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Posted by HxH
I personally believe this very near final design, at first glance it may look just another Z1/Z2 but carefully closer look the design again you'll see new design of full alloy round body-frame no rubber inserted aside anymore instead of flat design from previous two, also small cut on each corner what is that?

I really hope for fine metal cut but that dual front speakers could not finish something like that, just NOOOOOOOO. Z2's speakers is lot much better.

New design rumors could be this improved form of Omni Balance, not a major overhaul?
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-07-12 17:32 ]



Posted by milukugiuniu

On 2014-07-12 14:42:41, kurtdean wrote:
^ nothing new just the side bezels getting smaller and perhaps the body will be thinner


You are correct.

Posted by itsjustJOH
This is far from what I imagined of a completely new design for Z3 as what had been claimed by those with connections from inside. It kinda looks like they just added a rubber case to a Z2.


On 2014-07-12 13:51:48, amirprog wrote:
@itsjustJOH
I don't see any surprise in that size comparison considering sony's design language and the rumors. z4 may be even taller in dimensions then note 3 assuming it will most likely carry 5.5" QHD display, unless sony change their design language entirely and build fat phone with all slim bezels (top, bottom, sides) like g3.


I know the flagships are increasing in size like the Z series of Sony, but I never realized how close they are now to what many people considered two years ago as "ridiculously too big" aka the first Note.
[ This Message was edited by: itsjustJOH on 2014-07-12 17:42 ]


Posted by Ebato

On 2014-07-12 17:54:00, HxH wrote:
full alloy round body-frame no rubber inserted
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-07-12 17:32 ]


Still just the frame with two glass panels sandwiched, something apple did with... iphone 4... in 2010! Until they do full metal body like HTC or apple, it's still the same shitty thing
[ This Message was edited by: Ebato on 2014-07-12 17:54 ]


Posted by -XYZ
I would be disappointing if the rumoured "new design" was just repositioning of the front firing speakers (which may actually produce better quality sound), and making the edges rounder.
Not really a "new design" as opposed to a refinement.

Posted by HxH
when did we start to care quality from phone speaker(s), who start the sh!tty trend totally lame.

@Ebato

I may not write that clear enough, but I didn't mean full body just a full alloy frame (somehow led to think of Xperia ion's day) that no rubber inserted.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-07-12 18:31 ]


Posted by -XYZ

On 2014-07-12 19:28:11, HxH wrote:
when did we start to care quality from phone speaker(s), who start the sh!tty trend totally lame.


No more shitty than the core-counting and clock-speed counting and pixel-counting trends that seem to be floating around. A good set of speakers is another pro to add to a list.


@Ebato

I may not write that clear enough, but I didn't mean full body just a full alloy frame (somehow led to think of Xperia ion's day) that no rubber inserted.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-07-12 18:31 ]



Yes, but nobody sees that. What we have here is an aluminium frame and another glass sandwich.
Obviously a flat body maximises space-efficiency, but its not exactly what we expect when people have been claiming "completely new design".


Posted by rickrz
If this is new design, someone definitively missed the common sense of new.
I was hoping for some new, beautiful (something like maia's prototype that we saw last year) mixing NXT and Omnibalance design, I guess Sony is just following the trend doing minimal changes to the design every year, just as Apple, HTC, Samsung..

Guess I'll just save me some money and get the Z1 Compact (for those interest, is listed 350US$ today on ebay) or I'll try to sell my ZL to someone in Brazil and then buy Z1C or even the iPhone 5s

Anyway.. little bit offtopic, but I can't seem to be able to change my cellphone icon in my profile here on Esato, I've been trying since I registered, but I don't find any "save changes" icon when I change my cellphone, can please someone help me?

Posted by maiaramdan
to be honest i am so disappointed by this design and as everything is clear now about the Z3 i told those words before to randomuser but i was afraid to post them, i don't want to repeat my mistakes, but there was a real new design language make the phone appear as if it's one glass block with ZL front design

thanks God i didn't post it in the past but as everything is clear now regards the Z3, this was one of the designs

Posted by itsjustJOH
@rickrz
If the one you're talking about is the design with those trapezoidal stereo speakers with LED lighting surrounding it and a big ass camera at the back, I have to say it ain't even near beautiful. And the NXT design with those LED strips, really did not find it attractive. It's unique and that may had made it appealing, but not really beautiful. I say the Omnibalance design is their best, just got a bit boring when they started implementing it on every phone. Plus it's been more than a year anyway. I also like the Arc, Ray and the unfortunate SX.

