Posted by sami92a
Sirius Lockscreen
Posted by Felimenta97
Am I the only one dying Tablet Z1/Z2/whatever images (both device and UI)? IMO they shouldn't change much from the Tablet Z. Add a magnetic charging thing like Z1c/Z1/ZU, add a better FFC, maybe a bit better back (it's not bad, but my XTZ has some few scratches, and I am really careful).
Also, make the little gaps between the glass and the border non existent or bigger. I somewho managed to get some dirt there that I can't remove. Didn't tried all options though.
Another thing: Imagine a full white Tablet Z? Instead of only a black front and white back and sides, the front also being white? Like SP or ZL... Just asked a friend for a super quick Photoshop of it, to see how it would look like... Or maybe, even a Red Tablet Z? That would be a sexy beast.
Posted by vikeviki
Hi Anybody noticed Walkman Icon ,check left top screen......
,so Sony is not using some music Icon,Is this phone a Walkman edition?
++
Posted by nedwatkins
Seems like dual front speakers might have earned the right to use the Walkman branding
Posted by vikeviki
may be ,if we expect walkman chipset or noise cancelling features,this phone will be beast I mean real beast
Posted by Felimenta97
Erm, that happens even with my XS... That isn't exactly news...
Check my screenshot of my XS with Walkman player running...
Except if you're talking about something else and I'm confused...
Posted by DexterMoser
^ I think you're right
Posted by vikeviki
Ok,,thanks for correcting me . I havent used new Xperia phones........however what else different can they make,,,,,Noise cancellation?what features they can get from Walkman brand
Posted by Xajel
I'm still concerned about Sirius for having 16GB only.. I hope they don't do it and launch it with 32GB instead at least... I hope these 16GB are only in the prototypes
Posted by itsjustJOH
I too hope that it's just a prototype, and an old prototype. I hope the real deal will come with, if they still insist with 16 GB, 16, 32 and 64 GB variants and a QHD screen just to be on par with the S5.
Posted by Xajel
On 2014-02-12 07:31:29, itsjustJOH wrote:
I too hope that it's just a prototype, and an old prototype. I hope the real deal will come with, if they still insist with 16 GB, 16, 32 and 64 GB variants and a QHD screen just to be on par with the S5.
S5 will have two versions, QHD and FullHD...
plus, personally I don't care about S5.. Sure I would love for Sony to compete, but not against S5.. looking for something higher, like HTC and iPhone... Samsung made it clear with S3 & S4 that they don't care about perfection.. they care about mass production and increased profit... hell iPhone is selling more and it still premium without sacrificing anything... I don't want Sony to compete with such cheap logic..
Posted by amirprog
Well, it's no surprise that samsung will keep being the undisputed top seller in mobile at least in the coming years. what i'd love to see improved about sony is putting in the market more mature hardware and software - like better camera all around - better auto mode, low light, processing, exposure. to lead in camera quality in all modes at least in the android world. not getting cheap with display quality of viewing angles - they should have used IPS since xperia z, why only now??? they can't read the market that voted for IPS? sony may not use all their power they have in the spec race like samsung but in the other hand apple is doing better job then them on putting more complete and mature devices i think. also, they should turn the z ultra into a second flagship like samsung is doing with the note. oh, and ditch that shatter film. what i wrote are some of the things that will bring them to be in top 3 mobile companies, aside of marketing.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-12 09:44 ]
Posted by Xajel
@amirprog, agree... Apple can do it coz every company wants to have business with Apple, the reason is because Apple will guarantee a huge amount of orders... Sony can't offer this as they don't have that strong sales, if yes then companies will be happy to have Sony... One of the reasons of this is because Sony is targeting two flagships per year, so they can't go for higher orders as they will soon change the flagship with another one and different specifications...
I guess the reason for this, why Sony is doing two flagships rather than one. is because Sony do want higher sales, Sony flagships tends to have only timely interests when first launched, after few months peoples will no longer looking for it and will start going for other companies...
having two flagships means that when peoples will start thinking of going away from Sony to other brands they will have another look at Sony duo to the new flagship...
