Posted by amirprog
I put my money on:
CES: Tablet Z1
MWC: Z2 (with recent rumored specs, 5.2 inch IPS LCD from Sharp or LG, etc)
July, own show (same as Z Ultra announcement time): Z2 Ultra (with JDI 6.2 inch display)
IFA: Z3 (with 64 bit, JDI WRBG OLED 5.2 inch)
and let's not forget the mini version, same announcement time as this year, first in japan, then international.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-11-04 10:35 ]
Posted by goldenface
^ That's probably how I'd imagine it to be, along with a few other surprise announcements. I think they should broaden their tablet range and introduce smaller versions of the Xperia tablet.
Posted by itsjustJOH
They need to produce a 7" and an 8" tablet that would compete with the price of the iPad mini or even the Nexus tablets. The Tablet Z was nicely specced but the price is too high for a tablet. Face it, tablets are never meant to compete with laptops. The Tablet Z is priced the same as some mid-range laptops, so why spend money on something less capable unless you have the luxury.
Posted by -XYZ
Simply can't compete with the Nexus 7 on a price front. Not a chance. May as well stick to the larger, high-margin side of the tablet sector.
Posted by amirprog
@itsjustJOH
Agreed on the screen size. i think that such device will fit for CES announcement.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-11-04 15:22 ]
Posted by kewsvnet
so has anyone got any idea regarding international Z1f / Honami mini???
Posted by goldenface
On 2013-11-04 13:19:21, itsjustJOH wrote:
The Tablet Z is priced the same as some mid-range laptops, so why spend money on something less capable unless you have the luxury.
Portability is a big factor.
Are there any laptops as light and thin as the Tablet Z with a similar sized screen and battery life? I doubt it.
As for the price, well it's a luxury item but I've seen it on Google Shopping for £340 for the cheapest version. Making it not much more expensive than a good mid-range mobile phone.
If, there is a Tablet Z1 then this would be even thinner and lighter.
Posted by itsjustJOH
@XYZ Well, they're not going anywhere with their premium priced tablets. We all know the Nexii's prices are subsidized by Google, but only on some region. Here, where it's not subsidized, the current Nexus 7 is around 300-350 USD which is a little below the last gen iPad mini. For a well-specced tablet and compared to less capable budget tablets like Samsung's, it's very competitively priced. But I doubt Sony could do that right now, considering their current status.
As for their new flagship not being announced on CES, I guess they are waiting for the new gen Snapdragons just like what Samsung and HTC did this year.
Posted by -XYZ
In that case, they need to make their tablets seem really desirable. And not in the standard way. It needs to be something that makes people salivate by looking at it. Y'know? Something that invokes the Sony of the past, that was king of the electronics industry, something that's irresistible.
Posted by itsjustJOH
That could be the premium one. Then, there should be a budget one, like Xperia U and P to Xperia S. That's a good example since U and P sold well, especially U. Less specced, probably cut off the water and dust resistance, dumb down the camera or no camera at all (sorry, tablet "photographers"), or a fatter body. They just need an entry to the mini tablet war.
Posted by Ricky D
I think they were hoping the Z Ultra would fill the gap to the small screen tablet department.
I think though that they realise that it doesn't really fit the bill, but then what? A 7" tablet when Z Ultra is almost 7"? I think an ~8-8.5" very slim bezel tablet would be interesting. 7" is too close to Z Ultra and not defining enough, bigger and it may as well be a full sized tablet.
I'd also like to see an 11" screen in the Tablet Z frame. Just thin the bezels a fraction, don't change any other external dimension, up the screen to 11". A clip on keyboard wouldn't go amiss either kind of like Tap 11 with android, no bulge on the back and a better keyboard/cover design would be nice.
Posted by DACHA
Sony M35ts
[ This Message was edited by: DACHA on 2013-11-05 03:17 ]
Posted by moogoo
what in the world is that ugliness?!
Posted by sami92a
On 2013-11-05 04:43:57, moogoo wrote:
what in the world is that ugliness?!
that is Xperia SP
Posted by yuunanase
Dual sim version of Xperia SP for China, announced together with the Z Ultra and C.
