Posted by milukugiuniu
Z3 will be announced a few days earlier than the announcement of IP6.
Posted by Wintermute
Z3, Z3 Ultra, and Z3 Compact, all at once. I've been saying for months that this is the way they should be doing it, and people told me I was an idiot.
Posted by amirprog
I think that z3 and z3c announced at the same time is a good thing now that manufacturers are following sony with 2 flags in a year and starting to buff their own minis. i'm sure they are going to be beasts and maybe sony learned a thing or two about not having components shortages as with z2. i'm not really excited about z3 ultra as i don't find a use for ultra mini tablet, but it would be interesting to see if it will start to have its own crowd of consumers.
@litoni
the rumors say only s805 in 2014. s810 from first half 2015.
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-05-22 08:06:53, Wintermute wrote:
Z3, Z3 Ultra, and Z3 Compact, all at once. I've been saying for months that this is the way they should be doing it, and people told me I was an idiot.
I said the same thing before:
On 2014-03-02 18:48:19, itsjustJOH wrote:
Just a hope, but I believe that's what should happen. A complete family in one big announcement. Sony does not do solo events, so I guess IFA is the best time to announce the family.
And this is what I got:
On 2014-03-03 00:36:07, amirprog wrote:
@itsjustJOH
Haha. lot's of wishful thinking here, including yours. 3 devices at the same time will never happen in my opinion. it would be disastrous in terms of marketing. well, we are allowed to dream.
Posted by maiaramdan
On 2014-05-21 23:13:29, AbhiD999 wrote:
Z3, Z3 Compact and Z3 Ultra : The Trio launching at IFA. Source - DoomLoRD
but the Ultra supposed to be even not odd
hence
Z2 Ultra or Z4 Ultra
and i think it will be named Z2 Ultra
the previous Ultra the Z Ultra was appeared before the Z1 with no longer than 1 month but it named on the predecessor Z increment not the successor increment
Posted by HxH
On 2014-05-22 06:26:57, litoni wrote:
wait.. if z3 comes launching in Q2 of 2015 with S805 or S810?.... then Z4 will be pushed back till Q2 of 2016?
o no sony....
<div class="forumeditby">[ This Message was edited by: litoni on 2014-05-22 05:28 ]</div>
Very bold and aggressive bet from the Japanese conglomerate
or maybe they already see something coming out at the end of tunnel?
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-05-22 06:26:57, litoni wrote:
wait.. if z3 comes launching in Q2 of 2015 with S805 or S810?.... then Z4 will be pushed back till Q2 of 2016?
o no sony....
[ This Message was edited by: litoni on 2014-05-22 05:28 ]
Just because one device was delayed doesn't mean others will follow the same path!
Stop this baseless criticism
Posted by amirprog
@itsjustJOH
I was talking about devices that are marketed as flagships phones. apparently the ultra is mainly a tablet. anyway, i still see benefits in delaying z3c to CES unless sony is starting to sell a new compact every half a year.
not everything sony is doing turned out as a good thing. buying millions of unlikable lcd panels and that even now they still didn't get rid of it, unlikable shatter film, releasing half baked camera software into the market that only a few months later they fixed it with firmware (z1), etc. luckily for sony, by the look of things, now that z2 is on the market they are on the right track. i see z3 and z3c getting even better reviews. i'm positive.
Posted by RandomCarpet
I am waiting for the Z3 Compact and hope it arrives sooner than later
Z1 Compact is more than enough for me spec-wise, but its design is not particularly inspiring in my opinion.
Z2 looks a tad better than Z1 / Z1 Compact and I hope that with Z3 / Z3 Compact we are going to see further improvements in that department.
