Posted by alexander87
ramu went apple? wow, I think I died inside a little
Posted by mzr7
You know that it could also be that since the z3 won't have a 5.5 inch panel that is why makes sense to have 1080p
Maybe the next z ultra will have it? all the other rumours of the htc prime and s5 prime didn't they also have a 5.5 inch display at 1440p?
Either way the qhd display shouldn't be the priority for Sony this year leave it till the next, they should focus on fixing software namely the camera software z2 is pretty much spot on in terms of the hardware software lets it down at times.
Personal opinion I think Sony would be smart to keep its flagship in the 5-5.2 range beyond that is phablet territory, if this keeps going on in a few years the compact will have a display around 5inches :/
[ This Message was edited by: mzr7 on 2014-05-30 13:05 ]
Posted by amirprog
@randomuser
Agreed.
is it possible that sony can't have 5.5" QHD for Z3 is because JDI closed a deal with Apple for a very high quantity of the panels so they had to put Sony on hold until next year's flagship?
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-05-30 04:45:29, Wintermute wrote:
Not that this ends the debate or anything, but for those concerned about battery life of a 1440p display:
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]show-promising-results_id56590
I would rather not believe that article. It's from some "unknown sources" and "unknown people".
Let's wait for official reviews and battery tests and than see what happens.
Posted by alexander87
I'd dig a QHD display on the Z Ultra successor, that would make it my ultimate e-book reader lol.
As for a display size of around 5.2 - 5.5 inch, meh 1080p is cool for now, it provides a sufficient pixel density.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-05-30 11:07:21, randomuser wrote:
To be frank even 1080p is not required on a mobile device. So whether or not something is actually "required" is not the point as most of the marketing junk by companies including Sony has simply no real utility to the consumers
It's about being on par with the competition, we all know what happened with Sony ericsson when it decided to play safe and remain a generation behind the competition. Sony's sales are down to 8.8 million units now, it doesn't figure in the Top 10 global smartphone vendors list even.
In such a scenario to ditch the latest trend is anything but playing smart. The general customers are not Sony fanboys who are going to accept that 1440p is a waste and choose a 1080p Sony over 1440p Samsung and LG.
The main reason though why at this point Z3 isn't said to sport a QHD panel is lack of availability for Sony. So there is still a chance that they can come out with 1440p panel on Z3 but not a very bright chance though.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-05-30 10:07 ]
+1. Exactly.
Heck, we would've been fine with WVGA (854x480) 4inch screens even.
There's a ton of things we don't 'NEED' in our smartphones that nobody complains about, I don't get why all the hostility with QHD displays in phones, when we didn't even need HD720P, we don't even need 4K video recording on smartphones, yet here we are. It's just the way tech is moving, everything is getting better from batteries, CPUs/GPUs, Cameras, audio hardware, network speeds, software, UI etc... And its always best to try stay at the forefront, unless you have something no other manufacturer has that will be a guaranteed success.
Posted by Rockarel
I still don't understand the desire for >1080p screens in mobile. I can be reasonable and agree that it could be useful for larger phones and phablets to have it, but do you really want Sony to have a 5.5in device with Sony ergonomics? I don't. And addressing the "if you can do it, why wouldn't you do it?", maybe because it would make things worse while providing close to no gains, other than competing in the "dickswinging contest".
The qHD debate is like watching Samsung build a fast car and then replacing the round tires with square tires, and then Sony shouting "o yeah, well can do even worse!" - why not have a fast car and... Be able to utilize its increased speed?
sigh.
Posted by reeflotz
On 2014-05-30 16:10:57, Tsepz_GP wrote:
I don't get why all the hostility with QHD displays in phones.
there is a limit to how much the human eye can see, and there's already minimal sharpness difference between a 5 inch 1080p screen and a 5 inch 720p screen, guess how much more "minimal" the difference will be between a 1080p and a QHD screen on 5 inch size? that is if you will be able to tell it without you knowing which is which.
So why are some members hostile about it or do not want it? Because it's no longer a huge or decent improvement, it's just nothing but a numbers game, where we are all fooling ourselves arguing we have something better when in fact we can't see it
. That and currently it seems likely that it will be more of a negative thing affecting battery life and performance though I admit we still have yet to see.
