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Posted by rss_ndrsn
Im still hoping to see that 5 inch White-magic FHD display with anti-reflective glass in a Sony smartphone, also Plasma Flash (dual-led flash) and Fingerprint scanner. Maybe a mid-high-end for next year. Imagine these features with Qualcom SD810, all in body of ZL2 but thinner. This kind of device would be a good buy.

I have a few questions:

1. how come Z2's cam does not have raw support? Is there any chance z3 would support it? I believe it can still be done even though Android does not natively support it.

2. Why I can not control the volume and skip tracks using my headset when playing music in Android? Could Sony implement this so I do not have to buy an app just for this purpose?


Posted by Felimenta97
To skip tracks, I think a quick double tap does the job without the need of an app.

Posted by cu015170
Unfortunately Sony's mobile division stands very little chance against the Korean crew.. I am not sure why exactly, but at this point its pretty clear.

The biggest problem is that the only differentiator b/w Sony and the rest is the hardware, and I just don't see how they can beat the Koreans on a hardware basis. When Sony went with Android it probably seemed like the best solution in the short term, but I think that it will come back and bite them in the butt.

They need to differentiate in a more meaningful way, you know.. kind of like what Apple are doing, but to do that you need your own software platform.. not someone else's that is widely available.

Samsung is, and they will continue to be "android kings" .. LG or some new Chinese OEM are the only ones that have a chance to challenge them.

The camera department is one way for them to win, but so far... nothing.. if they don't hurry up, they will end up in a very similar position to HTC, which is no Bueno. Sony Mobile are lucky that Sony Corp. is a huge corporation that can sustain it, very much like what Microsoft does with some of their business, but if they were a stand alone company they would've gone under by now..



Posted by AbhiD999

On 2014-06-07 20:24:00, vikeviki wrote:
I agree with king James,sony dont want to screw all there other business entity,,,so just be calm abhi,what he says is real truth.


I too had lot of hopes,saving all your money and just be a nice monkey,if u know value of money...


I guess Sony are inn transition mode,lets wait for 1 or 2 years,may be we get a potent new device worth for our pocket


Note: I like king James because he says the fuc*8 truth.
[ This Message was edited by: vikeviki on 2014-06-07 19:25 ]


In-transition ? Absolutely not! How more long are they going to be "in transition"?
They are already past that period.
King james says the truth ? I wouldn't accept it even if someone put a gun on my head, especially after he officially ranted on Sony's build quality and design, current superior screen and what not. That was enough to prove his bias.
There are only two legitimate reasons why Sony isn't selling -
1. Availability issues with every single phone out there. Zero presence in USA and China. Plus these crappy delays like Z2.
2. Absolutely Poor Marketing!
[ This Message was edited by: AbhiD999 on 2014-06-08 07:22 ]


Posted by Wintermute
Actually, Sony Mobile is one of the few divisions at Sony that has managed to make any money lately.

Posted by itsjustJOH
What I want for Sony to do is to ditch their software team. Seriously, it's like those guys don't even know what they're doing. And they've been failing every time, for years now. They've been trying, but they just can't seem to figure it out.

Posted by rss_ndrsn
^Agree. Sony's programmers slow their progress. I still cant understand why until now Z2 camera is not much better than the competition. Its camera has hardware to beat but still marginally or equal than Samsung S5's. If their programmers would just be able to optimize Z2 camera's hardware, it should have been hailed undoubtedly the best waterproof android smartphone in terms of photography and video. Too bad, Sony's hardwares and designs are to die for; however, Sony does not know how to take advantage of them.

Posted by Ranjith

On 2014-06-07 16:29:40, king-james wrote:

On 2014-06-07 14:07:36, Felimenta97 wrote:

On 2014-06-07 07:11:12, randomuser wrote:
They will compete in 2015 with Z4


Aaaand we've been hearing that since 2011 with how the XS will "compete and beat the sh*t out the other companies's devices...



