Posted by sami92a
On 2013-04-29 18:08:02, smclion102 wrote:
word...
Wow i´m really confused about this "One Sony Honami"...
Posted by randomuser
One Sony = Honami, as I've said numerous times in the past. There are no two separate phones - one sony and honami. One sony is just a term used to refer to the phone like Ray 3, phablet etc.
Posted by vivftp
On 2013-04-29 16:01:34, DACHA wrote:
Xperia Honami
Snapdragon 800 MSM8974 2.0Ghz
5" IPS display(most likely IGZO-IPS)
16MP camera with LED (nothing close to Nokia 808 PureView)
2GB RAM
2650 mAh Battery
Global release in September/October (including Japan)
It saddens me that you sources say no xenon flash. I was REALLY hoping we would finally see it in a Sony top end phone. Still hopeful that we'll see it
The info about the 1/1.6" sensor is very nice to hear though... it's a frickin' monster compared to the previous sensors Sony has used.
I don't suppose there's any word about OIS showing up for the camera though, is there?
Posted by kurtdean
On 2013-04-29 16:01:34, DACHA wrote:
Xperia UL (Gaga)
5" FHD
APQ8064 (1.5GHz, quad-core)
2GB
Dust-proof and waterproof
IR
Removable 2300mAh battery
Slightlyt short than Z same width as Z and thicker than Z
Illuminated Sony logo
Summer release
Xperia A (Dogo)
Same specs as UL except
Smaller display 4.6" HD and smaller in size.
Also XA will be released before UL.
Xperia Honami
Snapdragon 800 MSM8974 2.0Ghz
5" IPS display(most likely IGZO-IPS)
16MP camera with LED (nothing close to Nokia 808 PureView)
2GB RAM
2650 mAh Battery
Global release in September/October (including Japan)
Maybe the 'mysterious device' that Random was talking about is the Xperia that have snapdragon clocked at 2.0 ghz, 16mp camera and a 2650 mah battery. The One Sony aka Honami will have 20mp camera, snapdragon 800 clocked at 2.3 ghz and a 3000 mah battery IMO
Posted by randomuser
^
NO. Simply because the specs of the mystery device are not finalized yet. It's not even in Alpha stage. It may be cancelled as well
And seems like S800 will be clocked at 1.7ghz on both phablet and one sony. Same with LG Optimus G2. Apparently battery life is affected @ 2.3ghz so all manufacturers are sticking to 1.7ghz clock.
ALSO
C360X is cancelled apparently
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-04-30 05:22 ]
Posted by vivftp
It's not like you really need the darned thing to run at 2.3GHz anyways for stellar performance. I'd much rather sacrifice that performance boost for better battery life anyways.
So ramu, your sources mention anything about the xenon flash?
Posted by randomuser
Yes but don't have 100% confirmation yet.
Though it most likely will, when you have a HUGE sensor it is OBVIOUS that Xenon flash WILL be included.
Posted by vivftp
Excellent! So I'll get Honami and sell my RX100
Well, it seems that July will be the announce window for Japan at least for some of these things. Are we now expecting Togari and Honami to both show up at that event? If so, I'm wonder if we'll see the watch and net tablet there too, or if they'll wait for IFA for that.
Posted by jianlin
i hope the 7 inch xperia tablet use s800 at full clock though...
btw d last SE phone use xenon flash is satio i guess.
[ This Message was edited by: jianlin on 2013-04-30 05:40 ]
Posted by randomuser
Don't worry about flash. It will have a powerful flash, Xenon or not. They might use Plasma Flash as well, which was used in Japanese Cybershot cameras.
Although, you shouldn't believe my "fantasies" you know
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-04-30 05:43 ]
Posted by vivftp
Ramu stop with your day dreams and give us facts!!
Heh, xenon, plasma... as long as it's a helluva lot better than standard LED flashes I'm good. BTW, which Cybershots had a plasma flash?
On a side note, how the hell does Sony manage to make something like this that's waterproof down to 16 feet and also drop proof to 5 feet, but the phones can't do that?
Funny enough though, the sensor in that handycam is 1/3.91" which is even tinier than the Xperia Z, let alone the rumored sensor on the Homani.
http://store.sony.ca/webapp/w[....]552921666458608#specifications
Posted by jianlin
im sure sony can bring us shockproof xperia in future...
Posted by randomuser
Cybershot S006 Sony Ericsson. 16 mp camera with Plasma flash
Cybershot S003 Sony Ericsson. 12 mp with Plasma Flash
Posted by jianlin
from s006 shooting function..
(ISO12800) Random Movie ™, face texture, BestPic ™, Magical shot ™, vivid high sensitivity range optimizer
would like to see these in xperia...
