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Posted by amirprog
About tablet Z2, i was expecting 32gb internal. all other specs are expected, also, wouldn't a tablet make a good use from 4gb of ram?
about Z2, irimas from XDA says that his prototype doesn't have a shatter film and also someone here and in digi-wo said sony logo is printed on the glass itself, these 2 things are good sign for no shatter film for retail version. nice sony.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-17 14:56 ]



Posted by HxH
Can you understand that Apple has super excellence supply chain that squeeze out every single penny of investment?

While Sony and other companies (even Samsung) NOT!

That's why Apple is stay ahead of other companies as well, for example that iPhone 4 Retina Display (launch in 2010), they got ahead before anyone else (ppi competition) for sake of two years.

Don't bullshit.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-02-17 16:15 ]


Posted by itsjustJOH
Can't we argue without being rude?

Posted by goldenface
This ^

Posted by Away
Wait, so the one with the better supply chain gets the better displays - duh.

So, in other words, you're defending the fact that they don't have as good a supply chain? And we should feel sorry for them or something for not having as good a supply chain? That the consumer should empathise with them?

Explain how Amazon got an even better display then with LTPS? Low units, but still. Explain the lack of a QHD display (rumoured)? (I reserve judgement until at least it's unveiled, but since we have a Sony representative available, might a well take the opportunity to find out).

Sony used to set a lot of trends. Li-on batteries to VAIO Z. The latter shows they show their bright spark occasionally. The Tablet Z was unmatched until the very end of last year. They didn't capitalise on its success. And when they've put even further emphasis on smartphones and tablets since then, I, and every consumer doesn't care how it happens, we want it to happen. A good display, good battery life, etc.

Again, I am not judging yet, at least until it's unveiled. And then until I see it. The consumer wants a good battery life - the consumer doesn't care if it comes with a 6000 mAh battery or a 16000 mAh battery, igzo or not igzo, efficient or inefficient processor. It's the end result that matters. The same with display quality, fluidity, durability etc.

In other words, you're point about the supply chain doesn't really carry any weight. Because if it does, you're implying Sony have an excuse to be beaten by the competition. They don't.

(I'll say it again, I'm reserving judgement until I see it, and I know it's going to be the best tablet in many ways for a long time, but I can't stand apologists).




Posted by Gitaroo

On 2014-02-17 17:13:41, HxH wrote:
Can you understand that Apple has super excellence supply chain that squeeze out every single penny of investment?

While Sony and other companies (even Samsung) NOT!

That's why Apple is stay ahead of other companies as well, for example that iPhone 4 Retina Display (launch in 2010), they got ahead before anyone else (ppi competition) for sake of two years.

Don't bullshit.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-02-17 16:15 ]



pretty sure there was 720p phone released in the same year as iphone 4.

Posted by xell

On 2014-02-17 19:05:40, Gitaroo wrote:
pretty sure there was 720p phone released in the same year as iphone 4.

A 720p phone in 2010? Even qHD was rare back then and WVGA the norm.
[ This Message was edited by: xell on 2014-02-17 19:08 ]


Posted by ascariss

On 2014-02-17 19:05:40, Gitaroo wrote:

pretty sure there was 720p phone released in the same year as iphone 4.


I don't think so, I could be wrong, but according to gsmarena, the first 720p phone was the Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket HD I757, january 2012. Most 720p devices were tablets back then. Again I am probably wrong.

Posted by Wintermute
If I'm not mistaken, aren't the new JDI panels using LTPS? If so, I don't think we have anything to worry about with respect to panels, as LTPS is even more power-efficient than IGZO. I remember reading a displaymate post where they took Apple to task for "only" using IGZO on the iPad Air while Google had moved on to LTPS in the 2013 Nexus 7.

Posted by Away
http://www.j-display.com/english/product/mobile.html

Doesn't look like it to me...

Posted by amirprog
According to this article, LTPS>IGZO, but... "While LTPS is better than IGZO, IGZO is expected to win out because it’s easier and cheaper to manufacture. LTPS will probably stick around in smaller, flagship smartphones and tablets, while IGZO eventually takes the rest of the smartphone/tablet/laptop/desktop/TV market.": http://mobile.extremetech.com[....]-high-res-desktop-display-soon
anyway, LTPS is better = saves more battery.
question is, does any sony product has LTPS panel and if so then why they don't advertise it?
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-17 20:39 ]


Posted by vivftp
I do have to wonder if this new Z2 tablet will use the same front facing stereo speakers that Sirius uses, or maybe even a better variant of it. All Xperia tablets until now have been pretty lackluster in the external speaker department, and I'm hoping that finally changes with this one.