So Is Sony is doing the right thing of having two flagships to increase the sales ?
No, as if the flagship was strong enough and perfect.. it will hold it's power for longer period...
The Problem is Sony does want to move for one flagship now but they can't as suppliers can't doesn't trust Sony yet.. they're just started to trust them like how Qualcomm now.. but still they need more work to do this...
and they can't afford going extreme and rush it and ordering huge amount from suppliers to build the perfect one then the sales doesn't come close to what they hoped..
What I think is that they're working slowly to increase the sales until they reach a point where they can guarantee that a 1 flagship per year will work for the entire year and cover the sales of two separate flagships...
Posted by amirprog
@Xajel
what you say is interesting. when i think about it, no other mobile company announce a flagship every half a year, even not companies that sell less then sony, right? i can't think of one company.
Posted by Xajel
@amirprog, only small players do it specially in china, but big Chinese makers don't do it..
The solution from my side will be cancel the second flagship saving the money for it's development to strength the single flagship in both Advertisement side and Software support side...
Peoples still complaining about slow updates from Sony, some might say most peoples doesn't care about Android version, I say true, but most peoples want every issue to be resolved very soon.. and the minority that care about Android version actually are the peoples who's being asked if one brand is okay or not...
HTC and Samsung are accelerating updates, and Sony is trying to follow them.. but they will not if they keep flooding the market with multiple flagships... fewer devices = more time for each device = faster updates...
No body want's to have a $600+ flagship and then forgotten in less than a year... people hate to have anything then in few months there's a another newer model.. it's like having a new car which is supposed to live for 3 years of being unique and new then just in one year the company redesigned & face-lifted it with better design and features !! you will hate your new car which became old !!
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2014-02-12 11:19 ]
Posted by amirprog
@Xajel
totally Agreed.
did anyone notice this (wikipedia):
Annual best-selling handsets of 2013:
Apple Iphone 4S, 97 million sold
Samsung S4,over 55 million sold
Nokia Lumia 520, 10 million sold
SONY XPERIA Z,6 million sold
BlackBerry Q10, 3 million sold
isn't that enough proof that sony can be strong enough with one flagship per year?
i don't know how accurate this list is but if it's updated for the whole year then Z sold more then the praised LG G2 and Note 3.
there is no details yet for 2013 best selling manufacturers. i expect sony to jump one rank up in sells. they were ranked 7-9 in 2012.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-12 12:00 ]
Posted by xperia_sakth
Whether below picture is real one? someone claim Sony accidentally post the picture..
http://a.disquscdn.com/upload[....]d/images/836/7255/original.jpg
Link text...
Posted by amirprog
@xperia_sakth
Fake - that is if "irimas" (from xda) prototype is the final design. seems like a wishlist - the top and bottom bezel are very thin, really not typical for sony choice of thin profile design over small bezel and thick profile.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-12 12:27 ]
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-02-12 13:09:48, xperia_sakth wrote:
Whether below picture is real one? someone claim Sony accidentally post the picture..
http://a.disquscdn.com/upload[....]d/images/836/7255/original.jpg
Link text...
Of course it's real, it's just the Z1 and the playmemories app.
On an unrelated matter, I was hoping the alpha6000 would be cheaper than that, polish currency on the site and at 2700pln, it is a bit too much for me to replace my NEX-5N, unless the body alone if sold will be cheaper, but I doubt it.
Posted by amirprog
@ascariss
if you think this is the Z1 then i think you need to see your nearest optometrist, hehe. this looks like the Z1 with a touch of photoshop. does sony use photoshop on their own devices? i hope not.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-12 12:59 ]
Posted by itsjustJOH
@Xajel
I don't see Samsung as selling cheap devices, at least not their flagships. The S4 may look cheap with its plastic build and a dumb-looking UI, but in terms of stability both in software and hardware, they really provide. 2K may be absurd in a 5-5.2" screen but it would be S5's main selling point against it's competitors, heck even Oppo's next flagship is rumored to have a 2K display.
