Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-03-27 05:15:17, AbhiD999 wrote:
With Z1 itself Sony was ahead of competition. Except of a screen that was inferior in terms of viewing angles, Z1 was simply miles ahead than competition in everything !
And Z2 is on par with competition ? ROFL !!!
There is not even a single device in market that can stand up to Xperia Z2 .
Say we compare the Z1 with the competition at the time of its release. Those would be the G2 and the Note 3. Z1 was clearly behind battery life, display quality, even image and video quality. Full res 20.7 MP was useless when you have too much noise when zoomed in, so it was effectively an 8 MP shooter since it was the next resolution available before 4.4. Video quality, well, was sh*t.
The Z2 may be a bit ahead, just a bit, so I say on par with the S5 and M8.
Posted by winnerzero
I have to admit Sony has been gaining lots inertia from at least my circle of friends/family. One year ago, it was either apple or Samsung phones n fast forward one year n they all bought new Sony phones! Z, z1, sp even my younger cousin got the xperia m. Main reason is they don't want to follow the crowd with another plastic samsung n they didn't want apple again cos of the closed system. Now, everyone I know is proud to be a Sony owner n I think it's this sort of inertia that will lead to more sales. Word of mouth is what got samsung n apple to where they r now n word of mouth will get Sony back in the game.
Posted by HxH
As it seem nothing can't stand against Z2 except component shortage
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-03-27 06:05:48, itsjustJOH wrote:
On 2014-03-27 05:15:17, AbhiD999 wrote:
With Z1 itself Sony was ahead of competition. Except of a screen that was inferior in terms of viewing angles, Z1 was simply miles ahead than competition in everything !
And Z2 is on par with competition ? ROFL !!!
There is not even a single device in market that can stand up to Xperia Z2 .
Say we compare the Z1 with the competition at the time of its release. Those would be the G2 and the Note 3. Z1 was clearly behind battery life, display quality, even image and video quality. Full res 20.7 MP was useless when you have too much noise when zoomed in, so it was effectively an 8 MP shooter since it was the next resolution available before 4.4. Video quality, well, was sh*t.
The Z2 may be a bit ahead, just a bit, so I say on par with the S5 and M8.
None of things you mentioned is true(and don't quote me gsmarena or PA further)
I don't wanna explain everything just to start a useless discussion.
You are being seriously biased my friend !
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-03-27 07:09:26, HxH wrote:
As it seem nothing can't stand against Z2 except component shortage
+1000
Posted by CrownedAkuma
On 2014-03-27 08:50:52, AbhiD999 wrote:
On 2014-03-27 06:05:48, itsjustJOH wrote:
Say we compare the Z1 with the competition at the time of its release. Those would be the G2 and the Note 3. Z1 was clearly behind battery life, display quality, even image and video quality. Full res 20.7 MP was useless when you have too much noise when zoomed in, so it was effectively an 8 MP shooter since it was the next resolution available before 4.4. Video quality, well, was sh*t.
The Z2 may be a bit ahead, just a bit, so I say on par with the S5 and M8.
None of things you mentioned is true(and don't quote me gsmarena or PA further)
I don't wanna explain everything just to start a useless discussion.
You are being seriously biased my friend !
He is not biased! He is just stating the truth... If we analyse the latest 3 device we can see that Z and Z1 were clearly behind competition!
The Z was a LOT behind! It just had the merit of being the first device launched with a FHD screen and IP57 rating... But it had subpar display, subpar battery life, average camera and MOST important subpar CPU (s400 instead of s600)... The design was surely great but it was still plasticky, the speaker were average at best! It didn't have flapless jack, magnetic connector or Camera Shutter Button! I mean in the same time there were the HTC ONE and the Galaxy s4!!!
Then came the Z1! It was ahead in design language (finally metal) and IP58, flapless 3,5 jack and shutter button! But still it had subpar screen which drained TOO MUCH battery! And the battery itself wasn't massive! It didn't have Stereo Speaker (which the HTC ONE had 6 months before!)... It had a great camera (better than the HTC ONE but on par with the S4 beacause of noise!)... Finally Sony were on par with the CPU! But stil they were lacking sound, battery and screen to be a beast!
