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Posted by ascariss

On 2014-01-17 19:41:57, Wintermute wrote:

On 2014-01-17 18:58:55, ascariss wrote:
Please no carbon fibre, it screws with wireless signals, especially wifi, just ask any vaio pro13 owner, it does not bode well for reception. I'd also prefer a metal and not glass since glass can pick up too many fingerprints and can break where as a nice mat metal is stronger and leaves less fingerprints.


No, no, no! That's backwards. Carbon fiber is (mostly) an electrical insulator. It DOES NOT conduct electricity, but metal does. It is metal that interferes with cell signals. The carbon fiber phone will have much better signal, all else being equal.

I really hope Sony does not downgrade to aluminum or any metal. Poorer reception, doesn't look as good IMO, kills the ultra-premium vibe of the phones. Also, aluminum scratches much easier than the glass Sony uses.


Sorry I don't believe this, I own a vaio pro 13 and the wifi reception is piss poor on it, apart from a shitty wlan card, the antennas in the screen are covered by the carbon fibre, as is the rest of it in the body. I lose wifi signal really fast with my pro 13, whereas my galaxy S2 which is now I think 3 years old? has much better reception than my vaio.

CF seems to absorb the signal and not block it, so this is why the reception is altered.
[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2014-01-17 19:16 ]



Posted by Wintermute

On 2014-01-17 20:06:53, ascariss wrote:Sorry I call BS on this, I own a vaio pro 13 and the wifi reception is piss poor on it, apart from a shitty wlan card, the antennas in the screen are covered by the carbon fibre, as is the rest of it in the body. I lose wifi signal really fast with my pro 13, whereas my galaxy S2 which is now I think 3 years old? has much better reception than my vaio.

CF seems to absorb the signal and not block it, so this is why the reception is altered.
[ This Message was edited by: ascariss on 2014-01-17 19:07 ]



Honey, you can "call BS" on it all you want. You're arguing against physics, and OLD physics at that. I'm sorry, I'm telling you, as a guy with an engineering physics BS, you're just wrong. Carbon fiber, depending on its exact configuration, either doesn't conduct electricity, or only conducts it along tangential directions. Metal, on the other hand, is a conductor by definition.

I don't want to get into the philosophical reasons why inductive reasoning like you're doing is generally invalid, but suffice it to say you can't take one product and then draw conclusions about different classes of materials. There are many things that could be responsible for your Vaio's poor reception, and you can't just arbitrarily pick one thing and blame it all on that.

Look up "Faraday cage" on Wikipedia if you still don't believe me.
[ This Message was edited by: Wintermute on 2014-01-17 19:22 ]


Posted by sami92a
it looks like some kind of metal too me!

Posted by itsjustJOH

On 2014-01-17 20:06:53, ascariss wrote:
CF seems to absorb the signal and not block it, so this is why the reception is altered.


Carbon would absorb only a very, very small amount of the RF signal's power or probably not at all, so very little attenuation there. Metal, like aluminum, would also absorb very little (probably a bit more than carbon) of the signal BUT it is highly reflective since it is a very good conductor and that would heavily attenuate the signal.
[ This Message was edited by: itsjustJOH on 2014-01-17 19:33 ]


Posted by ascariss
Removing the Wifi antenna from pro 13 and exposing it drastically improves the wifi reception on the device, so there's that.



Posted by Wintermute
By the way, look what just came in the mail!



Posted by itsjustJOH

On 2014-01-17 20:35:37, ascariss wrote:
Removing the Wifi antenna from pro 13 and exposing it drastically improves the wifi reception on the device, so there's that.


Of course it would, then there's probably something blocking (reflecting, actually) the signal from the inside.

Posted by Wintermute

On 2014-01-17 20:32:13, itsjustJOH wrote:

On 2014-01-17 20:06:53, ascariss wrote:
CF seems to absorb the signal and not block it, so this is why the reception is altered.