Posted by amirprog
I don't understand why Sony released the Z Ultra aside of making a statement to the world "we are the first company who released a 6.4 inch ultra thin phone, etc. we are different", its nice, but is that important so much? its not unique enough to have a crowd of followers. in sales, i'm sure the phone is not appealing at all for 99% of people you will ask if they think about it for a moment after the wow effect of the screen size, they will go for the note or lumia 1520 if they want a phablet or will not buy a phablet for now until there are better android options. why? most people don't carry a bag with them all the time and don't want to be dependent on it any way - inferior pocketability. even its display which is a big focus is not as good - htc one max and lumia 1520 got better display. the price is not appealing either - people will choose samsung mega if they want to save money. they make it ultra thin, but it doesn't make up for its height. strange decision. i have no doubt that they are going to use a smaller screen for it's successor. 6.2 inch if not smaller. but why not do it in the first place? are they using consumers as testers? i don't think that sony expect it to sell a lot but anyone here thinks that the Z Ultra has a chance to sell even half of what it's stronger rivals, the Note 3 and Lumia 1520 will?
another thing, Samsung and Nokia don't put inferior internals - mainly of the camera. in fact, every Note that is released got better specs then the Galaxy S has. not even including a LED flash is silly.
personally, none of the current phablets on the market are appealing to me. the 1520 comes very close but it's windwos OS i don't like.
i don't think that the Z Ultra is a good reason for not offering a mini tablet.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-11-05 11:14 ]
Posted by king-james
It was a very tough decision, I think! I agree with ya, don't understand why Sony took a 6,4" screen instead max. 6". I would prefer thicker body + better battery.
The Ultra isn't a really flagship in my eyes. It has just a big display and a good processor. But anyway, the amazing design and the perfect building quality making the device kinda special!
I would glad to see a successor, with smaller screen and REAL flagship specs. The Ultra lacks on battery, camera, led flash, internal storage and ram, stereospeakers for its size...
It hurts so much, when Sony always doing so pretty nice devices, but not perfect inside.
I had the Ultra for 2 weeks but I went back to the Samsung Mega. Now biggest favourite would be the Lumia 1520, but not with that crap windows. It has everything what I want in the Z Ultra... One Max too old cpu and too expensive. Note III normaly the best, but can't see anymore this plastic shitty plus the ugly UI and go to hell amoled!
Z1 should get a 5,5" instead making a facelift... Would be nicer to close this gap between 5" - 6,4". It's too big difference, pity...
I'm using original Z and Mega atm.
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2013-11-05 17:52 ]
Posted by amirprog
@king-james
Agreed. the Z Ultra feels like half baked. like they had to announce their kind of phablet just for the sake of announcing it. for example, the Z1 is a GREAT device, over all the best IMO, and much complete device then the Ultra, but why not make it even better? why still put overall inferior display and image processing software? sony supply ALL the leading smartphone companies with their sensors: LG, Apple, Nokia, Samsung, HTC, but all of them do better job at processing image, at least in low light condition.
also, samsung is genius in terms of designing device characteristics. they are making the samsung mega a mid range device for a reason - they know for most it won't be appealing so they put a lower price tag to it while offering other slightly smaller device but they make it a premium one. that is really smart! they lead this industry for a reason, it's not just marketing, but like you wrote, they fall at phone design and touchwiz and on top of that, i have sentiments for sony, cameras, old phones - i had W800i years ago, playstations, headsets, walkmans, tv, etc...
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-11-05 19:05 ]
Posted by Tsepz_GP
What I find interesting there King-James is that the Galaxy Mega 6.3 uses a mid end Snapdragon 400 CPU, you were prepared to drop the S800 powered Z Ultra for the S400 Mega, wasn't there a major degradation in performance when going to the Mega?
Posted by Gitaroo
On 2013-11-05 19:59:43, Tsepz_GP wrote:
What I find interesting there King-James is that the Galaxy Mega 6.3 uses a mid end Snapdragon 400 CPU, you were prepared to drop the S800 powered Z Ultra for the S400 Mega, wasn't there a major degradation in performance when going to the Mega?
Isnt the Mega still running at 720p or 768. If so it just a S3 scale up in screen size. It should run the same as S3. MASSIVE drop in performance compare to the Z Ultra. Only thing that stop me from getting the Z Ultra was the lack of LED flash honestly, having a phone/tablet like device with me that is not too big, not too small is is great. I don't even need my ipad anymore even when I at home.
Posted by king-james
@amirprog
Absolutely agree! I can't understand Sony's decisions and plans. IMO they have slept too much and have no really new innovations like years ago.
