Posted by ardian
guys why you keep thinking about the future???? just enjoy the present mate and let the time do the rest..... thinking too much can seriously damage your brain
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Posted by CrownedAkuma
On another note... I know this is not the HTC thread, but we are talking about a rival of Sony and the Z2... so the M8 has officially leaked... here's a video of 15 minutes of it with an annoying noy who doesn't know what he is doing in the background, I HIGHLY reccomend you to turn the sound OFF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?[....]=player_embedded&v=16MPb6aUid0
Bigger screen, double back camera to have better night pics, dual led flash, microSD support... it still have big bezels as the HTCOne, even if now the buttons are on screen.... possibly even bigger... I do not know about anything else beacause the boy is uninformed and boring!
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Posted by itsjustJOH
HTC will hunt the kid down. He obviously doesn't know what he's doing.
I wonder what happened to iRimas.
Oh, hello Ardian.
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Posted by ardian
On 2014-03-03 17:31:50, itsjustJOH wrote:
HTC will hunt the kid down. He obviously doesn't know what he's doing.
I wonder what happened to iRimas.
Oh, hello Ardian.
[ This Message was edited by: itsjustJOH on 2014-03-03 16:36 ]
thats why i dont use twitter
Posted by Away
Kindly refrain from posing as an insider of sorts. I remember others requesting you do so earlier. Just because there's a more stringent no-leak policy and we're not accustomed to being deprived of info, doesn't mean you can fill the void with rubbish.
Everyone in the world knew the z3 should have a better camera and most likely the s810. The arc design has been rumoured for years, but people forget it's not in line with omnibalance - you can't mix the two.
Anyway, the world has grown accustomed to single phones with strong marketing and presence. At this point in time, two designs for the same specs would be suicide.
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Posted by Wintermute
On 2014-03-03 12:30:59, alexander87 wrote:
On 2014-03-03 11:57:12, Away wrote:
Ultra should definitely not become a tablet line. It SHOULD compete with the note series. It should become smaller, 5.9". It should be thicker with a much bigger battery, and have good input software with apps for productivity.
Noooo, don't go smaller screen on the Ultra
If it was inevitable then I guess not below 6 inches, then it should still be okay.
I for one love that big a*s screen it has, really enjoy-ing watching episodes and playing games on it.
As for the camera update, I'd be pleased if they at least port the Xperia Z camera to it, with the flash ofc, so I can forgive them on the compromise for having an ultra = worse camera because maybe...the successor will be a very slim device too???
Haha, I agree. I love the Z Ultra's screen size so much. I did some calculations the other day, and if Sony can reduce the upper and lower bezels on the Z Ultra to be the same size as on the Z2, they could fit a 6.7" display in the same footprint (assuming it would fit in the same width)!
I think reducing the screen size would be pretty pointless. Hell, the Z2's display is almost as big as a Note 2. No need for a separate Note competitor, in my opinion. With the Compact, Z, and ZU lines, they have 4.x," 5.x," and 6.x" sizes covered. That's PLENTY of choice, in my opinion, far more than any other manufacturer gives you when you consider that smaller screen sizes are gimped and even the Galaxy S line plays second fiddle to the Notes these days. Sony needn't match their competitors screen sizes exactly.
Posted by Ricky D
To step down the Ultra's size would be to step down the Ultra, no?
They'd have to call it Xperia Z3 Less Than Ultra for having a screen size less than Ultra's.
Posted by ascariss
honestly if it wasn't for sense, I would probably get a htc, I feel it's built much better than the S5.
If sony decides to address the complaints on the ultra, then either it will remain same size, but be thicker for a flash to fit in it, and perhaps add a built in stylus or they will shrink the screen size to 6 inches, thicken it to add flash and integrate a wacom pen, but at this moment it is anyone's guess what sony will decide.
Posted by Wintermute
I have no research to back this up, but I feel like most complaints about the Ultra's size come from people who hate big phones and wouldn't have bought it anyway. I have a hunch that even if they dropped the display size to 6.0," they wouldn't appreciably increase sales.
Posted by goldenface
One thing I've been please about with Sony is the way they seem to have answered all the criticisms in the Z and Z1, and answered them with the Z2, very impressed with the way they have done this.
If they can do the same with the next incarnation of the Z Ultra then it will turn out to be one hell of a device.
Posted by Away
On 2014-03-03 23:47:34, Wintermute wrote:
I have no research to back this up, but I feel like most complaints about the Ultra's size come from people who hate big phones and wouldn't have bought it anyway. I have a hunch that even if they dropped the display size to 6.0," they wouldn't appreciably increase sales.
