Posted by reeflotz
@ apolloa
If the leaked pictures are legit with that side by side comparison then I'd say Z1-s is impossible to be the Z1 T-Mobile, because the headphone jack and side flaps placement are different from Z1.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-10-21 12:28 ]
Posted by mobisekim
Eldar Murtazin
"The Sony basic problem is that the people doing the cameras do not have the time to do it , and so with the hardware and software are working and those who engaged in smartphones in general. The result is seen directly. Interestingly, in Sony recognized this problem in 2013, and after the restructuring can be expected that this trend will improve greatly - first results we can see , in January 2014 , if the company did decide to present at CES in Las Vegas its updated flagship. While in Sony discussing what it should show in Barcelona in February , while the U.S. does not demonstrate novelty."
http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2013/birulki-247.shtml#s2
Posted by razec
I hope Sony mobile sensors would top at 20MP for the next gen smartphones, while steadily increasing its physical size (up to 1/2" if possible or the current thickness) as well as its sensitivity and DR, and FoV becoming even wider (24mm would be really welcome) then a real BIONZ chip as well. I'm also hoping for an improved Superior Auto resolution at 9.1-10.1MP as 8mp just don't cut it these days, especially when it's essentially as pixel dense as a 4K video. I think Sony can make those possible but only time will tell
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-10-21 14:47 ]
Posted by xdomino996
I hope Sony give OIS in Z2
Posted by apolloa
@reflotz
True, but then it makes no sense why they are different from the Z1f either? Meh either way it's very good news that we have a bit more rumour about the international Z1f version
Posted by reeflotz
yeah, I'd prefer a slightly smaller Z1 too
, about the Japan version, yup I agree it's also quite different unlike the previous handsets Japan version only have slight changes with their international counterparts.
Posted by u2jewel
This Z1 S is a real mystery, ins't it?
Latest gossip is that it is the LTE variant of Z1, but this argument makes no sense to me.
Since SD800 SoC have radio built in, if necessary(?), the only physical difference would be the antenna.
So, why would Sony bother making a different mold and design a differing layout, if theoretically both HSPA+ and LTE variants can be had on one, just like Z Ultra?
IF all the specs between Z1 and Z1S were the same, I cannot understand the route Sony took, since this means higher production cost. What about FCC and all the troublesome procedures?
Maybe I missed it, but there's been no new Xperia going through FCC which matches this description.
If it really is the same phone with modified layout, isn't it necessary for it to go through FCC once more? And, even if it isn't necessary, how can Sony justify higher expenses without a valid reason?
Hard to believe Z1 had design flaws which they are going to address with a revised model..
Hard to believe T-Mob required an exclusive model.
The same arguments can be applied when speculating it as an international version of Z1 f?
what conclusions can be reached?
Posted by reeflotz
^ or it could just be a manipulated photoshoppped image for all we know
, nah, kidding, anyway so this should be on January 2014? Don't worry time flies by fast during this time of the year, it'll be January in no time.
Posted by amirprog
My sensible 2014 announcements prediction for the high end devices:
January CES: Z1 Ultra, Tablet Z1
February MWC: Z2
somewhere between: Z2 mini
July: Z2 Ultra
September IFA: Z3
somewhere after: Z3 mini
It makes the most sense to me. What are your thoughts?
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-22 09:03 ]
Posted by Ricky D
I wouldn't expect the Ultra line to get a 6-monthly update, the market for the over-sized devices is much smaller and doesn't warrant such a frequent refresh cycle.
I'm also not sure the 6-monthly refreshes will get a full integer upgrade in the naming scheme. I know you're not suggesting those as the names necessarily, but it would make most sense to have everything in 2014 be numbered with the same number. Saying that, it's been a while since the naming conventions at Sony Mobile made any sense.
Posted by amirprog
On 2013-10-22 11:50:35, Ricky D wrote:
I wouldn't expect the Ultra line to get a 6-monthly update, the market for the over-sized devices is much smaller and doesn't warrant such a frequent refresh cycle.