And now the Z2! Which has the BIGGEST battery, Stereo Speaker, a perfect and less consuming IPS screen and last avaible CPU...! This time IMHO Sony has really a device which is one step ahead of completion!
S5 has littler battery (but also AMOLED which are awesome for battery life), no stereo speaker and it's ugly, it has lesser RAM but more powerful CPU (just a bit)... It has GREAT camera and a lot of (unuseful) functions... I'd say it is one step behind
HTC ONE has awesome build quality (on par with the Z2), less RAM, less BATTERY, bigger bezel and littler screen, (probably) AWFUL camera, no 4K... Better Stereo Speakers, 32 GB of ROM ... I'd say it is a a LOT of steps behind...
Nosing is biased, or saying that Sony sucks, they have done BIG LEAP FORWARD with their latest devices and they should gain some market, they deserve it! I for one will be buying the Z2 for sure!
Posted by AbhiD999
On 2014-03-27 10:12:31, CrownedAkuma wrote:
On 2014-03-27 08:50:52, AbhiD999 wrote:
On 2014-03-27 06:05:48, itsjustJOH wrote:
Say we compare the Z1 with the competition at the time of its release. Those would be the G2 and the Note 3. Z1 was clearly behind battery life, display quality, even image and video quality. Full res 20.7 MP was useless when you have too much noise when zoomed in, so it was effectively an 8 MP shooter since it was the next resolution available before 4.4. Video quality, well, was sh*t.
The Z2 may be a bit ahead, just a bit, so I say on par with the S5 and M8.
None of things you mentioned is true(and don't quote me gsmarena or PA further)
I don't wanna explain everything just to start a useless discussion.
You are being seriously biased my friend !
He is not biased! He is just stating the truth... If we analyse the latest 3 device we can see that Z and Z1 were clearly behind competition!
The Z was a LOT behind! It just had the merit of being the first device launched with a FHD screen and IP57 rating... But it had subpar display, subpar battery life, average camera and MOST important subpar CPU (s400 instead of s600)... The design was surely great but it was still plasticky, the speaker were average at best! It didn't have flapless jack, magnetic connector or Camera Shutter Button! I mean in the same time there were the HTC ONE and the Galaxy s4!!!
Then came the Z1! It was ahead in design language (finally metal) and IP58, flapless 3,5 jack and shutter button! But still it had subpar screen which drained TOO MUCH battery! And the battery itself wasn't massive! It didn't have Stereo Speaker (which the HTC ONE had 6 months before!)... It had a great camera (better than the HTC ONE but on par with the S4 beacause of noise!)... Finally Sony were on par with the CPU! But stil they were lacking sound, battery and screen to be a beast!
And now the Z2! Which has the BIGGEST battery, Stereo Speaker, a perfect and less consuming IPS screen and last avaible CPU...! This time IMHO Sony has really a device which is one step ahead of completion!
S5 has littler battery (but also AMOLED which are awesome for battery life), no stereo speaker and it's ugly, it has lesser RAM but more powerful CPU (just a bit)... It has GREAT camera and a lot of (unuseful) functions... I'd say it is one step behind
HTC ONE has awesome build quality (on par with the Z2), less RAM, less BATTERY, bigger bezel and littler screen, (probably) AWFUL camera, no 4K... Better Stereo Speakers, 32 GB of ROM ... I'd say it is a a LOT of steps behind...
Nosing is biased, or saying that Sony sucks, they have done BIG LEAP FORWARD with their latest devices and they should gain some market, they deserve it! I for one will be buying the Z2 for sure!
So you quote each best feature of every competitor separately and combine them together against Z1. Is that even a fair way?
Z1 alone had too many better features to be called better than the competition !
HTC one - better speakers, screen. That's it.
