Posted by motvikt
On 2012-04-19 13:01:40, Ricky D wrote:
There still is and always will be a market for hardware keyboards and when RIM finally shut up shop (or their patents get bought for a few pence by someone) their regular customers will be looking for a new product. We will probably see a small fight in this sector then and until then (or just before) manufacturers will keep the R&D for keyboard products to a minimum.
I think Xperia S is already over priced and should be below 400 Euro. It doesn't hold much special at all in the market at the moment. The sooner Hayabusa comes out the better regardless of whether or not it steps on the toes of the current portfolio.
OT and contrary to my above statement: I was down n the electronics market in Beijing today and noticed a small change in the tide. Usually the Chinese flood for the piePhones with any other phone by any other manufacturer being classified as 'other'. If you have the money buy an iPhone is the mentality and advice the stall owners give. Today though was different. I was waiting for a iPad (not for me, for my mother-in-law) and the sales assistant pointed clearly at the Xperia S and said it is the best phone out at the minute and that he (and others) are recommending it ahead of the iPhone. With China being such a huge market we might see Sony's fortunes change if this kind of trend continues for the rest of the year.
The Xperia S is already very cheap here in Sweden at least. Arc had a much higher price. The S is priced as a high mid-end here. One X costs 200euro more for example
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2012-04-19 12:44 ]
Posted by nikos_se
Well,we all have to agree that so far the leaked roadmap has gotten the prices and releases right.Xperia U,xperia P and xperia Sola are about to get released at the prices they were suggested on the leaked roadmap.That means that next month we could see annoucements of olive,hayabusa,tapioca,tapioca DS and Lotus. Atlas,AFFM and Mint could be announced at IFA 2012.
Posted by drec
Wasn't there a rumour about Sony making the next Nexus device? Also with, again, rumours about android jelly bean appearing in Q3 2012, Hayabusa Nexus perhaps?
Or just wishful thinking...
Posted by randomuser
^
IIRC That wasn't a rumor but someone just wrote an article about the possibility of Sony making the next Nexus device.
On topic, rumors also mentioned two 3.5" FWVGA screen devices. Possibly the Tapioca and Tapioca_DS
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2012-04-19 13:31 ]
Posted by aamwng
On 2012-04-19 13:38:50, Ricky D wrote:
That month delay could have been down to the last minute call to rebrand it Sony instead of Sony Ericsson? Hayabusa wouldn't have such an issue if, as suggested, it is the 'first' Sony device.
LT29i will most likely be delayed because of the production halt last month, hopefully it won't effect it that much... I long for the day when Sony Ericsson/ Sony is back in the competitive scene.
http://www.slashgear.com/28nm-production-halt-could-delay-snapdragon-s4-products-09217680/
Posted by randomuser
On 2012-04-19 15:16:25, aamwng wrote:
On 2012-04-19 13:38:50, Ricky D wrote:
That month delay could have been down to the last minute call to rebrand it Sony instead of Sony Ericsson? Hayabusa wouldn't have such an issue if, as suggested, it is the 'first' Sony device.
LT29i will most likely be delayed because of the production halt last month, hopefully it won't effect it that much... I long for the day when Sony Ericsson/ Sony is back in the competitive scene.
http://www.slashgear.com/28nm-production-halt-could-delay-snapdragon-s4-products-09217680/
That's more than a month old article
And as we saw with the HTC One S and One XL, there was very minimal impact on even devices shipping this month. So the impact on Hayabusa will be absolutely none.
Posted by aamwng
On 2012-04-19 15:57:22, randomuser wrote:
On 2012-04-19 15:16:25, aamwng wrote:
On 2012-04-19 13:38:50, Ricky D wrote:
That month delay could have been down to the last minute call to rebrand it Sony instead of Sony Ericsson? Hayabusa wouldn't have such an issue if, as suggested, it is the 'first' Sony device.
LT29i will most likely be delayed because of the production halt last month, hopefully it won't effect it that much... I long for the day when Sony Ericsson/ Sony is back in the competitive scene.
http://www.slashgear.com/28nm-production-halt-could-delay-snapdragon-s4-products-09217680/
That's more than a month old article
And as we saw with the HTC One S and One XL, there was very minimal impact on even devices shipping this month. So the impact on Hayabusa will be absolutely none.
"The TSMC foundry just can't build enough machines on time to satisfy demand, so the supply constraints will affect the sales for this and the next quarter, he said, which sent shares down 3.5% in afterhours trading yesterday."
This is an hour ago from phonearena...
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Qualcomm-has-a-stellar-quarter-warns-of-Snapdragon-S4-supply-constraints-until-September_id29272
Posted by randomuser
Well it should limit stocks at worst, won't delay it though considering HTC One S and One XL were/are not delayed at all.
Posted by randomuser
New pic taken by Hayabusa leaked again on Picassa. This time taken very close to the Global Sony headquarters in Shinagawa, Tokyo.
