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Reuters: Nokia could burn through its cash as soon as next year


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Posted by Tsepz_GP



Nokia’s decision to pay $2.2 billion to buy out the remaining stake in the Nokia Siemens Networks business is expected to put a major strain on its cash reserves, Reuters reports. In fact, Reuters notes that the combined pressures of paying for the NSN acquisition and maintaining its handset business mean that the company “could burn through its cash as soon as next year.” Pohjola analyst Hannu Rauhala tells Reuters that this could further erode Nokia’s position in the mobile market because “if they constantly have to be worried about the cash position, it restricts their ability to move, to react to changes in the market.” The surprise full acquisition of NSN has sparked speculation that Nokia may be planning to spin off its handset business to Microsoft, although Microsoft recently backed out of merger negotiations with the company because it was reportedly worried about Nokia’s low market share.


http://bgr.com/2013/07/02/nokia-cash-position-analysis/

Wall Street is now convinced that Nokia will sell its handset business


Here is a puzzle: Nokia’s cash position has suddenly shrunk from 4 billion euros to 2-2.5 billion euros… but the company’s share price is higher than it was before Nokia announced it will spend 1.7 billion euros to buy full control in Nokia Siemens Networks. Wall Street is feeling perfectly calm even though it now looks like Nokia’s cash burn during the second quarter may have been as high as 850 million euros. Why aren’t investors freaking out about A) the cost of the Nokia Siemens Network acquisition and B) the confession about the handset division cash burn level during spring? At this rate, Nokia may run out of cash during the summer of 2014.

The most plausible answer is that Wall Street is now convinced that Nokia is going to sell its handset unit.

There is no reason to worry about the cash burn rate or current cash reserves if the phone division will be gone by Christmas. Spending nearly half of its cash reserves on the NSN acquisition was such a bold gambit that few people believe that Nokia would have made it without having a clear plan for exiting the phone business.

Is it really this easy? Can Nokia find a buyer for its phone unit even if the most motivated suitor, Microsoft, turned it down as recently as June?

One thing is certain: very close attention will now be paid to Nokia’s June-quarter feature phone unit volume when the company reports its spring numbers. The 10 million unit feature phone volume miss was the biggest negative surprise in the company’s first-quarter report — Nokia’s feature phone erosion is what likely drove Nokia’s spring cash burn in the second quarter. That is the issue that may determine how much money Nokia will burn next winter, and whether that number is going to be big enough to scare off suitors.

Everything now rides on how Nokia’s Asha phone range fared against competition from cheap Huawei and Micromax Android phones in Johannesburg and Mumbai over the past few months.


http://bgr.com/2013/07/03/nokia-handset-unit-sale-analysis/
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-07-03 15:04 ]



Posted by randomuser
That is SAD

I don't really love Nokia but this is going to really bad. Never really though I'd see Nokia quit the phone business. I sure hope they don't but seems there isn't much hope.

Won't feel good to see Nokia go away.

Hopefully the EOS can help them consolidate market share.

BTW, where is Bonovox ? He hasn't been online in the past few days
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-07-03 15:35 ]


Posted by razec
WTH, I might be a Sony/SE fan since 2005 but I've always regarded Nokia the brand that Introduces me to the world of mobile communication. I blame Elop for all this mess that's happening there.

Stupid Elop should've never been hired as the company's CEO, he's the termite that crippled the foundations of Nokia
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-07-03 15:59 ]


Posted by alenn
Yeah, so sad.Nokia's fault.Elop needs to go to jail.Not saying that WP is crap, but it was Nokia's worst mistake ever.
If they moved out of mobile industry, then start again as a different firm, then, they could start with MeeGo.Of course that's my dream.

Bonovox has said that he won't be visiting Esato anymore...
Here's the link.

Posted by bart
Let us wait for the EOS first.
Sometimes it only takes one device (with a bit of markething) to become very profitable.

But i do agree with the rest of the world when it comes to Elop, he needs to be locked up in jail for crimes against the world

Posted by Ranjith
This is Sad.
If NOKIA leaves..its the end of an Era.Ericsson,SonyEricsson,Motorola,Alcatel and NOKIA would have perished

Windows phones and NOKIA are great..i just hope for a miracle.I hope the other fa nboys wake and realize this is such a good product and most likely serves them better than what they have instead of following the herd.

Posted by Away
JUST MAKE AN ANDROID DEVICE!!!!!

Do you know how many fans Nokia still has waiting for it to embrace android?

Posted by kewsvnet
yeah real shame if Nokia sell of the phone business!! i really do like their phones! I wish Nokia had not been exclusively using WP as the OS...their hardware on android would be fantastic...I could really see a Nokia resurrection with that!

not saying WP is crap infact I do like it in some ways...I just prefer the Google ecosystem which is best available on android...I really do not want to be using Bing as my default search, and I am sure there are plenty of people who feel the same way

Posted by cu015170
Nokia messed up big time.. bad management for decades would do that to any company. Its a shame because their engineering has been top notch for a very long time. Their R&D department was one of the best in the world..