Z1- better battery(and please don't quote me some gsmarena figures, xperia's reach their peak battery performance after some weeks). Better design(and also there were too many imperfections in one's design in production models), better memory, better camera, better notification light, better ui, much better processor, better gpu, water resistant, dust resistant, and a lot of other stuff !
If one compare Z1 against competition one by one than z1 comes out to be much better device.
Posted by CrownedAkuma
On 2014-03-27 10:47:54, AbhiD999 wrote:
So you quote each best feature of every competitor separately and combine them together against Z1. Is that even a fair way?
Z1 alone had too many better features to be called better than the competition !
HTC one - better speakers, screen. That's it.
Z1- better battery(and please don't quote me some gsmarena figures, xperia's reach their peak battery performance after some weeks). Better design(and also there were too many imperfections in one's design in production models), better memory, better camera, better notification light, better ui, much better processor, better gpu, water resistant, dust resistant, and a lot of other stuff !
If one compare Z1 against competition one by one than z1 comes out to be much better device.
I took the wrong enemy for the Z1... The HTC ONE and the S4 were realised 6 month before! And still has some feature which were better than the Z1...
Z1 fought against LG G2 and Note 3... And loose...
No 4K, no OIS, no Xenon or bi-flash, inferior screen and battery life... Less RAM than Note 3... Less features than LG G2... It was king only in design department, and this is something I stated before (but it is also highly subjective)...
Anyway we have different ideas.. But at least we both think that the Z2 is a winner!
That is true! Let's agree on the Z2 and stop talking about this... There's no need...
Posted by itsjustJOH
@AbhiD999
I am not being biased. And I believe there's nothing I could do to convince you. I was simply saying the Z1 was subpar compared to its competition, pointed out its weaknesses and stating Z2 is on par with the current competition.
Posted by miromiromi
i think we all have our biases. it's just that we try to be reasonable. we always have that feeling of wanting one brand to do better but we're not letting that preference for one brand to cloud our idea of what is good and what is not. i favor sony (that's why this is the only thread i've been visiting here) but i don't let that prevent my ability to be rational, to fail to see the company's misgivings.
Posted by Smaug
Before things get a little too personal regarding accusations of bias, allow me to interrupt with some comic relief:
Posted by HxH
Whoa! Whoa! Where did you get that claim Original Z use Snapdragon 400 as CPU
I would suggest you to STOP reading them completely at all.
Some differences of S4 Pro and Snapdragon 600 is resemble behavior from Qualcomm today SD800 to SD801, just a f*cking incremental upgrade. Not any leap step as manipulated media claim.
BTW, any site out there did actual test that AMOLED and IPS has better battery life than Sony TFT screen? No No please don't you mean GSMArena test, that's actual hilarious one.
the fact is up and down OLED saving more in black theme screen but consume more on white theme, TFT is other hands drain more in black.
Battery life tuning is far more complex than you would think of it.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-03-27 11:32 ]
Posted by Shino03
The Xperia Z2 is clearly the best phone compared to the current flagships from other OEMs. There is no noteworthy feature from S5 or HTC one M8 that could challenge the Z2.
Posted by RandomCarpet
On 2014-03-27 10:12:31, CrownedAkuma wrote:
On 2014-03-27 08:50:52, AbhiD999 wrote:
On 2014-03-27 06:05:48, itsjustJOH wrote:
Say we compare the Z1 with the competition at the time of its release. Those would be the G2 and the Note 3. Z1 was clearly behind battery life, display quality, even image and video quality. Full res 20.7 MP was useless when you have too much noise when zoomed in, so it was effectively an 8 MP shooter since it was the next resolution available before 4.4. Video quality, well, was sh*t.
The Z2 may be a bit ahead, just a bit, so I say on par with the S5 and M8.
None of things you mentioned is true(and don't quote me gsmarena or PA further)
I don't wanna explain everything just to start a useless discussion.
You are being seriously biased my friend !
He is not biased! He is just stating the truth... If we analyse the latest 3 device we can see that Z and Z1 were clearly behind competition!