I don't know about you, but I don't want a future where tech improvements are nothing but insignificant numbers that we can't use. Technology exists so we can benefit from it, it is not a tool for marketing or advertising.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2014-05-30 16:18 ]
Posted by MartenR
@ramu something's telling me that you already know everything about Z3 but you are playing it safe to prevent last year's mess. Could you tell us everything you know?
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-05-30 17:07:45, reeflotz wrote:
On 2014-05-30 16:10:57, Tsepz_GP wrote:
I don't get why all the hostility with QHD displays in phones.
there is a limit to how much the human eye can see, and there's already minimal sharpness difference between a 5 inch 1080p screen and a 5 inch 720p screen, guess how much more "minimal" the difference will be between a 1080p and a QHD screen on 5 inch size? that is if you will be able to tell it without you knowing which is which.
So why are some members hostile about it or do not want it? Because it's no longer a huge or decent improvement, it's just nothing but a numbers game, where we are all fooling ourselves arguing we have something better when in fact we can't see it
. That and currently it seems likely that it will be more of a negative thing affecting battery life and performance though I admit we still have yet to see.
I don't know about you, but I don't want a future where tech improvements are nothing but insignificant numbers that we can't use. Technology exists so we can benefit from it, it is not a tool for marketing or advertising.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2014-05-30 16:18 ]
We've seen HD720 and HD1080 come in and neither one had a bad effect on battery, what we've seen is panels get more refined and power efficient so what makes you think that will all suddenly change with QHD? There's far too much at stake for that to be allowed to happen.
These are the same old arguments that we saw when HD720P panels came in, and even when Apple launched the iPhone 4 with the 'Retina Screen' and all the negativity people expected was shot down as the panels were efficient.
If we want to talk about needs, and what is really necessary then an argument can be made for a lot of things in smartphones.
Posted by reeflotz
If it is efficient at QHD resolution, then it simply means it will be more efficient if it is 1080p only, which translates to better battery life, getting you more usage time on a single charge, and that is at the cost of what? pretty much almost none because I highly doubt you would still be able to pinpoint which screen is sharper like I said in my previous post.
Posted by -XYZ
I chalk the decline in sales as being caused by Sony f**cking the launch of the Z2 up completely. What with it being delayed for so long and all. If Sony don't f**k it up with the Z3 things should be OK again.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-05-30 17:07 ]
Posted by randomuser
The shipment figures are for January to March so no major impact of Z2 delay. Z2 delay impact would only be seen in Q2 numbers
Posted by itsjustJOH
Deja vu, isn't it? People arguing about how this higher res in the same screen size would have visually no difference and would be more power hungry than the lower, "acceptable" res. Then it comes out and people are amazed by how wrong they were.
We all think they are crazy for making and fitting these new yet "unreasonable, useless" tech in their new phones. If they had stayed on 720p, dual-core, 1 GB RAM, 2100 mAh phones until today and sold it at the same price as their flagships when a QHD, octa-core, 4 GB RAM, 3500 mAh phone would cost the same, now that would be really shitty. Now, if they sold it at a lower price as low as it should, MUCH MORE people would buy it and I don't think manufacturers can adapt to such demand. Plus they just left the higher price range blank. Oppo can do it because they need to gain popularity in the world market while gaining less, and because they are not as popular as the top brands, they won't need to worry about too much demand they can't handle. It's a slow, high risk process for small companies trying to grow to a bigger one. And when they get big and popular enough to battle with the top dogs, pretty sure their prices would be as high as these top companies now not just to compete fairly but balance supply and demand.
They are making these products with all these new techs because they have reason, not just marketing reasons. I'm pretty sure their engineers and R&D team know what they are doing and why.
[ This Message was edited by: itsjustJOH on 2014-05-30 17:17 ]
Posted by reeflotz
^
And that is the whole other point of the argument on why some members like me do not see the point in further increasing the screen resolution because it will introduce further costs on R&D. Money which in my opinion is better spent elsewhere rather than this decreasing benefit from increasing screen resolution.
I'm pretty sure their engineers and R&D team know what they are doing and why.
Depends, if your boss tells you to make something that will print the company money whether it is something truly beneficial or not, the engineers pretty much don't have a choice.
sad but it happens. This is why you see internal conflicts in a company, with people resigning etc. Anyway we are going too offtopic. Someone please post a rumor 
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2014-05-30 17:47 ]
Posted by MNX1024
All I'm going to do is quote Henry Ford:
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said ‘faster horses.’"