Posted by ascariss
https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/435532946645061632/photo/1

Z2 tablet. Someone asked about bezels, I feel the top and bottom bezels became bigger?
[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2014-02-17 21:59 ]


Posted by Felimenta97

On 2014-02-17 22:57:29, ascariss wrote:
https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/435532946645061632/photo/1

Z2 tablet. Someone asked about bezels, I feel the top and bottom bezels became bigger?
[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2014-02-17 21:59 ]



I can recreate that lol. It looks almost exactly like a Tablet Z. About screen, I don't think it NEEDS a higher resolution. The actual model has an awesome screen. Like I've said a lot of times, almost 180 degrees and not even a single color difference. Throw a Triuliminos into that, X Reality, and it's good already (IMO).

About battery, again, same argument I've used over and over. Battery is going to be awesome into that. Same resolution, same screen size, same battery size, but with a much more power efficient processor, it will last for a good while.

I've managed 1d16h of time on. Around 1\\3 or 1/4 of that time, WiFi was on, and 8h of screen time (brightness st minimum, enough to read even in indirect sunlight.


Posted by tonif430
i m writing from a Tablet Z and man it's Great.!!!! They improve its flaws and we cry for an absurd resolution. This screen is very good!!!! But I agree better sound and autonomy are Needed!!!
[ This Message was edited by: tonif430 on 2014-02-17 22:18 ]


Posted by Felimenta97
More alleged info about the specs:

426g WiFi version, 439g LTE version.

266x172x6,4 mm (Or same exact dimensions from Tablet Z, except it is even thinner and lighter.

http://www.androidpolice.com/[....]ess-renders-leak-onto-twitter/

Posted by Ricky D
Let's hope for a speedy release. Less than a month from announcement is fine by me. My current Tab Z will become a donation to my father so he can watch Antiques Roadshow in bed without straining his eyes.

Posted by Away

On 2014-02-17 23:18:04, tonif430 wrote:
i m writing from a Tablet Z and man it's Great.!!!! They improve its flaws and we cry for an absurd resolution. This screen is very good!!!! But I agree better sound and autonomy are Needed!!!
[ This Message was edited by: tonif430 on 2014-02-17 22:18 ]



So WQXGA is an absurd resolution for a 10" display you hold not too far away? You say they improve the flaws - what flaws have been improved you have evidence for?
[ This Message was edited by: Away on 2014-02-17 23:02 ]


Posted by maloqs
Tablet z user here,what they need improve is sound,touchscreen sensitivity,camera and battery life...I don't expect battery life will improve in skyrocket way...just a little I think.What I like is it's thickness and weight,which give me very comfortable.

Posted by Felimenta97
Other Tablet Z owners, may I know what you consider a not so good battery life (that you appear to have, since everyone is complaining), and what you consider a better battery life (that would make Tablet Z2 better)?

Posted by Wintermute

On 2014-02-17 21:16:22, Away wrote:
http://www.j-display.com/english/product/mobile.html

Doesn't look like it to me...


Am I just not seeing what you mean? It looks like every panel but one is listed as using LTPS...

Now, maybe Sony won't use all JDI panels, I don't know, but I think it's a good sign, at least.

Posted by Xajel








Pics from @Felimenta97 AP link...

Posted by Away

On 2014-02-18 04:59:36, Wintermute wrote:

On 2014-02-17 21:16:22, Away wrote:
http://www.j-display.com/english/product/mobile.html

Doesn't look like it to me...


Am I just not seeing what you mean? It looks like every panel but one is listed as using LTPS...

Now, maybe Sony won't use all JDI panels, I don't know, but I think it's a good sign, at least.


That one also happens to be the only 10.1" one.