Posted by Wintermute
On 2014-05-22 09:29:21, maiaramdan wrote:
On 2014-05-21 23:13:29, AbhiD999 wrote:
Z3, Z3 Compact and Z3 Ultra : The Trio launching at IFA. Source - DoomLoRD
but the Ultra supposed to be even not odd
hence
Z2 Ultra or Z4 Ultra
and i think it will be named Z2 Ultra
the previous Ultra the Z Ultra was appeared before the Z1 with no longer than 1 month but it named on the predecessor Z increment not the successor increment
Do we have any proof of that? I don't think Sony is committed to only naming the Z Ultra in even numbers. It doesn't really make sense. The first Z Ultra was named the way it was, I think, because they didn't want to "tip their hand" about the upcoming Xperia Z1 that wasn't announced yet. Now that everyone knows th at Sony will be updating their flagship roughly every six months though, there's less reason for the deceptive (note the emphasis) naming. I've said it numerous times before and I'll say it one more time, brevity is key. Give people something short, catchy, and easy to remember. Having to remember that the flagship is the Z2, but the top-of-the-line mini is the Z1 Compact, but also the top-of-the-line phablet is the Z Ultra is way too confusing, period. Phones from the same "generation" should have the same number.
Posted by amirprog
@Wintermute
I agree with you.
in short:
1. the rumors say that.
2. it's the mini version of THEflagship and not of a flagship that was announced half a year ago.
so i read z3 will be 9mm thick and with ultra slim bezel - both doomlord and huyi say. sounds like g2 like dimensions and bezel, but surely with cooler design and premium materials like only sony knows. sounds good.
Posted by Wintermute
So if all three sizes have the same designation (Z3), does that mean they'll all share the new design, whatever that turns out to be?
Posted by Detox
Daily zomgbbqftw:
The Z Ultra successor has been delayed to an IFA reveal/release because S805 won't be ready for their July window.
This is in line with the other rumours.
So, the Z Ultra has a lifespan of 1 year, the Z1 Compact in contrary to (earlier) expectations just half a year and the Z2 as we all know half a year. I wonder, if they will adopt the half a year upgrade cycle for the successors of these glorious three, that is the Ultra after next...
[ This Message was edited by: Detox on 2014-05-22 18:55 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia L2 ?
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]-qhd-display-1-2ghz-quad-core/
Posted by XperiaJunkie
^ I think this maybe a replacement for the M as the M2 is the replacement for the SP.
Posted by Gitaroo
bought a z ultra for cheap, honestly don't have much to complain about. Best screen for watching video and great battery life.
Posted by MNX1024
On 2014-05-22 20:49:33, Gitaroo wrote:
bought a z ultra for cheap, honestly don't have much to complain about. Best screen for watching video and great battery life.
I currently extremely tempted with the lowered price of the Z Ultra. Since we got news on it, guess I'll hold up a bit.
Posted by motvikt
I wonder when Sony will announce all these mid-ends that we see in benchmarks.
Posted by josephnero
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2[....]atform-for-the-connected-life/
Sony 's kinda modular project.not up there with Ara but sounds fun
Posted by maiaramdan
@ Wintermute
i agree with you, no i don't have any proof but i am sure that only one high end compact and only one high end Ultra per year, this is so far a solid info.
just the main phone that increment twice per year neither the Compact nor the Ultra
so if all will be 3 then there will not be Z4 compact or ultra neither Z6, nor Z8 and all even
and then the even number in the phone itself will be more as a facelift, something like the Z1 & Z2
or Xperia S and Xperia SL
same design peefed up with the latest software and hardware update
Posted by Xajel
Rumours vacation
Posted by goldenface
I know, this is the quietest I've seen it for a loooong time.
Posted by itsjustJOH
I'm pretty sure it has been like this ever since the 2014 thread started, most of the time.
Posted by DexterMoser
^ I like trains.
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-05-27 16:45:19, DexterMoser wrote:
^ I like trains.
The Z2 thread was flooded with silly arguments, so I posted mine.
Posted by maiaramdan
razec
can you please update the first page with all the rumours about all the phones yet to be announced in the remaining of 2014
i think the only info now is the Z3, Z3-Ultra & Z3-Compact will start to take the same increment from IFA
Question here
what about the Z tablet will it share the same increment
or Sony will make the Ultra & the Compact even
and the tablet & the rumoured tablet mini Odd?
Posted by Gitaroo
Seems like the whole world is being held back by Qualcomm schedule, which is dumb. S800 was brilliant and now they have gotten lazy and slow.