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-05-30 18:15:59, itsjustJOH wrote:
Deja vu, isn't it? People arguing about how this higher res in the same screen size would have visually no difference and would be more power hungry than the lower, "acceptable" res. Then it comes out and people are amazed by how wrong they were.
We all think they are crazy for making and fitting these new yet "unreasonable, useless" tech in their new phones. If they had stayed on 720p, dual-core, 1 GB RAM, 2100 mAh phones until today and sold it at the same price as their flagships when a QHD, octa-core, 4 GB RAM, 3500 mAh phone would cost the same, now that would be really shitty. Now, if they sold it at a lower price as low as it should, MUCH MORE people would buy it and I don't think manufacturers can adapt to such demand. Plus they just left the higher price range blank. Oppo can do it because they need to gain popularity in the world market while gaining less, and because they are not as popular as the top brands, they won't need to worry about too much demand they can't handle. It's a slow, high risk process for small companies trying to grow to a bigger one. And when they get big and popular enough to battle with the top dogs, pretty sure their prices would be as high as these top companies now not just to compete fairly but balance supply and demand.
They are making these products with all these new techs because they have reason, not just marketing reasons. I'm pretty sure their engineers and R&D team know what they are doing and why.
[ This Message was edited by: itsjustJOH on 2014-05-30 17:17 ]
What abt having a 5" screen with 4K resolution ?
Maybe even 8K resolution some yrs later!
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-05-30 17:36:10, Tsepz_GP wrote:
On 2014-05-30 17:07:45, reeflotz wrote:
On 2014-05-30 16:10:57, Tsepz_GP wrote:
I don't get why all the hostility with QHD displays in phones.
there is a limit to how much the human eye can see, and there's already minimal sharpness difference between a 5 inch 1080p screen and a 5 inch 720p screen, guess how much more "minimal" the difference will be between a 1080p and a QHD screen on 5 inch size? that is if you will be able to tell it without you knowing which is which.
So why are some members hostile about it or do not want it? Because it's no longer a huge or decent improvement, it's just nothing but a numbers game, where we are all fooling ourselves arguing we have something better when in fact we can't see it
. That and currently it seems likely that it will be more of a negative thing affecting battery life and performance though I admit we still have yet to see.
I don't know about you, but I don't want a future where tech improvements are nothing but insignificant numbers that we can't use. Technology exists so we can benefit from it, it is not a tool for marketing or advertising.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2014-05-30 16:18 ]
We've seen HD720 and HD1080 come in and neither one had a bad effect on battery, what we've seen is panels get more refined and power efficient so what makes you think that will all suddenly change with QHD? There's far too much at stake for that to be allowed to happen.
These are the same old arguments that we saw when HD720P panels came in, and even when Apple launched the iPhone 4 with the 'Retina Screen' and all the negativity people expected was shot down as the panels were efficient.
If we want to talk about needs, and what is really necessary then an argument can be made for a lot of things in smartphones.
Battery size too increased very much with every new bump in resolution.
The very 1st lot of HD and Full HD smartphones had average battery life. It took almost 2 flagship cycles by manufacturers to make these flagship phones more efficient!
Posted by itsjustJOH
@reeflotz I don't know but I think this is just the front page. I mean their R&D, most likely, are working on something bigger but because they need funding they have the lower divisions of the R&D and the engineering team improve the current products, unreasonable or unnecessary just so they can sell them to create money for the bigger researches. But of course money for the whole company, primarily for the big bosses.
On 2014-05-30 18:48:39, MNX1024 wrote:
All I'm going to do is quote Henry Ford:
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said ‘faster horses.’"
Quite sums it all up.
Posted by randomuser
Strange why we have so many posts on this issue. You all do realize sony is using a QHD panel for its 2015 flagship ? So where does that leave all these arguments against QHD displays. Point is a company in a position like Sony needs to stay on par with competition or a step ahead and not go back to the old sony Ericsson era.
And from what info i have, QHD display won't be the only thing that would be behind the competition on the Z3. It's really sad and intriguing at the same time.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-05-30 19:17:51, randomuser wrote:
Strange why we have so many posts on this issue. You all do realize sony is using a QHD panel for its 2015 flagship ? So where does that leave all these arguments against QHD displays. Point is a company in a position like Sony needs to stay on par with competition or a step ahead and not go back to the old sony Ericsson era.