Dislike absolutely massive phones but are happy with the size of the note 3. I didn't initially know it, but the ultra was Sony's competitor to the note 3. Without any productivity features? Crazy.
I said earlier, well, a long time ago I guess, that the ultra line can remain, but there should also be a 'Max' or whatever line. This could compete with the note. Even the size of the current ultra would be excusable if it meant an absolutely massive battery and relatively productive.
Posted by alexander87
They marketed the Ultra as Big Screen, Big Entertainment, I guess it was their take on the big screen phones market.
So naturally, the productivity side took the backseat, it HAD the special anything works touchscreen feature (now it seems even the Z1 has it) but that is not productive by any means.
For me it works as marketed, it's a beautiful and effective entertainment MACHINE aaaand a conversation starter wherever I go and "pull it out"
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-03-04 13:54:28, alexander87 wrote:
They marketed the Ultra as Big Screen, Big Entertainment, I guess it was their take on the big screen phones market.
So naturally, the productivity side took the backseat, it HAD the special anything works touchscreen feature (now it seems even the Z1 has it) but that is not productive by any means.
For me it works as marketed, it's a beautiful and effective entertainment MACHINE aaaand a conversation starter wherever I go and "pull it out"
"It's not the only thing that's big down there."
Posted by Ranjith
Even i hope they don't shrink the screen size!Reduce the bezel but not the screen & make the HW as good as the Z2!if it had a LED flash i would have bought by now..now waiting to get the Z2 .
Posted by alexander87
yeah, so no leaks, no nothing? last year we knew some details about Z Ultra kind of long before it's announcement
just wish it retains the screen size/slimness and adds an LED flash.
I know...there is a probability that the ZU was just an "experimental" release and seeing it not having stellar sales could make SONY drop it
Posted by itsjustJOH
There is a Sony event tomorrow somewhere right?
Posted by CrownedAkuma
On 2014-03-04 16:05:43, itsjustJOH wrote:
There is a Sony event tomorrow somewhere right?
Oh yes, you are right sir.
I' not expecting to much!
Posted by smclion102
It will just be a recap of MWC
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
Yeah, Jakarta isn't really where you'd expect them to announce anything. I mean, it's not a trade show is it? It's probably just a local display of their newest products in Indonesia and a chance for a hands-on.
Posted by amirprog
in case the next sony flagship is going to have fingerprint scanner they should find a better way to implement it then apple and samsung did, this is bad example from apple - scanner is dead after a small scratch with a knife in iphone 5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-3c1NYF8Gw
galaxy s5 looks even worse from hands on videos.
Posted by kurtdean
On 2014-03-05 13:03:02, amirprog wrote:
in case the next sony flagship is going to have fingerprint scanner they should find a better way to implement it then apple and samsung did, this is bad example from apple - scanner is dead after a small scratch with a knife in iphone 5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-3c1NYF8Gw
galaxy s5 looks even worse from hands on videos.
No need fingerprint scanner the NSA will spy on us if SONY did that
Posted by CrownedAkuma
On 2014-03-05 13:03:02, amirprog wrote:
in case the next sony flagship is going to have fingerprint scanner they should find a better way to implement it then apple and samsung did, this is bad example from apple - scanner is dead after a small scratch with a knife in iphone 5s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-3c1NYF8Gw
galaxy s5 looks even worse from hands on videos.
I do not want FingerPrint Scanner as of now... It's just a gimmick to sell phones, for now, surely it could be useful but not With current tech... I have way MORE confidential and important things on my laptop than on my phone and still I do not have FingerPrint on it... Password is still a great way to protect yourself
The only things next flagships need are MORE Rom, MORE battery, USB 3.0... Stop...
Posted by Felimenta97
The fingerprint implementation by Apple is the best until now. Just put your finger in the button like you always do and it works wonderfully.
The one by Samsung, though, is trash... You have to press the button to turn the screen on, then swipe to make it try to recognize the fingerprint...
I think, if Sony does it just like Apple did (great implementation, nice design with it) I think Xperia devices could have it. If not, just leave it alone.
Posted by Xajel
The one by Samsung is crap, it reminds me of my old laptop which was useful for logging in to Windows... but with my new laptop ( which is already old ) I don't seems to miss anything...
Apple's implementation is better IMHO, but very sensitive in the other hand and can be broken easily with scratches and small accidents... so it's not practical for the long term...
