Posted by supercoolman
On 2014-07-15 17:20:38, HxH wrote:
No, I don't think it kind of that embarrass, not defending them but NO ONE expect 64bit chipset in 2013
Apple's attack is shaking every chipset designer/maker landscape, the roadmap need to re-think to fight back.
I think Qualcomm is in rush to prevent loss, they have no time for specially design own architecture.
Qualcomm plan to play standard A53-line in affordable with MediaTek
they didn't plan to fight with Apple 64bit on high-end turf, which clearly that the guard was down.
Qualcomm thought itself as the leader that no one can beat, so they slowed down or stopped being innovative. result is it got sandwiched from both top and low end.
Posted by Xajel
So let's look a little deeper into the near future
In 1H15 we will have Z4, can we expect Tablet Z4 with it or in the same timeframe ? Beside the Snappy 810 what can we expect any thing else ?
Posted by DACHA
On 2014-07-15 20:10:59, Xajel wrote:
So let's look a little deeper into the near future
In 1H15 we will have Z4, can we expect Tablet Z4 with it or in the same timeframe ? Beside the Snappy 810 what can we expect any thing else ?
New battery and better display. The new batteries are supposed to last over 30% longer with the same capacity and the new display is supposed to use about 30% less energy.
Posted by Xajel
Awesome, Z2 tablet battery is already good...
Any word about screen resolution ? Still 1200p ?
Posted by Away
On 2014-07-15 17:20:38, HxH wrote:
No, I don't think it kind of that embarrass, not defending them but NO ONE expect 64bit chipset in 2013
Apple's attack is shaking every chipset designer/maker landscape, the roadmap need to re-think to fight back.
I think Qualcomm is in rush to prevent loss, they have no time for specially design own architecture.
Qualcomm plan to play standard A53-line in affordable with MediaTek
they didn't plan to fight with Apple 64bit on high-end turf, which clearly that the guard was down.
LOL
Explain why the s801 is the flagship SOC a year on from the s800, and there hardly being any difference between the two? Qualcomm was always ahead for their integrated modem, hence I don't really count the s805, but even if I did for whatever stupid reason, what percentage improvement is that in a year? And any improvement is offset by the battery performance loss.
I've said it before and will say it again, I can't recall anyone in this space being so complacent and being caught so off-guard having been a leader in a field besides Qualcomm.
Even nvidia have a chance to catch up - and what they're bringing to the table seems pretty unique - can't wait to see a tablet version of the shield...
Posted by Gitaroo
really hope that Sony will look into developing their software side more. Keeping things almsot stock android is nice for a while now its starting to look lazy. Still waiting for multi screen support, and small apps looks like they still stucked in 2012.
Posted by vivftp
Hmm, I wonder what the chances are of Sony using that Mediatek chipset on a future Z series.
Or... Umm... Anyone know if Sony has enough cash reserves to buy Mediatek?
If a 2015 Sony phone could pull off those camera feats, I wouldn't mind waiting for it.
Posted by Ricky D
I very much duobt Qualcomm have stood still the last year and let everyone else catch up. It makes absolutely no business sense, Microsoft are the living proof. As a tech company, to stop engineering is to give up on life.
They've probably just rerouted 80-90% of their R&D to the next biggest architecture which will dominate for another 5 years or so. The result is that the inbetween chipsets (S801, 805, 810) are only minor evolutions.
Maybe expect a new chip naming scheme or a S900 series chips next year.
All the above is my speculation only
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-07-16 03:42:15, vivftp wrote:
Hmm, I wonder what the chances are of Sony using that Mediatek chipset on a future Z series.
Or... Umm... Anyone know if Sony has enough cash reserves to buy Mediatek?
If a 2015 Sony phone could pull off those camera feats, I wouldn't mind waiting for it.
I hope you don't want ur phone to emit fumes !!
And MTK is a Mtk at the end of the day. I don't think any manufacturer will use this chipset in their flagship let alone sony!
Every time samsung and nvidia have been outing so called "great revolutionary chipsets" that are meant to kill qualcomm but in the end all turn out be half baked failures emitting fumes.
Only Qualcomm provides a one stop solution that fulfills all needs a manufacturer wants!
Posted by HxH
Qualcomm reduce price in lower-end chipset
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]s-MediaTek-not-worried_id58099
and yesterday answer from MediaTek that proof show no worried to the competition.
Only concern of Mediatek chipset is driver supports for newer Android build in long run.
