SONY XPERIA Rumors 2014

On 2014-05-15 05:47:00, huiyi wrote:
Z3 screen is still 1080P! Sensor 2070M upgrade. The latest high-pass 805. There will be a new color. . Thickness 9MM less. . One ultra-narrow metal frame. . ：-D

On 2014-05-15 05:50:24, razec wrote:

upgraded sensor, hopefully upgraded processing as well :3

On 2014-05-15 06:36:32, feryshad wrote:


1080P ... ?! better ...

this one?!!

5.2-inch Full-HD White OLED

On 2014-05-15 05:47:00, huiyi wrote:
Z3 screen is still 1080P! Sensor 2070M upgrade. The latest high-pass 805. There will be a new color. . Thickness 9MM less. . One ultra-narrow metal frame. . ：-D

On 2014-05-15 06:19:11, miromiromi wrote:


9MM less?
-0.8MM? (8.2MM z2 - 9MM z3)

a nonexistent phone?


i just hope they keep the big battery even if they make the device slimmer.

On 2014-05-15 06:19:11, miromiromi wrote:


9MM less?
-0.8MM? (8.2MM z2 - 9MM z3)

a nonexistent phone?


i just hope they keep the big battery even if they make the device slimmer.

8.2mm(z2)-9mm=7.3mm(z3)

On 2014-05-14 05:59:42, milukugiuniu wrote:
2 color black white green brown

On 2014-05-15 12:32:39, DexterMoser wrote:


The improved sensor, less than 9mm thickness and ultra narrow frame does make sense with the rumor about the 1/2.4\" sensor.
( I'm talking about that: http://appleinsider.com/artic[....]el-horserace-with-2014-iphones )
Sony could reduce all these things with a slightly smaller sensor, advantages in production could lead to at least the same picture quality despite the smaller pixels.

On 2014-05-15 12:32:39, DexterMoser wrote:
Who's Rachel?^

On 2014-05-15 12:32:39, DexterMoser wrote:
Who's Rachel?^


The improved sensor, less than 9mm thickness and ultra narrow frame does make sense with the rumor about the 1/2.4" sensor.
( I'm talking about that: http://appleinsider.com/artic[....]el-horserace-with-2014-iphones )
Sony could reduce all these things with a slightly smaller sensor, advantages in production could lead to at least the same picture quality despite the smaller pixels.

Yes.


Thx @Detox and @Tsepz
Naming a phone after a beautiful woman's name makes sense

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Posted by RandomCarpet


Exactly, more than 1080p has only minuses in my opinion:
- higher battery consumption, because of the extra processing power required
- higher battery consumption, because of the display panel itself
- higher probability of dead pixels

The only plus (higher density and therefore higher sharpness) in this case will be barely noticeable and cannot compensate for the minuses.
Unless of course you look at your phone from a distance of less than 10cm

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Posted by Fransisco
@Dexter
Like the others said, Rachel is the Xperia X10. SE used to name their phones with female's names (perhaps because they were the WTA's sponsor)

@Tsepz
I use custom ROM, that's how I survive . Like what you said, any phone is literally a big upgrade for me . But currently there is no phone in the market that gives me the i-must-own-that-phone feeling. So, hopefully that brown colour rumor is true

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Posted by ascariss
anything above full HD on a 5 inch screen is pointless, there is no benefit and the costs are too much.

OLED would be nice but I am still wondering how the battery use will be, especially when white is being displayed a lot.

Looking forward to this new design and how Sony will execute it.

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Posted by sami92a
Anyone knows how Sony was thinking with A2? it´s like releasing Z1F all over again

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Posted by Detox
Apparently the Xperia Z2 Ultra will be unveiled at IFA, rather than at Mobile Asia Expo, as no hardware announcement will be there, according to a spokesman...

...and the Xperia A2 may be also sold in overseas markets in three months. Shake my head.