If Sony can do it the same way as Apple implemented by in more sturdier and reliable way then It's okay for me...
Software should be better than Samsung also, Apple is nice though in this area...
Sony now is a position in which they should look for higher quality and no compromise...
Posted by Xajel
On 2014-03-05 13:59:16, CrownedAkuma wrote:
The only things next flagships need are MORE Rom, MORE battery, USB 3.0... Stop...
No thanks, I'm waiting for the next microUSB mobile standard, microUSB 3.0 (like in Note 3, S5 ) is not a good idea for mobile phones...
The next standard (called Type-C) will be as small as microUSB 2.0, as fast as USB 3.0, and finally it will be reversible.
The specifications should be finished by mid-year, So Sony will have sometimes to add it, I hope they support it...
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Posted by CrownedAkuma
On 2014-03-05 14:21:52, Xajel wrote:
On 2014-03-05 13:59:16, CrownedAkuma wrote:
The only things next flagships need are MORE Rom, MORE battery, USB 3.0... Stop...
No thanks, I'm waiting for the next microUSB mobile standard, microUSB 3.0 (like in Note 3, S5 ) is not a good idea for mobile phones...
The next standard (called Type-C) will be as small as microUSB 2.0, as fast as USB 3.0, and finally it will be reversible.
The specifications should be finished by mid-year, So Sony will have sometimes to add it, I hope they support it...
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Well if you say so, you are right! This is way better!
Posted by amirprog
to me, all fp scanners on the market are trash = not reliable. this is why i said either sony come with a new approach that really works or not bother. there are better features worth inventing on like mentioned.
Posted by Gitaroo
there fp scanners detect your pulse, I can think if you get robbed, the thief just chop your fingers off and take the phone so he can unlock the phones easily.
Posted by DexterMoser
What I don't like about the fingerprint as password is the fact that you'd leave your password everywhere then, everything you ever touched contains your password.
Where's the security in this?
Posted by rickrz
On 2014-03-05 16:34:29, Gitaroo wrote:
there fp scanners detect your pulse, I can think if you get robbed, the thief just chop your fingers off and take the phone so he can unlock the phones easily.
or he can just format the phone via pc, that will be much more easy and less painful
Posted by Gitaroo
On 2014-03-06 02:45:53, rickrz wrote:
On 2014-03-05 16:34:29, Gitaroo wrote:
there fp scanners detect your pulse, I can think if you get robbed, the thief just chop your fingers off and take the phone so he can unlock the phones easily.
or he can just format the phone via pc, that will be much more easy and less painful
not if he is actually want the stuffs inside or want to do a quick factory reset before you can use GPS tracking to track it.
Posted by DexterMoser
http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid
No need to chopping off bodyparts guys
Just scan the fingerprint, print it as described in the link above and put it on your finger, then you have a fake fingerprint with bodyheat and pulse.
Fingerprint as security is the dumbest thing possible.
Posted by hihihans
Finally someone who knows.
Posted by pattiobear
I read somewhere that fingerprints should be usernames, not passwords.
Posted by Smaug
An article on Xperia Blog with some tidbits on Xperia-related tech for those interested. You'll see some slides related to the Live Colour LED tech and others:
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]eadyshot-stabilisation-demoed/
One that caught my attention was the Z2 camera module. In an earlier discussion, we pondered whether the Xperia Z range had large top/bottom bezels due to the thickness of the camera while maintaining a symmetrical design. Judging from this photo, this hypothesis appears likely. If Sony were to fit it behind the screen, you would end up either with an unsightly bulge, or have to increase the thickness of the entire device to maintain an omni-balance appearance.
This rumoured Arc-like design could potentially hit two birds with one stone. Or, Sony could redesign the camera module to be thinner and keep the current flat XZ design. Some posters indicated they don't mind a slightly thicker phone anyway. Aside from the steady stream of hardware improvements in each new Xperia, the question becomes: is it time for a new design language, or does the flat glass slate-like design suffice?
Don't change what ain't broke? Or risk becoming stale like Samsung where consumers struggle to see tangible differences in each new model?
Posted by CrownedAkuma
On 2014-03-06 11:25:57, DexterMoser wrote:
http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid
No need to chopping off bodyparts guys
Just scan the fingerprint, print it as described in the link above and put it on your finger, then you have a fake fingerprint with bodyheat and pulse.
Fingerprint as security is the dumbest thing possible.
LOL... I never read this article... Go apple, bring on the future!
i should show this to someone with an iPhone 5s 8sadly I do not know anyone with it)
BTW...
what are these?