Indeed Feli97! They just talking bullshit! Sony never can compete with competitors...

After 3 days I have given my Z2 back again. Display still behind competion, too dark, not nice colours, still no gorilla glass!!!... Camera just average, 8MP mode good, upper shit. Build Quality in the frames very bad hard plastic and gaps open. Doesnt feel like really premium device. The only thing what I liked was the new headset and its sound.


Apart from the camera i dont agree with you. I mean at least i find the fit and finish among the best out there along with HTC and NOKIA.Camera ..yes eventhouigh i don't care coz i strictly only use it for Whatsapp/FB and not for print or anything ,i agree its a bit bad for the kind of hardware they have put into it. SONY has screwed the SW side for the camera.
and screen,again its pretty brilliant,yes a bump in brightness is needed though.

Posted by winnerzero
i know its OT, but does anyone know if there are going to be successors for the QX10 and QX100?... i personally think these would help the mobile side of things, if even just slightly...release a great successor to these cameras, make it work brilliantly with the next xperia flagship n im sold...

i honestly don't consider my phone a camera, i mean, its great for on the spot photography and casual photos but seriously, buy a camera if u want good photos. period.

Posted by king-james
@AbhiD999 & -XYZ

LG and Samsung Plastic yes, but LG use better plastic, higher quality than Samsung. But however, what I want to say is that both manufactures let feel the build material good. I mean the device is complete perfect building. Not only back and front. All arround! When I compare my G2 with Z2, Z2 front+back glass and sides aluminium I KNOW! But it lacks in the side corners/edges... They are not perfect done! Of course I know that the sides are aluminium, but not all, just in the middle. Arround the aluminium is plastic!! And this plastic comes even out. There are gaps between the bezels and frames! Why I should lie? On my G2 you see nothing! All perfect, with gorilla glass till the corners! No gaps! NOTHING!!! The best Sony device with really premium feel is the one and only Z Ultra!!

Believe what you want guys! I just say the truth... If you don't believe me, please just go and buy this phones and feel the difference and open your eyez! I'm not a Sony hater or something like that. I just like Sony since I'm a kid, I wanna see Sony on 1st rank, but they can't. I buy almost every new device, but I get always dissapointed again and again...when I see the competition do this or this better... I tell you it's a big pain. I have also made a german Sony forum 1 year ago, but unfortunately it's not working well. People here in Germany mostly buy Samsung, Apple and HTC...

If you want we can discuss allday.

@Ranjith
The camera of Z2 is good, but not the best on the market! The 20,7MP are unnecessary...

@ViVi
Thx Bro! I'm sure that some people here know what I'm talking. I appreciate that.
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2014-06-08 14:47 ]


Posted by DexterMoser

On 2014-06-08 08:48:13, Ranjith wrote:
... among the best out there along with HTC and NOKIA.Camera...

EEEHHHMMM NO!
Nokia yes, without a doubt.
But HTC? More like the worst (at least their 4MP ones).


@king-james:
German Sony Fanclub? I'm you're guy!!
[ This Message was edited by: DexterMoser on 2014-06-08 15:14 ]


Posted by HxH
Duo Camera is totally 2014 worst of all pathetic gimmick, is something that all I would say.
That's why they jump into 13Mpx bandwagon in recent model releases (One mini 2, and E8)

You have see the camera teardown both software and hardware
(I would love to give you couple links but I lost all my bookmark few week back).

Posted by Ricky D

On 2014-06-08 07:53:08, AbhiD999 wrote:

In-transition ? Absolutely not! How more long are they going to be "in transition"?
They are already past that period.
King james says the truth ? I wouldn't accept it even if someone put a gun on my head, especially after he officially ranted on Sony's build quality and design, current superior screen and what not. That was enough to prove his bias.
There are only two legitimate reasons why Sony isn't selling -
1. Availability issues with every single phone out there. Zero presence in USA and China. Plus these crappy delays like Z2.
2. Absolutely Poor Marketing!
[ This Message was edited by: AbhiD999 on 2014-06-08 07:22 ]



King James has actually owned most if not all of the top-end handsets from most of the major manufacturers inc. Sony. I think he is in a better position to comment than most here. He really wants Sony to succeed and wants to enjoy their products but has fallen in with a few bad units due to early adopter syndrome.