Oh, and did you click "save preferences" at the bottom of the preferences settings page?
[ This Message was edited by: itsjustJOH on 2014-07-12 20:32 ]


Posted by rickrz
@itsjustJOH

Yes, I'm talking about those
I do have the ZL and S versions, and if I could, I would totally just upgrade my Xperia S and keep the design, although I find the Z versions (specially the Z and Z2 versions) beautiful, I think it's time to an upgrade in terms of design.I'd like to see some integration with the NXT and Omnibalance design, a little bit more worked then the SP. As far as the old models go, its the X10 that draw my attention to Sony, and I still find it beautiful, regardless the huge bezels. I had the Xperia Arc too, and everytime I looked to it, it remembered me of Elvis since the top bezel was so huge.

And there was no "save preferences" at the bottom of the preferences settings page :C

Edit: nervemind, I was going to the wrong page finally got it, thanks!
[ This Message was edited by: rickrz on 2014-07-12 20:45 ]


Posted by vivftp
I'm going to plant my flag firmly in the came who believes that device is not the Z3, but some regional variant of the Z2, or something like that.

I know I'm likely setting myself up for disappointment (well not really since I wasn't planning to get the Z3 anyways), but I suppose I was just hopeful that Sony would continue the trend of following up on feedback from consumers and do something more special than what we're seeing. While I don't personally mind larger bezels, it's one of the major gripes people have with the Z series of phones so far. Not to mention unless the phone has a great oleophobic coating, it'll be a fingerprint magnet again.

At least with the more rounded design it'll feel better in the hand. I would just hope that there'd be something MORE to the Z3 than what we've learned so far. Built-in wireless charging would be a great start to justifying the phones existance. Maybe larger internal storage capacities finally? Don't really see any sign of an IR blaster, so that's out - at least on the pictured device.

So anyone else going to join me in the NotZ3! Camp?
[ This Message was edited by: vivftp on 2014-07-13 02:40 ]


Posted by Felimenta97
@vivftp

Your theory sound good, but why would they change it at that point to be just a regional variant of the Z2? You could say Verizon, but I think there would be a big ass Verizon logo on it. Plus, we already have seen images of the possible Z2 Verizon, which is basically the same, except for the logo.

Also, the actual regional variants we have out there are the Japanese ones (they kinda don't count), Chinese (slight port location moved, plus plastic borders) and Brazillian (Digital TV (1 seg) is basically the only difference). I mean, the images we have seen show a MUCH bigger change compared to those. Why waste precious resources on that? I want a resonable explanation from Sony if that comes up as regional variant.

Again, I think it is the best theory, and the one I want to belive, because it is the least worst. Anyway, I'm not even sure why I'm complaining like that. My next phone will be an OnePlus One, and that won't change for around another 2 years, give or take. Tablet? My Tablet Z will have to stay good for another 1.5 years, at least. Maybe I just want Sony to succeed?

Anyway, let's talk about Software: Do you think Sony will apply their whole idea of what's the best over Android L or they will step back and do smaller UI modifications, and focus on added functionality, better performance and battery life?

Posted by funkadopest

On 2014-07-12 21:28:39, maiaramdan wrote:
....but there was a real new design language make the phone appear as if it's one glass block....


something like this?



Posted by Ebato
That kind of design is years away. It's like with car concepts, MB, BMW etc show you a concept at a show, and you love it, but then you see the production model and it's the same old shit that looks nothing like the original idea

Posted by -XYZ
Its still possible that the leaks are of a previous prototype or an Asian variant (denoted by an L5x ID, rather than a D6xxx). However, I'm not holding out too much hope.
The idea of a design which looks like one solid block of glass sounds extremely awesome though. Shame that it wasn't possible for the Z3. Maybe next time.