And from what info i have, QHD display won't be the only thing that would be behind the competition on the Z3. It's really sad and intriguing at the same time.
There will be many Z2 users here I guess, as many of them will simply not want a QHD display phone as it will die within 10mins of use and have absolutely no benefit , at least that's what they are making it sound like.
Posted by -XYZ
@RandomUser
Could you be more specific about the Z3?
What about it is going to be worse than the competition beyond the QHD screen.
- RAM? Most seem to be settling at around 3GB.
- CPU? Sony cannot compete with Apple and cyclone, because Qualcomm has been too slow in updating its SoC after getting caught with their pants down last year. The other Android OEM's are probably going to be using SD805, and nothing more because 808 and 810 aren't ready for shipping yet.
- Camera? Sony has the largest existing sensor on the market and I doubt they'd manufacture a bigger sensor for Apple, unless they have a bigger one ready for themselves. I've always said they needed to up their game with software in terms of JPEG processing and auto-focus and capture latency, and I've always maintained they should add some form of OIS.
- Software? Well 4.4 is all there is so far. Their skin is getting heavier and heavier, with their shitty value add-ons. That stupid thing next to Google Now being a particular example but its certainly no worse than competition, with the exception of Stock android.
- Battery? Again the 3200mAh battery is still larger than the competition so far. Even if other OEM's put larger cells in, its not like Sony's battery will be lacking by comparison.
Honestly, the toughest competition for the Z3 will be the Note 4, GS5 Prime and the iPhone 6; in other words, Apple and Samsung. Frankly, due to brand recognition Sony don't stand a chance against them quite yet (I guess they're building their rep still). HTC's M8 prime is rumoured to be cancelled and so I can't really say much about it. The G3, while having a dazzling display has some odd SKU variations with the cheaper one having only 2GB RAM and the more expensive one having 3GB. Even then it only runs on SD801, which by all accounts, Sony should beat.
The biggest concern beyond the obvious, is availability. They'll be fine with the rest of the world, but the US will be the biggest challenge. I don't know enough to understand what their position is in that respect so I guess I'll wait and see.
Unless of course you know that they're experiencing similar availability issues as with the Z2, in terms of supply and manufacturing delays. Do they?
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-05-30 18:46 ]
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-05-30 18:01:01, reeflotz wrote:
If it is efficient at QHD resolution, then it simply means it will be more efficient if it is 1080p only, which translates to better battery life, getting you more usage time on a single charge, and that is at the cost of what? pretty much almost none because I highly doubt you would still be able to pinpoint which screen is sharper like I said in my previous post.
And it will be more efficient if it is 720P, heck... if it's QVGA with the current phone specs we get it will be unbelievably efficient! I mean at the of the day we could've just stayed at 2.2inch QVGA, there was nothing wrong there, they were efficient, and they would cost less in R&D, as a matter of fact, a Nokia 1100 type phone would make the most sense, as at the end if the day all we REALLY need is to stay in-touch, yeah? We could use that argument to death, had we stayed on single core, 256mb ram etc... We could go on and on.
Posted by -XYZ
My main problem with the QHD displays, is the fact that they are bigger. Why 5.5 inches?
That would make the main flagship EVEN BIGGER. Something that I feel is absolutely not necessary.
If they can make a 5 inch, or smaller display at QHD, then it would be more tolerable.
This whole resolution race. I fully understand why OEM's are taking part in it. I understand that Sony cannot get caught with smaller numbers on a spec sheet. After all, I assume that's the main reason Qualcomm adopted smaller cores, that run at higher frequencies, rather than going the Apple approach, and using larger cores, operating at lower frequencies.
However, I despise the current trend of ever expanding flagships. I don't mind them being 5 inches, but its reaching a point where every year....no....every 6 months even, flagships get slightly larger.
Its rather frustrating.
All I want from Sony, is 3 different sized smartphones: A 4.3 inch "Compact", a 4.7-5 inch "Main flagship" and a ~6 inch "Ultra" model. All with identical specs. The median flagship shouldn't get much larger than 5 inches. Those who want a smaller option have one, those who want a larger option have one.