At least we seem to have figured out the display the z2 uses (5" with pixeleyes)

Posted by kurtdean
@away

WRONG! It doesn't use 5'' pixel eyes because it has 5.2'' screen. Perhaps it uses LTPS without pixel eyes or perhaps they will use it because it's sony tech anyway
[ This Message was edited by: kurtdean on 2014-02-18 07:58 ]


Posted by Ricky D
The positioning of the NFC is better on the new tablet, but I'd like to have seen a double sided NFC like the Nexus 10.

Posted by Ricky D

On 2014-02-18 00:30:45, Felimenta97 wrote:
Other Tablet Z owners, may I know what you consider a not so good battery life (that you appear to have, since everyone is complaining), and what you consider a better battery life (that would make Tablet Z2 better)?



I never owned or extensively used another tablet befoe Tablet Z so I have basis for comparison on battery life.

BUT, I have had no troubles with the life of my Tab Z, I can play games or watch a few movies for an entire afternoon before needing to charge it and I usually have the screen of full brightness simply because it looks awesome.

From what I understand battery life on watching movies is very dependant on how much hardware decoding is done over software decoding, which depends on the compression format. Hardware decoding is less heavy processing dependant, software decoding makes the cpu work very hard and burn through the remaining % battery quickly. A more advanced chip will support hardware decoding of more codecs and battery will be massively improved. Bear this in mind when you're watching something in an awkward codec and the battery lasts for seemingly less than it should be. Or I may be completely wrong in this paragraph, in which case ignore me


Posted by amirprog
Do you realize that tablet Z2 is thinner then Z Ultra? it's crazy, hehe. tablet Z4 will be paper thin? how thin can they go from here? t Z2 should definitely be the coolest looking tablet of 2014.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-18 14:02 ]


Posted by itsjustJOH

On 2014-02-18 05:05:16, Xajel wrote:


Pics from @Felimenta97 AP link...



Man, that's a picture frame.

Posted by cu015170
Without the bazel there is no place to put your fingers/hands when you are holding it.. you don't want them on the screen, so.. this is the only way thus far.

Intel have a very interesting solution but they haven't shipped a product with it yet. Just bing/google for Intel NorthCape, the tech is called "smart frame"

Posted by HxH
I don't want to be impolite, but I don't speak sarcasm as secondary.

Be reasonable, then I'm (try to be) reasonable.

...............

I'm not defending Sony on poor supply chain, it not my business just to point out that the better chain could give better/initiative tech. Tablet Z, is failure because Sony didn't committed enough on them several months (three months in Japan and half year for the rest market) after announcement before hit the shelves (that's could have something wrong in the chain) and what to expect from Android tablet experience that have barely support from Google itself. (less than ten-thousand native tablet apps!) Even last year Nexus 7 was also failure.

Amazon is differently business model, how can compare to other manufacturers that get profit from each hardware sold.

2K Display yield-rate still low, that's why world first 2K phone from Vivo (that was official before last year end) still did not make it way to shelves, just yet. Why Samsung and Oppo phones rumour to have both QuadHD and FullHD screens version? Do your homework a bit!

---------

Anyway, I guess later this year, Apple could fall behind (a bit) in 300Mbps LTE speed race (iPhone 5s is still 100Mbps) but they will counter with the very first initiative of 20 nanometers chipset by TSMC with new iPhone 6 in Q4. Double punches from Cupertino as it last year hit with 64bit chipset. (The guess based on Qualcomm's 64bit roadmap that likely out for sample around the year end)
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2014-02-18 17:27 ]


Posted by Away
2k is excusable in phones, actually, in this point in time, 1080p is probably better for phones. But for tablets, what's the excuse there? And the delay after announcement can be to do with a supply chain, but that's hardly unpredictable, unless a natural disaster occurs. Otherwise, Sony can, you know, just announce their products later, like, you know, they are doing right now. If this was 2013 or 2012, the Z2 would have made an appearance at CES.


Posted by Xajel
I feel that Sony delayed the idea of 2K/4K tablet because of SoC, there's no new one ready for 1H... while they can do it with 800 they didn't thought of it in this way, they thought there's no new CPU, so thought why going for high-end while the SoC will be just a slight upgrade...

I think that Z2 for both phone and Tablet is just small upgrade... the real deal will be in Z3 for both of them... but I doubt Sony will have Z3 tablet... I feel Tablet is a 1 year product...