Carbon would absorb only a very, very small amount of the RF signal's power or probably not at all, so very little attenuation there. Metal, like aluminum, would also absorb very little (probably a bit more than carbon) of the signal BUT it is highly reflective since it is a very good conductor and that would heavily attenuate the signal.
[ This Message was edited by: itsjustJOH on 2014-01-17 19:33 ]



Not to get all pedantic, but conductors don't "reflect" electromagnetic waves. The electrons, which by definition are free to move in a conductor, are moved by the EM wave into a configuration that cancels out the EM wave. This is why conductors shield EM against EM radiation.

Posted by MNX1024
@Wintermute

You'll love your MDR-1R. By far one of my favorite headphones out there!

Posted by itsjustJOH

On 2014-01-17 20:41:53, Wintermute wrote:

Not to get all pedantic, but conductors don't "reflect" electromagnetic waves. The electrons, which by definition are free to move in a conductor, are moved by the EM wave into a configuration that cancels out the EM wave. This is why conductors shield EM against EM radiation.


Err, my physics knowledge is not that deep, so at my level (probably way too shallow than yours) I think of it as being "reflected".

Posted by Ricky D
Having a glass front doesn't make having an metal back a 'minor' interference issue. Asus changed the design of their early transformer tablets extremely quickly when they realised that the all alu back killed reception. It's also the reason that iPads (and other tabs and phones) have a plastic strip area on their backs.

Having a metal back to your phone makes the signals unidirectional instead of omnidirectional, meaning you have to face the right way so your phone can 'see' the closest signal tower. Certainly not 'minor'. Unless one also counts iPhone 4's grip of death minor.

Posted by Wintermute

On 2014-01-17 20:45:51, MNX1024 wrote:
@Wintermute

You'll love your MDR-1R. By far one of my favorite headphones out there!


This will be my last post about them, so as not to get off-topic, but after listening to them for about an hour, I can say OH MY GOD. This is my first proper pair of over-the-head headphones, so I don't have a baseline (I have extensively used some XBA-BT75 'buds, though, which I think sound fantastic), but I am extremely impressed with these. I expected them to sound good, but didn't really think it was possible for them to sound this much better than what I'm used to with the same source material. The most surprising aspect to me is how insanely detailed the low-end is. Previously, I thought the XBA-BT75s sounded good (and they do), but now it's like everything else sounds compressed and muddy at the bottom. Incredible low-end clarity, and a good flat response everywhere else. I don't want to take these off.

Posted by Ricky D
re: carbon fibre: shield or not
This study suggests carbon fibre is a great shield of electromagnetic waves. With effectiveness well over 60% (comparable to aluminium) depending the frequency of the given wave. It also contains all the base theory and formulae for predicting shielding effectiveness in this scenario.

Interesting read.

Posted by Wintermute

On 2014-01-17 21:16:42, Ricky D wrote:
Having a glass front doesn't make having an metal back a 'minor' interference issue. Asus changed the design of their early transformer tablets extremely quickly when they realised that the all alu back killed reception. It's also the reason that iPads (and other tabs and phones) have a plastic strip area on their backs.

Having a metal back to your phone makes the signals unidirectional instead of omnidirectional, meaning you have to face the right way so your phone can 'see' the closest signal tower. Certainly not 'minor'. Unless one also counts iPhone 4's grip of death minor.



That's what I meant when I said that I'm sure designers have "tricks" they can use (like the aforementioned glass panels on the iPhone 5S or the strips on the HTC One, iPad, etc. that you mentioned) to improve the signal. It's possible to make an aluminum device with good reception, but why bother when the reception will never be as good as a glass/plastic phone and there are (IMO) no other benefits. I don't see aluminum as a premium material. I personally send about 5 cans' worth of aluminum to the landfill every single day. How premium could it be?