Posted by razec
On 2014-05-27 19:33:11, maiaramdan wrote:
razec
can you please update the first page with all the rumours about all the phones yet to be announced in the remaining of 2014
i think the only info now is the Z3, Z3-Ultra & Z3-Compact will start to take the same increment from IFA
Question here
what about the Z tablet will it share the same increment
or Sony will make the Ultra & the Compact even
and the tablet & the rumoured tablet mini Odd?
I'm not sure what you mean by that sir
could you please elaborate further?
The infos written on the opening post came from multiple "tried and trusted" sources and my function is to compile all those seemingly legitimate posts to form a bigger picture of what's to come.
Posted by amirprog
@razec
"z3 will have a new design, pvd coating, 3gb ram. z3, z3c, and z3u will be announced at ifa".
http://www.gforgames.com/gadg[....]etal-pvd-snapdragon-805-43418/
https://twitter.com/DooMLoRD_XDA
Posted by Ranjith
On 2014-05-28 20:32:52, amirprog wrote:
@razec
"z3 will have a new design, pvd coating, 3gb ram. z3, z3c, and z3u will be announced at ifa".
http://www.gforgames.com/gadg[....]etal-pvd-snapdragon-805-43418/
https://twitter.com/DooMLoRD_XDA
They say only a HD screen and 3 GB RAM,that would be a disappointment.QHD is necessary and 4 gigs of RAM will have an upper hand!
Posted by -XYZ
They say only a HD screen and 3 GB RAM,that would be a disappointment.
Why?
QHD is necessary and 4 gigs of RAM will have an upper hand!
"My phone has bigger numbers than your phone".
Nope. QHD is not necessary as long as most multimedia remains 1080p. Also, all current QHD screens are 5.5 inches, which is way too nice big. Battery life will be needlessly compromised, because the denser Liquid Matrix will require more power in order to achieve the same level of brightness as existing displays. Also the processor will be strained much more, by having to drive more 50% more pixels, which will also reduce battery life.
4GB of RAM is only for dick-waving at this point. 3GB is enough for now.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-05-28 21:12 ]
Posted by RandomCarpet
On 2014-05-28 22:11:57, -XYZ wrote:
They say only a HD screen and 3 GB RAM,that would be a disappointment.
Why?
QHD is necessary and 4 gigs of RAM will have an upper hand!
"My phone has bigger numbers than your phone".
Nope. QHD is not necessary as long as most multimedia remains 1080p. Also, all current QHD screens are 5.5 inches, which is way too nice big. Battery life will be needlessly compromised, because the denser Liquid Matrix will require more power in order to achieve the same level of brightness as existing displays. Also the processor will be strained much more, by having to drive more 50% more pixels, which will also reduce battery life.
4GB of RAM is only for dick-waving at this point. 3GB is enough for now.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-05-28 21:12 ]
Could not agree more.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
If 4GB RAM and a QHD display is doable NOW? I say do it! It's not about "dick-waving" it's about longevity, a phone that comes with those sort of specs should see very long support and should leave a customer happy for a good 2years.
It's like how the Galaxy Note 2, a 2012 phone came with 2GB RAM, we are nearing it's 2nd Bday and yet here it is still getting updates thanks to the powerful hardware and the 2GB RAM that was thought of as 'unnecessary' in 2012.
The Note 3 and Xperia Z2 should see longer update support than most 2014 flagships thanks to their 3GB RAM, although I'm not sure about the Z2 given Sony's history with updates, but I can see the Note 3 and Z2 in 2016 still getting support.
I'd love to see 4GB RAM and QHD in the Note 4 and Z3/Ultra, that would truly up the playing field for 2015, I'm all for pushing boundaries, we need some 'WOW moments' in mobile, we haven't had many in the last few years.
Posted by -XYZ
Merely increasing the resolution and RAM won't provide much of a "wow"-factor.
What is the point of QHD, when most videos cap out at 1080p. 1:1 pixel mapping is always better than any kind of scaling. And as for longevity....Who would look at a 5-inch 1080p display in 2 years and go "EWW, that is SO low res", when people these days are still more than happy to buy a Moto X with a 4.7 inch 720p display?