[ This Message was edited by: jianlin on 2013-04-30 06:23 ]
Posted by randomuser
Sensor size comparison
Honami Vs Nokia N8
LEFT: Honami RIGHT: Nokia N8
Honami vs Nokia Pureview 808
LEFT: Honami RIGHT: Nokia Pureview 808
Posted by jianlin
wow...1/1.2 and 1/1.6 seem big different too..
Posted by randomuser
Hahaha now imagine Xperia Z sensor vs Pureview 808
1/3.06" vs 1/1.2"
Posted by jianlin
On 2013-04-30 07:48:41, randomuser wrote:
Hahaha now imagine Xperia Z sensor vs Pureview 808
1/3.06" vs 1/1.2"
would u like to do another 1 wiv z vs one sony vs 808...
huiyi posted 1 is z vs one sony..
galaxy camera use 1/2.3...when one sony release...it will be biggest sensor camera for android smartphone
[ This Message was edited by: jianlin on 2013-04-30 06:53 ]
Posted by Xajel
I just can't understand how a phone with such large sensor will be thin, it's a fact that with current technology you can't have a large sensor with slim profile unless when you use mechanical lens assembly like point and shoot cameras...
and having such a mechanical thing will mean much slower first shot...
Posted by vivftp
On 2013-04-30 07:51:12, Xajel wrote:
I just can't understand how a phone with such large sensor will be thin, it's a fact that with current technology you can't have a large sensor with slim profile unless when you use mechanical lens assembly like point and shoot cameras...
and having such a mechanical thing will mean much slower first shot...
The Pureview 808 was 13.9mm, so if the Homani is roughly 10mm give or take, it's easily plausible for it to have a sensor like that. If it's Exmor RS, then it's very easily possible.
Posted by randomuser
Okay jianlin, here you go. Xperia Z sensor inside 808's. It's just a tiny dot
Posted by maloqs
@random
does 4GB RAM necessary for honami?
Posted by vikeviki
On 2013-04-30 08:09:42, maloqs wrote:
@random
does 4GB RAM necessary for honami?
Might use for 4k output,just check s800 features in youtube,it has true dts 7.1 surrouns sound(for got naming) and continuous voice recognition always on with true tracking for video
Posted by jianlin
necessary for tech geeks..haha
y nokia din use android if not...nice competition with sony..haha
Posted by randomuser
Here's a better comparison.
Posted by randomuser
I think why I and most people refer to it as One Sony is because it's the first phone that follows One Sony approach. And also it's a series of phones. One Sony 1 = Honami and in 2014 there will be One Sony 2.
hence the use of the "nickname"
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-04-30 07:38 ]
Posted by vivftp
Hey, everyone else is doing a comparison so here's one including the RX100
I really do wonder if we'll see the RX100 sensor in a phone next year.
[ This Message was edited by: vivftp on 2013-04-30 07:43 ]
Posted by vikeviki
On 2013-04-30 08:32:20, aurelius wrote:
On 2013-04-30 05:44:20, randomuser wrote:
One Sony = Honami, as I've said numerous times in the past.
I'm not gonna argue too much cause it's irrelevant but 'One Sony' is the strategy in which Kaz Hirai tries to turn SONY into profability and bringing the company together as a whole. I just wanted to simplify so that we talk about the phones by the work names not by some strategic philosophy!
So bro you mean Ray 3 /Xperia Dogo / Honami are all comes under One Sony.
Posted by randomuser
No. For this year only honami comes under one sony.
Posted by vikeviki
Aurelius any more info you have got
Rubenos you also
Huiyi yoo tooo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Posted by jianlin
http://www.htc.com/www/zoe/ultrapixel-sensor-size/
@ramu...what about the surface area size? 2 x 2 micrometer too?
[ This Message was edited by: jianlin on 2013-04-30 07:58 ]
Posted by randomuser
jianlin, I think I posted that a few pages back. It's similar or more than HTC One's.
Don't worry, HTC One camera stands no where near Honami in ANY scenario.
Pureview 808 is the ONLY competition for Honami. Also Nokia EOS. EOS may have similar sensor size as Honami.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-04-30 08:16 ]
Posted by jianlin
good...d htc one 4mp suck in detailed image...
Posted by rss_ndrsn
If Honami does not sport xenon flash, you guys should not be disappointed. Next year, we may see a thin smartphone, in general, with xenon flash as researchers have developed thin capacitor which is roughly 1 mm thick. We should not be sad but look ahead in a brighter future. There is a high chance this would end up in One Sony devices next year or in the future.
Here's the link for the new capacitor:
http://www.androidauthority.c[....]chers-xenon-flash-tiny-158808/
Posted by geniusming
On 2013-04-30 09:15:23, randomuser wrote:
jianlin, I think I posted that a few pages back. It's similar or more than HTC One's.
Don't worry, HTC One camera stands no where near Honami in ANY scenario.
