Posted by Xajel
I agree with @Away & @>500
The point is from my side is Smartphones doesn't need more than 1080p, the pixels are small enough to be nearly impossible to see in a 5" device with that resolution...
but in tablets, resolution like 2K is possible duo to large screen... but only for high-end side... tablets rest closer to the eyes than a TV or computer screen so 2K or 4K will benefit here but smartphones no way.. waste of money, processing power and battery life !!
Posted by josephnero
4k on SD800 is plain stupid.be it AB or AC pin.it would be like first gen HD performance.Damn Samsung and some others for only caring for marketing tricks.
Posted by Tizzo
What are your thoughts guys? http://www.sforum.vn/2014/02/[....]se-co-vien-man-hinh-sieu-mong/
Posted by Tizzo
Is it possible that all the leaked images seen up until now were from.a prototype of the supposed Z2. Could the final design have changed with the small bezel shown in the link above?
Posted by goldenface
It looks quite big.
Posted by amirprog
Could this be the rumored canopus with 5" display high-end sidekick? no dual speakers grills - this is not the Z2 (or however the flagship will be called) IMO. also, it doesn't seem waterproof by looking at the design. sony likes to design thine profile for the flagships.
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Posted by Tizzo
Image source http://moumantai.biz/?pid=71431087
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Posted by goldenface
Not sure how anyone can tell if it's waterproof or not just by looking at the screen unit above but waterproofing is not something Sony wants to drop on it's high-end Xperias right now. It's a big differentiator from other brands.
Posted by amirprog
@goldenface
All waterproof phones don't have small bezels so i assume there is a reason for that + sony likes to design thine profile for flagships + the rumored Z2 by irimas from XDA and the leaked pics from digi-wo... it has dual speakers + the previous leaked pics before announcement had a final design. take z1 leaked pics for example...
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Posted by maiaramdan
On 2014-02-20 13:14:28, goldenface wrote:
Not sure how anyone can tell if it's waterproof or not just by looking at the screen unit above but waterproofing is not something Sony wants to drop on it's high-end Xperias right now. It's a big differentiator from other brands.
Maybe Sony will return the ZL with every even number Z iteration, and then we are now watching the ZL2
Posted by motvikt
The source says its sirius?
Posted by HxH
I don't see anything wrong with it, Sony is make combination of Z & ZL together as Z1 minor change under name Z2
Last year XZL is named Odin/C650x, the coming Sirius has D650x and save D690x for the year end maybe?
All I hope is final design will keep dual front speaker, unless I'd like to keep Nozomi for next several months.
Posted by amirprog
xperia z2 ultra is "in the works" "may be shown at MWC": http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]peria-z2-and-xperia-z2-tablet/
IMO it's surely in the works but way too early to be announced... what do you think? they should wait for s805 release and implement it for next ultra, definitely not release it with s800. would be pointless.
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Posted by itsjustJOH
Something extraordinary is coming from Sony...
Meanwhile, T-Mobile Netherlands reveal week 11 release for Sony "i1-II".
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Posted by amirprog
This is another confirmation that the upcoming flagship will be named "xperia Z2" (one of several new cases and screen protector for the Z2): http://www.amazon.com/PROTECT[....]=8-2&keywords=xperia+z2+spigen
btw, spigen has really good cases (the ultra thine leather once), but i wish they offer more for xperia phones. maybe Z2 will get their attention once sony sells more and more phones with every new flagship, already several Z2 cases, nice.
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Posted by jjjajjj
Hmmmmm i1
Posted by HxH
It seem the upcoming flagships come up with dual two-tone flash solution, same as iPhone 5s.
Sirius could be a half-step behind competition? but I hope not.
Posted by itsjustJOH
Any more rumors and leaks, please?