And as for 4GB of RAM. What kind of multi-tasking do you intend to do that will use more than 3GB of RAM? Which apps are SO memory intensive that 4GB is an absolute necessity? Even in 2 years....what could be that demanding on a phone?
But forget all that. If we're talking about future-proofing...then RAM is the only upgrade worth considering.
Frankly, I want Sony to scale down the size of their screen. A 4.7 inch 1080p display in a phone the size of the Moto X would be REALLY nice. Maybe a bit taller to accomodate camera and dual speakers if necessary.
Posted by rss_ndrsn
@Tsepz_GP Bigger screen resolution and extra gigabyte of ram wont make it future proof because it is gonna be obsolete anyway due to 32-bit CPU. It would be best to jump on QHD in 2015 together with 64-bit CPU. That would make more impact.
Posted by Wintermute
On 2014-05-29 01:38:47, Tsepz_GP wrote:
If 4GB RAM and a QHD display is doable NOW? I say do it! It's not about "dick-waving" it's about longevity, a phone that comes with those sort of specs should see very long support and should leave a customer happy for a good 2years.
It's like how the Galaxy Note 2, a 2012 phone came with 2GB RAM, we are nearing it's 2nd Bday and yet here it is still getting updates thanks to the powerful hardware and the 2GB RAM that was thought of as 'unnecessary' in 2012.
The Note 3 and Xperia Z2 should see longer update support than most 2014 flagships thanks to their 3GB RAM, although I'm not sure about the Z2 given Sony's history with updates, but I can see the Note 3 and Z2 in 2016 still getting support.
I'd love to see 4GB RAM and QHD in the Note 4 and Z3/Ultra, that would truly up the playing field for 2015, I'm all for pushing boundaries, we need some 'WOW moments' in mobile, we haven't had many in the last few years.
I agree. The G3 has just been announced with its QHD display. Like it or not, this type of marketing war is a fact of life, and given that Sony is an underdog right now, they need to have BETTER specs than anyone else, not merely equal. They need to excel in every way if they want to start taking some of LG and Samsung's customers.
Posted by amirprog
Everyone talking about QHD but no one mentions z3u, but on the other hand the possibility of it happening imo is even less then for z3 because of the rumored odd panel size "6.5-6.7" and i don't see JDI making custom QHD panel just for sony in 2014 because of manufacturing costs, realistically speaking.
regarding z3 and QHD, i kind of agree with both sides. i agree that sony needs to play the spec race regardless of how much benefits it brings now because a lot of people buy expensive devices for a few good years and buyers will deal with potentially shorter battery life and people love to brag about spec. on the other hand, i don't think its a deal breaker if instead sony can surprise with new cool features like sleek new design with ultra thin bezel, dual LED, new sensor with much improved auto mode and processing, waterproof usb, bigger battery with record breaking battery life - QHD free, new stereo speakers with stronger and fuller sound, new super fast wireless charging, etc.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-05-29 12:55 ]
Posted by DexterMoser
On 2014-05-29 01:38:47, Tsepz_GP wrote:
If 4GB RAM and a QHD display is doable NOW? I say do it!
[...]
I'd love to see 4GB RAM and QHD in the Note 4 and Z3/Ultra, that would truly up the playing field for 2015, I'm all for pushing boundaries, we need some 'WOW moments' in mobile, we haven't had many in the last few years.
Yes, I totally agree with you!
If something can be done, why shouldn't it be done?
Of course 1GB RAM, 720p 4,7" screen with Dual-Core CPU is ENOUGH, but should the technical/engineering progress should stop because we already have enough?
It only will be positive, as a result for example "low-end smartphones" might end up with these specs (720p, 1GB RAM, 8MP and so on).
@rss_ndrsn:
2^32 = 4.294.967.296 Byte (which are 4096 MB or 4GB)
So theoretically a 32Bit system should be able to address more than 3GB (max. 4GB), but of course this includes things like memory for graphics and so on. So in practice it's lower than 4GB, but again it should be higher than 3GB, or have I made any mistake?
And regarding "3GB is enough for now."
Well this might have been the same people who believed "Nobody needs more than the 128k".