Pureview 808 is the ONLY competition for Honami. Also Nokia EOS. EOS may have similar sensor size as Honami.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-04-30 08:16 ]
Will One Sony has OIS (Optical Image Stabilizer) ?
I really want a fast, stable camera, hope Sony can do it.
P.S. I tried Pureview 808 before, it's image is excellent, however, the speed of camera is quite slow.
Posted by sighduck
Why are the sensors in the diagrams round? Sensors are not round like the lenses...
Posted by randomuser
Just for illustrative purpose.
@geniusming
I will post it here if I come to hear anything on OIS. So far I haven't.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-04-30 09:17 ]
Posted by vivftp
… plus I'm lazy
Honami should have an amazing camera since Sonys imaging division is in control of it. So excited!
Posted by vikeviki
On 2013-04-30 10:14:36, vivftp wrote:
… plus I'm lazy
Honami should have an amazing camera since Sonys imaging division is in control of it. So excited!
selling your Rx100,PM me,excited me too
Posted by Ambivalent_
On 2013-04-30 06:19:21, randomuser wrote:
And seems like S800 will be clocked at 1.7ghz on both phablet and one sony. Same with LG Optimus G2. Apparently battery life is affected @ 2.3ghz so all manufacturers are sticking to 1.7ghz.
So One Sony will be nowhere near the fastest phone as it seems that Note 3 will decimate it specs.
Very disapointing!
Posted by bipinm
On 2013-04-30 10:02:11, sighduck wrote:
Why are the sensors in the diagrams round? Sensors are not round like the lenses...
I was about to ask the same question...It should be rectangle...
Posted by randomuser
On 2013-04-30 11:28:19, Ambivalent_ wrote:
On 2013-04-30 06:19:21, randomuser wrote:
And seems like S800 will be clocked at 1.7ghz on both phablet and one sony. Same with LG Optimus G2. Apparently battery life is affected @ 2.3ghz so all manufacturers are sticking to 1.7ghz.
So One Sony will be nowhere near the fastest phone as it seems that Note 3 will decimate it specs.
Very disapointing!
What?
Note 3 stands nowhere near Honami. Exynos Octa is barely faster than S600. Even 1.7ghz can handily beat 2 ghz Exynos Octa. And the GPU on S800 is 2x faster than Exynos Octa.
Posted by JoJotaro
So the sensor and lens haven't been finalized yet?
[ This Message was edited by: JoJotaro on 2013-04-30 11:23 ]
Posted by randomuser
On 2013-04-30 12:23:30, JoJotaro wrote:
So the sensor and lens haven't been finalized yet?
[ This Message was edited by: JoJotaro on 2013-04-30 11:23 ]
They have been finalized.
Posted by kurtdean
On 2013-04-30 12:28:55, randomuser wrote:
On 2013-04-30 12:23:30, JoJotaro wrote:
So the sensor and lens haven't been finalized yet?
[ This Message was edited by: JoJotaro on 2013-04-30 11:23 ]
They have been finalized.
Carl zeiss is confirmed?
Posted by randomuser
No Carl Zeiss.
Posted by nightwing369
On 2013-04-30 12:45:15, randomuser wrote:
No Carl Zeiss.
Posted by kurtdean
On 2013-04-30 12:45:15, randomuser wrote:
No Carl Zeiss.
Too bad
SONY can't use it because it's exclusive for Nokia smartphones only
Posted by Ambivalent_
On 2013-04-30 12:13:13, randomuser wrote:
Note 3 stands nowhere near Honami. Exynos Octa is barely faster than S600. Even 1.7ghz can handily beat 2 ghz Exynos Octa. And the GPU on S800 is 2x faster than Exynos Octa.
Ex Octa barely faster than S600!? Oh c'mon man, Ex Octa scores 5000 points higher on AnTuTu! That's not barely.
So Ex Octa scores 28.000 points with a 1.6 Ghz cloack. The Korean version with it's 1.8 ghz/per core should go pass 30.000 points and Note 3 with 2 Ghz will be in the realm of 35.000.
So, keeping in mind that S600 with 1.9 Ghz scores 23.000, S800 would have to be 50 percent stronger than S600 to be comparable with Ex Octa and all of that would have to be done with lower core frequency.
Here are some links for the data I used:
http://www.ibtimes.com/samsun[....]-600-according-antutu-1183361#
http://www.sammobile.com/2013[....]ills-qualcomms-snapdragon-600/
Posted by randomuser
^
0.2ghz clock speed increase doesn't give you 5k extra in Antutu. Get real
2.3ghz S800 scores 34000. 2ghz Exynos will score about 30k and 1.7ghz S800 will also score about the same. In most other benchmarks S800 will be faster than Octa and GPU performance is 2x more.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-04-30 12:04 ]