Posted by amirprog
@HxH
Maybe it is because they release a flagship per half a year. maybe they have too much single LED chips and they want to use it before they order dual LED chips? when will they stop this? i hope soon. they either need to announce the flagship at MWC or at IFA. they need to take more time to release more mature flagships. i still don't really understand what is that strategy good for? and why they keep doing that? no one seem to really know. mystery.
instead of flagship per half a year they need to do what samsung is doing: 5"+ flagship and phablet flagship.
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Posted by kurtdean
I hope sony will surprise us at MWC with a new and final design of SIRIUS and not like the prototype that leaked ealier
Posted by BenLing
More Sony Xperia G D5103 Specs
Android 4.4.1 KitKat
HD 1280x720 5.2"
Quad Core 1.4GHz
Snapdragon 400
Adreno 305
1GB RAM
8GB Internal Storage
8MP HDR
Front 1.3MP
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Posted by kurtdean
@benling
WOW!!!
5.2 inch display but smaller than z1 and same size as z? that's insane!
Posted by itsjustJOH
Ooh, like a Z2 Lite.
Edit: Just thought of it, this could be Xperia C1 or C2.
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Posted by amirprog
It is about G2's dimensions if true. so this is sony's answer for people who wants very thine bezel but don't mind the mid-range specs. nice.
Posted by HxH
@amir
could be something like that, but other theory is Sony might save the dual two-tones LED for latter half true flagship.
Sirius maybe called as flagship for many, but I think it only Z1's minor change/refresh.
Posted by kurtdean
Something wrong with xperiablog. They showed old posts instead of new ones
Posted by amirprog
@HxH
Releasing a refresh while naming it "Z2" is just wrong. some call it a lie. name it "Z1 something" then, but no, they name it "Z2". they should not announce any flagship or refresh and instead work on camera processing and bugs and release faster the android versions for people who bought Z1 and show how well Z1 camera can stand against the new flagships. lower the Z1 price, support your consumer who bought your flagship just less the half a year ago instead of announcing a new one just because others announcing their flagships! you don't see LG announce a new flagship even though they announced the G2 before the Z1. now they are just fixing Z1 hardware shortcomings like no IPS display, a bit better camera processing which they should introduce to Z1 update, not to a new flagship and trying to make the camera look new - it's the same sensor! etc. they need to eat what they baked for Z1 and put major support for it while working on Q3-4 announcement. we all agree that they need one flagship per year but they think they are smarter.
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Posted by randomuser
Well said amir
From what it seems now, there won't be any "major" camera update for the Z1 ever.
Posted by northmonkey
On 2014-02-22 16:04:22, randomuser wrote:
Well said amir
From what it seems now, there won't be any "major" camera update for the Z1 ever.
It was never gonna happen, just false rumours, even the Z2 probably won't have a camera update, it will be the same as Z1.
Posted by ascariss
As it was mentioned, speculated, guessed, or pure BS, whichever, it is probably the imaging division that is holding the camera back on the Z1.
Posted by BenLing
On 2014-02-22 15:42:53, kurtdean wrote:
Something wrong with xperiablog. They showed old posts instead of new ones
yeah,i PM them,they are working on it...
Posted by motvikt
Xperia G looks extremely interesting. I hoping for and IPS-screen as well and we have a bestseller
Posted by HxH
@amir
LG has announced \"G Pro 2\" as key device in phablet realm
it can considering as 2014 first half flagship and will follow with the next iteration G3.
About Z1's camera update, I don't really understand what they thinking to put it on hold as well, compact digital is dead-end Sony should quit and focus more on mobile experience while keep pushing boundaries of RX-series and Alpha-series together.
Anyway, I'm thinking about to get \"Elvis 1020\" when it get more bargain price.
Posted by vikeviki
Xperia G sounds competitor to Moto G( upcoming Lenovo brand)
Posted by CrownedAkuma
On 2014-02-22 18:22:43, HxH wrote:
@amir
LG has announced "G Pro 2" as key device in phablet realm
it can considering as 2014 first half flagship and will follow with the next iteration G3.