That you know, I born with Sony, grown up with Sony, still using Sony devices, but not really happy anymore. That is why, I'm using also other manufacters like Samsung for example. But in heart only Sony. Sony has such a great design like no other. I still waiting for an ulimate phone which beat all the competition... with wow effect, but can dream long... Just want see Sony back on top...
And yes, you have right with that point, that Samsung first have put a middle class 6 incher, to see how it will be in market, famous or not, just to see, does it make sense, to make a better one, then you can bring a highend device! But Sony just has thrown a "monster" and expect too much. It was not neccessary...not like this one. I hope for a Ultra II.
@Tsepz_GP
I must say Samsung devices are much faster than Sony. Believe me or not, I had many devices, you won't feel a big difference by using this two phones. Ultra and Mega both fast. In Benchmarks ofc Ultra beats Mega plus the cpu is more battery efficient, but rest, for standard using, you will say it's same. The Mega is faster than the Xperia Z and has better reaction thanks to the gorilla glass. This is also a critical point, that I still don't understand. It's time to use gorilla glass Sony! All others use it too.
@Gitaroo
720p SC-LCD. It runs faster than the S3 and Note II. And the lcd beats the amoleds easy. I'm really surprised from the just dual-core phone and overall performance. It's the best device you can get for 300 euros atm. I've payed 450euros 4 months ago.
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2013-11-05 23:54 ]
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2013-11-06 00:39:34, king-james wrote:
@amirprog
Absolutely agree! I can't understand Sony's decisions and plans. IMO they have slept too much and have no really new innovations like years ago.
That you know, I born with Sony, grown up with Sony, still using Sony devices, but not really happy anymore. That is why, I'm using also other manufacters like Samsung for example. But in heart only Sony. Sony has such a great design like no other. I still waiting for an ulimate phone which beat all the competition... with wow effect, but can dream long... Just want see Sony back on top...
And yes, you have right with that point, that Samsung first have put a middle class 6 incher, to see how it will be in market, famous or not, just to see, does it make sense, to make a better one, then you can bring a highend device! But Sony just has thrown a "monster" and expect too much. It was not neccessary...not like this one. I hope for a Ultra II.
@Tsepz_GP
I must say Samsung devices are much faster than Sony. Believe me or not, I had many devices, you won't feel a big difference by using this two phones. Ultra and Mega both fast. In Benchmarks ofc Ultra beats Mega plus the cpu is more battery efficient, but rest, for standard using, you will say it's same. The Mega is faster than the Xperia Z and has better reaction thanks to the gorilla glass. This is also a critical point, that I still don't understand. It's time to use gorilla glass Sony! All others use it too.
@Gitaroo
720p SC-LCD. It runs faster than the S3 and Note II. And the lcd beats the amoleds easy. I'm really surprised from the just dual-core phone and overall performance. It's the best device you can get for 300 euros atm. I've payed 450euros 4 months ago.
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2013-11-05 23:54 ]
Wow, that is incredible
Mega6.3 faster than the Xperia Z in real world usage, and equal to the Z Ultra, it means Samsung did an excellent job in terms of optimization.
Hopefully next year Sony will have the perfect phone for you.
Posted by smclion102
TouchWiz
Posted by nodarsixar
Posted by PowerLee
Xperia M is already on sale in the UK, here's the link.
http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/products/phones/xperia-m/
Posted by itsjustJOH
I miss nightwing. He's much more tolerable than this new guy.
Posted by king-james
@Tsepz_GP
Thanks! We'll see.
@smclion102
Why TW when you can use other launcher? I use Apex on Z and Mega.
Posted by vivftp
Hmm, apparent tablet version of the Z Ultra
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]e-a-wi-fi-only-xperia-z-ultra/
I'll be getting the Z Ultra later this month. The tablet briefly interests me, but I'd prefer the phone to the tablet. I do wonder how much this will cost.
Posted by rency0722
Samsung has already released its dragons for their future smartphones. 560ppi AMOLED displays, 64-bit Exynos chip, ISOCELL image sensor, etc.
http://www.androidauthority.c[....]mobile-technology-2014-314684/
I know Sony has the power to compete. It may be gradual, but they should unleash the beast out of themselves. They should work on to compete with their products even though it is hard for them, that's the reality that mobile phones are now the standard in electronics industry.
