Posted by XperiaCute
On 2013-10-26 14:22:44, razec wrote:
I like 5 inch screen on small bezel smartphone
I like Xperia ZL bezel
I like "white magic" screen or TFT LCD
I like 1080P screen
I like BIONZ porcessor
I like G lens
I like 20mp
I don't like only led flash
I don,t like 1080p video 30fps
I like 1080 video 60fps
I like 3000 mah battery
I like timescape ui
I don,t like glass body
I like metal body
I like xperia p, z ultra z1, but, they are in the big bezel!
I like Xperia ZL bezel
I like "white magic" screen or TFT LCD
I like 1080P screen
I like BIONZ porcessor
I like G lens
I like 20mp
I don't like only led flash
I don,t like 1080p video 30fps
I like 1080 video 60fps
I like 3000 mah battery
I like timescape ui
I don,t like glass body
I like metal body
I like xperia p, z ultra z1, but, they are in the big bezel!
Guys I got confirmation from my friendly source who provided me the Z1 samples before, he gave me the first ever XR4/5 details about Z2,
- it's code named: Hanabi
- 2048*1536 CRT Screen Quadluminous!!!
- 208Mhz Philips Nexperia
- 64MB SDRAM
- Memory Stick Pro Duo
- ?Megapixel camera, Manual Focus (needs specialized magnifying glass for macro), compatible with MXE-60
- Unknown version of Android, dual boot with Symbian UIQ!!!
- 890maH Ni-MH battery!
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-10-26 13:23 ]
haha , you just have made nodarsixar's Day
.. he really love those bad jokes .. 
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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2013-10-26 14:02 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
What is hanabi?
it's fake
Posted by XperiaCute
News from japan ..
Published to Explore page Sony, new Japanese IME of "POBox Touch 6.2"
The 24th, SonyMobile has released a new feature introduction page Japanese IME that Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Z1 is a standard feature of "POBox Touch 6.2".
■ New features POBox Touch 6.2 are as follows:
To display possible the number keys in QWERTY keyboard
Support for "partial settlement" in the predictive
And customize to their liking in the "Easy Setup"
To be called a useful function in the flick
For more information please visit the following URL
http://content.sonymobile.jp/ad/menu/pobox/
Review : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1RTUTFRheg
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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2013-10-26 14:00 ]
Posted by -XYZ
I'm pretty sure that there are those of you lot, who seem to be operating outside the confines of reality and common logic. Its pretty hilarious, but also very misleading.
I really don't see the need for a WQHD screen on a smartphone. It would provide negligable improvement in sharpness, while raping battery life horribly and murdering the GPU, which would also lead to poor thermal characteristics and maybe even throttling to prevent the phone from vaporising itself and its unsuspecting owner.
Posted by razec
I don't see the point either, 1080 screens are more than plenty enough in fact there hasn't been real killer app that can properly use the enire screen state of a Full HD tablet screen, it's overkill to be honest, a 12" ultraportable with a mere 1366x768 resolution can do more tasks and are way more multitasking oriented than FullHD displays we have on our smartphones and tablets. seems to me everyone's being too obsessed with the retina hype without reflecting over things whether such tech does more harm than good
Posted by redhotiron
On 2013-10-26 16:55:02, -XYZ wrote:
I'm pretty sure that there are those of you lot, who seem to be operating outside the confines of reality and common logic. Its pretty hilarious, but also very misleading.
I really don't see the need for a WQHD screen on a smartphone. It would provide negligable improvement in sharpness, while raping battery life horribly and murdering the GPU, which would also lead to poor thermal characteristics and maybe even throttling to prevent the phone from vaporising itself and its unsuspecting owner.
And then maybe Superman would come flying to save our burning asses.
Wow, What an exaggeration
!