I'm also not sure the 6-monthly refreshes will get a full integer upgrade in the naming scheme. I know you're not suggesting those as the names necessarily, but it would make most sense to have everything in 2014 be numbered with the same number. Saying that, it's been a while since the naming conventions at Sony Mobile made any sense.
About the ultra, yes, can also make sense. You are saying that maybe the ultra will be updated every calendar year. Maybe sony doesn't want to sell a lot of ultra devices. It seems like they want to make a huge display just for the sake of being unique. They don't care that most people will buy a tablet for big screen when they want to use it and keep their smartphone in their pocket all the time then buy the over sized ultra and be "punished" to carry a bag all the time. Most people also don't wear jackets all the year, some don't wear jackets at all, hehe. To sony i think, the Z1 also takes the phablet place because it's not far from the note 3 size.
They should just shrink the ultra display to 6 inch imo which is the new phablet standard display size (lumina 1520, htc one max) and by that it will maybe still be able to be carried in pants pocket.
Posted by razec
I think it's quite sensible to expect Xperia Tablet "Z1 "on Q1 2014, here's hoping it would carry all the specs unique to ZU (especially the pencil input tech)
Posted by MartenR
Sony sold nearly 1million Xperia C's in 3 month period.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20131021PD201.html
Posted by lewiztoner
Link text...
DIGITIMES [Monday 21 October 2013]
Korea- and China-based TV vendors are looking to cooperate with QD Vision, a maker of quantum dot technology, to develop Ultra HD TV products in 2014.
QD Vision's quantum dot technology has so far only been used in Sony TV products based off agreements between the two companies. However, a one-year contract between the two sides stating that QD Vision would give exclusive rights to the technology to Sony came to an end in third-quarter 2013, which has begun to spur the attention of TV vendors throughout Asia.
The vendors are looking to cooperate with QD Vision to develop Ultra HD TV panels with NTSC 100% and above set to be released in 2014. Currently most of Sony's Ultra HD TV models are equipped with NTSC 90% and above and have been well received in the market.
Despite other vendors looking to cooperate with QD Vision, Sony still plans to maintain strong relations with QD Vision and also plans to release more Ultra HD TVs in 2014 with NTSC 100% and above specifications.
Market observers meanwhile said that OLED TVs have NTSC 125% and above but still have high material costs, making it difficult for the technology to compete in the market.
Sony to no longer be only Ultra HD TV vendor featuring QD Vision quantum dot technology.
how will Sony differentiate its future flagship smartphone screen from others? Will they use Triluminous and Whitemagic together, or ntsc 100%,or ...?
Posted by itsjustJOH
^Triluminos is what they used QD for. And since Sony started it, it can only be improved by others and also Sony until a new tech comes around.
Posted by DACHA
Xperia Z1S is most likely an upgraded Z1 and should come withe the 8974AB SoC. It is like an iPhone 5 to 5S upgrade or an Xperia Arc to Arc S upgrade.
Posted by XperiaCute
On 2013-10-22 10:01:50, amirprog wrote:
My sensible 2014 announcements prediction for the high end devices:
January CES: Z1 Ultra, Tablet Z1
February MWC: Z2
somewhere between: Z2 mini
July: Z2 Ultra
September IFA: Z3
somewhere after: Z3 mini
It makes the most sense to me. What are your thoughts?
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-22 09:03 ]
I think Sony will Release: ( Z1 Mini & Tablet Z1 )
and Xperia Z2 might goes for MWC ..
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Posted by amirprog
@xperiacute
then you mostly agree with me.
they got to save the Z2 for MWC, the best for last. and they barely just releasing Z1 in the world, CES would be too early for Z2.[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-10-22 20:59 ]
Posted by sami92a
On 2013-10-22 19:28:55, DACHA wrote:
Xperia Z1S is most likely an upgraded Z1 and should come withe the 8974AB SoC. It is like an iPhone 5 to 5S upgrade or an Xperia Arc to Arc S upgrade.
is there already a soc better than S800?