On 2013-07-03 21:12:55, Ranjith wrote:
This is Sad.
If NOKIA leaves..its the end of an Era.Ericsson,SonyEricsson,Motorola,Alcatel and NOKIA would have perished


Software > Hardware ..

we know this from the PC business. The US software cartel has never been more powerful than it is today. Without Google Samsung/Sony/LG and the rest of the OEMs will be nowhere.

Let's just say that Google starts making Motorola phones, and it only provides android to itself.. the rest will be pretty much out of business.

Let's say that Microsoft buys Nokia, and starts making their own phones, and it only provides WP to itself.. the rest will be pretty much out of business.

Apple is already doing it.. so no need for a hypothetical scenario.

Of course, they wouldn't do that, but it gives you perspective.


Posted by goldenface
It would be sad if they off loaded their mobile arm. It would be the end of an era indeed, the amount of SE v Nokia discussions in these forums - the sparks really flew ha ha.

May be they just need to bite the bullet and take some tough discussions.

Posted by cu015170
Ericsson and Nokia were the pioneers of this industry..

It was a sad day when Sony finally bought Ericsson, and it will be the same if Nokia gets sold as well.

Posted by admad
Not saying that WP is crap, but it was Nokia's worst mistake ever.


It IS crap. Microsoft is the only company that's been involved in mobile OS for 13 years now. It should have the best experience in this area, however they Windows Phone OS is just years behind competition. For example such a trivial thing like 1080p screen support, AFAIK they are still working on it... Not to mention it's closed OS just like iOS, but Apple have epic fanboys, while the same can't be said for Microsoft, and many people don't fancy the complete lack of file manager.

Posted by Ranjith
I guess i have asked this earlier..dont remember

Why exactly isn't NOKIA attempting Android along with WP ,at this point?i mean as the last straw.Had they signed some WP-only exclusive deal with MS?

Posted by Away

On 2013-07-04 11:31:37, Ranjith wrote:
I guess i have asked this earlier..dont remember

Why exactly isn't NOKIA attempting Android along with WP ,at this point?i mean as the last straw.Had they signed some WP-only exclusive deal with MS?



Because Elop is a Microsoft agent. His only task was to make Nokia buyable.

I've said it before. If I was a Nokia shareholder, I would have invested in the assassination of Elop a long time ago.

One reason given was because they would have struggled to differentiate themselves. So they chose an OS which looks the same on every device, where the specs are the same and the design of the devices is the same too.

Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2013-07-03 16:56:11, razec wrote:
WTH, I might be a Sony/SE fan since 2005 but I've always regarded Nokia the brand that Introduces me to the world of mobile communication. I blame Elop for all this mess that's happening there.

Stupid Elop should've never been hired as the company's CEO, he's the termite that crippled the foundations of Nokia
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2013-07-03 15:59 ]



I too, as a former fan, would be very saddened if Nokia was to exit the cellphone business. However its all for not really.

1. If this occurs it'll be Nokia's second transition into a completely new business; remember they where textile before cellular for almost 100yrs (I think).
2. 2.5 Billion for the controlling sole entity stake in the chipset, base station, mobile network and cellular infrastructure business, amongst others. I have a BIG feeling they'll enter the M2M market as a leading mobile network infrastructure solutions provider and compete with BlackBerry for M2M channel business ... VERY lucrative.

I don't agree that Stephen Elop is the blame on this one for several reasons. Nokia, like BlackBerry was already in a downward sales, declining revenue, rapid market share loss over the past 2 years - I'd say very close to BlackBerry's at the very same time lines! Heck I'd even wager their stock price plummeted in concert. Stephen, either intentionally done himself or was a puppet to seal the deal with Windows Phone platform with Microsoft which actually has been keeping them afloat ALL this time!! Remember those un-reported exact figures of financial backing by Microsoft that completely went against the purchase our proprietary software model and we'll give you the world of services and infrastructure - IF the volume is right? So you cannot really blame him without concrete evidence his actions are the root cause. Also I highly doubt the previous executive team/guard would've kept Nokia afloat as long or fare any better ... remember, again like BlackBerry former management guidance and VERY slow action was the reason for the prolonged and step decline in the first place leaving the job open to Elop for CEO of Nokia.

The ONLY different between Nokia and BlackBerry is that BlackBerry never:
1. Gave up their core services infrastructure (services and software); Nokia killed OVI.
2. Re-invented their own mobile smartphone OS/Kernel with a major purchase that aligned them for M2M business,
3. Rid themselves of the partnerships with carriers and most importantly the infrastructure for a dedicated NOC and APN on over 600 providers (global) networks with a dedicated data pipe.

So what is Nokia doing in services or the future hold for them beyond the upcoming EOS device? One could argue that if Nokia went for Android, they may have been able to stomp a mud hole in Samsungs derriere before the SGS IIx debuted and other variants gained global traction/attraction. Hindset is 20/20 is it not?