Anyway in I/O 2014 day, Google announced partnership with MediaTek to built Google One below $100 smartphone.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-07-16 05:29:12, AbhiD999 wrote:
On 2014-07-16 03:42:15, vivftp wrote:
Hmm, I wonder what the chances are of Sony using that Mediatek chipset on a future Z series.
Or... Umm... Anyone know if Sony has enough cash reserves to buy Mediatek?
If a 2015 Sony phone could pull off those camera feats, I wouldn't mind waiting for it.
I hope you don't want ur phone to emit fumes !!
And MTK is a Mtk at the end of the day. I don't think any manufacturer will use this chipset in their flagship let alone sony!
Every time samsung and nvidia have been outing so called "great revolutionary chipsets" that are meant to kill qualcomm but in the end all turn out be half baked failures emitting fumes.
Only Qualcomm provides a one stop solution that fulfills all needs a manufacturer wants!
I imagine this ^ was the sort of ignorance that many manufacturers had including Nokia when they heard Apple was making a phone in 2007.
The fact that some OEMs have already begun using MediaTek in their low end is a cause for concern for Qualcomm, whether or not Samsung and NVidia manged to beat them or not that is THE PAST, you should worry about the future especially if a competitor has near to unlimited resources. I'm pretty sure many OEMs as we speak are actively looking at other chip vendors as what many feared WRT depending on one vendor came true this year, Samsung are looking to put more Exynos in their phones, LG are developing their own chip, you have MediaTek slowly climbing up, so in the long run Qualcomm needs to ensure that they have customers, as if they lose their large orders from Samsung and LG in the mid to high end and lose the lower end ones to MediaTek, it will be a disaster.
MediaTek's new MT6595 octa-core processor scores as high as 47,000 on AnTuTu, has support for advanced features
PhoneArena
MediaTek are serious, I hope Qualcomm take them more seriously.
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Posted by amirprog
"Sony D6603 smartphone, possibly the Xperia Z3, seen at the FCC": http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]ria-Z3-seen-at-the-FCC_id58246
the leaked design is confirmed by fcc.
Posted by Xajel
Interesting
Also, the handset sports an infra-red transmitter, which most likely gives it universal remote control powers.
from the above mentioned link
Posted by amirprog
@Xajel
Nice, i didn't notice that.
btw, does anyone notice any fcc confirmation for the dual sim rumor?
Posted by MartenR
I think MediaTek's growth is really good especially for Sony. Now that LG, Samsung and Huawei are using their own chipset Sony and htc will be Qualccom's only major costumers. In the past one of the reasons Sony didn't use MediaTek widely was that they worried Qualcomm might not give Sony access to their latest chipset but know Qualcom will be desperate for costumers and not the other way around. Sony also can team up with MediaTek to design their own costume chipsets with Audio-MX and BIONZ integrated maybe even a better graphic processor like what they did with VITA which used PowerVR SGX543MP4+ which was a costume chipset based on SGX543MP4.
Posted by Detox
This could mean a more simultaneous US and international release for the Z3
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BTW, is the Verizon Z2 cancelled? Because if the above is true, it would be dead on arrival as if it wasn't enough already...
[ This Message was edited by: Detox on 2014-07-16 13:45 ]
Posted by DACHA
On 2014-07-16 14:30:47, Detox wrote:
This could mean a more simultaneous US and international release for the Z3
.
BTW, is the Verizon Z2 cancelled? Because if the above is true, it would be dead on arrival as if it wasn't enough already...
[ This Message was edited by: Detox on 2014-07-16 13:45 ]
Z2 for Verizon has been canceled several moths ago.
Posted by Ebato
On 2014-07-16 15:28:22, DACHA wrote:
On 2014-07-16 14:30:47, Detox wrote:
This could mean a more simultaneous US and international release for the Z3
.
BTW, is the Verizon Z2 cancelled? Because if the above is true, it would be dead on arrival as if it wasn't enough already...
[ This Message was edited by: Detox on 2014-07-16 13:45 ]
Z2 for Verizon has been canceled several moths ago.
Good. Now they can announce a Z3 and cancel it just before Z4 in March. Sony - the company of unsold stuff.
Posted by FMW300
Why is it so hard for Sony to get their handsets on US carriers? All major networks bring out Samsung's flagships asap, so why? Especially now, as Sony is more competitive than ever? Look at Z2, it is on par with, and even better than S5 in some aspects, yet no one was rushing to pick it up! Sony needs to jump thru all hoops necessary to get a foothold in the US.
