Posted by amirprog
On 2013-10-29 16:51:40, razec wrote:
No worries mate, I appreciate the concerns
thanks for the feedback 
Still waiting for the real scoops to come
I do hope Sony would also touch the modular phone concept. its about time that we see real innovations. to be honest there hasn't been a revolutionary innovation on mobile technology since the advent of iPhones/Droids. fingerprint scanners and flexible screens be darned, they're uninteresting to say the least
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-10-29 16:32 ]
+1
and don't even talk about smart watches. who wants to charge a watch? seriously... most people don't even use watches these days.
yeah, that modular tech looks really cool and futuristic.
Posted by DACHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZbDVNhtiro&feature=youtu.be
This holiday season, Sony lets you give more than you ever have before.
Posted by amirprog
So, is Sharp or LG going to supply sony the 5.2 inch FHD IPS displays?
as far as i know, they are the only companies to manufacture a 5.2 IPS FHD displays already in mass production.
look at this sharp smartphone ready for release in december (with that 5.2 inch display): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkAL6vOQCmY
i'm not sure how good ultra thin bezels will feel in a smartphone in extended use but LG got owned in the bezel department
anyway, either that display or g2's display is a winner, and no more viewing angles complains.
Posted by tonif430
Any rumors about Tianchi?Price?
Posted by vivftp
So, where do we stand on the likely launch of the next flagship from Sony? I'd say expecting it at CES or MWC is too soon, but that's exactly what happened to the Xperia T last year when the Z/ZL came out. I think ramu recently indicated Sony was going to continue the 2 flagship/year cycle, so if that's true (please correct me if I'm wrong) then are we likely to see a new flagship in just a couple months???
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2013-10-29 17:52:08, amirprog wrote:
On 2013-10-29 16:51:40, razec wrote:
No worries mate, I appreciate the concerns
thanks for the feedback
Still waiting for the real scoops to come
I do hope Sony would also touch the modular phone concept. its about time that we see real innovations. to be honest there hasn't been a revolutionary innovation on mobile technology since the advent of iPhones/Droids. fingerprint scanners and flexible screens be darned, they're uninteresting to say the least
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-10-29 16:32 ]
+1
and don't even talk about smart watches. who wants to charge a watch? seriously... most people don't even use watches these days.
yeah, that modular tech looks really cool and futuristic.
WOW.... you're statement is just so false - and shows how little you know of demographics.
Personally, after not owning a watch for 13yrs I've recently purchased a classy Swatch model - basic Chronograph and it's VERY sharp, matches my skin tone and dress attire.
1. Demographics show in the western world youth under 25 don't and haven't owned a watch of any kind (since being a toddler) - new generation.
2. Those older than 30 roughly half in the western world own a watch and have for many years. The majority of which will continue to by them.
3. Those that have professional positions in large corporations - having an office job own a watch. Majority I'll bet that wear dress clothes do.
OF course charging a watch doesn't make much sense today - even in the age of the consumer smartphones - however the fact of purchasing a specific watch battery for your particular model is just as assinine as well. Ever half to look for a watch battery that matches voltage and size and shape? Arrgh!!
I'm even willing to bet those youth - 16-30 in both China and Japan DO actually own a watch (and it's not a smartwatch either for more than say 5%).
Owning a watch today, is like owning a proper pair of dress shoes ... it shows class, demeanor, and character.
Posted by razec
I still use a wrist watch (a rugged Timex
) though yes I don't like Smartwatches (and I'm 24 
), I was never a fan of charging my watch every other day at least if that smartwatch has a capability to self-charge by whatever means it could then I'll consider joining the smartwatch craze.
Posted by >500
On 2013-10-29 15:11:38, itsjustJOH wrote:
^Well we really need something to talk about, as it seems rumors and leaks would be much less for this year.
So be it, but the fact is this thread remains a rumor thread. Not a general Sony discussion.
I'd much rather come to this thread and see no new RELEVANT rumor posts than have to read a page or 2 only to find nothing relevant was posted. It means things may get a little quiet, but hey, at least things stay on track!
Anywho, moving along. Back to topic.