Anyway, this is turning a bit into an Off-Topic rant...I should leave it at this.
Posted by MartenR
I think Japanese companies as a whole are not and won't be competetive unless a sovriegn debt default(which is probably going to happen in early 2020s) forces the whole country to change. For Sony it'd be better to move their headquarters to US and bring outside directors to replace current ones and gradually turn into an international based in US company and remove their operations from Japan. As a result of a tightening labor market and old and inefficient manufacturing infrastructure, production in Japan doesn't make sense and Japanese engineers are not globalized and don't get me started on managers. The market is also only shrinking there. Neither manufacturing, designing nor marketing makes sense anymore in Japan. Look at Panasonic, they localized their operation and diversified their designing and managed from Japan to the end markets and they are now profitable. I remember either one of the executives of Mitsubishi, Kawasaki, mitsui or another company said that they are hiring more south east Asians because they are more willing to improve productivity than Japanese. I hope Sony goes bankrupt and some company based out of Japan buys it and save all the legacy and technology of Sony. I don't have any faith in Kaz. The day he stepped in as CEO he should've slashed half of the Japanese manufacturing jobs and made Jobs in US for integrating entertainment and hardware. He should'nt have moved the Sony Mobile HQ to Japan Suzuki is a terrible manager. I feel sorry for all those engineers let down by him. And now Sony is estimating an overly optimistic results for FY2015 the same JAL didbin 2010 and in 2012 they filed for bankruptcy protection.
Posted by Shino03
All the android OEMs are in a crazy bloody spec WAR while in a different world, apple laughs at their madness.
Posted by randomuser
On 2014-05-30 20:01:46, -XYZ wrote:
All I want from Sony, is 3 different sized smartphones: A 4.3 inch "Compact", a 4.7-5 inch "Main flagship" and a ~6 inch "Ultra" model. All with identical specs. The median flagship shouldn't get much larger than 5 inches. Those who want a smaller option have one, those who want a larger option have one.
Anyway, this is turning a bit into an Off-Topic rant...I should leave it at this.
Seems like you won't be getting what you want.
Posted by reeflotz
On 2014-05-30 19:49:40, Tsepz_GP wrote:
And it will be more efficient if it is 720P, heck... if it's QVGA with the current phone specs we get it will be unbelievably efficient! I mean at the of the day we could've just stayed at 2.2inch QVGA,
as a matter of fact, a Nokia 1100 type phone would make the most sense, as at the end if the day all we REALLY need is to stay in-touch, yeah? We could use that argument to death, had we stayed on single core, 256mb ram etc...
Oh come on I can't believe you can't comprehend the point of my post
, read it again please, here let me quote it for you, AGAIN :facepalm:
because I highly doubt you would still be able to pinpoint which screen is sharper.
the transition from QVGA to 720p to 1080p had been beneficial because we could literally see the difference and we are using larger and larger screen sizes for phones. but from 1080p to QHD 5 inch, nope, the benefit is already minimal. There is a limit to again how much the human eye can see.
Do you get it now Mr. Tsepz GP? Try not to mock other peoples post when you weren't even able to comprehend it fully. You're going crazy thinking I said something about that we should not improve tech, when my post is just all about screen resolution and sizes and the benefit that we get from it. You've lost track of the argument.
@ topic
yeah sure QHD will be the standard, companies most of the time never asks what you like, instead they tell you what you should like and it has been that way for years. I'm just posting my opinion on this resolution race thing. Sure in the end we all pretty much have no choice anyway but to follow what these companies put out on the table.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2014-05-31 06:59 ]
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-05-31 07:20:14, reeflotz wrote:
On 2014-05-30 19:49:40, Tsepz_GP wrote:
And it will be more efficient if it is 720P, heck... if it's QVGA with the current phone specs we get it will be unbelievably efficient! I mean at the of the day we could've just stayed at 2.2inch QVGA,
as a matter of fact, a Nokia 1100 type phone would make the most sense, as at the end if the day all we REALLY need is to stay in-touch, yeah? We could use that argument to death, had we stayed on single core, 256mb ram etc...
Oh come on I can't believe you can't comprehend the point of my post
, read it again please, here let me quote it for you, AGAIN :facepalm:
because I highly doubt you would still be able to pinpoint which screen is sharper.
the transition from QVGA to 720p to 1080p had been beneficial because we could literally see the difference and we are using larger and larger screen sizes for phones. but from 1080p to QHD 5 inch, nope, the benefit is already minimal. There is a limit to again how much the human eye can see.