Posted by funkadopest

On 2014-07-13 19:25:25, Ebato wrote:
That kind of design is years away. It's like with car concepts, MB, BMW etc show you a concept at a show, and you love it, but then you see the production model and it's the same old shit that looks nothing like the original idea


the pic that I posted is from a Sony Bravia XBR10 here all encased in glass and that was manufactured in 2009, they've been taking cues from their TV's design before and even those past leaks from the supposed Z3 remind me the edge of a Sony HX855 here that was released in 2012 if I recall correctly
[ This Message was edited by: funkadopest on 2014-07-13 19:12 ]


Posted by Xajel
All glass design seems interesting, sadly I would not call practical unless it has some very strong protecting features, I'm not talking about tempered glass or gorilla or dragon-trail... Apple's move to Sapphire Glass seems the solution for such a design...

But I think I saw something about a patent regarding using sapphire glass in a phone...


EDIT :

NM,
Apple Reveals Radical All-Glass iPhone Design In Patent Filing (‘Fused glass device housings’)

heck, the patent says a 'device' rather than a mobile phone or mobile device.. so it could be anything from iPhone to iMac...

The patent is new, very new... only less than a week old ( 8 July 2014 )... but If Sony already made some devices with that concept before, they're in the safe side... thought Apple never sued Sony before ( they have some respect to each other + Sony has a hell of patents to sue Apple )

But if any one of these companies started the trend of a mobile device, then the other might be in a hard situation to do the same.. every body will say the second is copying the first.. even if Sony made the first actual product years ago...

I know I know, there was some rumours that Bill Gates fall in love with Sony designs that he evens tried to have Sony built Mac OS X laptops.. but Sony didn't seems to be interested at that time... if Apple will license Mac OS X or iOS to Sony, a lot of peoples will choose Sony because they're more free regarding spec. than Apple... unless Apple made very large restrictions in design and features.. but I think Apple is very very far away from licensing to any other maker... they want all the profit to them selfs
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2014-07-14 07:26 ]


Posted by Detox

On 2014-07-14 08:15:41, Xajel wrote:
I know I know, there was some rumours that Steve Jobs fall in love with Sony designs that he evens tried to have Sony built Mac OS X laptops..


Fixed that for you .

Posted by milukugiuniu
Z3 is a dual-sim device.

Posted by Gitaroo

On 2014-07-14 09:00:14, Detox wrote:

On 2014-07-14 08:15:41, Xajel wrote:
I know I know, there was some rumours that Steve Jobs fall in love with Sony designs that he evens tried to have Sony built Mac OS X laptops..


Fixed that for you .



it wasnt a rumor, it was true, because Win 7 seems to have taken off, or will at the time. Sony decided not to bet on Mac OS. To be honest, it wouldn't have changed anything for VIAO PC, most people that buy Apple stuffs only know about the brand. Sony has always been leading the industrial design which is what Steven Job admire for a the longest time. Even the iconic iphone 4 design came from someone from Sony. Here a image that was released by Apple during the lawsuits with Samsung

http://www.scriptol.com/mobile/images/sony-phone-2006.jpg

Posted by smclion102

On 2014-07-14 09:01:55, milukugiuniu wrote:
Z3 is a dual-sim device.

Will Z4 also have a dual sim variant ? Obviously its best to buy Z4 hence looking forward for Z4 dual sim?

Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia M3?




http://www.digi-wo.com/thread-19832-1-1.html

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
Enough Z3 leaks. It's now time for Z3 Compact leaks. So far 2 trusted sources have different information about screen size/resolution and RAM. 4.5" 720p 2GB vs. 4.6" 1080p 3GB. The latter specs sounds more worthy of a successor, but since we were talking about a company releasing the A2 (plastic back Z1C) almost 1 year after the Z1-f everything is possible.

Posted by milukugiuniu
The LED of Z3 has been designed differently from the leaked pictures.

Posted by MNX1024

On 2014-07-14 09:01:55, milukugiuniu wrote:
Z3 is a dual-sim device.


For real, even the international version?!?!?!


Posted by alexander87

On 2014-07-14 15:15:53, milukugiuniu wrote:
The LED of Z3 has been designed differently from the leaked pictures.

how?

and also I can't stress this ENOUGH!
any news of info on BUILT-IN wireless charging? thanks

Posted by milukugiuniu

On 2014-07-14 15:29:58, MNX1024 wrote:

On 2014-07-14 09:01:55, milukugiuniu wrote:
Z3 is a dual-sim device.