Posted by smclion102
On 2014-07-17 01:31:45, FMW300 wrote:
Why is it so hard for Sony to get their handsets on US carriers? All major networks bring out Samsung's flagships asap, so why? Especially now, as Sony is more competitive than ever? Look at Z2, it is on par with, and even better than S5 in some aspects, yet no one was rushing to pick it up! Sony needs to jump thru all hoops necessary to get a foothold in the US.
Kick KAZ out hes a JOKE. Expected a lot from him but no improvement
RIP SONY
Posted by unknown13x
On 2014-07-17 01:31:45, FMW300 wrote:
Why is it so hard for Sony to get their handsets on US carriers? All major networks bring out Samsung's flagships asap, so why? Especially now, as Sony is more competitive than ever? Look at Z2, it is on par with, and even better than S5 in some aspects, yet no one was rushing to pick it up! Sony needs to jump thru all hoops necessary to get a foothold in the US.
It's a long chain of issues. Carriers only want phones that will sell. Carriers then look at Sony, and let's say they think that Sony's phone is interesting, they would let Sony know. Sony would then have to manufacture extra phones that is according to US standards (baseband, memory suited for market, etc.). This would take budget and resources. Sony then turns to their manufacturing supplier, they look at Sony and says, "look here, we can only give you this much of resource, because we gave the other parts for other suppliers (Samsung, Apple, etc.). Sony is left with nothing. Sad world Sony is living in.
Because Z2 looks good on paper, doesn't mean the brand itself caught the high wind. Due to tough competition, it's just not worth all the investment Sony has to put in to get a small footprint on US land. The only way out of Sony is to deal with carriers and say, ok, I'll give you 1,500 units, if you sell it all then great, if not, then I'll buy it back. Sony will lose money, but that's the only way I see them getting their foot in the US market.
Posted by vivftp
I guess the solution is simple... Sony needs to figure out a way to buy a cell phone carrier
Anyways, I'm hoping that since Z3 won't be a revolutionary design or have super duper mystical hardware that Sony will take this opportunity to really refine a lot of the previous complaints about the older phones. The addition of the IR blaster is an amazing first step! Here's hoping we'll see larger internal capacity options. Plus of course built-in wireless charging is top of my wishlist.
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-07-17 02:00:33, smclion102 wrote:
On 2014-07-17 01:31:45, FMW300 wrote:
Why is it so hard for Sony to get their handsets on US carriers? All major networks bring out Samsung's flagships asap, so why? Especially now, as Sony is more competitive than ever? Look at Z2, it is on par with, and even better than S5 in some aspects, yet no one was rushing to pick it up! Sony needs to jump thru all hoops necessary to get a foothold in the US.
Kick KAZ out hes a JOKE. Expected a lot from him but no improvement
RIP SONY
So tell me...who could do a better job?
Unnecessary hyperbole.
Posted by HxH
A minute of demo video 480fps 1080p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j0gCXjHuKQ
Posted by Xajel
Cool actually
I think Qualcomm can do more if they moved quickly enough for the next upgrade S810... as they're still working on it, the chip is capable of doing it I think but they need software support...
MediaTek is promoting that their solution is a pure 8xA57 cores, compared to Qualcomm's 4x4 ( 4xA53 + 4xA57 ) configuration.. and those eight A57 cores allowed them to have such speed... I doubt this is the case unless they're talking about pure software encoding for the stream...
+ the video above from the comments says the chip supports only 13MP and lower sensors, while Qualcomm's support much higher and this is how Sony is using 20.7MP camera without a problem...
Posted by RobMa
In addition to the prototype maiaramdan mentioned I know there was another Z3 prototype. It was almost identical in size to the Z2. The form factor was very similar to T but without its inconsistencies(stick out headphone jack and microSD, SIM and micro USB port) because the curves were a lot less exaggerated especially in front half. The front half (around 4mm) was made of glass and the rear half of the phone was made of aluminium. The aluminium back was longer by like 0.2mm both on top and bottom of the phone and there were small cracks there which were stereo speakers. The bottom crack also served as notification light. the power button was located on the thinnest part of the phone. The design was canceled because it was almost impossible to open and repair so any manufacturing flaw (like what happened with Z2) would have been catastrophic financially it was also very expensive to make.
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Posted by DexterMoser
@Xajel:
According to the last information the MT6595 supports camera resolutions above 20 MP.
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Posted by ascariss
On 2014-07-17 09:14:02, HxH wrote:
A minute of demo video 480fps 1080p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j0gCXjHuKQ
This is actually pretty impressive and I am curious if the 13MP sensor is the one from the old Z or an upgraded new sensor design. Given the option of 20 vs 13MP at 1/2.3, I'd rather have the 13MP version than the 20MP.