@amirprog
The reason why Sony had not used IPS in their display before, probably the most probable as it only came from a few people in the internet, is that they were committed to sell an amount of those poor displays from an old supply chain before they can buy themselves a new supply chain with better quality which they have successfully done now.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2014-02-12 12:47:16, amirprog wrote:
@Xajel
totally Agreed.
did anyone notice this (wikipedia):
Annual best-selling handsets of 2013:
Apple Iphone 4S, 97 million sold
Samsung S4,over 55 million sold
Nokia Lumia 520, 10 million sold
SONY XPERIA Z,6 million sold
BlackBerry Q10, 3 million sold
isn't that enough proof that sony can be strong enough with one flagship per year?
i don't know how accurate this list is but if it's updated for the whole year then Z sold more then the praised LG G2 and Note 3.
there is no details yet for 2013 best selling manufacturers. i expect sony to jump one rank up in sells. they were ranked 7-9 in 2012.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-12 12:00 ]
The Note 3 did 10million, long ago:
http://bgr.com/2013/12/10/samsung-galaxy-note-3-sales-10-million/
Posted by Xajel
On 2014-02-12 14:18:29, itsjustJOH wrote:
@Xajel
I don't see Samsung as selling cheap devices, at least not their flagships. The S4 may look cheap with its plastic build and a dumb-looking UI, but in terms of stability both in software and hardware, they really provide. 2K may be absurd in a 5-5.2" screen but it would be S5's main selling point against it's competitors, heck even Oppo's next flagship is rumored to have a 2K display.
I might partly agree with you, not because of my hate to Samsung but because of personal experience, I already have Note 2 which I gave to my wife and I have S4...
Note 2 was okay, but lately it keeps restarting and stuck for no reason, I factory-reset it and flashed new firmware just to make everything clean but still no go, still restart and shutdown and sometimes stuck for no reason...
The S4 was a disaster (i9500, the 3G Exynos version), It's been 13 months now since I have it and for more than half that period the device was over heating with no reason even for simple apps like WhatsApp or Fb or G+.. battery life was awful requiring charging for 3 times per day, and two updates didn't solve the problem until I used a Russian firmware which was more stable but still overheats some times but not as frequent as before.. the firmware for my country kept the same problems even for another third update according to local regional forums which all was facing the same problem and alot of them went for other firmwares ( Russian or German ) just to get rid of this problem but most doesn't as they prefer Arabic UI language which is only available in the regional firmwares...
Now the situation is better as I updated it to 4.3 with my regional firmware ( not russian )... it now behave normally after 9 months of releasing...
And the Knox is another disaster, even if you flashed a simple root the Knox bit will be 1 and warranty is void and Knox is not reversible.. even if you removed the root and flashed stock firmware the service center will check the Knox bit, if it was 1 then warranty is void !!
I bought these two Samsung because my contract wasn't aligned with Sony's product launch, and after S4 I'm done, my contract is already over from 2 months, I converted it to prepaid, temporarily until Sony launches Sirius here.
Posted by amirprog
@itsjustJOH
Yeah, i heard that, i think it's a bad management and strategy. why did they have to buy so many VA panels (or whatever type of LCD display they had) for xperia Z which is a half a year flagship? why did they choose that type of panel instead of IPS?
@Tsepz_GP
Yeah, you are right. that list is not updated. at least sony sold more then 2012. a good thing. would be interesting to see the numbers.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-12 13:58 ]
Posted by ascariss
On 2014-02-12 13:32:36, amirprog wrote:
@ascariss
if you think this is the Z1 then i think you need to see your nearest optometrist, hehe. this looks like the Z1 with a touch of photoshop. does sony use photoshop on their own devices? i hope not.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-12 12:59 ]
It is the Z1 just photoshopped, Sony has done this in the past in such photos and sometimes it is the fault of the firm that does the work for sony since it might not be in house.