Posted by amirprog
@all
reading all the metal reception thing, suddenly a glass back seem very attractive aside of its looks! i guess sapphire is the next big step in smartphone materiel. too bad it's still too expensive to cover a whole phone.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-01-17 20:34 ]


Posted by DACHA
Sony Xperia (Altair) could potentially be the next flagship

Posted by itsjustJOH

On 2014-01-17 21:45:40, DACHA wrote:
Sony Xperia (Altair) could potentially be the next flagship


Nothing is true, leaks are prohibited.

Posted by -XYZ
Sony really need to fix their Camera software. Once they can get it to at least Apple-level, their superior sensor technology will basically mean, they have the best overall smartphones available on the market.
That and use IPS screens exclusively (until AMOLED, becomes reliably higher quality than a IPS LCD).

EDIT:
Also, they NEED to have Optical Image Stabilisation. Absolutely NEED to have it. Yeah their digital steady-shot does a decent job, but a good optical one, will always do better.

If they can somehow find a way to get the entire sensor and its lens assembly to "Float", with gyroscopic stabilisation, within say....a 9mm frame....I would be blown away, cause that would provide unparalleled stabilisation. You know what, Sony have the technical capabilities to actually do it too.

But that software....Jeez. Their image processing software is still far behind other companies, like Apple's, or Nokia's. I still don't understand why they don't leverage their camera division. Yeah, they say that its "the best of Sony", but there is no evidence that their imaging division have spent any time working on the Z1's camera software even though they should.
[ This Message was edited by: -XYZ on 2014-01-17 22:12 ]


Posted by my ninja
Sony Balanced Optical Steady Shot exists.. another tech they seem to withhold from mobile.

BOSS is only 2 axis.. it should be three, but thats a minor niggle.

Posted by vivftp

On 2014-01-18 00:45:27, my ninja wrote:
Sony Balanced Optical Steady Shot exists.. another tech they seem to withhold from mobile.

BOSS is only 2 axis.. it should be three, but thats a minor niggle.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it exists in a larger scale for things like handycams. I suppose the question is whether it can be miniaturized for phone use, or if some other technique will need to be used.

BTW, on the subject of materials for phones, would magnesium alloy that's used for things like camera bodies have any advantages over aluminum?

Posted by -XYZ

On 2014-01-18 01:40:43, vivftp wrote:

On 2014-01-18 00:45:27, my ninja wrote:
Sony Balanced Optical Steady Shot exists.. another tech they seem to withhold from mobile.

BOSS is only 2 axis.. it should be three, but thats a minor niggle.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it exists in a larger scale for things like handycams. I suppose the question is whether it can be miniaturized for phone use, or if some other technique will need to be used.

BTW, on the subject of materials for phones, would magnesium alloy that's used for things like camera bodies have any advantages over aluminum?


Regarding the first point, I reckon it could be theoretically, but it would require some engineering genius. As far as I can see, it may only be possible to have 2-axis, but even then it would be pretty damn good.

Regarding the second point, it would be about the same in terms of durability, just lighter. I'm not a materials scientist though, so don't quote me (seriously, don't do that).

Posted by Ambroos

On 2014-01-18 00:45:27, my ninja wrote:
Sony Balanced Optical Steady Shot exists.. another tech they seem to withhold from mobile.

BOSS is only 2 axis.. it should be three, but thats a minor niggle.


It's not withholding if it's not technically possible. Balanced Optical SteadyShot means moving the entire camera module around in the body. That would mean basically making the whole camera module float in the phone. How do you see that happening?

If you'll get optical stabilization it'll have very little effect anyway, there's only so much you can do at those sizes.

Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2014-01-17 21:45:40, DACHA wrote:
Sony Xperia (Altair) could potentially be the next flagship


By the code name alone I HOPE not! Those old enough to recall the Altair - that PC was a failure at birth regardless of the specs!

Posted by -XYZ

It's not withholding if it's not technically possible. Balanced Optical SteadyShot means moving the entire camera module around in the body. That would mean basically making the whole camera module float in the phone. How do you see that happening?


I can imagine something, but it would be ridiculously difficult to do it. I don't even know if it could be done to be honest, but its an idea.