Do you get it now Mr. Tsepz GP? Try not to mock other peoples post when you weren't even able to comprehend it fully. You're going crazy thinking I said something about that we should not improve tech, when my post is just all about screen resolution and sizes and the benefit that we get from it. You've lost track of the argument.
@ topic
yeah sure QHD will be the standard, companies most of the time never asks what you like, instead they tell you what you should like and it has been that way for years. I'm just posting my opinion on this resolution race thing. Sure in the end we all pretty much have no choice anyway but to follow what these companies put out on the table.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2014-05-31 06:59 ]
I didn't mock your post, you're the one who just isn't comprehending and overreacting. What I'm saying is that we can argue benefits in many areas, do phone screens really have to be as large as they are today? Do CPUs really have to be as overpowered? Do we really need so much memory? Has the move from 2GB RAM to 3GB RAM been that beneficial really? I can see QHD being beneficial for when phones become the base of a workstation, now that isn't happening right now but hey tech has always had a tendency of some areas moving faster than others. When my 4K TV mirrors what my QHD smartphone has on its display etc... I can see many benefits, as I keep saying, all this will not be done for nothing, if they want to bring 4K displays to smartphones then let them, we already got 4K video, and nobody was this hostile despite the overheating this causes the smartphone.
Posted by randomuser
I don't think this is the right thread to post personal opinions unless they are related to Sony.
Anyway on topic,
Sony seems to be skipping S805. No S805 devices from Sony.
As for Snapdragon 810, I guess everyone knows its coming out next year
Same for QHD display and 4GB RAM and upgraded internal memory sizes.[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-05-31 07:26 ]
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-05-31 08:26:01, randomuser wrote:
I don't think this is the right thread to post personal opinions unless they are related to Sony.
Anyway on topic,
Sony seems to be skipping S805. No S805 devices from Sony.
As for Snapdragon 810, I guess everyone knows its coming out next year
Same for QHD display and 4GB RAM and upgraded internal memory sizes.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-05-31 07:26 ]
That remains to be seen if Sony is actually skipping it or not.
So S808 ? That's the only choice left than.
I'm damm sure Sony won't use S801 in Z3 series. Or they could even end up cancelling the whole 2H flagship lot!
Posted by randomuser
Most of the specs of Z3 are similar to Z2. Design will be the major difference mainly.
Also Z3 remains the only high end offering from Sony left for this year. No other high end devices.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-05-31 07:37 ]
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-05-31 08:34:47, randomuser wrote:
Most of the specs of Z3 are similar to Z2. Design will be the major difference mainly.
Also Z3 remains the only high end offering from Sony left for this year. No other high end devices.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-05-31 07:37 ]
Hmmm. . . So you wanna say z3 will use S801? And no other ultra or compact ?
That is highly unlikely! Maybe ain't true either.
Pretty much every source/leaker here has confirmed otherwise!
Posted by randomuser
You can believe what you want to believe
There will be a compact, but not much different from Z1C
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-05-31 08:22 ]
Posted by -XYZ
Interesting...zomg said the Z3 would be class leading a couple weeks ago. I wonder what the change was caused by...if there is indeed, any change at all.
I wonder of Sony is catching on to these leaks and is purposefully using misdirection...who knows.
That could all just be wishful thinking.
All we can do is wait for ifa
Posted by alexander87
any info on an UI redesign or some sorts? I love it the way it is, don't want some flat UI hipsterish redesign -_-
also Z3 Ultra will still be trated as a tablet/phone hybrid and be left out on the camera department as the ZU was? :/
Posted by randomuser
On 2014-05-31 09:57:53, alexander87 wrote:
any info on an UI redesign or some sorts? I love it the way it is, don't want some flat UI hipsterish redesign -_-
also Z3 Ultra will still be trated as a tablet/phone hybrid and be left out on the camera department as the ZU was? :/
Yes there will be UI redesign for Z3.
No Z Ultra successor this year or perhaps ever again.
@-XYZ
ZOMG had also said that Z2 will come with S805 and 4GB RAM.