The differences from the Z1 are the bezels, top, side and bottom but that is not because it is a new device, that is because the screen image is simulated and was pasted onto the device poorly making the bezels smaller. Plus it is running android 4.3 and not kitkat which any new device would be especially in press pictures.
Look at the speaker grill, if you bring down the lines from the edge of the speaker grill they line up with the Z1. Also the notification light on surius is much much wider and this is clearly not the case on the image.
I've been photoshopping images for a long time now, over 10 years and such mistakes occur in press photos, it occurs quite a lot in the car industry especially.
Sony made an effort to cut down on leaks, I doubt they would make such a mistake where it would leak with the A6000 image. It's just a poorly photoshopped Z1 with playmemories app blown up with simulated images, nothing more.
Posted by amirprog
@ascariss
that's what i said in other words.
they should start with real teaser videos and photos soon. i think last time they started to advertise teasers a week before Z1 announcement.
Posted by itsjustJOH
@Xajel
Well, shit happens. You get a bad device from Samsung, some guys get bad ones from Sony (hello Bonovox
), Apple, LG, HTC. I think the earlier you buy a device after release, the more likely you will get a bad one with hardware flaws. This usually happens for the first batches of production, then they get reports and fix them for the next batches. Just one of my thoughts before buying phones, though I haven't for years now with college giving me a hard time financially.
@amirprog
We really won't know, although it's probably a financial thing.
Posted by supercoolman
On 2014-02-12 16:23:42, itsjustJOH wrote:
@Xajel
Well, shit happens. You get a bad device from Samsung, some guys get bad ones from Sony (hello Bonovox
), Apple, LG, HTC. I think the earlier you buy a device after release, the more likely you will get a bad one with hardware flaws. This usually happens for the first batches of production, then they get reports and fix them for the next batches. Just one of my thoughts before buying phones, though I haven't for years now with college giving me a hard time financially.
xiaomi red from China did the opposite. first production has gorila 3. later batches were silently downgraded.
Posted by sami92a
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]lay-running-kitkat/#more-21156
Sony D5103:
1.4GHz quad-core processor (SD400)
Adreno 305 graphics
720P Display
And Kitkat
[ This Message was edited by: sami92a on 2014-02-12 17:18 ]
Posted by itsjustJOH
On 2014-02-12 18:07:43, supercoolman wrote:
xiaomi red from China did the opposite. first production has gorila 3. later batches were silently downgraded.
Well, "from China".
On 2014-02-12 18:18:15, sami92a wrote:
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]lay-running-kitkat/#more-21156
Sony D5103:
1.4GHz quad-core processor (SD400)
Adreno 305 graphics
720P Display
And Kitkat
Oooh, nice. This could be T2, like Z Ultra was a large phablet and Z was the smaller 5" phone. I'm not hoping for the same price as Moto G since Google sold it like a Nexus, but hopefully about the launch price of Xperia L.
Posted by jonfensu
Sony Xperia Sirius D6503 Demo
Posted by CrownedAkuma
I totally didn't see this coming... FULL SPOILER AHEAD
I'm impressed by the screen and the fluidity of everything... the lateral bezels are good..
I really preferred the Blind Effect while unlocking
I Like the new themes... but I hope the older to be in the device nonetheless... it seems responsive even if it is a prototype...
the audio seemed clear.. not too loud [ This Message was edited by: CrownedAkuma on 2014-02-12 22:32 ]
Posted by Away
Found out recently that both Sony and Microsoft are thought to have considered ARM chips in their consoles... Wow.
Until the s805 appears in devices, the best soc for mobile will be more than half a year old...
It doesn't cost too much to licence ARM cores. The cost would be offset by the sale of about 1m high end devices, a fraction of the number of devices more you would sell with a better chip.
Sony aren't completely clueless. They have experience of at least aiding the design of the ps3 and psp processors, right?
The APQ8064 was not again available in large enough quantities when it was released. Nor was the dual core kraits with the adreno 320. And now the s805 isn't.