About Z1's camera update, I don't really understand what they thinking to put it on hold as well, compact digital is dead-end Sony should quit and focus more on mobile experience while keep pushing boundaries of RX-series and Alpha-series together.
Anyway, I'm thinking about to get "Elvis 1020" when it get more bargain price.
It has the same specs as the Note 3 pratically... s800, 3 GB Ram... more or less the same but without the S-Pen... best Phablet is still Note 3 hands down!
They also announced the LG G2 mini... obviously it is a LOT DOWNGRADED.... as of now the Z1 Compact is still the king in small size market
Posted by Tsepz_GP
I get the feeling most other OEMs will not bother trying to compete with the Xperia Z1 Compact, they will continue to make "Minis" that are heavily downgraded and simply squeeze the Compact out on price, while riding on the flagships name, with 'Mini' at the end.
Sony NEED to market the sh*# out the Z1 Compact and educate the consumer on what they are missing out on.
Posted by CrownedAkuma
On 2014-02-22 18:45:16, Tsepz_GP wrote:
I get the feeling most other OEMs will not bother trying to compete with the Xperia Z1 Compact, they will continue to make "Minis" that are heavily downgraded and simply squeeze the Compact out on price, while riding on the flagships name, with 'Mini' at the end.
Sony NEED to market the sh*# out the Z1 Compact and educate the consumer on what they are missing out on.
+1
I think you are right... this time they should be VERY aggressive with marketing... they have an Ace in their hand and they need to use it!!
Posted by amirprog
@randomuser
Thanks. as sony fans we got to criticize sony, we are not sheeps.
@HxH
You are totally wrong about comparing lg (or samsung, or htc, etc.) strategy to sony's. they wisely announce a second flagship which is a phablet - different line, unlike sony. huge difference. no company but sony announce the same flagship line every half a year. not only that, they do mistake on mistake by naming it Z2 even though it's a refresh which should have never been announced anyway.
@Tsepz_GP
+1
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Posted by Wintermute
Please, Sony's smartphone sales have improved dramatically over the past year. They're doing something right. A lot of Galaxy S3 owners I know didn't care to skip the S4 because it wasn't much of an upgrade, and they only release ONE of those in a year. I don't think Z1 owners are going to be pissed off when they release Z2. At any rate, if something isn't broken, don't fix it.
Posted by -XYZ
Sony still have a confused lineup and sometimes, questionable Software chops. Fundamentally though, they make attractive products, that look nice and are well built. Even down to the low end. Only disappointments include poor screens, poor camera software, and inconsistant software support and slow update schedules (seriously, where is 4.4?)
Posted by motvikt
On 2014-02-22 18:49:56, amirprog wrote:
@randomuser
Thanks. as sony fans we got to criticize sony, we are not sheeps.
@HxH
You are totally wrong about comparing lg (or samsung, or htc, etc.) strategy to sony's. they wisely announce a second flagship which is a phablet - different line, unlike sony. huge difference. no company but sony announce the same flagship line every half a year. not only that, they do mistake on mistake by naming it Z2 even though it's a refresh which should have never been announced anyway.
@Tsepz_GP
+1
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-22 18:18 ]
The thing is z1 was a rushed product. Bad screen and weird design choices (it is huge). The Z2 seems to be what the Z1 should have been from the start. Hopefully z2 will be the flagship for the whole year
Posted by itsjustJOH
Sony said something extraordinary is coming, yet all we know are refreshed devices. I hope they really have something "extraordinary" under their sleeve.
Posted by amirprog
@motvikt
I agree about what Z1 should have been but not about the Z2 as a flagship for the whole year. sony is doing mistake on mistake. now they will have to correct again by announcing a new flagship at IFA cause Z2 spec won't hold them for a whole year in terms of new tech and prestige. they will have to rush the development of Z3 with s805, dual LED, maybe the bigger sensor that was supposed to be in Z1 (and Z2), etc.
no other company release 2 of the same form factor flagships with the same processor (s800) even though it a newer version - but it's more of the same).