There is no negative side of having more RAM, it gives only advantages.
Fore example could you/the operating system load many system apps constantly in the RAM, and therefore they would open blazing fast, everytime!
To go further, IF you would have enough RAM, you could run the whole operating System in the RAM (buzzword RAM-Disk/-Drive), to give you an idea of the difference between the internal flash speed vs RAM speed and access time:
(that's a desktop PC, but I think you get the point)
These are just some possibilities what can be done with "more RAM", of course the software has to be developed, but first the hardware has to be present imho.
Even though, there are many more things "more RAM" might help. RAM as a temporary cache for the camera (burst shots, High-Res video or other things requiring fast write speeds and acces time).
Posted by razec
If they could push for more RAM than 4GB (let's say 6GB or even Eight freaking Gigabytes) I'd say DO IT
As 64 Bit computing matures in the mobile space, Apps that will be written based on this architecture are going to be more memory intensive than they were at 32 Bit.
I'm not sure with the QHD screen though, mobile screens are way too small for the increase in pixel count to enjoy at. I'd rather have my mobile display improved upon other "also important" things like contrast ratio (beat OLED), refresh rates (160Hz+ anyone?), increase higher color gamut and let go of the stupid vertical syncing like what's going on with new PC monitors
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2014-05-29 13:38 ]
Posted by HxH
Keep increasing hardware capability is no longer wow factor anymore, it ended since quad-core mobile cpu become too mainstream. Android is getting better at lower hardware resources, still not all good but see improvement in every once and while.
Market didn't response so well with higher caliber hardware anymore unless handful of hardware-obsessives which is minority. The whole development of screen resolution (hd-fhd-wqhd), cpu core (dual-quad-hexa-octa) these happen unbelievably fast, I feel that market tend to careless or not excite about it, including me.
I agreed at some point that need to present capable first before software stuff to make something out of it, but you carefully look the whole development of mobile industry. Barely see anyone to keep up with it, even keep catching is hardtime for them.
I think people is seeking more on better experience side, that's why iPhone still keep it pace well at the top of the chain.
ps. Laser Autofocus from LG is nice try, I can't wait to give it a shot.
Posted by Ranjith
On 2014-05-28 22:11:57, -XYZ wrote:
They say only a HD screen and 3 GB RAM,that would be a disappointment.
Why?
QHD is necessary and 4 gigs of RAM will have an upper hand!
"My phone has bigger numbers than your phone".
Nope. QHD is not necessary as long as most multimedia remains 1080p. Also, all current QHD screens are 5.5 inches, which is way too nice big. Battery life will be needlessly compromised, because the denser Liquid Matrix will require more power in order to achieve the same level of brightness as existing displays. Also the processor will be strained much more, by having to drive more 50% more pixels, which will also reduce battery life.
4GB of RAM is only for dick-waving at this point. 3GB is enough for now.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-05-28 21:12 ]
Along with G3,SAMSUNG,The Chinese makes and mostly HTC will be dick-waving with QHD's.How will it help SONY if they don't go the same route? SONY fans will buy it but the masses will go for the "Best specs on paper"
HTC's M8 has a pretty good cam in spite of being the UP 4MP,just look around how many people are skipping it because it has "Just a 4mp cam".
about RAM,well by then i suppose 3GB will be the norm,it would greatly help SONY's sales if they had some extras.
Posted by reeflotz
On 2014-05-29 02:06:41, -XYZ wrote:
1:1 pixel mapping is always better than any kind of scaling.
Great post
People nowadays ask for unnecessary things, and still end up not being happy with it, a ridiculous amount of resolution on a small screen won't make it any more sharper. Sunlight legibility, color accuracy and response time are more important right now with screens already having sufficient resolution reaching 300ppi.
I just recently got a PS Vita slim which only has a 960x544 res LCD screen, but I was surprised by the very good quality of the screen, games look tack sharp thanks to 1:1 pixel mapping, not to mention it has excellent viewing angles as well even though it's an LCD not an OLED anymore unlike the original Vita.