They need to licence ARM. The costs would be offset by the greater number of devices they will sell in these periods. Sometimes it might go wrong - look at the tegra 4 and exynos in the s4. But sometimes it goes very good, look at the exynos in the s2. Surely that boosted it's sales a lot.
Read an article dating back a few years when the a5x were announced. The writer called AMD ambitious in getting those processors by 2014. But they have. AMD is good with SOCs. In mobile, Qualcomm have the magic ingredient of their integrated lte amongst other things, but surely it's better to have a special relationship with an upcoming player than be completely dependent on the one that your competitors are close to too.
My question is this: is there any indication that Sony will make a move in licencing ARM processors or have a special relationship with any of the current players in the field? Dependency on Qualcomm won't bring them ultimate success. And the increased sales should offset any cost. The subscription licence could benefit the entire company because of all the fields they are in.
Posted by -XYZ
Sony DOES use an ARM chip in the PS4. Its a secondary chip that does background processes so that the main CPU doesn't have to dedicate resources to it. Quite clever really. Would have been awesome, if they gave its own little cache, or RAM pool to supplement its background processing capabilities.
As for the Sirius. Looks pretty good, but pretty damn huge.
I want Sony to settle at a small range of high-end smartphones; 4.3 inch, 4.7 inch and 5.2 inch, with the Ultra edition being considered more of a tablet than "phablet" or phone. Also, slim down the bezels as much as physically possible (while maintaining a big a batter and sensor/OIS module, as possible), such that the 4.3 inch device is MORE compact, the 4.7 inch device is more in line with the Moto X and the 5.2 inch device is more in line with the G2.
Also, a refreshed design language that adds a full-metal (magnesium allow from their Alpha range preferably) unibody constructions and a few more palm-friendly curves (like the HTC One X, or One S or Moto X). I know Sony has the designers and artists, as well as the engineers to pull this all off.
They just need to work on faster software updates, and less aggressive imaging software.
Posted by Xajel
@Away, I knew about them thinking about ARM few years ago, they was looking for all options: ARM, x86 & PowerPC...
ARM was omitted duo to timeline, the A57 wasn't ready yet for it and also don't know how much performance it will get compared to the other options... they were thinking about continuing with PowerPC for compatibility or going for x86 to simplify the development for developers... after contacting developers.. most of them preferred x86...
Then they worked out between Intel and AMD, both can do it but AMD won in the SoC area duo to more powerful GPU and lower price than Intel... AFAIK there was some concerns about power efficiency for AMD but AMD proved it for them...
Regarding Sony and building it's own SoC, they need to have more sales, developing a new SoC might be easy to say but it will have a lot of work specially licensing and IP... and these alone cost too much add these cost to the actual SoC Research, development, testing, etc... and you will see how long this will take... the main problem for Sony for this idea is they will need to start from ground... both Apple and nVIDIA took few years to reach this point...
For me the fastest and cheapest way is to go custom, ask Qualcomm and/or MediaTek to have a custom SoC with their needs... it will have much less work as they will not need to license anything... they will be able to have what they want, even they can add a custom logic for doing Sony's proprietary things like BIONZ or Walkman so it will be a hardware version of it and more powerful solution than software
Posted by DACHA
This is from XDA
I am filling my diary with all the press conferences for MWC.. so far got Samsung, Nokia, Motorola, Huawei and others - but nothing for Sony.
I'm asking their PR and they're saying they are only having a small conference for the journalists and analysts they're taking! That's got to be a first. No big conference like previous MWCs, IFAs and CESs?
That really makes me wonder how Sony is pitching this new device.. as a new flagship, or a rather small upgrade that it doesn't want a big fanfare for and have the press and customers (and rivals) putting it down as not a patch on the new QHD-screened Galaxy S5 etc.
The Z1 Compact wasn't a massive launch, but was well known about given it was already out in Japan, but I'd have expected more from this.
And what about the updated Tablet Z?