Posted by cu015170
Calling WP crap is borderline fanboyish behavior.. don't do that..

Its a solid OS that needs work, just like any other out there. Technically WP is at version 1.0 right now since they are using a completely different core with WP8 compared to 7..

Do you remember android 1.0 ?

It was an awful piece of software. And even to this day its still a hack job with its java VM machine.. its not as clean as it should be. Nokia showed everyone how a Linux distro should work on a mobile device with Maemo/MeeGo + QT .. a much better implementation compared to Google's.

And.. android is nothing more than an advertising distributional platform for Google. It was a very cool project before Google bought it... personally, I try to stay away from it. A good camera phone by Sony, or an American made Motorola are the only two temptations for me..



Posted by Supa_Fly

On 2013-07-05 03:38:23, cu015170 wrote:
Calling WP crap is borderline fanboyish behavior.. don't do that..

Its a solid OS that needs work, just like any other out there. Technically WP is at version 1.0 right now since they are using a completely different core with WP8 compared to 7..

Do you remember android 1.0 ?

It was an awful piece of software. And even to this day its still a hack job with its java VM machine.. its not as clean as it should be. Nokia showed everyone how a Linux distro should work on a mobile device with Maemo/MeeGo + QT .. a much better implementation compared to Google's.

And.. android is nothing more than an advertising distributional platform for Google. It was a very cool project before Google bought it... personally, I try to stay away from it. A good camera phone by Sony, or an American made Motorola are the only two temptations for me..


Unfortunately WP is not at 1.0 ... its already had 2 iterations ... 7/7.1/7.5 ... that latter two I'm referring to. Also it's had time to add features that are expected to be common place (and expected by all users of various platforms) since its iteration. This is why even though I love BB10 as a mobile OS it still pails in comparison to so many features that once made BlackBerry king in terms of mobile messaging. Same deal is being dealt to WP.

Does anyone know what WP8 will look like or bring to the hand? (I wanted to say bring to the table but we use our smartphones in hand ).

I'll agree with Maemo ... and did you know that BB10 actually uses QML (or QT which is the programing environment, QML is the language) for its native apps - called "Cascades" ?


Posted by cu015170
7.x and 6.x were all based on Windows CE, windows phone 8 is based on Windows NT, which is why its 1.0

Windows CE is legitimately up to 7.5 since development started in the 90s.

If you really get down to it Windows Phone 8 should be version 6.2 , which is what Windows NT is, but the difference between the desktop OS and the mobile OS is significant enough to where I think its more like 1.0

The networking stack alone and the power management around that are big enough challenges...

BB10 is the closest OS to Symbian. Both run on real time kernels.. and overall a very modern approach on a system level. All the other ones are either monoliths or hybrids.

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Supa_fly

I think you mean WP8.1 OR 9? WP8 has been out since last year in phones such as the Lumia 920/925/928, HTC 8X, Samsung Ativ S etc...
So there's been WP7, 7.1, 7.5 and 8.


It is quite shocking to see MS looking like a novice in an industry they've been in for over a decade. They've had THREE attempts now, 1st with Windows Mobile, 2nd with the D.O.A Kin phones and 3rd with Windows Phone, and each time it seems they just can't get a break.

IMO, MS were simply too slow to move when the iPhone came in, and just as they were looking at the iPhone, Android landed and took ALL their WM partners with it. Same with Nokia, simply too slow to move.

Nokia had their chance, THERE was Maemo and eventually MeeGo. I remember simply drooling at the thought of getting the Nokia N900, they had a masterpiece of an OS there, in came Elop and scrapped it all.

Personally I was excited about WP at 1st, but soon lost enthusiasm when it was revealed how much like iOS it was trying to be and the tons of features it lacked. WP8 brought a lot to WP, and WP is now quite a decent OS, but it's still so behind in specs and there is simply not enough differentiation between the phones, sure the Nokias have their apps and Cameras, but those two simply aren't enough to differentiate them, so IMO, awful idea to hire Elop, he has, IMO, ruined a great company and the next CEO, if Nokia stays, is going to have one hell of a mess to clean up.

Would be sad to see them go.

Posted by Supa_Fly
I clearly stand corrected and was mis-informed until today. Many thanks gentleman!!

So the next OS for Microsoft is WP9 in the mobile space? Heck I didn't even know WinCE was still being used by M$ in phones, I thought they abolished that years ago.

Posted by Ranjith
Got to play with my dads HTC 8x again after some time. I just cant understand what exactly the casual smart phone users are missing in WP from Android!

Its really stupid to see those massive Android crowds that just live around Whatsapp/FB and clicking pictures blindly diss WP .

Posted by Away
Saying windows is only on a beginning version can't be used as an argument. It could have been if there was no such thing as time, but there is, so the argument doesn't stand.

Even if it's on a relatively new iteration, iOS, and more significantly android, are not. And that's what windows is competing with.

Regardless of which OS is the best for users, currently, only android is available which can ship a lot of units which Nokia can embrace.


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