If there's anything to improve in my opinion it would have to be software, I find it ridiculous that the software (OS and apps) take too much resources just to do something simple. What a waste of hardware potential. Makes me feel that technology didn't really improve that much, even though it did specs wise.
Posted by josephnero
Japan Display Inc. Announces Development of LCD Module Which Applies
Local Dimming Backlight Technology to its white magic
http://www.j-display.com/english/news/2014/20140529.html
It reduces power consumption by 20% compared with conventional "WhiteMagic" modules
I prefer this kind of advances to resolution bump.
[ This Message was edited by: josephnero on 2014-05-29 16:53 ]
Posted by DexterMoser
^
it's a 7" screen
btw. is there any white magic display on a a recent mobile device?
Last I remember is the Xperia P ?!
In addition to my previous post:
To be honest, I'm totally satisfied with CPU/GPU power, display resolution and quality.
The only thing where I'd love to see some big improvements would be the camera. Yes there already has been a big improvement, but in terms of picture quality (noise, dynamic range, resolution for cropping/zoom, sharpness and low light capabilities) it is very easy to notice a difference (unlike CPU/GPU power where you can only see differences in benchmarks now) or display resolution/quality (it may be enhanced a little more, but it's already so good).
But when it comes to the camera, it will very likely easily struggle when the scene is not bright enough or when the object is too far away that you have to zoom.
But who other than Nokia (which will not do it anymore as Microsoft...) will build that 1" 50MP sensor I'm dreaming about (
)?
Yeah I know I have childish dreams...
[ This Message was edited by: DexterMoser on 2014-05-29 19:50 ]
Posted by AbhiD999
I for one would never buy a phone with QHD screen(even if it's from sony) because i do realize all the adverse effects it's gonna have on battery life and processor without any advantage or improvement in usability.
Until 64 bit processors(have enough power to handle QHD) become a norm and these companies prove otherwise that great battery life is possible with all that hardware, i won't EVER buy phone with QHD screen.
Even a lot of other people on diff forums and sites are expressing the same concerns on this BLIND and BULLS*IT screen resolution rat race!
Those who are advocating QHD displays, What will be your response when two yrs later phones with 4K 5" screen come?? Ane go two more yrs further into the future and you will have 8K 5" screen phones !!??
This Crappy blind race just needs to End at some point of time and this is Perfect Time IMO.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Talk about an overreaction of note...
Anyway...
Early reviews are quite positive about the G3's performance, battery life we'll have to see, but I doubt it will be at all as bad as you're trying to make it out to be. LG have a lot at stake, they wouldn't fit a QHD on such an important mass market premium product and not give it the optimization and power management it requires.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2014-05-30 00:35 ]
Posted by Wintermute
Not that this ends the debate or anything, but for those concerned about battery life of a 1440p display:
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]show-promising-results_id56590
Posted by -XYZ
On 2014-05-30 04:45:29, Wintermute wrote:
Not that this ends the debate or anything, but for those concerned about battery life of a 1440p display:
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]show-promising-results_id56590
If it's that good on a 1440p display, then it would be much better on a 1080p display. And it's not like 1080 us insufficient.....
Posted by randomuser
To be frank even 1080p is not required on a mobile device. So whether or not something is actually "required" is not the point as most of the marketing junk by companies including Sony has simply no real utility to the consumers
It's about being on par with the competition, we all know what happened with Sony ericsson when it decided to play safe and remain a generation behind the competition. Sony's sales are down to 8.8 million units now, it doesn't figure in the Top 10 global smartphone vendors list even.
In such a scenario to ditch the latest trend is anything but playing smart. The general customers are not Sony fanboys who are going to accept that 1440p is a waste and choose a 1080p Sony over 1440p Samsung and LG.
The main reason though why at this point Z3 isn't said to sport a QHD panel is lack of availability for Sony. So there is still a chance that they can come out with 1440p panel on Z3 but not a very bright chance though.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-05-30 10:07 ]
Posted by badassmam
If they sell 1080p at a lower price than 1440p then it makes sense and make their phone more compact given that screen size continues to increase. Samsung have kept the S3, S4 and S5 at a similar compact size despite the under the hood upgrades which is very commendable.