Sony should work on the next iteration to Exmor RS, I think they are now polishing on the regrets of having RGBW coding (note that the current one has reverted to RGB coding) so it may be on the future release of Sony sensors. To focus more on camera, they should up ante to 2/3" sensor size and better G lens optics.
Also for the BIONZ image processing engine, Sony is a reputable company when it comes to imaging, therefore, they should also deliver the ones they offer from their Cybershot line. Plus one for including oversampling tech on Z1, and looking forward to have 36 MP phones with also pixel-binning tech down to 8 or even 5 MP for clear and crisp image.
Display is also they should focus on. I know JDI can compete with today's standards in mobile displays, but they just cannot put it already due to the company's infancy since they are only put up last April 2012.
STAMINA mode should also be fixed. This is one thing we could be proud of for Sony since they have made something for the battery efficiency to last long, unlike others who delivers more on upping displays, bloaty softwares etc, harnessing the battery's efficiency.
Posted by supercoolman
On 2013-11-06 18:40:27, itsjustJOH wrote:
I miss nightwing. He's much more tolerable than this new guy.
how can you be sure they aren't related?
Posted by goldenface
They should make a 7" inch WiFi version of the Ultra. Without the gsm antennas and flash they could get it under 6mm.
Posted by sami92a
On 2013-11-07 10:55:57, goldenface wrote:
They should make a 7" inch WiFi version of the Ultra. Without the gsm antennas and flash they could get it under 6mm.
It doesn´t have a flash
Posted by amirprog
We agree that sony needs to aim for a full blown highend premium phablet like the note 3 and lumia 1520. sony, do you listen?
Posted by alexander87
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2[....]on-jelly-bean-4-3-kit-kat-4-4/
Posted by sami92a
4.4 is announced for the whole Zfamily EXCEPT ZR,
4.3 is announced for the whole Zfamily, + SP, V,T and TX
[ This Message was edited by: sami92a on 2013-11-07 16:24 ]
Posted by milukugiuniu
We finally got the official words. Great!
Posted by Gitaroo
is ZR or the A the only 2 in the Z family with 720p screen?
Posted by sami92a
On 2013-11-07 17:30:31, Gitaroo wrote:
is ZR or the A the only 2 in the Z family with 720p screen?
yes
Posted by redhotiron
On 2013-11-07 17:03:38, sami92a wrote:
4.4 is announced for the whole Zfamily EXCEPT ZR,
4.3 is announced for the whole Zfamily, + SP, V,T and TX
[ This Message was edited by: sami92a on 2013-11-07 16:24 ]
But, why not ZR
?
It have the same configuration as the other Z series. Why would Sony do that?
The screen is 720p. But, that is way beyond the minimum specification for kitkat!
Also, it have been launched not more the 3-4 months back only.
Is it because of Z1 mini that is supposed to take it's position
?
Posted by rency0722
These devices are very similar to each other, known to have 1080p full HD screens. This will be easy for them to design since all of them falls under the same XXDPI category.
I assume, again I assume, that there will be second to none with Xperia ZR, SP, and also T, TX and V to carry Android 4.4 Kitkat as they are under XDPI category.
Under Xperia L and Xperia C is HDPI category, which can also be possible, if ever but not majority of percentage, to go 4.4.
Posted by Zuckabaecka
I hope the Z1 camera app is part of the 4.3 Update for the XZ.
Posted by rency0722
On 2013-11-08 09:56:55, Zuckabaecka wrote:
I hope the Z1 camera app is part of the 4.3 Update for the XZ.
This might not happen since, ever since Z1 was unveiled, they've already told that the camera apk is exclusive to Sony Z1.
Posted by -XYZ
Wonder if the next Xperia will have OIS. They already have an awesome sensor (I kinda want it to have a slightly lower resolution for greater pixel pitch, but I'm no expert), so OIS would just make the whole package better. It would also mean no compromise in FoV for Video stabilisation.
I mean if the Nexus 5, at $350 can have OIS, then...Why can't the latest Sony flagship?
Posted by rency0722
OIS may be on the road to Sony, maybe they're just preparing for the next level of awesomeness after Z1. I think it is not good to release the next flagship with the same camera as for Z1 just added with OIS.
Posted by Gitaroo
I dont know a lot about camera but I read it on XDA that OIS isnt magic, the OIS in N5 doesn't compare to the digital stabilizing in the Z1 at all. I'll see if I can find the post again.
Posted by king-james
What Do you mean? Have the N5 here.