I'm hoping to secure an interview with Pierre Perron, head of Sony Mobile Europe, and get a hands-on with the new things then, but does anyone else on here that has close links with Sony know what's going on? The days of only having people allowed in that have been flown out are generally over, especially when the event is at a big trade show and not just a one-off event (ala Samsung in NYC for the GS4).
Posted by Gitaroo
This is also from XDA
http://forum.xda-developers.c[....]t.php?p=50298632&postcount=774
"According to BGR there is a Sony event and invites have been sent out.
http://bgr.com/2014/02/11/mwc-2014-xperia-z2-galaxy-s5/
Either way, Sony doesn’t seem to mind sharing the spotlight with Samsung on February 24 – Sony’s event takes place at 8:30 a.m. CET, while Samsung’s Galaxy S5 announcement is scheduled for later that day at 8:00 p.m. CET."
Posted by xell
On 2014-02-13 19:53:12, DACHA wrote:
"I'm asking their PR and they're saying they are only having a small conference for the journalists and analysts they're taking!"
Yes. I asked Sony Mobile Germany and they replied that the European unit only got a certain amount of invites to give out. Seems like a very small event. Well, it's Nokia for me then on Monday.
Posted by huiyi
Z2 VS Z。。。LOGO finally no longer be printed on the protective film
http://www.digi-wo.com/forum.[....]d=13562&page=1&extra=#pid99944
Posted by DexterMoser
^Good to hear from you Huiyi
And good for the logo, too.
It's both Z2 in the first picture and Z2, Z and Z1 in the second one, am I right?
And does this mean there will be a protective film for shure?
Posted by my ninja
Excellent post, thanks!
Posted by milukugiuniu
@DexterMoser
The middle one of the 2nd picture is just the screen that hasnt been assembled.
Posted by rency0722
First pic shows both D6503, looking at the lanyard placement and the mic holes on the bottom, as well as the bottom speaker... The angle just doesn't clearly show the top speaker to confirm its stereo speaker setup..
For the second pic, the Z family. From the left, D6503 (Z unknown), then Z1, and Z.
Posted by jonfensu
The one in the middle is not the Z1. Its too "small". I would say
Sirius White/Z Black/Z White. BUT the black one seems different (I know, it has a Screen protector, but the If you see closely, the left bottom corner is so rectangular)
[ This Message was edited by: jonfensu on 2014-02-14 05:10 ]
Posted by amirprog
@at pics
similar to Z1 but looks good and slimmer profile which sony are always in favor of that the pics don't show. nice move with the logo but next time they should ditch that shatter film. they should have done it now.
@rency0722
stereo speakers were shown 2 weeks ago and can also be seen in the pics huiyi linked - especially in the first black Z2 pic (the one in the white Z2 is harder to notice). look closely for the halo of the upper speaker. the pics are blurred which makes it harder to notice. also, the design hides it cleverly so the phone looks sleeker and i guess mainly to preserve the water and dust proof certification.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-14 08:54 ]
Posted by CrownedAkuma
Nice info about the logo... this way we could replace the shatter film or take it away without the worry about the phone remaining with Logo
As always I prefer the black one... it also seems a bit shorter... but shurely it is beacause they are not perfectly aligned!
Posted by ascariss
Finally Sony getting things right. It happened in the vaio division before it was sold as well.
I seriously hope the next flagship and not this features a smaller display, no 5.2 but 5 inches with the smaller bezels since currently the Z1 at 5 inches is massive and with smaller bezels would be much easier to hold.
Posted by DexterMoser
@milukugiuniu:
Ah, that explains the small profile of the 'phone' in the middle
Posted by amirprog
@ascariss
Wishful thinking. 5" flagship are a thing of the past. LG dictated it with the G2. sony made compact for people who wants smaller display. i wouldn't be surprised if the successor of Z2 has that JDI 5.4" inch 2k display. 2k is just being dictated by samsung with the S5.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-02-14 09:54 ]
Posted by ascariss
Maybe my next phone will be the Z3 compact or Z2 compact sporting a 4.5 inch screen