Posted by itsjustJOH
I guess this is why Sony is not giving that much attention to their press conference in MWC. If everything we know is true, then both the Z2 and the Tablet Z2 are but refreshed devices. Though I can let the Z2 pass, the leaked specs for the Tablet Z2 are lame. It's been a year so everyone is expecting for a major upgrade for the next flagship tablet. New SoC, additional 1 GB RAM, and a thinner and lighter body do not justify the same frame, screen resolution (although expect screen quality to be better than the Tablet Z), same camera and still without flash, same battery capacity. Not to mention almost the same design. And although the bezels do serve a purpose, can't they at least shrink it down a bit? I'm pretty sure not everyone has a 2-inch thumb.

Posted by Away
DooMLoRD (dat use of the shift key) said there'd be about 5 devices with the same board, right?

I think there will be a smaller tablet too. The stylus input solution with Nvidia used would be nice. At least do what the Z Ultra did but with better software for it.

With renewed focus on mobile devices, maybe tablets and all Z series products are 6 month refreshes?

This is what you get when you rely on a single chip company.
[ This Message was edited by: Away on 2014-02-18 18:44 ]


Posted by qqqw
Tablet z2 indeed has stereo speakers.

Posted by ascariss
I'll be shocked if Sony shows more than just the Z2, Z2 tablet and any low end devices.

If sony introduces a 8 inch tab, I will sell my beloved tab 7.7 and get this sony.

Posted by Gitaroo

On 2014-02-18 19:35:38, Xajel wrote:
I feel that Sony delayed the idea of 2K/4K tablet because of SoC, there's no new one ready for 1H... while they can do it with 800 they didn't thought of it in this way, they thought there's no new CPU, so thought why going for high-end while the SoC will be just a slight upgrade...

I think that Z2 for both phone and Tablet is just small upgrade... the real deal will be in Z3 for both of them... but I doubt Sony will have Z3 tablet... I feel Tablet is a 1 year product...



I think S800 can only handle 4k @ 30hz at most, it probably get hot and starts down clocking and everything will get super laggy. Smooth 4K@60Hz still too far ahead of current SoC. Best for every company to wait 2 years to deliver a smooth experience.

Posted by tonif430
According to leaks we improve sound. We improve Cpu,ram,in General raw power.Battery life is gonna be better due to soc optimization(my Tablet Z lasts for 2-3 days surfing,watching films,playing some games 2-3 hours per DAY)Finally the screen will be better.I had a s tablet and man,the change is brutal from that oldie to our actual Z.But still i dont get the need FOR 2K... w

Posted by goldenface
I think if the bezel was reduced the tablet wouldn't be so thin. At 6.4mm and what undoubtedly is a decent sized battery it's already a miracle how they have been able to reduce the size of the tablet.

Posted by Muhammad-Oli
I wouldn't want much of a smaller bezel on a new tablet (coming form a Z tablet user). Maybe on the sides, but certainly not the top and bottom (when held horizontally). I already accidentally tap the screen with my thumbs when holding it, and I don't have big thumbs.

This can be painful when you use an app that takes minutes to load up properly every time, and those damn action buttons are at the bottom. The amount of times I have accidentally Google Nowed!

Posted by supercoolman

On 2014-02-19 03:43:37, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
I wouldn't want much of a smaller bezel on a new tablet (coming form a Z tablet user). Maybe on the sides, but certainly not the top and bottom (when held horizontally). I already accidentally tap the screen with my thumbs when holding it, and I don't have big thumbs.

This can be painful when you use an app that takes minutes to load up properly every time, and those damn action buttons are at the bottom. The amount of times I have accidentally Google Nowed!



so google benefits from all the small bezel?

Posted by Xajel

On 2014-02-18 21:01:52, Gitaroo wrote:

On 2014-02-18 19:35:38, Xajel wrote:
I feel that Sony delayed the idea of 2K/4K tablet because of SoC, there's no new one ready for 1H... while they can do it with 800 they didn't thought of it in this way, they thought there's no new CPU, so thought why going for high-end while the SoC will be just a slight upgrade...

I think that Z2 for both phone and Tablet is just small upgrade... the real deal will be in Z3 for both of them... but I doubt Sony will have Z3 tablet... I feel Tablet is a 1 year product...