Posted by amirprog
@Smaug
one of the most unique things about sony is the design. there is no risk.
i'm sure a new arc design will look and feel as good if not better then omnibalance.
Posted by nikola1970
On 2014-03-06 13:51:09, CrownedAkuma wrote:
BTW...
what are these?
It's comparison between Z1 and Z2 speakers, and Z2 have 2 of these bigger.
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Posted by my ninja
^^ Speakers.
Posted by HxH
No one here is exciting with record wonder of Tegra K1 (near 44000 on antutu)
or did I just missed something?
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-03-06 17:50:51, HxH wrote:
No one here is exciting with record wonder of Tegra K1 (near 44000 on antutu)
or did I just missed something?
I am, BUT, it got that score at 3GHz, the final product will run at 2.5GHz, I'd like to see how it does when lowered 2.5.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
Does anyone actually care about bench mark performance in their phone I don't thats for sure. My Z1 is spot and I have never once thought that I wish it was that little bit faster. Just a quick question if anyone can answer is there currently any app or programme that requires a quadcore CPU to run it and what are the chances of the SD 800/801 ever using all 4 cores at maximum clock speed. Personally I think this whole CPU race is now getting a bit daft and is all about the numbers in benchmarks for the companies to say looks at us we get the highest score on Antutu so there for we are the best use our CPU's when in most cases the CPU is being tricked into reaching maximum performance and give out misleading benchmark results. The one thing Qualcomm, Samsung, Mediatek and Nvidia should focus on is energy efficiency from their CPU's that is something everyone can agree on as it will benift every single user rather than the power hungry people out there who need 3.0GHZ octacore CPU but will only last 12 hours or so before needing to re-charge the battery just so they can boast to their friends that their phone is more powerfull than a netbook or laptop.
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Posted by hihihans
It's already proven that benchmarks only show what a phone can be capable of in extreme situations. It says nothing about everyday use.
Posted by Wintermute
On 2014-03-06 18:12:01, XperiaJunkie wrote:
Does anyone actually care about bench mark performance in their phone I don't thats for sure. My Z1 is spot and I have never once thought that I wish it was that little bit faster. Just a quick question if anyone can answer is there currently any app or programme that requires a quadcore CPU to run it and what are the chances of the SD 800/801 ever using all 4 cores at maximum clock speed. Personally I think this whole CPU race is now getting a bit daft and is all about the numbers in benchmarks for the companies to say looks at us we get the highest score on Antutu so there for we are the best use our CPU's when in most cases the CPU is being tricked into reaching maximum performance and give out misleading benchmark results. The one thing Qualcomm, Samsung, Mediatek and Nvidia should focus on is energy efficiency from their CPU's that is something everyone can agree on as it will benift every single user rather than the power hungry people out there who need 3.0GHZ octacore CPU but will only last 12 hours or so before needing to re-charge the battery just so they can boast to their friends that their phone is more powerfull than a netbook or laptop.
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaJunkie on 2014-03-06 17:25 ]
Creating faster CPUs does help with energy efficiency. You can clock them lower and get the same amount of work done, and you can use bursts of high clockspeed and then "race to idle" where your power draw is lowest.
Besides, if I'm not mistaken, the display has the highest power consumption of any component on the phone, followed by the radios, and the SoC is only third place.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
One thing with the CPU that would help power consumption would a lower NM rating Qualcomm have being using 28NM based CPU's since the Snapdragon S4 which I think first made an appearance in the HTC One S which is now 2 years old surely Qualcomm are looking into a 22NM or 18NM semi conductor technology I don't know a lot about this but I do know that it can make a difference on power consumption how much I'm not sure though
by the way totally unrelated by Samsung lost their patent infringement case against Apple and told to pay a massive $930m on top of the $929.9m they paid them back in 2012. Will Samsung ever learn.
http://www.gsmarena.com/game_[....]sales_ban_denied-news-7978.php
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Posted by itsjustJOH
810 is rumored to have a 20 nm manufacturing process.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
^ Now that would be a big step in CPU development but still probably a year or so away
Posted by itsjustJOH
Rumored for H2 2014. Rumored, though.
Posted by XperiaJunkie
apparently Apple's A8 chip wiil have 20nm manufacturing process and be in the iPhone 6 in the Autumn so fingers crossed Qualcomm can do the same
Posted by Jubei1
On 2014-03-06 19:50:37, itsjustJOH wrote:
810 is rumored to have a 20 nm manufacturing process.
The 810 leaks were fake.