Posted by DACHA
Both are S800 SoC but the 8974AB is clocked higher.
MSM8974: Adreno 330 @ 450Mhz and dual channel LPDDR3 @ 800Mhz
MSM8974AB: Adreno 330 @ 550Mhz and dual channel LPDDR3 @ 933Mhz
At CES Qualcomm will announce the next generation SoC which will be based on 20nm or maybe even 14nm tech.
Higher clock speed, less power consumption and most likely other improvements as well.
Posted by -XYZ
AB is a better bin, if I'm not wrong.
Posted by HxH
On 2013-10-23 00:17:12, DACHA wrote:
At CES Qualcomm will announce the next generation SoC which will be based on 20nm or maybe even 14nm tech.
Higher clock speed, less power consumption and most likely other improvements as well.
APQ8084 / Adreno420 maybe?
Posted by rency0722
I just wonder why Sony can't utilize all those features coming from the new Nokia Lumia 1520. All those RAW capture, refocus tech, and manual controls, it seems Sony just can't give all the best it can on one stage.
In fact, I'm weighing off facts like Sony has the camera division, selling PNS to professional cameras, and Nokia's not. For Nokia, it's easy to just develop a software, or even utilizing most of hardware when it comes to their phones just because they don't have a camera division that will make those sales dive down versus mobile.
Ever wonder why Sony didn't include S-Master tech on Xperia? This is for avoiding the conflict between sales of Walkman. Just like it's camera.
For Sony, it's just like they are capable of. They have research and innovation, they can, but they just don't do it. When they do it, it's too late.
I suggest, Sony can do upgrade most of their PNS to one step higher, focusing on larger-sensor Cybershot, as well as pack with water- and dust-resistance, where Sony and Olympus cameras are known for. With this, it will give way to Xperia phones also a step higher on developing larger camera sensors too as well as focusing more on image processing and software development for camera-eccentric hardware.
RAW capture, Sony can. Refocus tech, Sony can. More manual controls, Sony can. We just don't know when.
Posted by vivftp
I think an important point to remember is Nokia has spent many years working on their camera tech for phones to get to where they are right now. Sony, on the other hand has only been working to integrate their digital imaging tech into mobiles for about 1.5 - 2 years now, maybe less depending on when Kaz managed to get things rolling.
I have no doubt they could put larger sensors into their phones, but that would mean making them thicker like the Nokias. They could definately put xenon flashes into phones - Sony Ericsson has done it before. OIS could most definately be done too - the tech they use on their handycams is amazing.
This is only gen 1 of Sonys first serious push towards dumping their digital imaging heritage into phones. Given how relatively innovative Sony has been in digital imaging these past couple of years I do have to wonder if the next gen of phones will be a minor or major leap over the Z1.
If that earlier rumor about parts of Sony not wanting to produce phones that outperform their entry/mid level cameras is true then I hope Kaz stomps on that promotly and pushes further innovation.
Posted by reeflotz
We will see with the upcoming firmware updates and phones on where Sony will be going.
But for the S-Master tech, I believe the reason for that is not the walkman, but because of the cost. Sony headphones with S-Master are priced way higher than headphones without them, and walkman devices aren't exactly cheap either. So I think main reason why that was left out from Xperias was because of cost. They don't want to make the mistake again of putting too expensive devices.
Walkman are pretty much niche devices on their own already, most aimed for audiophiles who had already invested on good pair of headphones and will never use a phone for their music, so even if they did manage to put S-master on xperias without increasing the cost, I highly doubt it will affect walkman sales.