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Posted by huiyi
Z3 frame metal! !



http://www.digi-wo.com/thread-17631-1-1.html

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Posted by amirprog
First/third pic (same pic): right frame? camera button or exposed waterproof mini usb.
second pic: left frame? holes for volume button? docking magnet? flaps?
anyway, the frame looks suspiciously too clean: where is the hole for the rounded power button? 1 flap hole only?

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Posted by Vipera ammodytes
^ Don't be sceptical, be sure Sony won't make a mistake with design.

I like the frame.

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Posted by amirprog
Fellow, i am not skeptical, i'm just trying to guess the placement of the usual components. i highly trust info coming from digi-wo. they prove to be a good source. i'm sure sony will bring A design. but more questions arise from the pics then answers so i can't have an opinion about the design. metal is a good start but i didn't expect plastic from sony so...

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Posted by miromiromi
i've been here for quite some time but i'm still amazed by how you are able to make some sensible discussion on those photos

guess i'm still too young here

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Posted by Ricky D
The middle picture quite clearly has a camera icon next to one of the cut-outs.

Also, notice that the edges are parallel, meaning not arc-ed on one side, meaning an end to the arc return.


...or so it seems

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Posted by randomuser
Yes, no arc design.

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Posted by amirprog
@Ricky D
nice notice.
So...
first pic: what seems to be the UPPER part of the left frame - exposed waterproof usb - it has the shape. sony ditched the magnetic dock(?) it is missing from the middle of the frame.
second: the LOWER part of the right frame - camera button, followed by volume button followed by the rounded power button that the pic doesn't reveal.

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Posted by Ricky D
One thing I notice is that the cut-outs are not in the middle of the side strips like in previous omnibalance designs.

To me this says that the cross-section of the device is unlikely symmetrical more likely the back has a smaller footprint and the sides taper in (kind of like the Nexus 4) OR the back is curved outwards like some of the cheaper Z series variants.

It would be a terrible mistake of the newest flagship looks like a cheap variant of a two ear old flagship.

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Posted by -XYZ
I'm wondering about that frame.....it looks too thin. The Z1 and Z1 frames were all made from precision machined from a single block of aluminium. This "frame" looks barely a millimetre thick. How will it provide structural rigidity and thermal dissipation?

This looks more like a band that would be wrapped around an existing frame or something along those lines. Far too thin and flimsy to be the principle frame of the phone. What is the actual body of the phone constructed from? What will it look like? The fact that Sony phones are made from metal and glass, mean that they dissipate heat more effectively than plastics or polycarbonate. While this means that the phone will get warm under intensive use, it means that the SoC inside won't be broiling in its own heat.


Also, relying on the Arc design for a third time, would be disappointing to me. I'd much prefer them to do something new. I'm interested in finding out more.

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Posted by Ricky D
@-XYZ - I thought it was obvious by their appearance these 'frame' parts was the inlays for the sides rather than the actual skeleton of the housing. I think Huiyi's English has never been perfect but his shared info has usually been spot on.

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Posted by nodarsixar
What is the approximate dimensions of the building (z3)? And these photos are real?

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Posted by -XYZ
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They're more real than anything you've ever posted so far.

@RickyD

Ahh, fair enough. That makes sense.
Hope it looks as beautiful and classy as the Z series.

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Posted by vivftp
So.. odds of them fitting a Bionz-X processor in the Z3?

I mean, they're putting it on all their cameras anyways, so might as well!

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Posted by Ricky D
I wouldn't bet on flapless microUSB 3.0, but I would guess that this is the start of the next gen docking connector mentioned previously which ought to be waterproof (obv) and carry data and with any luck be magnetic and smaller.

I'm sightly concerned that if it is the docking connector then it isn't in the centre. This only leads is mismatched accessories that aren't cross compatible with other Sony devices.

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Posted by Ricky D
The more I look at these they look like they belong to a lesser equipped budget version of the real Z3, maybe the Z3R or similar.