The Z was a LOT behind! It just had the merit of being the first device launched with a FHD screen and IP57 rating... But it had subpar display, subpar battery life, average camera and MOST important subpar CPU (s400 instead of s600)... The design was surely great but it was still plasticky, the speaker were average at best! It didn't have flapless jack, magnetic connector or Camera Shutter Button! I mean in the same time there were the HTC ONE and the Galaxy s4!!!
Then came the Z1! It was ahead in design language (finally metal) and IP58, flapless 3,5 jack and shutter button! But still it had subpar screen which drained TOO MUCH battery! And the battery itself wasn't massive! It didn't have Stereo Speaker (which the HTC ONE had 6 months before!)... It had a great camera (better than the HTC ONE but on par with the S4 beacause of noise!)... Finally Sony were on par with the CPU! But stil they were lacking sound, battery and screen to be a beast!
And now the Z2! Which has the BIGGEST battery, Stereo Speaker, a perfect and less consuming IPS screen and last avaible CPU...! This time IMHO Sony has really a device which is one step ahead of completion!
S5 has littler battery (but also AMOLED which are awesome for battery life), no stereo speaker and it's ugly, it has lesser RAM but more powerful CPU (just a bit)... It has GREAT camera and a lot of (unuseful) functions... I'd say it is one step behind
HTC ONE has awesome build quality (on par with the Z2), less RAM, less BATTERY, bigger bezel and littler screen, (probably) AWFUL camera, no 4K... Better Stereo Speakers, 32 GB of ROM ... I'd say it is a a LOT of steps behind...
Nosing is biased, or saying that Sony sucks, they have done BIG LEAP FORWARD with their latest devices and they should gain some market, they deserve it! I for one will be buying the Z2 for sure!
Xperia Z has a S4 Pro CPU, not S400. S4 Pro is very very close in performance to S600 (S400 is significantly worse than both), just saying
And Xperia Z camera quality is actually great (after a few firmware updates).
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-03-27 12:17:44, miromiromi wrote:
i think we all have our biases. it's just that we try to be reasonable. we always have that feeling of wanting one brand to do better but we're not letting that preference for one brand to cloud our idea of what is good and what is not. i favor sony (that's why this is the only thread i've been visiting here) but i don't let that prevent my ability to be rational, to fail to see the company's misgivings.
Well said.
Posted by HxH
Huh, I don't stand what a moan and crawl on matter of currently OIS technology?
The 2-axis OIS is nothing but a joke, merely compare to software optimization stabilizer, just only sound awesome.
It about time when Nokia going to allow licenses of 3-axis OIS, that is a real deal.
HTC One M8 is now removed OIS from it Duo Camera, what would you say then?
Posted by CrownedAkuma
@RandomCarpet & HxH
Thanks for correcting me on the Snapdragon s400 BIT, I ignored this... Sorry
BTW I didn't ge the info from anyone or anything, I just found it in my memories
obviously it was wrong!
@HxH always remember that the TFT layer is not a type of display! TFT is found in the HTC and in the Samsung displays... if I'm not mistaking
@Smaug
That's the spirit!
@miromiromi +1000 you are absolutely right
Posted by randomuser
Yes. TFT is a not a display type. ALL consumer electronics LCD screens feature TFT irrespective of brand or panel type - TN/VA/IPS
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2014-03-27 12:54 ]
Posted by HxH
I know, just teasing
Posted by FMW300
I still think the Z1 was up-to-par with the competition, despite its shortcomings. All phones have theirs. Also, Sony DID say the Z1 was their best-selling smartphone ever. It's also clear that the Z2 has some advantages over its rivals. Though I know Sony has a long uphill climb, I believe that once they keep bringing amazing, competitive products like Z1 compact & Z2, there's no way to go but up. And hopefully with improved market penetration worldwide and in the US, coupled with increased marketing, we'll see it!