Sony has a great presence here in China, they have numerous China only handsets and their main R&D outside Japan is in Beijing (I drive past it regularly as it is only up the road from me). When I ride the Subway here I see Sonys everywhere. I even saw a T2 Ultra in the wild the other day. They are also not afraid to have floor to ceiling edge to edge poster advertising throughout entire subway stations (hundreds of metres of wall covered), their advertising and presence in China should not be used as an excuse.

Posted by RandomCarpet
The problem of the Z1 / Z2 camera is not its software, neither is the 20.7 MPix sensor.
The biggest problem is the cheap low quality plastic "G" lens in front of the sensor.

I don't know what's the reason they are still doing this? Is it to reduce costs or to prevent cannibalization of their compact cameras, or both?

The reason Apple and Samsung can have better picture quality from the same Sony sensors is not because their camera software is better. Samsung and especially Apple are simply coupling the sensor with higher quality lenses. That is the reason!

Stop blaming Sony's software team for this. Saying they are incompetent and don't know what they are doing is as far from the truth as it can get. It is quite the opposite actually.

Posted by itsjustJOH

On 2014-06-08 17:37:39, RandomCarpet wrote:
The problem of the Z1 / Z2 camera is not its software, neither is the 20.7 MPix sensor.
The biggest problem is the cheap low quality plastic "G" lens in front of the sensor.

I don't know what's the reason they are still doing this? Is it to reduce costs or to prevent cannibalization of their compact cameras, or both?

The reason Apple and Samsung can have better picture quality from the same Sony sensors is not because their camera software is better. Samsung and especially Apple are simply coupling the sensor with higher quality lenses. That is the reason!

Stop blaming Sony's software team for this. Saying they are incompetent and don't know what they are doing is as far from the truth as it can get. It is quite the opposite actually.


The lens may be part of the problem, but so is the software. Remember the Z, no G Lens.

Posted by JoJotaro
@itsjustJOH The Z hand worse lens than the G lens the Z1/Z2 have.

Posted by -XYZ
Might be a physics issue. It gets progressively harder to get a lens to be sharp from corner to corner at a wide aperture of f2, when you increase the sensor size. Obviously the Z1/2's sensor is far larger than all other smartphones (except for the 1020 and 808) and its also of uniform thickness (only 8.3mm) without a camera bulge, which may explain the corner softness. Packing a 5-6 element lens in a space that small, for a sensor that big, is an amazing feat of engineering.
Might be why they're switching to a 1/2.4 and a slightly different design which may accommodate for the camera bulge, for the Z3, get better all around sharpness.

Also, I'm pretty sure all smartphones use plastic lens elements (heck a lot of DSLR lenses use plastic elements).

Posted by Xajel
We have a famous saying : Man does not attain all his heart's desires for the winds do not blow as the vessels wish...

I hoped to get the Z2 but it seems I might not get it, it might be Z3 or might be Z4 I don't know exactly...

Any way, I have the new Sony Bravia 60W850B TV sitting in my apartment at the moment

Sadly it doesn't like my S4 and I can't play WiFiDirect contents or screen mirror them

Posted by HxH
I'm not sure why Lund's software team receive such a harsh criticism, Xperia Android software often reserves for praises on it simple look and user friendliness design also they keep continue improvement on certain features to enhance overall user experiences especially Xperia camera apps (NO! don't confuse with software optimization). I think they doing well lately. Overall, stability is fine, of course, some bugs to concern as well (Google Play Services is Google's fault), but everyone in software-sphere has it own problems, iOS has it, Samsung has it even Windows or Mac, say everyone. I don't understand what to complain in angrily fashion.