For real, even the international version?!?!?!


Yep!

Posted by MNX1024

On 2014-07-14 17:32:42, milukugiuniu wrote:

On 2014-07-14 15:29:58, MNX1024 wrote:

On 2014-07-14 09:01:55, milukugiuniu wrote:
Z3 is a dual-sim device.


For real, even the international version?!?!?!


Yep!


Now that's a good thing! Especially to frequent travelers like I. Do hope that they keep this for Z4, as I would not be purchasing the Z3. Now I'm seriously interested in what other additions they are putting into the Z3.

Posted by moogoo
Interesting information.

I was hoping my Z1 would last me at least 4 years before I upgraded considering how much I spent (i'm not made of money sadly ). it hasn't even been a year yet and there's all this information on a Z3.. crazy. I haven't really been keeping track of rumors lately but from the leaks I've seen, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of making me really consider an early upgrade. I would have liked to see a different design, but I guess they are sticking with what works. Improvements to the camera would have been welcome too, though I believe their efforts should be put more into the software side than anything.

Look forward to seeing what Z3 will offer, but so far, I'm not ready to give up my Z1 just yet.

Posted by milukugiuniu

On 2014-07-14 16:06:24, alexander87 wrote:

On 2014-07-14 15:15:53, milukugiuniu wrote:
The LED of Z3 has been designed differently from the leaked pictures.

how?

and also I can't stress this ENOUGH!
any news of info on BUILT-IN wireless charging? thanks



No idea, sorry.

Posted by ascariss
I was considering the Z3, or more so the Z3c, but so far I don't see it bringing much new things to the game, sure the camera will be slightly better but then it will not bring anything to the cpu front. I'd rather spend my money on a walkman this fall and possibly the updated QX cameras which hopefully will be updated at IFA.

Posted by nodarsixar


https://www.facebook.com/page[....]467130721436?ref_type=bookmark

Posted by JohnnyNr.5
I hope the Compact looks kinda like this, but with less bezel.

Posted by maiaramdan

On 2014-07-13 19:25:25, Ebato wrote:
That kind of design is years away. It's like with car concepts, MB, BMW etc show you a concept at a show, and you love it, but then you see the production model and it's the same old shit that looks nothing like the original idea


it was not a concept, it is still in R&D and honestly if SONY made it just as a concept why they didn't show it

@Xajel

all glass was in work from 2013 not even this year, and all the previous year was researching about the heat dissipation and the latest thing that was supposed to be as Z3 is if you see the phone from the front the left side was as a notification date & clock screen, the right side have all the switches, the top for the 3.5mm audio, there is 2 speakers on the far top and far bottom and a small strip at the bottom for the notification (colourful), the bottom is approximately bezel less just for the notification light and the speaker the top bezel have a 3MP camera and the speaker and this strange soft flash that we have in C3 and no bezel in the side, about the Camera on the back was the same sensor as Z2/Z1

don't know anything about the RAM & PROCESSOR but so far the same also
this was the latest info i have before i got shocked by this real Z3

someone kidding me
SONY really just ENGINEERING R&D company
nothing more

Posted by -XYZ
Glass has poor thermal conductivity so that may be why they didn't go for the glass block design. Probably exceeded the thermal envelope and they had to can it. Not surprising really. Metal is far better for that kind of thing.

Posted by maiaramdan
@XYZ
Maybe you are right regard this
but the info i have is that they already overcome this by coating all the hardware and make the lanyard place working also as a relief valve something like this

and another thing, honestly why they keep have different beautiful designs and just produce the least beauty among them, is it hard to have this design but with Aluminium back as htc for example but with keeping this same exact front, or at least if they already did the zero side bezels in the lap and in near production device why we don't have this in production

a lot of questions may asked from the Z3 R&D story

Posted by Ricky D

On 2014-07-14 16:06:24, alexander87 wrote:

On 2014-07-14 15:15:53, milukugiuniu wrote:
The LED of Z3 has been designed differently from the leaked pictures.

how?

and also I can't stress this ENOUGH!
any news of info on BUILT-IN wireless charging? thanks


In China Sony advertise the dock as 'wireless charging' ever since the original Xperia Z...