What I'm trying to say is he has been asked not to leak anything since last year and as such whatever he said in the recent past has turned out inaccurate. Perhaps to misdirect or some other reason.
Z1 "Big camera update" ? Nowhere to be seen. Z2 being sold on all major US carriers ? Didn't actually turn out that way.
Z2 with S805 and 4GB RAM ? ...........
Certainly he knows a lot more than me or anyone else here, but somehow doesn't really share accurate info anymore.
Likewise, what I have posted are also rumors and should be taken with bags of salt. A rumor is a rumor until confirmed
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-05-31 09:08 ]
Posted by MartenR
I guess 2012 is repeating now and that's a good thing if you ask me. We also had a low profile lunch for T at IFA and S in MWC. I think they are going for a huge lunch at CES 2015, similar to Z. I think if they manage to do it right this time Sony Mobile will get momentum. They really messed up with Z; if they had managed to use high quality display and camera along with decent battery life, it would have sold more than 10 million units. I hope it's really the case. I also hope UI redesign brings more integration with Sony's entertainment and gaming divisions.
[ This Message was edited by: MartenR on 2014-05-31 09:28 ]
Posted by randomuser
Basically seems like Sony is trying to address the dual flagship criticism with this strategy. By coming out with a product that is only marginally better than the 1H flagship, it won't draw much criticism from consumers and at the same time satisfy the Japanese market desire of having new flagships every six months.
Posted by HxH
I feel bad to accept that Samsung's treatment is way ahead of Sony today, they catch it right.
formal flagship in H1 (Galaxy S series) and bigger phablet flagship (Galaxy Note series) in H2.
Way lot better than dual flagship with marginally upgrade treatment to satisfy specific market need.
maybe next year formal Z flagship in H1 and Compact and Ultra in H2 will look much better shape.
Posted by RandomCarpet
Some of you guys just don't get it. Does it have to be done, just because it can be done and is already being done?
QHD (2560x1440) = 3686400 pixels ( 3.69 MPix)
FHD (1920x1080) = 2073600 pixels ( 2.07 MPix)
A QHD panel has 78% more pixels than a FHD one. This means that everything that is displayed on a QHD display will require 78% more RAM (even if it is a simple solid color rectangle). The additional CPU power required to handle the increased resolution will be of course less than 78%. Let's say it's going to be between 15% and 65%, depending on the complexity of the content currently being displayed.
Is that worth it? Let's say next-gen CPUs will be 30-40% more powerful than today's flagship CPUs. Don't you want a device that actually feels faster than the previous generation and can hold significantly more useful information in the same amount of RAM?
Will a 5" QHD display look 78% sharper than a 5" FHD one?
Will most human eyes be able to observe even 5% increase in sharpness?
For the transition WVGA -> HD -> FHD I would say that the increase of sharpness perceived by the human eye at each density increment was significantly more than 5%.
Infinite increase of displays' pixel density is even more pointless than the infinite increase in camera sensor resolution. Simply put - you can always zoom-in on hi-res images in order to see the extra detail captured by a higher-res camera. While for displays, at some point you are going to need a magnifying glass in order to be able to see the extra detail of a higher-res higher density display. Are you going to carry a magnifier for that???!
For things such as processing power, RAM size, battery capacity; even if they are increased infinitely, every subsequent increase is going to result in (somehow) measurable / observable improvements.
Posted by SEXperiaPro
5.5 inch Quad HD is perfect. I'm using the T2 Ultra now and it feels great. Looking at my mom's Z1s I just felt 5 inches wasn't big enough, and I'm coming from a Acro S
Posted by Wintermute
Oh my gosh people, let the QHD thing go already. Everything people are complaining about with respect to QHD was complained about a year ago with 1080p phones. People saying the battery would suck. People saying it would take up more RAM and more processor capacity. Well, guess what? They were wrong. About everything. Current 1080p phones have WAY better battery life than any 720p phone ever did. Benchmarks and gaming performance is much higher on current 1080p flagships than on any 720p phone. And apparently RAM is not a problem, because OEMs stayed at 2 GB with no problems.
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-05-31 15:23:32, HxH wrote:
I feel bad to accept that Samsung's treatment is way ahead of Sony today, they catch it right.
formal flagship in H1 (Galaxy S series) and bigger phablet flagship (Galaxy Note series) in H2.