But, really you have a point there. I am really finding it irritating that instead of talking about the actual facts and figures/rumors. People here are talking about there dream mobiles. While I would like to see a 1080p screen on a 4.3-4.6 inch screen. I don't see the need or purpose for a 2k or 4k screen on such a small screen. Although, my gut feeling says that 2k or 4k mobiles would become a standard for phablets and tablets pretty soon(within a year or two).
As the manufacturing process would become smaller so will the battery consumption. We are at a stage where innovation and unique/new features are becoming a rarity. And Companies do want reach those specifications to attract customers who are already having more than what they actually need. I don't think that those specs would murder future GPU's with smaller manufacturing processes. Also snapdragon 800 is capable to handle 4k videos without any problem. At approximately the same battery usage level as 1k video for snapdragon 400 chipset(snapdragon 800 is much more efficient than 400 or 600 when it comes to battery utilization.
But, whatever the dynamics might be I still think that 4k resolutions would be useless for less than 5inch screens. Even if the chipset might be capable of handling those with ease.
Anyways, these things are just fictitious and my main pupose here is to know and talk about the actual rumors. Posts like 4k video IPS etc really don't have a purpose other than wasting time for the people like us!
[ This Message was edited by: redhotiron on 2013-10-26 17:17 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
Yes, 5.4 inch Japan screen is big for phablet!
5.4 inch is not smartphone's screen!
max size smartphone screen is 5.2 inch and more is phablet!
6.2 WQHD screen - Z1 ultra????
5.4 WQHD screen - note?????
I say
Xperia Z2 has 5 inch screen
Xperia Z3 has 5 inch screen
Posted by supercoolman
On 2013-10-26 14:22:44, razec wrote:
I like 5 inch screen on small bezel smartphone
I like Xperia ZL bezel
I like "white magic" screen or TFT LCD
I like 1080P screen
I like BIONZ porcessor
I like G lens
I like 20mp
I don't like only led flash
I don,t like 1080p video 30fps
I like 1080 video 60fps
I like 3000 mah battery
I like timescape ui
I don,t like glass body
I like metal body
I like xperia p, z ultra z1, but, they are in the big bezel!
I like Xperia ZL bezel
I like "white magic" screen or TFT LCD
I like 1080P screen
I like BIONZ porcessor
I like G lens
I like 20mp
I don't like only led flash
I don,t like 1080p video 30fps
I like 1080 video 60fps
I like 3000 mah battery
I like timescape ui
I don,t like glass body
I like metal body
I like xperia p, z ultra z1, but, they are in the big bezel!
Guys I got confirmation from my friendly source who provided me the Z1 samples before, he gave me the first ever XR4/5 details about Z2,
- it's code named: Hanabi
- 2048*1536 CRT Screen Quadluminous!!!
- 208Mhz Philips Nexperia
- 64MB SDRAM
- Memory Stick Pro Duo
- ?Megapixel camera, Manual Focus (needs specialized magnifying glass for macro), compatible with MXE-60
- Unknown version of Android, dual boot with Symbian UIQ!!!
- 890maH Ni-MH battery!
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-10-26 13:23 ]
so for some reason designers nose bleeding to death? must be a joke lol
Posted by yuunanase
This is not hanabi! This is Paris!
Posted by nodarsixar
New info
sony new flagship event 07.01.2014 08:30AM CES
new flagship
smartphone
5 inch \"white magic\" 1080 446ppi
APQ8074AB 2.3ghz ,adreno 330
3GB RAM
20.7mp camera , 4K video
3200 mah battery
Posted by king-james
Nodar go sleep until next announcement please.
Posted by rency0722
The next flagship I suggest to make use of:
1. Display. Yes we need IPS tech on the display. I'll go for a little bit of adding cost just to have a better display for the next flagship.