Posted by DexterMoser
MediaTek vs Sony Image Processing - Same Sensor, …: http://youtu.be/qtIPvcPM8k0
Mobilegeeks has some nice videos about the launch event of the new MediaTek in China!
Reference design smartphone features 20MP with 1080p 480fps mode.
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Posted by itsjustJOH
@RobMa And how do you know about this other prototype?
Posted by ascariss
Comparing the device to a ZL? That's like comparing last generation BMW M3 to this year's BMW M4.
They should compare it to the Z2, or Z1 at least. As for the actual set up, not sure how perfect it is, a better real world set up in a real room with a real window would have been a better choice.
I am curious how the 2K resolution vs the full HD is also making things looks different on the screens on the device, where Nicole states the mediatek has a sharper image of the 'window'.
Posted by DexterMoser
^Yeah, that's kind of dumb. It also could be the result of X reality or tge shitty display of the ZL itself.
But I think in the video she mentions that both devices use the same sensor, which makes it a fair comparison.
In the description it says the 1080p 480fps Mode is only available with the 20MP IMX220 Sony Sensor, that's nice!
Posted by ascariss
It would have to be the same 13MP sensor but from the article on mobilegeeks the sensor on the mediatek device is the 20MP one
http://www.mobilegeeks.com/me[....]-reference-design-hands-video/
The device itself actually looks pretty decent for a reference design, with what looks like a really nice 5 inch, 2560 x 1440 (2K) screen that looks visually stunning. The right side edge has dual SIM slots and a microSD slot plus micro USB, all in very visible positioning with the emphasis clearly on ease-of-access. The rear facing camera features a Sony 20.7MP sensor which, thanks to the new MediaTek platform is capable of shooting 1080p video at 480fps with Super-Slow Motion offering 1/16 slow motion playback.
So unless mediatek decided to make 2 prototypes, one sporting the 20MP and the other 13MP then that is fine, but from the article it seems there is only one prototype with the 20MP sensor and this is what we see in the video.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-07-17 13:19:31, DexterMoser wrote:
^Yeah, that's kind of dumb. It also could be the result of X reality or tge shitty display of the ZL itself.
But I think in the video she mentions that both devices use the same sensor, which makes it a fair comparison.
In the description it says the 1080p 480fps Mode is only available with the 20MP IMX220 Sony Sensor, that's nice!
I wonder if we'll see a high end Sony with that MediaTek CPU, Qualcomm better make that Snapdragon 810 damn good as MediaTek are fast becoming a major threat.
Posted by DexterMoser
Apparently there's a 13MP and a 20MP version of the Sony IMX220. Both on a 1/2.3" sensor size.
The 13MP one is rumored to be on the the new iPhone 6. See here:
http://www.macrumors.com/2014[....]ny-13-megapixel-imx220-sensor/
And the 20MP one should be on the Z3 according to Macrumors or their source.
Thus no 1/2.4" sensor for Z3?
Did I miss something or is this rumor really new?
Posted by ascariss
If the 13MP sensor is 1/2.3, it is still bigger than the one in the old ZL which I feel is 1/3.0 just like the old Z. This is about 1.5 times the surface area and can catch more light and produces better images.
I feel there was no 1/2.4 sensor being produced or developed, would make no sense to make it that much smaller than comparing a 1/2.3 and 1/2.5 sensor size, it is so miniscule that nothing would be gained by making the sensor smaller. There is 0.5 mm difference in width between 2.3 and 2.5, and this would be even smaller with 2.3 and 2.4.
1/2.3
6.17 mm x 4.55 mm, area is 28.50
1/2.5
5.76 mm x 4.29 mm, area is 24.70
There is a 1/2.45 type sensor from sony, and this is from may of last year.
http://www.dpaonthenet.net/ar[....]n-one-colour-block-camera.aspx
but at 13MP, not what would have been destined for the Z3.
As for the new 13MP sensor for apple, well who knows, wouldn't be surprised, Sony does make some of the best camera hardware and sensors but somehow screws up it's software.
Only thing which can differentiate the Z3 now is the camera and proper software, because honestly hardware wise, nothing can be improved for the time being (please no posting about 2k displays or the SD805).
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Posted by cu015170
13Mpix @ 1/2.3 makes perfect sense for the iPhone 6 ..
they said that they will be going for bigger pixels with the new device..