Posted by -XYZ
A lot of people repeating themselves here, and I'm just wondering when the Z2 will get released, and when the review embargoes end....
Posted by unknownC151A
WAIT. HTC One lovers in previous page: More Xperias were sold than One. More money were made compared to none. Wake up your ideas please. Consumers prefers Sony to HTCs, the trend will not change radically, 2014.
Posted by -XYZ
Show me the data, and then I'll believe you.
In addition, smartphone owners can be fickle, and could jump from Sony to HTC.
Don't make too many assumptions about success or.failure. For any OEM aside from Apple and Samsung, the market is hugely volatile.
Posted by unknownC151A
On 2014-03-28 11:04:42, -XYZ wrote:
Show me the data, and then I'll believe you.
In addition, smartphone owners can be fickle, and could jump from Sony to HTC.
Don't make too many assumptions about success or.failure. For any OEM aside from Apple and Samsung, the market is hugely volatile.
Maybe you can go find their financial statements? It's a know fact Sony makes profits out of smartphones and HTC don't. Don't act bossy or macho. This is not HTC forums.
Posted by hihihans
Just a reminder!!!!
This is the Xperia rumours thread.
Discussing and comparing existing models should happen in the device specific threads.
Thank you.
Posted by feryshad
Japan Display Inc. to Commence Shipping of Next-Generation High Resolution
5.5-Inch WQHD LCD Modules for Mobile Devices
http://www.j-display.com/english/news/2014/20140327.html
[ This Message was edited by: feryshad on 2014-03-29 05:20 ]
Posted by supercoolman
^
too late for Z2, maybe too late for IFA Z3.
Posted by smclion102
5.5 no thank you. 5.2 for flagship is enough
Posted by amirprog
looks like a great display, with big enough battery and hardware that can handle it.
personally, i like that middle size flagships are getting bigger displays. as a 6"4' person with huge hands i can operate note 3 with one hand. 5.5" would be just fine. g3 is already rumored to have such display. i think that sony shouldn't ignore this.
Posted by ascariss
If Sony can fit it into the current Z2 size and not increase any bezels or lose the IP58 certification, then that would be fine but if they decide to make the device larger but thinner, decreasing battery capacity, then no thanks.
Posted by itsjustJOH
Darn, no. The Note II was 5.5". Z2 was nearly the size of the first Note which was 5.3". I would prefer them to stick with 5.2" and decrease the bezel, or at least make the device more ergonomic.
Posted by calim
I'd love to go a bit larger than the Z1. 5.2-5.7 would be perfect.
Who makes the Z2 display? Isn't the Z3 likely to be by the same manufacturer now that the Z2 display is getting so much praise?
Posted by unknownC151A
Hey, the stock shortages are due to too large of demand or limited supply?
The Xperia Z2 pre-order actually ran out of stocked in my country, surprisingly - usually happens to Apple or Samsungs.
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-03-29 15:38:47, unknownC151A wrote:
Hey, the stock shortages are due to too large of demand or limited supply?
The Xperia Z2 pre-order actually ran out of stocked in my country, surprisingly - usually happens to Apple or Samsungs.
"Component shortage"
Posted by CrownedAkuma
Here's the press release for the Qi Charger from Sony, the CP-W5
http://www.sony.com.sg/pressr[....]3/section/productpressreleases
"The CP-W5 has a broad range of charging options. Its main strength lies in the fact that it can charge devices wirelessly or via a charging cable while on the go. It also serves as a charging plate when connected to an AC power supply. Simply place the Qi-compatible device on top of the CP-W5 and both your device and CP-W5 will be charged at the same time."
So it is both a standalone battery and a charging plate... Seems good
Posted by ascariss
Wonder if the shortage is to do with the ram? or memory? Both are supplied by samsung
http://www.xperiaguide.com/20[....]9/xperia-z2-disassembly-guide/
perhaps sammie is saving the ram for themselves or even apple ordered a lot? or they are not producing enough?
Or perhaps qualcomm can't produce enough 801s?