Way lot better than dual flagship with marginally upgrade treatment to satisfy specific market need.
maybe next year formal Z flagship in H1 and Compact and Ultra in H2 will look much better shape.
This time samsung is also launching s5 prime for h2 aside of note 4. They are going Sony route.
Even Htc will be coming with m8 advance and m8 plus versions.
Posted by tel033
I think sony is doing it fine, z3 shouldn't be much more different from z2, it must stay just like a plus version, desing should stay kind of the same too, to leave big improvements for the h1 flagship, they should get better with availability times and US availability specially.
Posted by HxH
Please come back until GS5 Prime make a way into headline news, unless I will not consider it.
Most likely, I guess it the launch timeframe could be same as S4 LTE-A and not really wide-available.
As for One M8 Prime, serial leaker @evleaks says the project already put on ice or may get cancelled.
Sony should take it seriously on Chinese, Indian and Russian as top priority, with keep effort on European market as whole.
If they wants to penetrate into US maybe, Silver program could be best choice to bet but tough competition against other manufacturers. LG is strongly candidate as well as Motorola/Lenovo, and Sony itself not favor of intervene from other company that's matter why they can't get along with US carriers.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-05-31 21:57 ]
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-05-31 22:53:05, HxH wrote:
Please come back until GS5 Prime make a way into headline news, unless I will not consider it.
Most likely, I guess it the launch timeframe could be same as S4 LTE-A and not really wide-available.
As for One M8 Prime, serial leaker @evleaks says the project already put on ice or may get cancelled.
Sony should take it seriously on Chinese, Indian and Russian as top priority, with keep effort on European market as whole.
If they wants to penetrate into US maybe, Silver program could be best choice to bet but tough competition against other manufacturers. LG is strongly candidate as well as Motorola/Lenovo, and Sony itself not favor of intervene from other company that's matter why they can't get along with US carriers.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-05-31 21:57 ]
Unfortunately S5 prime is slated for launch in India too which doesn't count in limited launch areas. Some test versions of S5 prime have arrived in India.
Secondly i'm not talking abt M8 prime here. M8 advance and plus are going to be two different devices with one of them launching with s805, QHD screen and same size as current M8.
As for focussing on india, Sony is already doing pretty GREAT here if flagship and high-mid range phones are concerned.
Z2 is beating sales of S5 and outselling M8 by about 7:1 !
Though it's an altogether different story if we take into consideration low end and dirt cheap phones.
[ This Message was edited by: AbhiD999 on 2014-06-01 07:02 ]
Posted by HxH
I will wait until Clinton Jeff and his folks (maybe fonearena too) get hands-on treatment first.
Posted by Ebato
On 2014-05-31 08:34:47, randomuser wrote:
Also Z3 remains the only high end offering from Sony left for this year. No other high end devices.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-05-31 07:37 ]
What about that rumored WP8.1 phone in July, does it count?
Posted by ascariss
Personally I feel the smartphone world has hit a slight stand still when it comes to new features or tech advancements.
QHD screens aside, currently not much can be done to make a device different technology wise, most have new snapdragons, plethora of ram, big batteries, at least full HD screen, bazillion software gimmicks which few use.
Perhaps once 64bit arrives and the 808/810, things will advance once again, but at this point in time, my z1 does everything I need it to do and upgrading to z2 or perhaps z3 might not even make sense.
As for QHD, the article about the 805 from Anandtech mentions upgrading to the 805 would have been better to drive the higher res screen and if it is a gaming device due to the better gfx performance. But as qualcomm points out, some of their customers will stay on the 801 until the 810 arrives and this makes sense. Perhaps this is why there have been no 805 products yet for the current crop of phones. And only the larger phablets will get it like the new note and the htc phablet?
http://www.anandtech.com/show[....]agon-805-performance-preview/4
Qualcomm tells us that some of its customers will choose to stay on Snapdragon 801 until the 810 arrives next year, while some will choose to release products based on 805 in the interim. Based on our results here, if an OEM is looking to specifically target the gaming market I can see Snapdragon 805 making a lot of sense. For most of those OEMs that just launched Snapdragon 801 based designs however, I don't know that there's a huge reason to release a refresh in the interim.
I can see then why Sony would opt to stick on the 801 for the Z3, if the 810 arrives for CES15 or MWC15, then waiting 6 months for a much better chip is a no brainer.