2. Retain 1080p full HD screens. Going up means more battery hogger.
3. Battery. Up ante the battery for 3200 mAh if they can.
4. Camera Sensor. Retain to 1/2.3" or develop even 1/2" inch for better quality
5. OIS. Yes. We need that Optical Steadyshot for future iteration to avoid video cropping
6. Better BIONZ image processing engine on improvement when it comes to low-light photography
7. Use the Xenon flash now, or develop a xenon flash as an add-on (better to insert it in the earphone plug and sync it with the camera, just like the iBlazr)
8. If no Xenon flash, use Dual LED flash.
9. Maintain its bulkiness. Current Z1's thickness is almost good.
10. Add more mics, or use the HAAC mics just like Nokia's.
11. Retain 1080p video recording, but if they could use pixel binning tech on videos, why not. Just like an ability to record 4K and downsizing to 1080p with no quality changes.
12. Put that goddamn 1080p/60 video recording.
13. H.265. This is the future of video recording (well I know Qualcomm's SoCs are now being developed in this area)
14. Add more video codec for Movies app. Qualcomm SoCs do support almost many video codecs, why does Sony can't allow all.
15. Full Manual camera controls, PASM. I know it is know being developed by Sony and we'll just wait for their bomb to drop)
16. TransferJet tech and make it built-in. Sony made this tech and although some people bashed this as the "IrDA of the future", this tech can utilize transfer speeds faster than WiFi direct.
17. Make use of stereo speakers on the bottom part of the Z1. Current one has only one speaker on the leftmost portion.
18. Infrared for other appliance's control. This may support all Sony gadgets like TV, Stereo, PlayStation, etc.
[ This Message was edited by: rency0722 on 2013-10-27 02:39 ]
Posted by razec
Okay guys let's hope Kaz is reading this thread
Posted by sami92a
Offtopic: i´ve started to watch a series called "the blacklist" and its all Sony sponsored
from the computers to the screens and the phones.. everything
Posted by supercoolman
when the rumour thread is filled with wishlist...
Posted by amirprog
A NEW prototype of JDI's 5.2 inch FHD 423 ppi WRGB (whitemagic) OLED display: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcC8wWk0wx0
looks amazing! the colors tones look very accurate to me, and very bright and sharp screen, very high ppi for OLED, unlike other OLED displays... and i bet that viewing angles are very wide 
but said to be in mass production only from april so probably only for a 2015 device. 
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-27 08:17 ]
Posted by randomuser
^
That's cuz it's WhiteMagic OLED
Posted by amirprog
talking about whitemagic, look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7n14U6I6W8
not the same display, but it shows how WRBG cuts the power consumption in up to 50% in comparison to RBG while the image quality stays the same. they seem to improve in this over what in the xperia p.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-27 10:08 ]
Posted by Xajel
^^^
Maybe, maybe just my guessing...
In normal OLED, when you want pure white all sub-pixels will work the R, G & B will all work, so If the White magic does have a dedicated white sub-pixel...
So in WhiteMagic, if you want pure white, you only need one sub-pixel to run rather than three sub-pixels in normal R, G & B... that's 77% power reduction just for showing white color per pixel... in normal OLED running White actually consume more power than LCD panels...
So if the White Magic in OLED was a single sub-pixel for white rather than additional sub-pixels then it will reduce the power consumption... then it should consume lower power than LCD in full white...
Posted by Wishmaster89
Who knows, maybe those 5,2 inch OLED screens will end up in 2nd half 2014 flagship model along with fast wireless charging
Posted by Xajel
@randomuser, any changes to the 1 flagship per year starting from 2014 ?
Posted by amirprog
On 2013-10-27 14:22:11, Wishmaster89 wrote:
Who knows, maybe those 5,2 inch OLED screens will end up in 2nd half 2014 flagship model along with fast wireless charging
Yeah, if sony announce Z1 successor at CES or MWC, and let's be honest, they will - they can't skip two MAJOR tech/mobile shows without announcement of highend device, then the OLED display might be ready for IFA device, if not then CES 2015...
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-27 13:50 ]
Posted by Wishmaster89
Unless they manage to do what Samsung has done till now with their SoC's - announce mass production from april and in may release device using this particular SoC. Possible, but would require from Sony very tight scheduling and priority from JDI.