If you'll get optical stabilization it'll have very little effect anyway, there's only so much you can do at those sizes.

It may be little, but at the top end, small gains are what make the difference. Plus, it would mean you could have full-res shots that are properly stabilised, as well as complete FOV for stabilised video capture. Not to mention the gains in low-light photography.

Every little helps.



Posted by supercoolman

On 2014-01-18 05:15:28, -XYZ wrote:

It may be little, but at the top end, small gains are what make the difference. Plus, it would mean you could have full-res shots that are properly stabilised, as well as complete FOV for stabilised video capture. Not to mention the gains in low-light photography.

Every little helps.





even if it means $200 premium on top of current flagship price due to R&D went into it?

Posted by -XYZ

On 2014-01-18 05:36:11, supercoolman wrote:

On 2014-01-18 05:15:28, -XYZ wrote:

It may be little, but at the top end, small gains are what make the difference. Plus, it would mean you could have full-res shots that are properly stabilised, as well as complete FOV for stabilised video capture. Not to mention the gains in low-light photography.

Every little helps.





even if it means $200 premium on top of current flagship price due to R&D went into it?


Doesn't necessarily have to be the floating-sensor "Balanced Optical SteadyShot", it could be ANY kind of OIS. Cause it will make a difference. Might not be a night-and-day difference, but it will improve the performance.


Posted by BenLing
Xperia Sirius D6503 Live photos leaked












[ This Message was edited by: BenLing on 2014-01-18 05:28 ]


Posted by huiyi

On 2014-01-18 06:17:01, BenLing wrote:
Xperia Sirius D6503 Live photos leaked












[ This Message was edited by: BenLing on 2014-01-18 05:28 ]


5.2

Posted by HxH

On 2014-01-17 15:21:59, Xajel wrote:
BTW, After WMC in 24-27 Feb. is there's any event out there ?

of course beside IFA which is too far in 5-10 Sept.



The event in Shanghai, where Sony introduced Z Ultra and C last year.

Posted by MartenR
Yay, thin bezels.

Posted by Xajel
@BenLing, Thanks for sharing, looks nice and the bezel guys will be happy šŸ˜…
That LED notification looks cool ā¤

But @all that leaked backcover looks different than thisā€¦ this looks like Z1 from back

@huiyi, please dont quote images

@HxH, Thanks bro and when that was ?
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2014-01-18 06:28 ]


Posted by supercoolman
looks just like Z1. guess SIRIUS won't be too much of upgrade from Z1S

Posted by litoni
nice photos.. so let me get this straight

Xperia Sirius 5.2" (the leaked photos from ben ling) I liked how Benling stated Xperia Sirius instead of Xperia Z2...
Xperia Altair 5.3" (the leaked back cover and the info from Dacha) --- i thought Altair is a refresh version of Z1f according to this http://apple-info.ldblog.jp/archives/rumor-xperia-2014.html

We are still unable to determine which of these are Xperia Z2. To me, it seems the Sirius is just a legit refresh of Xperia Z1, cause Xperia Z1s was just a T-Mobile variant. A better guess is that Xperia Altair is the Xperia Z2.
However, Xperia Sirius seems to be the one that is going to be announced at MWC 2014 Feb... No words on when we are going to see Xperia Altar as this is new information...

and the bezel doesnt look thin to me, its nearly the same size as a Xperia Z but an increased in screen size. if indeed the Sirius 5.2" is the Xperia Z2, i am not impressed Sony >_____< maybe ill stick with my Z for another year. The design doesnt differentiate Z1 and Z2 how can this be the Z1 at all. Not unless Sony really wants to wait till september of 2014 to announce a new design >.> like the Z1.
[ This Message was edited by: litoni on 2014-01-18 07:08 ]


Posted by sami92a
this^ i donĀ“t call this edge-to-edge display... the bezel looks the same as the Z

Edit: i got the Mods to change the title
[ This Message was edited by: sami92a on 2014-01-18 08:15 ]


Posted by XperiaCute



I just wonder what happen to the external speaker XZ1 seams to have wider , loader grid !
if we ends up with this device as Xperia Z2 , then I will ditch my XZ for XZ1 Compact looks much better for me ..