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Posted by pmugghc
Sony CEO Kaz Hirai will give the CES keynote in Jan:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/[....]eo-kaz-hirai-ces-2014-keynote/
Posted by razec
I seem to believe that Kaz will personally unveil the next flagships from now on, like he did on the Z1
I hope we can get more details about the Xperia flagship Tablet
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Posted by rency0722
Right. That was I thought though some sorts of camera sensors were made by Sony. In fact, LG G2's 13 MP OIS cam is custom-made by Sony. 13 MP camera from GNote 3 is an IMX135 Exmor-RS sensor, which only enabled 4K recording for Android 4.3
What we need for Sony to make a true cameraphone is to also top it with manual controls. If Cybershot cameras can, Xperia phone should can.
By the way, I was reading all along the article on the hi-res audio on Galaxy Note 3 and LG G2, and in fact, they use Qualcomm WCD9320, which is incorporated on the Snapdragon 800 SoC. This chip is said to deliver 24-bit/192 kHz audio output. In that matter, Xperias with SD800 should also be supporting that hi-res audio.
Posted by rency0722
4K 12-inch tablets are going to be a thing and Japan Display can prove it
Who wants to see the next Xperia tablet with 4K Triluminos display with WhiteMagic and PixelEyes tech? Sounds oozing!
Posted by Gitaroo
On 2013-10-23 06:34:16, rency0722 wrote:
4K 12-inch tablets are going to be a thing and Japan Display can prove it
Who wants to see the next Xperia tablet with 4K Triluminos display with WhiteMagic and PixelEyes tech? Sounds oozing!
performance won't be ideal, it will be like andoird early life where all the UI is probably laggy.
Posted by vikeviki
On 2013-10-23 06:17:21, rency0722 wrote:
Right. That was I thought though some sorts of camera sensors were made by Sony. In fact, LG G2's 13 MP OIS cam is custom-made by Sony. 13 MP camera from GNote 3 is an IMX135 Exmor-RS sensor, which only enabled 4K recording for Android 4.3
What we need for Sony to make a true cameraphone is to also top it with manual controls. If Cybershot cameras can, Xperia phone should can.
By the way, I was reading all along the article on the hi-res audio on Galaxy Note 3 and LG G2, and in fact, they use Qualcomm WCD9320, which is incorporated on the Snapdragon 800 SoC. This chip is said to deliver 24-bit/192 kHz audio output. In that matter, Xperias with SD800 should also be supporting that hi-res audio.
This post looks attractive to me as I loved Walkman sound and none can deliver the same sound .Is there any android app to play back high resolution audio in case of same audio chipset,?
Posted by rency0722
By the way, is the Walkman app not having an output of hi-res audio? Or is there any hardware needed for this, like the headset jack on the phone?
Posted by reeflotz
You'll need both software and hardware and a very good ear (yes I'm not kidding) to at least be able to hear the difference:
dedicated chip that outputs 24-bit/192 kHz audio
software that can play flac format with 24-bit/192 kHz resolution
a very good and properly amped premium headphone (Sennheiser, Audio Technica, AKG, Sony, Beyer, Shure etc.)
and a huge storage since flac format can easily eat up gigs of free space.
Now guys don't hate me for this one, but I don't see the point of 24-bit/192 kHz audio on a mobile phone, at least not now. First of all, hi-fi equipment is pretty much a special equipment, those headphones do not come cheap at all, and some will need an amp depending on construction and their impedance.
Second, sampling rates higher than about 50 kHz to 60 kHz is usually unusable for human ear due to our limitation of hearing. In my personal experience when I tried some flac music the difference between 44khz and 48khz is already very minimal and I'd only notice it if I literally focus on the music and try to concentrate on the highs. I used my ATH SJ33 headphones for that, I might hear a little bit more difference if I have a much more hi-fi headphone but I doubt it.