This would mean that as Samsung is using only their in-house screens, Sony would use only JDI screens so no screen lottery. Win-win situation for all
Posted by randomuser
On 2013-10-27 14:41:40, Xajel wrote:
@randomuser, any changes to the 1 flagship per year starting from 2014 ?
Nope, 2 flagships per year plan continues
Posted by mzr7
On 2013-10-27 15:05:57, randomuser wrote:
Nope, 2 flagships per year plan continues
Please tell me by that you mean one phablet and one normal sized flagship?
Anyway timing will remain the same? as Z and Z1?
Posted by amirprog
On 2013-10-27 14:51:18, Wishmaster89 wrote:
Unless they manage to do what Samsung has done till now with their SoC's - announce mass production from april and in may release device using this particular SoC. Possible, but would require from Sony very tight scheduling and priority from JDI.
This would mean that as Samsung is using only their in-house screens, Sony would use only JDI screens so no screen lottery. Win-win situation for all
Yeah, anyway, natural evolution in the Z line displays should be: WRBG 5 inch FHD LCD>WRBG 5.2 FHD OLED> that 5.4 inch WQHD with 5** ppi LCD (with thin bezels to preserve smaller dimensions). but i doubt sony will jump to OLED and then back to LCD, maybe that 5.4 inch will have OLED version later, or they will just stick to 5.2 inch display for that line.
Posted by Wishmaster89
Using 5.2" screen even IPS when all other are going to use it will only be catching up, but releasing OLED 5.2" screen where the rest will be stuck with IPS or SAMOLED(Samsung) will be aiming for no. 1 so IMO 'natural evolution' as you're calling it is not enough but unfortunately possible.
Posted by amirprog
On 2013-10-27 17:59:17, Wishmaster89 wrote:
Using 5.2" screen even IPS when all other are going to use it will only be catching up, but releasing OLED 5.2" screen where the rest will be stuck with IPS or SAMOLED(Samsung) will be aiming for no. 1 so IMO 'natural evolution' as you're calling it is not enough but unfortunately possible.
When i look at OLED from samsung i think it's better to choose IPS as of now - that 5 inch WRBG LCD from JDI is IPS if i'm not wrong, and that's a good thing IMO. in my eyes OLED of samsung miss natural color tones and brightness and they got that greenish tint. so jumping to a new thing fast is not necessarily a good thing. IMO the G2, HTC one and Iphone 5s got the best displays on the market overall, all of them are IPS. also the new nokia lumia 1520 phablet looks great and it's also IPS. sony needs to listen better to reviewers and consumers that demand better viewing angles. the best answer for that is higher quality IPS screen, not current OLED.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-27 18:05 ]
Posted by Wishmaster89
On 2013-10-27 18:24:50, amirprog wrote:
When i look at OLED from samsung i think it's better to choose IPS as of now - that 5 inch WRBG LCD from JDI is IPS if i'm not wrong, and that's a good thing IMO. in my eyes OLED of samsung miss natural color tones and brightness and they got that greenish tint. so jumping to a new thing fast is not necessarily a good thing. IMO the G2, HTC one and Iphone 5s got the best displays on the market overall, all of them are IPS. also the new nokia lumia 1520 phablet looks great and it's also IPS.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-27 17:26 ]
You're mixing OLED (organic light emitting diode) with SAMOLED (super active matrix organic light emitting diode) from Samsung, those are different technologies. For comparison PS Vita is using OLED screen and it's pure joy to look at without strange tints and with very accurate calibration. I'm not saying that IPS is bad, on the contrary I think that it's very good but if there's something better right around the corner why not use it?