[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2013-10-30 01:31 ]
Posted by MyP910
I have sony smartwatch 1 and I really love it. I have to charge the watch once (sometimes twice) a week so basically the battery can last almost 4 days. To me, smart watch is very convenient. The best part is, you can keep the watch in your pocket and still be able to read sms, facebook notifications, reply sms (pretext), change mode/settings etc. This is handy when you are driving or in the meeting because you don't have to look at your phone at all. and on top of that, you can impress people when you use the watch and when they see the `sony' word on the watch
Posted by nodarsixar
Xperia Z1S=Xperia Z1 mini ?
Posted by >500
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[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2013-10-30 07:38 ]
Posted by amirprog
@Supa_Fly
Yeah, ok, i meant more for the younger generation... i'm aware that there are more older people who wear watches. no disrespect.
about smart watches, i think that they are still in their diapers. i don't think that most people who want to wear a watch would want to be bothered charging a watch so frequently, they would just buy a regular watch with battery lasting for months - more reliable and could cost less then a smartwatch. i used to have casio watches when i was a teenager and replacing the battery was a rare thing.
@MyP910
I'm aware of the benefits and sounds like you are making a good use of it.
i think that this is more subjective thing. personally, if i will buy a watch right now i would buy regular watch and wait for the smart watches to develop more, especially in battery consumption. smartwatch 3?
@razec
+1
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-30 07:43 ]
Posted by hihihans
The discussion was if smart-watches would fit in the rumour thread.
As they are something like a remote control of your phone, I think they do.
For discussing it's usability you'd better go to the related thread. Like Sony SW2.
Posted by DACHA
Sony needs to use this in the 2014 flagship
or something similar.
Intel to make quad-core 64-bit ARM chip
On Tuesday, Altera announced that its Stratix 10 system-on-a-chip (SoC) will incorporate a "high-performance, quad-core 64-bit ARM Cortex-A53 processor."
That chip will be manufactured for Altera by Intel on its most advanced 14-nanometer manufacturing process. Current Intel chips on the market, such as its Haswell processor, are made on a 22-nanometer process. Generally, the smaller the geometries, the more advanced the process.
[ This Message was edited by: DACHA on 2013-10-30 13:36 ]
Posted by alexander87
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/te[....]-waterproof-mobile-phones.html
Better coating for future smartphones!
Posted by apolloa
On 2013-10-30 01:21:48, Supa_Fly wrote:
WOW.... you're statement is just so false - and shows how little you know of demographics.
Personally, after not owning a watch for 13yrs I've recently purchased a classy Swatch model - basic Chronograph and it's VERY sharp, matches my skin tone and dress attire.
1. Demographics show in the western world youth under 25 don't and haven't owned a watch of any kind (since being a toddler) - new generation.
2. Those older than 30 roughly half in the western world own a watch and have for many years. The majority of which will continue to by them.
3. Those that have professional positions in large corporations - having an office job own a watch. Majority I'll bet that wear dress clothes do.
OF course charging a watch doesn't make much sense today - even in the age of the consumer smartphones - however the fact of purchasing a specific watch battery for your particular model is just as assinine as well. Ever half to look for a watch battery that matches voltage and size and shape? Arrgh!!
I'm even willing to bet those youth - 16-30 in both China and Japan DO actually own a watch (and it's not a smartwatch either for more than say 5%).
Owning a watch today, is like owning a proper pair of dress shoes ... it shows class, demeanor, and character.
I don't agree with you at all, what demographic? And where on earth did you get those figures from? People in professional positions have watches? lol. No, anyone and everyone can have a watch, their is no demographic involved. Personally I would love an Omega Dark Side of the Moon but seeing as that's £6000 it isn't going to happen! And people get brought watches as presents.
But as for smart watches, they can be included in this thread I feel however I also think any rumours relating to them will be very thin on the ground as Sony have launched two now in the last two years. I was personally interested in the Qualcomm Toq but that isn't coming to the UK, so next up is to see if Google make a Nexus watch, but it needs to ditch the cameras and have a battery life of a week ish.
Posted by randomuser
10 million smartphones shipped Q3.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/
Posted by moogoo
good numbers, but not good enough to push sony into the #3 spot like they want
Posted by Ricky D
Is 10 million up on last year Q3?
Are we expecting any other devices before Christmas?