1/2.3 divided by 13Mpix gives you 1.9 micron pixels.. bigger than the Nokia N8's 1.75
Combined with mature jpeg processing + decent optics and we might have something to talk about
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Posted by DexterMoser
^I'm kind of afraid of the new iPhone(s). I mean if it really turns out that way the rumor say, I am really impressed!! (but I won't buy it.) Therfore Im afraid it will take too much sales from Android manufactures like Sony, and that loss will only be good for Samsung and Apple.
I wonder how those hardcore 3.5" ehm I mean 4" is the ultimate screen size Apple fans will react...
The only option for them would be the Z3 Compact!
Btw what sensor does the Z2 exactly use? It's not the IMX220, isn't it??
Posted by Felimenta97
@DexterMoser I think those 3.5~4" fans will have to stay with the 5S. Z3 Compact is rumored to have a 4.6 inch screen, and the iPhone 6, suposely 4.7 and 5.5" models.
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-07-17 23:37:30, Felimenta97 wrote:
@DexterMoser I think those 3.5~4" fans will have to stay with the 5S. Z3 Compact is rumored to have a 4.6 inch screen, and the iPhone 6, suposely 4.7 and 5.5" models.
If the Z3c is the same or close to the same dimensions as the Z1c, then it'll be smaller than the iP6 based on the prototypes I've seen.
Posted by Felimenta97
Surely. But, they still will have to forget 4 inch screens... I think we might need Super Compact models in the future. The normal model will be close to 6 inches, Compact close to 5 inches, and Super Compact on 4 inches lol
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Posted by cu015170
On 2014-07-18 02:26:30, Felimenta97 wrote:
Surely. But, they still will have to forget 4 inch screens... I think we might need Super Compact models in the future. The normal model will be close to 6 inches, Compact close to 5 inches, and Super Compact on 4 inches lol
[ This Message was edited by: Felimenta97 on 2014-07-18 01:28 ]
Its all about screen to bezel ratio.
The 4 inch screen was acceptable to a lot of people because the overall size of the device makes it easy to handle with one hand, but as we progress with thinner and thinner bezels, the screen size can be increased but the overall size of the device can be kept close to the old 4 inchers, or slightly bigger.
Everyone like bigger screens, its a matter of ergonomics.
From what I can see the iPhone 6 doesn't have very thin bezels, so I expect a rather substantial increase in size compared to the 5s
look at this
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=6077&idPhone2=5685
If they managed to keep the 6 around the same size as that LG people won't complain too much, but I doubt that they would.. the iPhone 6 will be taller and wider, unfortunately.
On 2014-07-17 22:27:31, DexterMoser wrote:
^I'm kind of afraid of the new iPhone(s). I mean if it really turns out that way the rumor say, I am really impressed!!
yeah, the 6 will be very tempting.. I think that it will really show Cupertino's vision in a very elegant way. The only thing that worries me, like I mentioned above, is the size.
Posted by XperiaCute
Kind of futuristic Xperia smartphone or what ?!
http://www.digi-wo.com/thread-20061-1-1.html
looks like concept phone for me however @latter21 is reliable source for leaking Sony smartphones
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Posted by -XYZ
Kind of looks physically impossible.
What is that enormous "lens" doing? Not only does it and the xenon flash look positively HIDEOUS, it's completely pointless and impossible cause a sensor and lens that size can't fit in a phone that thin
Posted by Gitaroo
the new eye ball sensor from sony si suppose to reduce the thickness with 1 lens system.
Posted by maiaramdan
something near what i was talking about
the whole screen is used with no bezel in sides & bottom and little bezel in top and feels as all from one one sculpture glass
Posted by nodarsixar
concept?
Posted by amirprog
Almost bezeless display is questionable in terms of actually using the device because wouldn't it cause touch by mistake ? you barely have a place to put your fingers - i'm talking about the top and bottom bezels. the back is a bit ugly - that lens size, no proportion no style and unrealistic size. the side frame look quite good.
Posted by maiaramdan
On 2014-07-18 21:17:55, amirprog wrote:
Almost bezeless display is questionable in terms of actually using the device because wouldn't it cause touch by mistake ? you barely have a place to put your fingers - i'm talking about the top and bottom bezels. the back is a bit ugly - that lens size, no proportion no style and unrealistic size. the side frame look quite good.
i was talking about the front, and the sculpture one glass body
and as far as i know those 2 items was in a production ready concept, i don't know anything about the back except it had the same 20.7 MP camera as the Z1 & Z2
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-07-18 20:54:54, maiaramdan wrote:
something near what i was talking about
the whole screen is used with no bezel in sides & bottom and little bezel in top and feels as all from one one sculpture glass
Yeeeaaahhh.....the thermal envelopes were probably what caused that to get canned (if indeed it has been cancelled).