On software optimization is other way round, very hard, high cost, spend lot of time and man-powers to do so. See how mobile industry is progresses in extremely fast pace shuffle in six months maybe little lower to keep competitive with other, I wonder that how much software team need to hires to do fully optimization for every single device, I told you it's near impossible.

I agree at some point the Exmor RS 20.7 MP should do better as it advertise try persuade us, but improvement on Z2 is nicely done enough, remember that Xperia Z's camera for example it's take more than 6 firmwares to become fine shooter and say this September we will have new camera hardware, cry and complain will be there all and over again?

We always have to sacrifice on something, features or optimization, even iOS is become less stability since iOS 6 to sacrifice on every single new features it get.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-06-09 13:31 ]


Posted by amirprog
Any possibility that the next Z devices will adopt anti reflective coating? this is very impressive from corning (watch the video): http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]-holds-for-smartphones_id56986
this would improve sunlight legibility without needing to increase brightness much resulting in preserving more battery life.

Posted by josephnero
@HxH
although some complains are legit most people just like to complain about everything.a friend of mine just bought Z2 and he had a verizon galaxy note3 before that.he swears that he hates AMOLED now.he wont be going back to Sammy that's for sure.I'm going to get Z2 in 2 or 3 months.Gsm nation has it in stock for 690 unlocked but i'm waiting for a bit of price drop
PS:i hardly trust most reviews.mostly anandtech only for me but i was reading android magazine UK and they put Z2cam in first place followed by M8.also Z2 was chosen as the overall best flagship
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2014-06-09 16:12 ]


Posted by cu015170
How big is the android software team ? Most of the heavy lifting, the actual OS and the main services (play, gmail, etc.) are all supported by Google... Is the Sony team responsible for the launcher/skin on top of Android and some of the apps that come with Sony phones ?


On 2014-06-08 22:58:22, -XYZ wrote:
Might be a physics issue.


Of course it is.. with the current sensor technology we are using IQ is directly related to size of sensor and optics respectively. There are some things they can do to improve IQ, but if you are looking for any meaningful improvements you need bigger components.

Posted by HxH
Yes, with respect it shouldn't be that big with covering on basic task include inside lab test as per you mention but to squeeze out every ounce from software optimization is different thing in my comment.

Posted by DexterMoser

On 2014-06-09 18:08:28, cu015170 wrote:
.. with the current sensor technology we are using IQ is directly related to size of sensor and optics respectively. There are some things they can do to improve IQ, but if you are looking for any meaningful improvements you need bigger components.

Isn't the Note 4 supposed to be equipped with a 20MP camera?
At least it would be interesting to see what a Samsung phone can do with the sensor from Z1/Z2.

But I have trust in Sony, somehow they're the only manufacturer left now with might concentrate on the camera. Nokia is out I guess (now under Microsoft, they will be going more mainstream I guess, though I'd love to see a Lumia 1040!!).

Posted by -XYZ
Samsung are probably going to use their own sensor. Might use Sony's 1/2.3 sensor, but they might not.

Posted by vivftp
Every year I watch E3 hoping for Sony to announce a Playstation phone... but afraid it still hasn't shown up

One day... one day...


Posted by smclion102

On 2014-06-10 05:52:12, vivftp wrote:
Every year I watch E3 hoping for Sony to announce a Playstation phone... but afraid it still hasn't shown up

One day... one day...

VITA only has lot of issue with few titles and you expecting PSphone not goona happen.Only if sony had billions in their pocket.

Posted by Xajel

On 2014-06-10 05:52:12, vivftp wrote:
Every year I watch E3 hoping for Sony to announce a Playstation phone... but afraid it still hasn't shown up

One day... one day...


PS phone was a fail for several reasons, while a lot will love the concept, but the bulkiness and the small battery limits it.. I mean not every one hold his VITA every time... also having a semi closed environment for games is bad for a starting concept, the PS Phone wasn't that much of a great or different than other Android phones to require special development for the phone ( PS Mobile )...