Posted by Wintermute
You keep saying they're making "mistake on mistake," but what exactly IS the mistake they're making? Can you articulate it? I don't think we know the business better than Sony does, and their sales have gotten much better over the last year. What exactly is the downside to a Z1 refresh? You might say that it irritates consumers who bought the Z1, but they've been doing two flagships a year and there's no evidence that it's hurting them. All we get is a better Z1 until the new big daddy phone comes out around IFA.
Posted by supercoolman
with "there is always a better phone right around the corner", I don't ses too much of an issue for a flagship every 6 months unless device is no longer supported when the next flagship arrives.
Posted by maloqs
As I know Sony will not improve their prototype phone which I felt very disappointed,it always still the same bugs,similar software and especially hardware as the prototype phone does.
Posted by hei
Maybe Sony is planning to follow the Intel tick-tock model?
Like Z1 was a big leap, Z2 would be Z1 + improvement/stability, then Z3 would be a big leap again.
Not so easy to consistently have great leap with 6mth or less than 1 year product cycle, features would end up half baked...
So then choose odd/even models depending on user.
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Posted by mzr7
On 2014-02-23 04:47:38, hei wrote:
Maybe Sony is planning to follow the Intel tick-tock model?
Like Z1 was a big leap, Z2 would be Z1 + improvement/stability, then Z3 would be a big leap again.
Not so easy to consistently have great leap with 6mth or less than 1 year product cycle, features would end up half baked...
So then choose odd/even models depending on user.
[ This Message was edited by: hei on 2014-02-23 03:49 ]
As done by apple but yearly. This is a good idea tbh.
Posted by goldenface
Hardly any leaks this time around. Z2 tab image and another DoCoMo screen is all we have.
Posted by Xajel
On 2014-02-23 04:47:38, hei wrote:
Maybe Sony is planning to follow the Intel tick-tock model?
Like Z1 was a big leap, Z2 would be Z1 + improvement/stability, then Z3 would be a big leap again.
Not so easy to consistently have great leap with 6mth or less than 1 year product cycle, features would end up half baked...
So then choose odd/even models depending on user.
[ This Message was edited by: hei on 2014-02-23 03:49 ]
They're already doing this long time ago, remember Xperia arc -> Xperia arc S, Xperia S -> Xperia SL
the problem we have as customers is the short shelf life of these devices as they have only 6 months...
Samsung has 1 year cycle, they don't have any upgraded versions...
Apple have 2 years cycle, they release the phone, the other year they release S version, next, the major upgrade...
Apple has two years to introduce larger upgrades to their phones, they have 1 year to upgrade it and fill the market as 2 years is too long for some peoples, but for some other's it's perfect ( to those who have a 2 years contract with their carrier )
Sony in the other hand, have 1 flaggy per year, with upgraded version after 6 months, this seems nice but it's bad... the owner of the original flaggy won't be happy as their devices will become old after only 6 months ( that's if they bought it directly after launch, some waits 1 - 2 months to have the second patch )
This pattern also have one major drawback: less support for both the original flaggy and the upgraded one... having two flagships mean that the support and software engineer must work on two devices in the same time.. and as usual the marketing will give the newer devices higher priority than the original device !! Sony is already slow compared to other manufacturers in the update side.. and their product release schedule slows them more...
All of us here agreed that the best move for Sony is to cancel the half upgrade this, and make 1 flagship per year with Q4 launch to match the seasons ( September / October is good, the production will be ramped enough till the season comes )... this will give the device long time to be developed and fixed + might be able to have much better supply for it guaranteeing the best quality.. and because there will be no another high-end there... the software engineering will have more time working on fixing any software issue and be able to accelerate adaptation of newer Android versions also...