Posted by amirprog
@Wishmaster89
Yes, by saying OLED i ment AMOLED or SAMOLED but it's still OLED, just inferior one.
i think that sony doesn't choose OLED for now because they are not satisfied with it's performance for what smartphones demand. the PS Vita is not a smartphone so let's put it aside, and they are not making it with OLED display anymore anyway, but IPS. there are probably some issues with current OLED that prevent sony from implementing it on SMARTPHONES. cost issues? takes too much battery life? who knows? they are probably also looking at samsung OLED and are not satisfied by what they bring, but on the other hand, they don't do their best in choosing a higher quality display (mostly in terms of viewing angles) like LG, HTC, APPLE and NOKIA does, for some reason.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-27 19:15 ]
Posted by rss_ndrsn
@wishmaster
I do not want to reinstate again that the SAMOLED is OLED. OLED is just a general term like LCD. In fact, SAMOLED and the PS Vita's screen belong to a type of OLED screen with active-matrix addressing scheme called AMOLED. All of the smartphones' screens you can find today are AMOLED. Yes, these screens may have different specs but they still are OLED! So amirprog isnt really mixing things up. He just saying that the OLED technology of Samsung called SAMOLED is not any better to IPS.
Posted by motvikt
Oboy I think that means it is time for esato's annual oled VS amoled discussion.
I will start the soon to be heated discussion by saying it is the same thing. Samsung even makes the vita oled screen (oh no he didn't)
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2013-10-27 18:38 ]
Posted by sami92a
Oled Vs Amoled
happens a few times a year
Posted by Wishmaster89
If so, I'm going to admit I was mistaken and am going to broaden my knowledge in this subject. End of discussion
But I still think that Sony should go with JDI's RGBW OLED rather than sticking with IPS, with proper calibration it should not only offer good, saturated colors but high brightness which should come in handy in direct sunlight.
Posted by motvikt
On 2013-10-27 20:26:24, Wishmaster89 wrote:
If so, I'm going to admit I was mistaken and am going to broaden my knowledge in this subject. End of discussion
But I still think that Sony should go with JDI's RGBW OLED rather than sticking with IPS, with proper calibration it should not only offer good, saturated colors but high brightness which should come in handy in direct sunlight.
Well played sir. Completely agree on RGBW OLED also, I think the problem is getting that in big volumes though
Posted by MartenR
I wish they manage to make an OLED-LED hybrid; I mean every pixel uses RGB filterless OLED and a white LED but I guess it would cause some unification issue. I also think they should make their UI's colors use the larger color gamut but keep everything else natural. It would be awesome if they manage to make an energy saving UI with dark colors.
btw I feel so innovative right now.
Posted by Wishmaster89
On 2013-10-27 20:31:18, motvikt wrote:
Well played sir. Completely agree on RGBW OLED also, I think the problem is getting that in big volumes though
Didn't want to start any kind of war
Probably, but every problem can be sorted out.
But if that video showing prototype of JDI's screen is in any kind informative then those screens should offer full RGBW matrix without any kind of pentile like on current samsung screens, which should be quite nice.
On 2013-10-27 20:35:55, MartenR wrote:
It would be awesome if they manage to make an energy saving UI with dark colors.
Microsoft did it with their metro UI. Some of their first devices were using AMOLED screens.
But remember that people like having choice so one will like his UI black and one will prefer his UI colorful - that is why iphone is using IPS screens, no matter what you're displaying, the screen uses similar amount of power.
Posted by razec
Sony can use OLED if they wanted, I mean look at their cameras, even their Camera EVFs are now OLED, their cybershot compacts also use one, their Vita has one and many more. I don't really care whatever display tech my smartphone is using provided that I get the satisfying quality that I yearn for. I don't see the point bringing ourselves into pitting those display techs as if we were the ones who produced the thing.
Posted by yuunanase
I thought that the reason why they are not using oled is because they are not waterproof? FYI, the screen sony is currently using cost double samsung or htc.
Posted by amirprog
On 2013-10-28 05:43:01, razec wrote:
Sony can use OLED if they wanted, I mean look at their cameras, even their Camera EVFs are now OLED, their cybershot compacts also use one, their Vita has one and many more. I don't really care whatever display tech my smartphone is using provided that I get the satisfying quality that I yearn for. I don't see the point bringing ourselves into pitting those display techs as if we were the ones who produced the thing.