Posted by my ninja
On 2013-11-03 13:26:13, Xajel wrote:
@amirprog, very low chance... while almost all SoC are working on 64bit, only Samsung will have it first... and Sony doesn't use Samsung SoC..
Sony uses Qualcomm and MediaTek now... Both are working already on 64bit chips, but my guess is that MediaTek might be the first as they just use the same ARM designs which is already ready and used ( Apple is already using a modified ARM design )...
For High-ends, only Qualcomm is where you need to look.. and I can't see any info on having a 1H14 release of any 64bit SoC from Qualcomm... they will have an improved Krait platform nothing more ( from the CPU side, GPU side will go higher to 400 series ), But I don't know anything about 2H14 for Qualcomm...
When Apple announced their A7 64bit SoC as the first 64bit mobile SoC, a Qualcomm guy said it's just a gimmick and useless... but after that another respond was better as you can read between the word that Qualcomm are already working on 64bit for a future products... but that should be another arch. than Krait...
For me, 64bit SoC is just something good if you need to keep your phone for 2+ years... and believe me Apple moved to 64bit not because they need now, but because they're preparing them selfs and the developers for a future product where they will need to go higher and higher ( in RAM and performance )... they want the transition be very easy and seamless...
For Android, moving to 64bit now is for high-end devices only where some devices are targeting 3GB+ of RAM and this is because of the nature of multitasking in Android ( that's why Android needs more RAM than iOS ).. so for 2014 we actually might start needing 64bit...
Apple need it now to make the transition in the future seamless and easy for developers and gurantee the compatibility on older devices in the future. imagine iPhone 7 you might have some apps that are 64bit only, then 64bit apps only will be able to work on iPhone 5S also...
Android needs it in 2014 because we need 4GB+ in high-end phones and tablets, I guess Android will have a native side by side apps feature like Samsung phones in a future update, maybe even Android 5.0 where the UI should have a major change ( the jump in the version number between 2 to 3 to 4 always faced a major UI and API change that forced a lot of apps to be rewritten for the new UI/API, and this is will happen again with Android 5.0 jumping from Android 4.x )
And currently the multitasking nature of Android is flying and needs more RAM, how about later when it have native side by side loading of apps ? but I hope manufacturers know this and ready everything to make the transition easy and fast... We don't want our latest 2013 flagships be incompatible with Android 5.0 because they have only 2GB of RAM !! or because they're 32bit SoC...
Qualcomm has NOTHING ready (64bit wise) for 1H14 sorry. the S800 is an between the A9 and A15 its not even an A15, so like i said its a half gen behind. let alone A57/53 that samsung is jumping to (more precisely ARMv8 instruction set) and Q has nothing but market share holding them up.. which in tech is not enough.. plus their node is several generations behind 28nm. in terms of CPUs the s800 is widespread but archaic in terms of currently available tech exynos5 (5420 specifically). they have also been on record denouncing 64bit (the man making those statements has since been reassigned) however the way they announced their chipsets at the end of 12, they havent for 14 in the same way. i dont expect them to have a 14nm node ready the way samsung is skipping a whole node to catch up to apples ideas.. exynos has always been ahead of snapdragon, same with omap(rip).. if it wasnt for the perception from the first 1ghz soc, theyd be as popular as nvidia.. as for scale they have everyone beat and can supply the entire market which is impressive, but that can change quickly, their true anchor is their radio integration less the performance. their GPU choice is also a step behind.
android needs more ram than iOS because of the middle layer of the ecosystem (java/davlik runtime) it creates a HUGE performance hit, where if google JUST used their own release of linux that would alleviate a lot of the 'lag' and short comings of android.
4.4 introduced ART to replace Davlik, so that should be impressive as its the first implementation so in a few iterations it should become the default and have substantial gains, right now they are about the same.. but they still need to get out of the java business and just run a branch of linux, if they did that, android would explode performance wise.. but as of now, android is beholden to its roots.. Id love to see Android 6 like its own version of ubuntu, redhat, or centos.. something without that nagging layer hogging resources.
android needs to update from kernel 3.4.. ffs upstream is at 3.10.. its time.
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2013-11-10 09:19 ]
Posted by amirprog
so 2H 2014 device should bring more substantial changes then the 1H device. 64 bit processor, wrgb oled display, wireless charging...