To the watch debate, smartwatches and regular watches are completely different types of products aimed at completely different people. The difference is much larger than say a smartphone compared to a feature phone. The majority of regular watch users, as Supa_Fly states, are wearing watches out of habit or social status. Smartwatches simply will not appeal to the majority of those users because they are relatively cheap (so have no status factor) and are inconvenient (so aren't suitable for habitual watch wearers). It seems the argument about watches is like one person "but this orange IS and orange" and the other person saying "but this pear IS a pear" and both repeating the same line at each other with increased volume in the hope that suddenly all the fruit are the same. Watches and smartwatches do different things and have very little overlap in functionality, they are for different people, in different situations, with different objectives in life, broadly speaking.
What would be interesting is if Sony teamed up with a reputable 'classy' watch maker to make a time piece with unobstrusive smart functonality. Something that looks like a classy watch you could wear to a black tie event (and carried a reputable watch makers name) but also could flick through texts, dismiss calls and remote detonate the bomb you planted in the evil layer of your arch enemy. It'd be perfect for the next Bond movie.
IN MY OPINION, smartwatches do belong in this thread as they are coming from Sony with Xperia branding and this is an Xperia rumours thread (at least mostly rumours).
Posted by supercoolman
sony has to try harder to get into top 3. won't happen until Sony expands into US and other big markets.
Posted by aussiefella
OMG! international Z1f must be coming soon.
http://www.mobicity.com.au/so[....]LoCFQLvpAodlA8Abg#.UnH9y_lmh8E
Posted by aussiefella
Here is the transcipt of the conversation i had with the chat guy, no that much info, but at least we know it'll be coming soon. YAY!
[Rujean] Add two or more accessories to your cart and get free shipping! I'm here to help you with any questions you may have.
[MobiCityAU Visitor] does the xperia z1f page mean that its coming internationally soon?
[Rujean] Hello, and welcome to MobiCity. How may I assist you today?
[Rujean] Soon.
[MobiCityAU Visitor] How soon?
[Rujean] For all the latest information on new products, release dates and mobile news please follow us on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/mobicity or http://facebook.com/mobicityfans
[MobiCityAU Visitor] i cant seem to find any info on either
[Rujean] Phone unreleased.
[Rujean] http://www.mobicity.com.au/sony-xperia-z1-f.html#.UnH_MvlmiSo
[MobiCityAU Visitor] yeah i know but you have it on your web site so you should know something? Also will it have docomo logo on it?
[Rujean] We have it on our website so customers will know that it will be coming soon.
[Rujean] No specific release date as of now.
Posted by razec
I wonder what's Z2's codename?
Posted by amirprog
@Ricky D
I think that any future offer from sonymobile.com should be discussed here, whether it's a phone, earpiece, docking station, watch, etc.
Posted by sami92a
On 2013-10-31 10:55:32, razec wrote:
I wonder what's Z2's codename?
Isn´t it Avatar?
Posted by pmugghc
Sony sold 10M smartphones in the last quarter:
http://m.androidauthority.com[....]million-xperia-devices-312832/
Posted by moogoo
@supercool - i agree. Sony won't become a big player or even get close to #3 until they've expanded into the US market with force.
Posted by lewiztoner
@ Ricky d
Sony did team up with 'reputable 'classy' watch maker'. It was Fossils. The Fossil mbw-150 and the Fossil mbw-100.
Posted by Ricky D
Fossil are hardly Omega, Tag Heuer, Patek Philippe or similar, where top Fossil watches get to a few hundred pounds, top Omegas go for 10s of thousands. But the Fossil smartwatch was far better in style than the current crop of smartwatches and much more appealing to myself (a regular analogue watch wearer).
Posted by supercoolman
fossil smartwatch looks more like traditional analog watch than those digi-analog mix watch with intrusive display
[ This Message was edited by: hihihans on 2013-11-01 09:43 ]
Posted by itsjustJOH
Has Sony announced 4.4 update schedule for their devices?
Posted by FMW300
Not as yet.
2013 Q3 Tablet shipments.
I find it strange that the Tablet Z, which has earned many accolades & has shown itself to be one of, if not THE best android tablet on the market currently, has not even managed to best Lenovo's 2.3 million Q3 2013 tablet shipments. I wonder how much of that 16.8 million shipments under Other might be Tablet Z?