[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2014-03-29 16:29 ]
Posted by supercoolman
there is shortage which limits Z2 supply, but some consumers already have Z2 in their hand as of now.
Posted by CrownedAkuma
It's almost sexy...
The inside of Sony's flagships are so simple and neat!
Posted by hihihans
That's the way electronics should be.
Posted by supercoolman
engineers pay the price.
Posted by Xajel
@CrownedAkuma
Any more pics of this glory ?
Posted by CrownedAkuma
On 2014-03-30 08:21:37, Xajel wrote:
@CrownedAkuma
Any more pics of this glory ?
I found them on the link posted by ascariss! :3
Pure Perfection
Posted by ascariss
So idea, perhaps randomuser or anyone else knows this.
What are the chances the new sensor in the Z3 will have phase detection? Or a hybrid autofocus system using phase detection and contrast detection? If anything, at least phase detection would be nice.
Also no dedicated amp for walkman fine, I've come to terms with this, but what about a dedicated bionz chip for photo processing? Maybe down the road? Z4/Z5?
Posted by Smaug
On 2014-03-30 23:58:30, ascariss wrote:
What are the chances the new sensor in the Z3 will have phase detection? Or a hybrid autofocus system using phase detection and contrast detection? If anything, at least phase detection would be nice.
Also no dedicated amp for walkman fine, I've come to terms with this, but what about a dedicated bionz chip for photo processing? Maybe down the road? Z4/Z5?
I'd fall off the back of my chair if the Z3 had a phase/contrast hybrid AF system. Only Sony's mid and high end cameras carry that tech. Not even the new Alpha A5000 has a hybrid AF, and that is a dedicated mirrorless APS-C camera that costs £400.
Ramu may have a clearer picture (ahem), but a modified BIONZ processor MAY be a more probable contender for future Xperias. Perhaps labelled "BIONZ for Mobile", IF implemented it would require more than just uplifting the current BIONZ-X chip from Sony's Alpha range. The standard BX chip is too large to fit in a super-slim XZ, if Sony continues down the path of "thinness rules".
There would also be issues with heat dissipation, especially during video recording. 4K video recording with every frame processed by a BIONZ chip in a water-sealed device? You'd run the risk of it melting after ~10 min. Sadly everything has a tradeoff: IP58 = big bezels, 4k screen = battery etc...
From Sony's A7R:
Posted by randomuser
No phase detecton/ no dedicated Bionz AFAIK
Posted by ascariss
Ok so perhaps hybrid focus was a bit too much, but phase detection would be possible if Sony tried, the S5 has it. one can dream.
Posted by Xajel
@CrownedAkuma
Thanks very much, I was in a hurry and didn't read every post before I saw that pic
And thanks @ascariss for the link
BTW, BIONZ isn't designed for mobile, it consume a lot of power, the processing it self is not optimised for power but for higher quality and picture perfect ( and cost also ), they can optimise it for power but it won't be that much because of how much it process the data... so in order to make it for mobile, they will need to reduce the processing, optimise for power, and reduce the overall chip size, power consumption & heat to fit the mobile... and I don't see this will come in the coming year IF they're are working on one...
Posted by Wishmaster89
@ascariss
It's not like you can get phase detection and not include hybrid AF, almost all on sensor phase detection pixels work in hybrid mode using contrast detection for accuracy. Especially on such small sensors.
Phase detection is for speed but contrast for accuracy, without phase AF I fear that it would be too unreliable.
Posted by ascariss
well S5 has it. So either it's just phase detection or it is hybrid AF. Meaning it is possible and cost is not an issue. Perhaps this is why Samsung is having some troubles producing the new isocell sensor?
Posted by Wishmaster89
In case of S5 it is hybrid AF, not strictly phase detection (one more thing to remember, it doesn't work in low light conditions).
Why they are having problems producing their new sensor is something only Samsung knows, not convinced that phase detection pixels are to blame. More probable is that it's complex to produce and they're not as experienced as sony when it comes to camera sensors.