I feel that a better concept will be designing an accessory for the high-end smartphone, the accessory is actually a cover with built in game controllers and battery, they can have two versions, one basic version which uses standard buttons in the gamepad, while the premium version will use the same buttons and controls in the VITA and also have a larger battery...

The gamepad now is standard for Android, every Android smartphone can support it and most games support it as well, there should be no special treatment for PS Phone from the developers...

Of course Sony can differentiate them selfs by adding more features, but these should be optional for developers.. such features can be just adding to the PS Mobile store or some other features like cloud gaming or sync...

This will have multiple advantages...
1- The device will be one, no need for several SKU's that will make R&D and updates takes longer.
2- The device accessory will be optional and can be removed and installed when needed, a lot of peoples doesn't want to have bulkiness everywhere and every time with them.
3- Games are already there, there's a lot of games that already support Gamepads, so the users will not have to wait for anything to come...
4- Increased battery life with the embedded battery in the controller as gaming needs a lot of juice and most will welcome the additional battery life, heck even some casual players will buy the accessory for the battery mainly and the controller will be a plus for them !!
5- Two controllers SKU's will satisfy both casual players and maniac players, as the standard will be affordable and the second will be more premium and pro than all controllers in the market...

Such a concept will affect PS VITA sales, which we already hearing Sony is reconsidering it for the already low sales in the awake of Smartphone gaming...


Posted by kurtdean
I hope SONY sticks with 1080p screen and will not go 1440p like the g3. 1440p has no benefit over 1080p because the contrast ratio of 1440p is lower than 1080p. Moreover its dimmer and sucks more battery than 1080p and u can't tell the difference in sharpness between 1080 and 1440p.

Posted by itsjustJOH
^Oh not this again...

Posted by king-james
BTW Xperia Z2a announced in Taiwan; launches July 2014



http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]-in-taiwan-launches-july-2014/

Posted by kurtdean
@justjoh
See gsmarena and phone arena review of the screen and then tell me what's the benefit of qhd. I post this thing with a reason
[ This Message was edited by: kurtdean on 2014-06-10 12:18 ]


Posted by itsjustJOH

On 2014-06-10 13:16:49, kurtdean wrote:
@justjoh
See gsmarena and phone arena review of the screen and then tell me what's the benefit of qhd. I post this thing with a reason
[ This Message was edited by: kurtdean on 2014-06-10 12:18 ]



Now I won't want a lengthy argument, but I would just like to reply.

GSMArena's gripes about the G3's display are the brightness and reflectivity. PA says the brightness (sunlight legibility suffers) and oversaturation. The problem with the brightness may be panel-specific, screen lottery perhaps. Another thing is that LG might have chosen the panel so that it would consume less power since they only managed to fit a 3000 mAh battery, which could be because they wanted to fit too much inside a really compact phone to satisfy their obsession with bezel-less phones (and that's probably why the camera sensor used is smallest compared to other flagships). Reflectivity is caused by the glass, of course, I think. And oversaturation is a problem with their calibration.

What I'm trying to say is, you can't judge QHD displays with just a few reviews of just one phone.

Posted by milukugiuniu

On 2014-06-10 12:43:24, kurtdean wrote:
I hope SONY sticks with 1080p screen and will not go 1440p like the g3. 1440p has no benefit over 1080p because the contrast ratio of 1440p is lower than 1080p. Moreover its dimmer and sucks more battery than 1080p and u can't tell the difference in sharpness between 1080 and 1440p.


Sony listens to you.

Posted by cu015170
The same thing was said from 360p to 720p to 1080p ... same story every time

Its the only way to sell phones these days.. you need to pack in the best possible specs, otherwise you don't stand a chance. Personally, I blame android for all of this nonsense.