Posted by ascariss
Perhaps the price is an issue with the tablet Z, it is not cheap, and lenovo on the other hand has a lot of lower ends tablets which are much cheaper. So perhaps sony should invest a bit lower down market, with a 8 inch tablet perhaps?
Posted by pmugghc
Re Smartwatches: I think the technology isn't up to par yet. Will need seriously bendable displays and great battery life.
Posted by Ricky D
Tablet Z's issue was marketing or lack thereof. The price was ok as it was regarded as the best tablet of 2013.
Tablet Z 2 needs to step up the game and bring the stylus tech from Z Ultra and possibly even a bump in resolution so as to not appear to be behind competition (in my mind 1080p is enough but other's won't think so). I own a Tablet Z and it really is the bees knees and hands down the best purchase I've made for several years.
Posted by alexander87
Sony Xperia News @SonyMobileNews 4h
re. #Android @KitKat, we’re excited – next week our news on: 4.3, 4.4; products & more..
Posted by moogoo
how exciting. let's hope it's GOOD news..
4.3 by end of november.. 4.4 by end of january.. how awesome would that be?
Posted by Gitaroo
was hoping that they can go straight to 4.4, the performance upgrade it brings sounds great.
Posted by moogoo
that'd be great too.. but then you'd hear people complaining that it's taking too long ..
guess we'll see next week.
Posted by ascariss
My guess is that Sony will announce that 4.3 would be hitting early to mid November and 4.4 after CES or just before MWC.
Posted by my ninja
On 2013-10-30 14:33:43, DACHA wrote:
Sony needs to use this in the 2014 flagship
or something similar.
Intel to make quad-core 64-bit ARM chip
On Tuesday, Altera announced that its Stratix 10 system-on-a-chip (SoC) will incorporate a "high-performance, quad-core 64-bit ARM Cortex-A53 processor."
That chip will be manufactured for Altera by Intel on its most advanced 14-nanometer manufacturing process. Current Intel chips on the market, such as its Haswell processor, are made on a 22-nanometer process. Generally, the smaller the geometries, the more advanced the process.
[ This Message was edited by: DACHA on 2013-10-30 13:36 ]
You probably want to look to the Exynos 6 then, as this SoC is for industrial radios (crazy server routing and such).. the Exynos 6 is supposedly 14nm node as well but 4x4 (octa) A57.big/A53.LITTLE where CCI (hw limiting factor in the 5410 (S4), and corrected in the 5420(Note3) and the kernel (the cpu_freq tables specifically) will work, as well as a broader memory channel (up from 13GB/s)... sony also has the JDI arm that announced a 5.4" WQHD PixelEyes/WhiteMagic display.. so really we will see, as this year is a year where i dont see the market actors being in lock step this 1H refresh.. unlike this year where 1080p/SoC were standard (s600 1H/s800 2H), display res may change, some firms will miss the upgrade step and market some other aspect of the display because of the outcry of technophobes.. ('why, i cant see the pixels anymore...' crew). and the introduction of 64bit CPUs by samsung will beat qualcomm to the punch.. no timelines for new SoCs from them (Q) yet. S800 is a pre A15 architecture... so its a half step behind already, if samsung can get the Exynos 6 out it will be 1.5 generations ahead architecturally, and 1 version of the instruction set newer (huge improvements across the board), the people that understand this, will cook whatever device its in quickly, as the power would be similar to a workstation. which should be time for the pocket computer to diverge.. walk to your desk, and your monitor, mouse and keyboard all wake up.. connected to your phone as if it was a desktop.. these things are being viewed and engineered with such narrow vision, you can see them missing the boat which results with niche ideologies such as glass/gear..
Posted by rency0722
I'd rather go with a SoC of a combination of Qualcomm's Krait CPU, Imagination Tech's PowerVR GPU and Samsung's memory.
Posted by amirprog
What are the chances that the Z1 successor will have 64 bit processor? and is it true that 64 bit can be fully utilized only with 4 GB of RAM or more?
Posted by nodarsixar
New snapdragon 800 64bit, 2.5ghz and adreno 420
New intel and altera mobile processor quad-core 64bit 14nm
New Novathour quad-core procesor 3ghz 28nm
New tegra processor 64 bit
3 or 4GB RAM
Posted by supercoolman
On 2013-11-02 18:13:22, amirprog wrote:
What are the chances that the Z1 successor will have 64 bit processor? and is it true that 64 bit can be fully utilized only with 4 GB of RAM or more?