Probably without waterproofing hence slot that looks suspiciously like a standard microUSB non-waterproofed socket without a flap and no obvious docking port (which is mostly of use in waterproofed phones).

The design hints to a bulging back too which is in line with the budget, mid-range and regional/developing markets models.

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Posted by vivftp
I'm going to take a guess that they'll do away with the dock connector in favour of wireless charging. They already have wireless charging accessories coming for the Z2, and I'm going to guess that they'll integrate the tech into the phone for the Z3.

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Posted by Ricky D
I can see why they would do that, but we already heard of a second gen docking port I seem to remember.

Also, wireless charging is slow and doesn't connect data. a good docking connector would solve those issues.

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Posted by vivftp
Well there were these rumors a while ago about Sony working on faster wireless charging for 2H 2014

http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]ate-2014-for-its-xperia-range/

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Posted by Ricky D
There's also the possibility that we see high speed wireless charging AND an advanced docking port.

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Posted by ascariss
I feel there is no point in speculating about the design from one small piece of the device, that would be like extrapolating an entire dinosaur from a vertebrae and rib.

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Posted by razec


But first It should be a real chip, not software based

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Posted by -XYZ


Lets not get too hasty.
Thermal dissipation characteristics of the phone must be good enough to handle a dedicated ISP chip like Bionz X.
Chances are, a phone as thin and small as it is, cannot handle such a thing. It would almost certainly cause overheating, which will impact battery performance, and may negatively impact the primary SoC. I mean the Z2 overheats by recording a little bit of 4K.
Granted the Z series phones have better thermal characteristics than other phones (unlike others, they actually get warm, which means heat is conducted away from the components, rather than being sealed in), and the waterproofing means you can indeed run it under a tap to cool it off quickly, but still.

Sony will need to create a dedicated Mobile version of the Bionz chip, which is small and has sufficiently low power draw, to not compromise thermal characteristics and the general performance of the phone.


Also, I agree that this metal band, seems odd for a flagship phone, which I would imagine is precision milled from a single block of metal for rigidity and an uncompromising industrial feel, and aesthetic. Seems rather unnecessary to have an additional metallic band on top. Or worse still, having an overall polycarbonate phone, with the band replacing the aluminium, instead of supplementing it.

I still want to see a Magnesium-alloy used in phone construction. Y'know, the stuff they use to make expensive cameras. That stuff feels SO good in the hand...

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Posted by ascariss
This was discussed many times, and the problem it comes down to is heat dissipation and battery use.

If perhaps there was a large enough heat sink and a good way to dissipate heat, ie no water or dust proofing then perhaps a small dedicated chip might be possible but I wouldn't think a bionz-x would be used.

it won't happen, at least for the time being I feel.

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Posted by amirprog

That.
i believe sony is ditching the docking port for waterproof usb + new wireless charging since nothing in the frame suggest a docking port + all reliable info coming from digi-wo in the past was right as far as i remember.

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Posted by HxH


I don't really mind if it hardware or not, as long as it can deliver a promise

take a look on average Optical Image Stabilizer which has 2 axis, it's hardware but Sony latest software stabilizer just blow it out off water.

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Posted by -XYZ
@HxH

Not necessarily true.
Besides, DIS usually requires cropping the FoV, which OIS would not require.
Sony have capable engineers, I'm sure they could work out a 3-axis OIS solution given enough time. Combine it with their already good DIS, would make for an incomparable camera experience, in terms of stabilisation.

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Posted by itsjustJOH
@HxH
FoV is decreased because of the software stabilization. And you can only appreciate it on video. A 3-axis (2-axis seems not as useful) would greatly help in both stills and video.

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Posted by Shino03
Now that Nokia is finally out of the game, can Sony now use Carl zeiss on their smartphones?

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Posted by miromiromi
^ no, i think microsoft bought most assets of nokia and these include the outstanding exclusivity contracts the company has with certain suppliers or manufacturers. i think they renewed the CZ agreement before the MS takeover.