I think S800 can only handle 4k @ 30hz at most, it probably get hot and starts down clocking and everything will get super laggy. Smooth 4K@60Hz still too far ahead of current SoC. Best for every company to wait 2 years to deliver a smooth experience.



Exactly, this is why Galaxy S5 will come with both FullHD and 2K displays, the later will be powered only by Exynos SoC, no 2K and Qualcomm will be there for S5 unless it's targeted for mid-year launch where Snappy 805 will start to show up.. but I doubt that Samsung will make another version just for this, but I'm still wondering how they will get LTE in S5... currently every LTE enabled High-end Galaxy only comes with Snapdragon ( S4 LTE, Note 3 LTE ) as Samsung doesn't have LTE on their SoC... I wonder if Samsung finished the work on their in-house LTE Exynos...

Posted by supercoolman

On 2014-02-19 06:01:54, Xajel wrote:
Exactly, this is why Galaxy S5 will come with both FullHD and 2K displays, the later will be powered only by Exynos SoC, no 2K and Qualcomm will be there for S5 unless it's targeted for mid-year launch where Snappy 805 will start to show up.. but I doubt that Samsung will make another version just for this, but I'm still wondering how they will get LTE in S5... currently every LTE enabled High-end Galaxy only comes with Snapdragon ( S4 LTE, Note 3 LTE ) as Samsung doesn't have LTE on their SoC... I wonder if Samsung finished the work on their in-house LTE Exynos...


they can use separate chip for LTE. Broadcom is selling LTE chip and Samsung buys bluetooth and many other chips from Broadcom

Posted by Gitaroo
2k as in 2560X1600? Im sure S800 is still good enough for that at 60Hz actually. Probably fare better than Exynos 5 on the nexus 10.

Posted by DexterMoser

On 2014-02-19 06:01:54, Xajel wrote:
[...] but I'm still wondering how they will get LTE in S5... currently every LTE enabled High-end Galaxy only comes with Snapdragon ( S4 LTE, Note 3 LTE ) as Samsung doesn't have LTE on their SoC... I wonder if Samsung finished the work on their in-house LTE Exynos...

Well there were already LTE enabled High-end Galaxy devices in the past with Exynos, for example the Galaxy S3 LTE (I9503). It has a Exynos 4412 and a Qualcomm LTE Modem (MDM 9215 LTE).
As supercoolman already mentioned it isn't any problem for Samsung to buy LTE modems.
And as far as I know Qualcomm doesn't have integrated LTE modems anymore, at least in my Galaxy S4 there's S600 and the MDM9215M LTE modem separated.
The only problem with Exynos might be that Samsung just can't produce enough chips alone.

Btw we're kind of far away from Sony Xperia Rumors
What interests me the most atm is the D6603, funny how much we know and have seen about D6503 in comparison.
[ This Message was edited by: DexterMoser on 2014-02-19 10:33 ]


Posted by Ricky D
I don't suppose there is any hints around of a return of the Pureness line?

A Pureness style tablet would be awesome. Transparent touchscreen area with slightly bulging bezels around all four sides which house all the wiring and battery etc. and a 'privacy' button that blacks out the back of the screen for better movie contrast and so no one reads your emails when you're on the tube. ...dreams...


@goldenface the image posted you quickly removed was a photoshop job of Z and T. An old fan concept. The UI was another give away.
[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2014-02-19 13:36 ]


Posted by Away
I wish Sony had sparks of mad Sony in their mobiles.
A pureness line and a play line would be epic. Both would have compact, normal, ultra, small tablet and large tablets. One can dream.
A die shrink would greatly benefit both these lines though, so I suppose it'll happen next year at best...
[ This Message was edited by: Away on 2014-02-19 15:20 ]


Posted by tonif430
Morè wood for the 4k debate Link text...

Posted by Away
What 4k debate. There is no 4k debate for smartphones...At all. The recent talk has been about 1600p displays for tablets in this forum. Outside of it, there is no debate. Tablets do benefit from it.

The 4k debate is the result of a few tech journalists lacking material and/or creativity, and some song that likes to boast about what it will have in a few years to land alongside what everyone else will have that time too.

Posted by >500
2k screens. 4k screens bla bla. I don't see the need for anything higher than 1080p on such a small screen. Anyone who does simply wants bragging rights or has '30/30' vision.



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