32 bit can't use more than 4GB (in reality, probably around 3.7) of RAM without ugly hack, but that doesn't mean 64-bit will utilizing RAM well. it really depends on programming style and requirement. otherwise, 64-bit will waste a huge portion of RAM
Posted by razec
For now 64Bit is nothing but gimmick, what good is a hardware without software that would run on top of it? it'll take a little while before the devs start writing 64Bit apps for the PlayStore. Besides the 64Bit Android at its infancy will worsen the platform fragmentation. I'm no IT analyst but I think even if 64Bit chips start launching next year it'll take another year before the market is fully ready to embrace the new platform.
Posted by Xajel
@amirprog, very low chance... while almost all SoC are working on 64bit, only Samsung will have it first... and Sony doesn't use Samsung SoC..
Sony uses Qualcomm and MediaTek now... Both are working already on 64bit chips, but my guess is that MediaTek might be the first as they just use the same ARM designs which is already ready and used ( Apple is already using a modified ARM design )...
For High-ends, only Qualcomm is where you need to look.. and I can't see any info on having a 1H14 release of any 64bit SoC from Qualcomm... they will have an improved Krait platform nothing more ( from the CPU side, GPU side will go higher to 400 series ), But I don't know anything about 2H14 for Qualcomm...
When Apple announced their A7 64bit SoC as the first 64bit mobile SoC, a Qualcomm guy said it's just a gimmick and useless... but after that another respond was better as you can read between the word that Qualcomm are already working on 64bit for a future products... but that should be another arch. than Krait...
For me, 64bit SoC is just something good if you need to keep your phone for 2+ years... and believe me Apple moved to 64bit not because they need now, but because they're preparing them selfs and the developers for a future product where they will need to go higher and higher ( in RAM and performance )... they want the transition be very easy and seamless...
For Android, moving to 64bit now is for high-end devices only where some devices are targeting 3GB+ of RAM and this is because of the nature of multitasking in Android ( that's why Android needs more RAM than iOS ).. so for 2014 we actually might start needing 64bit...
Apple need it now to make the transition in the future seamless and easy for developers and gurantee the compatibility on older devices in the future. imagine iPhone 7 you might have some apps that are 64bit only, then 64bit apps only will be able to work on iPhone 5S also...
Android needs it in 2014 because we need 4GB+ in high-end phones and tablets, I guess Android will have a native side by side apps feature like Samsung phones in a future update, maybe even Android 5.0 where the UI should have a major change ( the jump in the version number between 2 to 3 to 4 always faced a major UI and API change that forced a lot of apps to be rewritten for the new UI/API, and this is will happen again with Android 5.0 jumping from Android 4.x )
And currently the multitasking nature of Android is flying and needs more RAM, how about later when it have native side by side loading of apps ? but I hope manufacturers know this and ready everything to make the transition easy and fast... We don't want our latest 2013 flagships be incompatible with Android 5.0 because they have only 2GB of RAM !! or because they're 32bit SoC...
Posted by amirprog
@Xajel
Nice explanation, apple and samsung battle each other on the top.
i think that sony will announce the next flagship as soon as possible so they have a good time frame to announce a 64 bit flagship before the end of 2014, if qualcomm will have one to supply them. i don't think that sony will announce the next flagship in April like some rumors say.
Posted by itsjustJOH
Sony CEO to kickoff CES 2014 with keynote speech
"Sony might not be displaying any more phones like the Xperia S and Xperia Z at CES. Earlier this year, we were told exclusively by a tipster that Sony will no longer present flagship phones at the show. This is apparently all part of the Japanese based manufacturer's campaign to prevent leaks by tightening up the rules on who can handle a prototype device."
Not sure about PA's "tipster", though.
[ This Message was edited by: itsjustJOH on 2013-11-03 18:14 ]
Posted by goldenface
What about Mobile World Congress? I'd be really surprised if they didn't show up there.
In a way it's good that they're taking steps to limit the amount of leaks, I supposed they do damage their marketing efforts.
But for our rumours thread, we'll just have to work harder at snooping around. However, it's nice when Sony does completely surprise us with a new Xperia. The Xperia V was a nice surprise, for instance.