largest market for high-end smartphones in the world.
Now feel free to cry me a river, couz I really can't care less
Edit: here is nov 2013, they did a little better withon android ecosystem, I give you that http://cdn.bgr.com/2013/11/global-android-share.png Still that blue area on the right, yeah the blue one, it should make sony fans sad, real sad...
Disclaimer, I'm a long-time sony fan, who would never buy any Korean-branded product for myself, for political reasons.
On 2014-07-28 11:22:58, -XYZ wrote:
On 2014-07-28 06:39:00, Ebato wrote:
I've had none to begin with. Yet, it does not make what I said any less valid or less true.
You're right in that you had no credibility to begin with. Doesn't change how wrong you are.
Sony needs to release a WP handset to become relevant?
Sony has less than 2% of the android phone market?
Do you have proof of this, or are you just chatting shit?
[ This Message was edited by: Ebato on 2014-07-28 21:15 ]
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-07-28 21:25:43, JohnnyNr.5 wrote:
The 20MP camera on an 8" Sony tablet would totally make sense, since Sony is not aiming at the budget tablet market. There are a bunch of cheap 7" and 8" tablets out there and to justify a premium price point you need "outstanding" specs like water-resitant chasing, beautiful design...and an outstanding camera like that 20MP one from Sony. These days I often see people taking photos with their tablets (looks kinda weird) so it wouldn't be absurd to install a great camera on a premium portable 8" tablet. I wouldn't even be surprised if you would be able to make phone calls with that tablet using a headset.
Look at the tab z2, outstanding specs, etc etc, but at 6.4mm you get a shitty camera and no flash. If sony goes this route for the smaller tablet, and makes it as thin if not thinner, then I wouldn't bet on the 20MP sensor fitting into it, let alone anything decent.
Posted by cu015170
I think Sony might release a WP device once they feel like the OS is in fact ready for "prime time" .. there is no reason to "beta" test for Microsoft who bought Nokia to do that with anyway.. Sony might as well wait until the OS is a bit more mature before investing.
And then we have the whole PS vs. Xbox bs... can't have a Sony WP that doesn't integrate with PS4 to a certain extend, but does with XBOX out of the box..
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-07-28 22:06:46, Ebato wrote:
With ~2% market share, yes sure they should release a WP hs, why not, they have nothing to loose.
Except $$$ dropped on Research and Development.