Third, the music that you're going to play will have to be available in that format, and you cannot convert an mp3 to that format since the data had already been lost upon converting it to an mp3. Audio CD will not work either since they are encoded at 44khz, you'll need at least DVD audio, HD DVD audio or Blu ray sources, re-encode it to flac to take advantage of it.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-10-23 09:20 ]
Posted by razec
On 2013-10-23 10:13:04, reeflotz wrote:
You'll need both software and hardware and a very good ear (yes I'm not kidding) to at least be able to hear the difference:
dedicated chip that outputs 24-bit/192 kHz audio
software that can play flac format with 24-bit/192 kHz resolution
a very good and properly amped premium headphone (Sennheiser, Audio Technica, AKG, Sony, Beyer, Shure etc.)
and a huge storage since flac format can easily eat up gigs of free space.
Now guys don't hate me for this one, but I don't see the point of 24-bit/192 kHz audio on a mobile phone, at least not now. First of all, hi-fi equipment is pretty much a special equipment, those headphones do not come cheap at all, and some will need an amp depending on construction and their impedance.
Second, sampling rates higher than about 50 kHz to 60 kHz is usually unusable for human ear due to our limitation of hearing. In my personal experience when I tried some flac music the difference between 44khz and 48khz is already very minimal and I'd only notice it if I literally focus on the music and try to concentrate on the highs. I used my ATH SJ33 headphones for that, I might hear a little bit more difference if I have a much more hi-fi headphone but I doubt it.
Third, the music that you're going to play will have to be available in that format, and you cannot convert an mp3 to that format since the data had already been lost upon converting it to an mp3. Audio CD will not work either since they are encoded at 44khz, you'll need at least DVD audio, HD DVD audio or Blu ray sources, re-encode it to flac to take advantage of it.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-10-23 09:20 ]
+1
Posted by huiyi
November 12 in Shanghai Sony new conference! ! Z1F international version? ? There Code "tianchi" display 6 "720P.MTK. Inexpensive.
Posted by razec
@Huiyi, chances that the chipset would be the 8-core MediaTek?
Posted by huiyi
On 2013-10-23 14:13:16, razec wrote:
@Huiyi, chances that the chipset would be the 8-core MediaTek?
May not be released "tianchi". Z1F it may not. .8 core MTK Maybe. .
Posted by razec
On 2013-10-23 14:40:16, huiyi wrote:
On 2013-10-23 14:13:16, razec wrote:
@Huiyi, chances that the chipset would be the 8-core MediaTek?
May not be released "tianchi". Z1F it may not. .8 core MTK Maybe. .
You mean "tianchi" may not be released at all?
Posted by XperiaCute
On 2013-10-23 14:07:41, huiyi wrote:
November 12 in Shanghai Sony new conference! ! Z1F international version? ? There Code "tianchi" display 6.0" 720p .MTK. Inexpensive.
Xperia C Ultra ..
I wish they announce Xperia Z1F Globally but most likely is not going to happen ..
I even still remember ( Zomg ) saying Tablet Z1 is to be launched somewhere in November ..
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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2013-10-23 14:04 ]
Posted by DiyaGGD
On 2013-10-23 14:50:21, XperiaCute wrote:
On 2013-10-23 14:07:41, huiyi wrote:
November 12 in Shanghai Sony new conference! ! Z1F international version? ? There Code "tianchi" display 6.0" 720p .MTK. Inexpensive.
Xperia C Ultra ..
I wish they announce Xperia Z1F Globally but most likely is not going to happen ..
I even still remember ( Zomg ) saying Tablet Z1 is to be launched somewhere in November ..
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[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2013-10-23 14:04 ]
Might not be C Ultra xD .... But I'm sure it's a decent inexpensive phone
and I think Tablet Z1 should be introduced in this conference too.... if not...
Then CES2014 should be the date
Posted by XperiaCute
Introduces Japan display, 12.1 inches tablet for the "4K" LCD
October 23, today, Ltd. Japan Display has announced that it has developed a 12.1 inches 4K display tablet.