Then allow me to decide for you, you will get more quality from LCD IPS, as of now. if OLED was so good RIGHT NOW then samsung wouldn't be the only company to really use it in more then 1 device, and even they are still using more LCD's then OLED's in most of their devices if i'm not mistaken.
@yuunanase
In general, i read the opposite, that OLED costs more to manufacture then LCD. that is said to be the reason for why sony stopped using OLED for PS Vita. also, OLED is harder to manufacture. that's what i read. Well, then if sony spend more money on the Z1 display then i would expect to see their efforts to show off better. i'm more impressed OVERALL with their rivals LCD display, not that i will buy a phone just for it's display, but if the Z1 screen was so good then there would not be units with different viewing angles visibility. some people do care about this and sony shouldn't ignore that, and please, don't tell me that all the consumers and reviewers who complain about viewing angles are liars. this is one of the common topic in every Z1 forum and mobile site i read. on the bright side, the Z1 screen is still a good screen and improved over the Z, so it's a progress, so sony should address this more in the Z1 successor. they are slow but steady it seems.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-28 12:05 ]
Posted by apolloa
OLED is great with lovely colours, but it doesn't last as long as an LCD screen from what I have read? If they can develop the tech to be as resilient as LCD then it would be a better screen tech I think?
Posted by razec
What about refresh rates? I believe part of why Sony chooses OLED for EVFs on existing alpha/NEX cameras is because of this. Don't get me wrong guys I'm not trying to debate with anyone here I want to be educated to say the least. Some of you knows this stuff more than I do
Posted by DACHA
Where will Sony fit in? Most likely not in the top 3!
Posted by MartenR
The value of the sales for Sony is more important than number of the units sold.
Is Q3 report out yet?
[ This Message was edited by: MartenR on 2013-10-29 02:27 ]
Posted by >500
I've noticed handset sale numbers are posted in the rumor thread every time they become available. Why exactly is this? They are NOT rumors.
Please discuss them in the general Sony section: http://www.esato.com/board/viewforum.php?forum=2
[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2013-10-29 06:30 ]
Posted by itsjustJOH
^Well we really need something to talk about, as it seems rumors and leaks would be much less for this year.
Posted by amirprog
@razec
there is incorrection in the "smartphone rumors" section - "Z2, the Z1's 2014 successor, 5.2" 1920x1080 IPS screen Page 10" - he never said 5.2 inch, he just said that the Z2 will have IPS screen. please correct.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-29 14:31 ]
Posted by razec
On 2013-10-29 15:30:03, amirprog wrote:
@razec
there is incorrection in the "smartphone rumors" section - "Z2, the Z1's 2014 successor, 5.2" 1920x1080 IPS screen Page 10" - he never said 5.2 inch, he just said that the Z2 will have IPS screen. please correct.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-29 14:31 ]
That post was updated (Page 10 came earlier than the updated info the scoop was from mikulugiuniu) The updated info came from this quote on Page 16:
On 2013-10-26 01:00:02, huiyi wrote:
On 2013-10-25 15:40:00, nodarsixar wrote:
is it Xperia Z1's international mini version Xperia Z1S? Or, when is xperia z1 mini event global market?
Huiyi is a trusted source within the forum so it's classified under XR4
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-10-29 14:57 ]
Posted by amirprog
@razec
Ok, that is even better news, i hope it's true.
Posted by razec
No worries mate, I appreciate the concerns
thanks for the feedback
Still waiting for the real scoops to come
I do hope Sony would also touch the modular phone concept. its about time that we see real innovations. to be honest there hasn't been a revolutionary innovation on mobile technology since the advent of iPhones/Droids. fingerprint scanners and flexible screens be darned, they're uninteresting to say the least
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-10-29 16:32 ]