Posted by Ricky D
@maiaramdan which of their R&D centres does all this take place?

Posted by Ebato
I don't get those small cut outs on the side. Iphone/HTC needs them because of the full metal back. Sony uses the same shitty plastic-like glass for f***'s sake!

Posted by MartenR
According the render Z3's size is: 147-147.5 mm * 70-70.5 mm * 7.9-8 mm. Z2's is 146.8 * 73.3 * 8.2

Posted by amirprog
It seems that sony strategy for z all along were and still is evolving the design for at least a good few years rather then changing it completely after a year+, the the rumors were just wishful thinking and the interview with the sony designer in first half was taken out of context. i don't really see a near future with "completely new design", for example, all metal instead of glass with all bezels being ultra thin, but evolution and improvements of the current flag design. this is what happens in reality as opposed to rumors that are based on nothing. i don't even think z4 will have a completely new design as it will have enough big new features like a new snapdragon and qhd display plus more. sony is doing what the other manufacturers are doing with design. evolving. they want people that never had a sony device to buy one and they want to be recognized with it.

Posted by HxH

On 2014-07-14 17:50:32, moogoo wrote:
Interesting information.

I was hoping my Z1 would last me at least 4 years before I upgraded considering how much I spent (i'm not made of money sadly ). it hasn't even been a year yet and there's all this information on a Z3.. crazy. I haven't really been keeping track of rumors lately but from the leaks I've seen, there doesn't seem to be much in the way of making me really consider an early upgrade. I would have liked to see a different design, but I guess they are sticking with what works. Improvements to the camera would have been welcome too, though I believe their efforts should be put more into the software side than anything.

Look forward to seeing what Z3 will offer, but so far, I'm not ready to give up my Z1 just yet.



I'm still hanging on my lovely Nozomi (Xperia S), planning to upgrade on Z2 / Z3 as well.
My upgrade schedule due to every two years, which will up to this August
It's depend on final Z3 will offer but if not satisfy enough I may extend and wait for Z4 in H1'15.

Posted by Away
I call fake on this render

Posted by HxH
480fps super-slow motion from mediatek, to enable it required pairing with sony's 20.7mp sensor

http://www.androidcentral.com[....]e-processor-2k-display-support

Posted by drsoran2
It's almost to good to believe - 480fps@1080p! And Qualcoms SD810, which will be available in the beginning of 2015 only manages to achieve 120fps@1080p, that's only a quarter of it.


How is that possible? Is Qualcomm so bad or Mediatek so good?

Posted by -XYZ

On 2014-07-15 16:30:30, drsoran2 wrote:
It's almost to good to believe - 480fps@1080p! And Qualcoms SD810, which will be available in the beginning of 2015 only manages to achieve 120fps@1080p, that's only a quarter of it.


How is that possible? Is Qualcomm so bad or Mediatek so good?

No BIG.little? As in having 8 full-fat A57 cores, instead of 4xA57 and 4xA53 that Qualcomm's SD810.

That would mean that this SoC would run HOT. Particularly if the LTE modem isn't integrated into the SoC.

Posted by HxH
H.265 is your answer folks, this baby supports both playback and record work together with HPM (CorePilot).

I personally believe the modem is separated as well, but need to find more evidence to confirm later.

Posted by XperiaCute
^
Just how embarrassing Qualcomm is adopting ARM A53\A57 rather producing optimized Krait Architecture with 64bit ARM v8

I use to believe qualcomm own architecture is better than what ARM producing in battery optimization and modem integration ..

However it was big surprise for me when they goes with ARM core... Right now it seams only Apple and Nvidia were able to produce custom 64bit ARM cores..
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-07-15 16:02 ]


Posted by HxH
No, I don't think it kind of that embarrass, not defending them but NO ONE expect 64bit chipset in 2013
Apple's attack is shaking every chipset designer/maker landscape, the roadmap need to re-think to fight back.

I think Qualcomm is in rush to prevent loss, they have no time for specially design own architecture.

Qualcomm plan to play standard A53-line in affordable with MediaTek
they didn't plan to fight with Apple 64bit on high-end turf, which clearly that the guard was down.


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