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-11-10 14:19 ]
Posted by supercoolman
with all the competitors stepping up the game, we'll see how Qualcomm stand up against that. their are successful simply because they were the first one to do it and did it correctly
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2013-11-10 10:11:10, my ninja wrote:
On 2013-11-03 13:26:13, Xajel wrote:
@amirprog, very low chance... while almost all SoC are working on 64bit, only Samsung will have it first... and Sony doesn't use Samsung SoC..
Sony uses Qualcomm and MediaTek now... Both are working already on 64bit chips, but my guess is that MediaTek might be the first as they just use the same ARM designs which is already ready and used ( Apple is already using a modified ARM design )...
For High-ends, only Qualcomm is where you need to look.. and I can't see any info on having a 1H14 release of any 64bit SoC from Qualcomm... they will have an improved Krait platform nothing more ( from the CPU side, GPU side will go higher to 400 series ), But I don't know anything about 2H14 for Qualcomm...
When Apple announced their A7 64bit SoC as the first 64bit mobile SoC, a Qualcomm guy said it's just a gimmick and useless... but after that another respond was better as you can read between the word that Qualcomm are already working on 64bit for a future products... but that should be another arch. than Krait...
For me, 64bit SoC is just something good if you need to keep your phone for 2+ years... and believe me Apple moved to 64bit not because they need now, but because they're preparing them selfs and the developers for a future product where they will need to go higher and higher ( in RAM and performance )... they want the transition be very easy and seamless...
For Android, moving to 64bit now is for high-end devices only where some devices are targeting 3GB+ of RAM and this is because of the nature of multitasking in Android ( that's why Android needs more RAM than iOS ).. so for 2014 we actually might start needing 64bit...
Apple need it now to make the transition in the future seamless and easy for developers and gurantee the compatibility on older devices in the future. imagine iPhone 7 you might have some apps that are 64bit only, then 64bit apps only will be able to work on iPhone 5S also...
Android needs it in 2014 because we need 4GB+ in high-end phones and tablets, I guess Android will have a native side by side apps feature like Samsung phones in a future update, maybe even Android 5.0 where the UI should have a major change ( the jump in the version number between 2 to 3 to 4 always faced a major UI and API change that forced a lot of apps to be rewritten for the new UI/API, and this is will happen again with Android 5.0 jumping from Android 4.x )
And currently the multitasking nature of Android is flying and needs more RAM, how about later when it have native side by side loading of apps ? but I hope manufacturers know this and ready everything to make the transition easy and fast... We don't want our latest 2013 flagships be incompatible with Android 5.0 because they have only 2GB of RAM !! or because they're 32bit SoC...
Qualcomm has NOTHING ready (64bit wise) for 1H14 sorry. the S800 is an between the A9 and A15 its not even an A15, so like i said its a half gen behind. let alone A57/53 that samsung is jumping to (more precisely ARMv8 instruction set) and Q has nothing but market share holding them up.. which in tech is not enough.. plus their node is several generations behind 28nm. in terms of CPUs the s800 is widespread but archaic in terms of currently available tech exynos5 (5420 specifically). they have also been on record denouncing 64bit (the man making those statements has since been reassigned) however the way they announced their chipsets at the end of 12, they havent for 14 in the same way. i dont expect them to have a 14nm node ready the way samsung is skipping a whole node to catch up to apples ideas.. exynos has always been ahead of snapdragon, same with omap(rip).. if it wasnt for the perception from the first 1ghz soc, theyd be as popular as nvidia.. as for scale they have everyone beat and can supply the entire market which is impressive, but that can change quickly, their true anchor is their radio integration less the performance. their GPU choice is also a step behind.
android needs more ram than iOS because of the middle layer of the ecosystem (java/davlik runtime) it creates a HUGE performance hit, where if google JUST used their own release of linux that would alleviate a lot of the 'lag' and short comings of android.
4.4 introduced ART to replace Davlik, so that should be impressive as its the first implementation so in a few iterations it should become the default and have substantial gains, right now they are about the same.. but they still need to get out of the java business and just run a branch of linux, if they did that, android would explode performance wise.. but as of now, android is beholden to its roots.. Id love to see Android 6 like its own version of ubuntu, redhat, or centos.. something without that nagging layer hogging resources.
android needs to update from kernel 3.4.. ffs upstream is at 3.10.. its time.
[ This Message was edited by: my ninja on 2013-11-10 09:19 ]
Someone who finally gets it all. +1 to you.
Cheers!