After watching this very informative talk which touched on the issue

a little bit after the 9min mark

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/2-535

It looks like you go past the point of diminishing returns past 300ppi. Anything bellow that could hamper readability/contrast, but overall.. there is only so much you can do.



I went to the store and looked at some 4K TV, Sony in particular, and it makes perfect sense on those big screens.. I haven't done the math but a 50 inch screen at 4K is probably around the 300 mark and it looks nice and smooth. I always felt that 1080p still looked kind of shitty to be honest.

By the way, 4K is precisely 8.3Mpix .. the exact 3840x2160 resolution in which the 808 records 8Mpix photos, so when you project one of those on a 4k TV is exactly 1:1 ratio

But at 4-5 inches .. I am not sure if we even needed to go over 720p to be honest, and especially not over 1080p, but we will anyway because of what I said earlier..

top specs = sales

bless Apple for bringing some sanity into all of this.

Posted by jonfensu

On 2014-06-11 01:13:01, cu015170 wrote:
-----
bless Apple for bringing some sanity into all of this.


But they started it with the Retina thing and blabla , then, the other manufactures followed them

Posted by cu015170
True to a certain extend, but it was exactly that.. 300ppi+ and they ran away with the retina marketing campaign

iPhone 4 was 330ppi, iPhone 5 was 326ppi. I don't know where they MacBook retina displays are, but I bet they are around 300 ? They will probably go 1080p for the iPhone 6 due to increase in size..

All I am saying is that they are proving that you can sell millions of phones without having pointless specs such as the LG G3 for example, and many other for that matter. There is no software that can take advantage of it all, and here we are complaining that the Z3 won't have Snap 80005 and a 8k display., while no one is asking, why ?

Granted, the snap 805 is really great for imaging/sound since it has a very potent DSP, and it also has a better GPU which could have some practical applications in the 3D gaming, but other than that...

The screen res war is just silly tho... they should be working on sunlight legibility, strength, weight, and other more practical R&D.. the resolution is good enough at 300+ ppi

I am not saying that what they are doing is bad, its actually amazing, but I just don't see it being a useful end user feature.
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-06-11 02:48 ]


Posted by randomuser
@cu015170

A 65 inch 4K set has 68PPI

MacBook Pro Retina 15 has 220 PPI , 13 inch has 227 PPI

Posted by cu015170
^ thank you! To lazy to do the math..

So with the TVs distance plays a big role I guess because the 50inch Sony Bravia 4k I saw the other day looked flawless from about 6 meters.. ~70ppi is still very low, but then again I wasn't looking at text, just 4k video footage captured by those new pro 4k Sony cameras.

The macbooks are kind of low I guess but they still look pretty good from a "normal" laptop usage viewing distance..

The point is, 500ppi on a 5 inch screen is an overkill.. I will have to see in person, but I really doubt that you will be able to tell the difference b/w 350ppi and 500ppi on that same size screen.. but I might be wrong.

I would love to see these 3 side by side, but there is nowhere I can do that here in the US

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_t2_ultra-5965.php

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=5760&idPhone2=6294
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2014-06-11 06:03 ]


Posted by chunkybeats
I'm saving for a Sony TV, i have a Sony blu ray surround system and its awesome. Especially with one touch sharing, i can't wait to use one touch video sharing on the new TV! Hardcore gaming with compliments of using a PS3 controller with my Xperia Z!

Posted by josephnero
Pansonic has a 360inch 4K Tv.imagine that

Posted by HxH
Samsung, LG to produce QD's screen later this year

http://www.androidauthority.c[....]g-quantum-dot-displays-391966/


Sony would have another tough challenge....

Posted by kurtdean
^
Sony already Qd tech on xperia z2


Posted by itsjustJOH
Sony has not mentioned QD when talking about Triluminos on their mobile phones, unlike how they explain it on their Bravias.