Product Description is as follows:
Screen Size: 12.1 inches
Screen resolution: 3840 x 2160
Pixel density: 365ppi
Gamut: 365ppi
Screen brightness: 500cd
In addition to be realized in a mobile environment a 4K TV by this product, leave the definition sense equivalent to full HD smartphone, the size of four times, be able to enjoy dynamic image there is a sense of depth is delicate, thin and low power consumption , I realize Bezeruresu, we have to be applicable to high-performance and high-end tablet notebook PC.
This product seems to be which is being held at Pacifico Yokohama up to 25 October 23 to "FPD International 2013".
[ This Message was edited by: XperiaCute on 2013-10-23 14:49 ]
Posted by razec
12 inches for a tablet is too much
Unless it's a hybrid like the VAIO Duo which IMHO should come with a digitizer pen as well
Posted by rency0722
On 2013-10-23 16:59:38, razec wrote:
12 inches for a tablet is too much
Unless it's a hybrid like the VAIO Duo which IMHO should come with a digitizer pen as well
I also look forward to compete with Samsung ATIV with hybrid boot. But I could care less what branding it'll be under, whether VAIO or Xperia.
Posted by xdomino996
On 2013-10-22 10:01:50, amirprog wrote:
My sensible 2014 announcements prediction for the high end devices:
January CES: Z1 Ultra, Tablet Z1
February MWC: Z2
somewhere between: Z2 mini
July: Z2 Ultra
September IFA: Z3
somewhere after: Z3 mini
I would like:
January CES: Tablet Z1
MWC Z1 Ultra
IFA Z2 and Z2 mini.
One flagship on year.
Z2 and Z2 mini with AQ8084, 2.5ghz 20nm, Adreno 420 and 3gb RAM
[ This Message was edited by: xdomino996 on 2013-10-23 16:09 ]
Posted by razec
On 2013-10-23 17:04:17, rency0722 wrote:
On 2013-10-23 16:59:38, razec wrote:
12 inches for a tablet is too much
Unless it's a hybrid like the VAIO Duo which IMHO should come with a digitizer pen as well
I also look forward to compete with Samsung ATIV with hybrid boot. But I could care less what branding it'll be under, whether VAIO or Xperia.
I'd say BIG NO to dual boot with android/windows, I just don't see the point, X86 chips are still hotter and more power hungry, and you just can't play graphics intensive games on a crippled GPU even if it carries the i3 or i5 moniker. forget about windows RT/Android as well it's an even more absurd idea in comparison.
an XPERIA hybrid tablet would mean it carries an ARM chip rather than an X86 one, or it'd be a VAIO product instead
Google must be planning to merge both Chrome OS and Android in the near future, now that's something I'd certainly look forward into
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-10-23 16:21 ]
Posted by nodarsixar
I would like........... event!
Xperia Z1S (xperia z1 mini)- Nov 12
Xperia Tablet Z1- Nov-Dec
Xperia C1-Nov 12
Xperia Z1 Ultra and Xperia Note(5.5 inch)-CEC-MWC
Xperia Z2 - Sony's special mono event
Xperia Z2S (Z2 mini) and Tablet Z2 -IFA
I say, Xperia Note has 5.5 inch 2K display and camera whith Xperia Z1
Posted by razec
I hope you realize that 2K is essentially 1920x1080 (FHD)
Posted by xdomino996
no, 2k is 2560x1600. FHD is 1k.
FHD enough. Less load GPU.
Posted by reeflotz
@ razec
Agree with avoiding the hybrid, even if there was a dedicated video card on board, heat will be the next issue. I had to limit my notebook's i5 clock speed to avoid excessive heat when gaming because the dedicated gpu heats up too. Fan becomes a blower
Posted by razec
Ooops
my bad 
I agree though, 2K or whatever it is is just a waste of GPU resource, Android's HD games still isn't on the level of the PSVita's. A useless innovation if it could be called as such
improve image quality by improving the display tech, not by shrinking as much pixels as you can and calling it an innovation