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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-01-18 10:58 ]


Posted by maiaramdan

On 2014-01-18 07:41:43, litoni wrote:
nice photos.. so let me get this straight

Xperia Sirius 5.2" (the leaked photos from ben ling) I liked how Benling stated Xperia Sirius instead of Xperia Z2...
Xperia Altair 5.3" (the leaked back cover and the info from Dacha) --- i thought Altair is a refresh version of Z1f according to this http://apple-info.ldblog.jp/archives/rumor-xperia-2014.html

We are still unable to determine which of these are Xperia Z2. To me, it seems the Sirius is just a legit refresh of Xperia Z1, cause Xperia Z1s was just a T-Mobile variant. A better guess is that Xperia Altair is the Xperia Z2.
However, Xperia Sirius seems to be the one that is going to be announced at MWC 2014 Feb... No words on when we are going to see Xperia Altar as this is new information...

and the bezel doesnt look thin to me, its nearly the same size as a Xperia Z but an increased in screen size. if indeed the Sirius 5.2" is the Xperia Z2, i am not impressed Sony >_____< maybe ill stick with my Z for another year. The design doesnt differentiate Z1 and Z2 how can this be the Z1 at all. Not unless Sony really wants to wait till september of 2014 to announce a new design >.> like the Z1.
[ This Message was edited by: litoni on 2014-01-18 07:08 ]



Z2 is Neither Sirius nor Altair
Z2 will be 5.0"

Posted by litoni

On 2014-01-18 09:49:23, maiaramdan wrote:

On 2014-01-18 07:41:43, litoni wrote:
nice photos.. so let me get this straight

Xperia Sirius 5.2" (the leaked photos from ben ling) I liked how Benling stated Xperia Sirius instead of Xperia Z2...
Xperia Altair 5.3" (the leaked back cover and the info from Dacha) --- i thought Altair is a refresh version of Z1f ............



Z2 is Neither Sirius nor Altair
Z2 will be 5.0"


i think i get it now, earlier someone or you mentioned Z1 refresh will be 5.2 inch screen(D6503) Sirius fits in perfectly, and Z2 and following flagships will remain with 5 inch screens for now. Seems like whoever mentioned that is correct.

Seems like Sony is doing the following....

2013 H1 Xperia Z/ZL
2013 H2 Xperia Z1/Xperia Z Ultra

2014 H1 Xperia Z1 Compact/Xperia Z1 (refresh D6503)
2014 H2 Xperia Z2/Xperia Z2 Ultra

2015 H1 Xperia Z2 Compact/Xperia Z2 (refresh E6503?)
2015 H2 Xperia Z3/Xperia Z3 Ultra

and of course mid/low ranges of xperias will be announced between those... AND if my predictions are correct I think Sony wants to go head on with Samsung Galaxy S5 and Iphone 6 at the same time.... dude this is pretty damn hardcore lol
[ This Message was edited by: litoni on 2014-01-18 09:05 ]


Posted by amirprog
About the photos,
things i like: a bit thinner bezel - xperia z like, clean design, the LED indicator grill looks cool, i also like that they shortened the side strips from 3 to 2.
things i don't like: micro usb port should be exposed like the core has, speaker grill should be as big as the Z1's.
and what are the materials of this phone, metal or plastic?
all in all, doesn't seem to me like the Z2.
@maiaramdan
really 5"? strange. it doesn't make sense cause why would a company announce a high end sidekick of 5.2-5.3" and a flagship at 5"? flagship should give the "full experience" - meaning the biggest display in 5+" territory.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-01-18 09:06 ]


Posted by Ricky D
did anyone else notice the led inside the speaker grille?

very nice

Posted by XperiaCute
>>
New benchmark leaked , surprisingly it's for D6603 , and just yesterday we have had couple of photos of D6503 ..



so we conclude there be will double flagship much like Xperia Z\Xperia ZL .. !