This is from Z2's features page:

TRILUMINOS™ technology uses LEDs, which emit purer reds and greens, creating a brighter and more uniform light that captures the true colours of the source. From lush landscapes, to natural skin tones – Sony delivers a significantly wider colour range. So you can view every moment in astonishingly authentic colour and breathtaking quality.

Live Colour LED is a brand new technology integrated only into Sony devices, giving you the world’s deepest and most intense colours on a smartphone or tablet display. This new innovation combines red and green phosphor with blue LEDs and customised colour filters to produce a brighter and more uniform light. Capturing true colours without the risk of oversaturation.

[ This Message was edited by: itsjustJOH on 2014-06-11 18:00 ]


Posted by -XYZ
Interesting news.
Sony are apparently making a 16MPx CMOS image see sensor, called IMX240 for Samsung's G Note 4. No info published about the sensor, but I'm going to predict a 1/2.5 or 1/2.6 sensor with 1.12 micron pixels.
Probably Exmor RS type.

Posted by RandomCarpet

On 2014-06-11 01:13:01, cu015170 wrote:
The same thing was said from 360p to 720p to 1080p ... same story every time

Its the only way to sell phones these days.. you need to pack in the best possible specs, otherwise you don't stand a chance. Personally, I blame android for all of this nonsense.

After watching this very informative talk which touched on the issue

a little bit after the 9min mark

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2014/2-535

It looks like you go past the point of diminishing returns past 300ppi. Anything bellow that could hamper readability/contrast, but overall.. there is only so much you can do.



I went to the store and looked at some 4K TV, Sony in particular, and it makes perfect sense on those big screens.. I haven't done the math but a 50 inch screen at 4K is probably around the 300 mark and it looks nice and smooth. I always felt that 1080p still looked kind of shitty to be honest.

By the way, 4K is precisely 8.3Mpix .. the exact 3840x2160 resolution in which the 808 records 8Mpix photos, so when you project one of those on a 4k TV is exactly 1:1 ratio

But at 4-5 inches .. I am not sure if we even needed to go over 720p to be honest, and especially not over 1080p, but we will anyway because of what I said earlier..

top specs = sales

bless Apple for bringing some sanity into all of this.


Very good post! That is the message I was trying to convey for some time, but most people here believe that more always means better, no matter what, and Android OEMs are forced to follow that mentality as well

Posted by FMW300
Sony shipped 250,000 smartwatches in 2013 & has a 7% share in the smartwatch market!

Posted by ascariss
http://www.sonyalpharumors.co[....]urved-sensor-made-for-the-rx2/

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech[....]mos-sensors-that-mimic-the-eye

I know this isn't mobile related, but it does mention 11mm mobile sensor. I wonder what the chances of this tech hitting the Z4?

Posted by AbhiD999

On 2014-06-13 11:44:12, ascariss wrote:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.co[....]urved-sensor-made-for-the-rx2/

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech[....]mos-sensors-that-mimic-the-eye

I know this isn't mobile related, but it does mention 11mm mobile sensor. I wonder what the chances of this tech hitting the Z4?

I would bet on Z5 ! It's not easy to commence production of these Completely new sensors so early.
But whatever could be the case, photography is gonna seriously improve in Future!
Sony just rocks at Innovating!!!

Posted by cu015170

On 2014-06-13 19:30:43, AbhiD999 wrote:

On 2014-06-13 11:44:12, ascariss wrote:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.co[....]urved-sensor-made-for-the-rx2/

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech[....]mos-sensors-that-mimic-the-eye

I know this isn't mobile related, but it does mention 11mm mobile sensor. I wonder what the chances of this tech hitting the Z4?

I would bet on Z5 ! It's not easy to commence production of these Completely new sensors so early.
But whatever could be the case, photography is gonna seriously improve in Future!
Sony just rocks at Innovating!!!


They've curved the sensor the capture more light at the corners ? That's awesome.

An 11mm diagonal will give is a sensor very similar to the one used in the 1020, which is 8mm X 6mm

The 808's has one with 15mm diagonal


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