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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-01-18 11:00 ]


Posted by amirprog
@XperiaCute
Yeah, now we can safely say that the strategy is the same as in 2013. 2 flagships. one at MWC, the other at IFA. D6503 is a sidekick. though, the general specs of each phone are much less clear.

Posted by litoni

On 2014-01-18 11:46:23, amirprog wrote:
@XperiaCute
Yeah, now we can safely say that the strategy is the same as in 2013. 2 flagships. one at MWC, the other at IFA. D6503 is a sidekick. though, the general specs of each phone are much less clear.


maybe neither of those are flagship phones.... according to previous infos

Xperia Sirius is D6503 [Z1 refresh]
Xperia Canopus could be D6603 [Z1 refresh variant?]
Xperia Castor could be Xperia Tablet Z2?
Xperia Altair Z1 f/compact refresh?

Xperia Z2 D6903?

Posted by amirprog
@litoni
the Z1 refresh WAS Z1s. why would sony is announce yet another Z1 refresh phone, let alone 2 high end devices that none of them is a new flagship?
next tablet Z is surely at MWC. no one will argue on that.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-01-18 11:10 ]


Posted by XperiaCute
@litoni
I read before that Xperia Canopus is a (Wi-fi only) mobile & it's 5" in terms of screen size ..
I assumed it kind of multimedia device so it's hard to believe it will be D6603 .

Xperia Castor is definitely a Tablet model it should named Xperia Tablet Z1 ..

" Xperia Altair Z1 f/compact refresh " Could be announced later on this year on japan , but the International version is said for 2015

@amirprog
I believe Xperia Z1 refresh should be called Xperia Z1 Pro ( much like Z Ultra , Z1 Compact ) and to be announce at MWC this year ,
BTW shouldn't Xperia Z2 carry D6903 code name ..
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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-01-18 13:06 ]


Posted by amirprog
@XperiaCute
at this point, the different rumors are contradicting each other, let's trust our sense.
though, if one of the high end devices is really a wi-fi only then the possibility of Z2 not showing at MWC is higher.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2014-01-18 11:23 ]


Posted by litoni
D6903 should be z2, and it seriously wouldn't make ANY sense to launch a refresh version of z1 and launching a z2 at the same time or at similar time frame

My best guess is that neither of these two d6503 and d6603 are z2. Mari already confirmed d6503 isn't cause its greater than 5". I doubt we will see z2 in the first half of 2014. I want the z2 as bad as you guys
[ This Message was edited by: litoni on 2014-01-18 11:29 ]


Posted by XperiaCute
@litoni

it must have SD805 in order to be big jump in specification and naming so it's hard to believe that is going to be anytime
in 1H 2014 the best suited time is IFA at September or July at Computex conference with Z1 Ultra ..

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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-01-18 11:40 ]


Posted by maiaramdan

On 2014-01-18 12:37:19, XperiaCute wrote:
@litoni

it must have SD805 in order to be big jump in specification and naming so it's hard to believe that is going to be anytime
in 1H 2014 the best suited time is IFA at September or July at Computex conference with Z1 Ultra ..

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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-01-18 11:40 ]



My best thoughts is IFA, it is not logic to introduce the Z2 with the Z1 ultra

Posted by Away
Are we sure the Z ultra won't jump to Z2 Ultra?

Posted by XperiaCute
>>
New interesting info about D6503 , the external speaker is actually found on top of the device with notification light !



quoting iRimas words from XDA :


Its 5.2inch display thinner then xperia z1 the speaker is on the top where you can see the red light.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Premium HD app



This have 20.7 mb camera and new ui. Android 4.3 .it crash all the time. I don't no if I go to model number it does show a long number but if I Chen through service info it says D6503.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Premium HD app

[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2014-01-18 12:46 ]



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