The original picture has now been taken down but apparently the original image was 12 megapixels. So maybe the same sensor as in the Xperia S
EDIT: One more, this one from Sweden
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2012-04-20 07:11 ]
Posted by rss_ndrsn
If Hayabusha's camera would be 12 megapixel, that's totally fine! I mean, it is good enough for this year's high-end model. But I must say, any sensor higher than 12 megapixel would not bad. If Sony went for a higher resolution camera like the 13.1 mpx with HDR support on both photos and video, that really would surprise many critics and would mean that Sony really want to achieve hardware supremacy among competition!
I'm a man of many wishes you know so I hope to see a better camera flash in Hayabusha. I wanna see that "Plasma Flash" that comes with the S003 (I think). It may not match Xenon Flash but it us way better than what Xperia S has. Also, I want Hayabusha to have a 3300 mAh battery like the Moto Razr Maxx. I guess no Hayabusha owner would ever say that their phones' battery drain so fast. sigh...May my wishes come true.
Posted by motvikt
On 2012-04-20 08:07:53, randomuser wrote:
EDIT: One more, this one from Sweden
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2012-04-20 07:11 ]
Yep that's definitely Sweden. The government has put those signs everywhere to prepare us for the zombie apocalypse
Posted by randomuser
Sony XPERIA ST27i UPnP certified. Some strange specs
Android 4.0.3
1 ghz ST-Ericsson U8500
3.2 inch 320x480 screen
5 megapixel camera
Active 2?
Posted by rss_ndrsn
Everyone seems to be talking about the Galaxy S III. With Sony, all we get is just this?
Posted by motvikt
On 2012-04-21 07:42:07, randomuser wrote:
Sony XPERIA ST27i UPnP certified. Some strange specs
Android 4.0.3
1 ghz ST-Ericsson U8500
3.2 inch 320x480 screen
5 megapixel camera
Active 2?
Awesome to see 8500 being used in lowends. Btw, maybe this is the new mini(s), Tapioca. If we go by the leaked price-list this seems to be the case
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2012-04-21 09:03 ]
Posted by randomuser
Could be the new Mini yes but I said it could be Active cuz Active was ST17i so ST27i seems like the Active successor ?
Though more likely its the new Mini or Tapioca as I think I read somewhere there won't be any active successor.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2012-04-21 09:09 ]
Posted by aamwng
On 2012-04-21 08:49:10, rss_ndrsn wrote:
Everyone seems to be talking about the Galaxy S III. With Sony, all we get is just this?
Most people are disappointed with the gs3 rumours, Sony should step in and leak Lt29i specs to hype it up! Anyone?
Posted by djin
@randomuser,
according to xperiablog, it may have a 3.5" 800*480 screen
Posted by Felimenta97
I noticed that, if I want to keep following the tech developement, I need to get a job really quick and go to the US. I won't be nothing here is Brazil...
Hayabusa and Mint seems to be the best devices already rumored... But I need to start earning money really soon, if I want to follow everything...
Posted by randomuser
On 2012-04-21 20:28:35, djin wrote:
@randomuser,
according to xperiablog, it may have a 3.5" 800*480 screen
That's just speculation from their side. Not a rumor
On Topic, Unknown13x confirmed on XDA that both Hayabusa and Mint will use the Snapdragon MSM8960. No PRO though.
And hayabusa will have a microSD card slot, as the latest rumors suggested.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2012-04-22 05:27 ]
Posted by Xajel
MSM8960 ( non-pro ) is still powerfull, the Pro version comes with newer and faster GPU only.. nothing more IIRC...
the GPU in MSM8960 (nonPro) is already neck to neck against Tegra3, which is supposed to be the top GPU between Android Devices.. ( Apple A5x in iPad3 has the strongest GPU in the mobile SoC, but you know, it's Apple and it's iOS )... and the CPU performance of MSM8960 is stronger than Tegra3 CPU, NVIDIA already planning a Tegra3+ version later ( same as Tegra3 but built using 28nm ) with higher clocks allows matching performance with the Dual Core MSM8960 even thought they are targeting DualCore A15 in general... not just MSM8960...
the MSM8960 is very nice also, and even when not talking about performance, it does has plenty of features just to note that it does include Bluetooth while previews SoC doesn't (SE had to use separate chip to provide BT ), and it has BT 4.0 +HS +LE.. better than only Bluetooth 3.0 SE used to have in older devices...
I liked the idea of having microSD in Hayabusa, but didn't liked it in Mint, thought after having Xperia S for my Wife, I think I can live with that when I have 32GB+
... I just hope both will come with replaceable battery if Sony won't benefit from it like what they did with Xperia S.. I think what happened with Xperia S was a lazy job for engineers ( not againest Sony's engineers but having not replaceable battery should come with higher capacity also or some nice located microUSB port to allow some third part cavers with batteries to help increase the battery life... and XS didn't come with either !! )
But is there's something regarding the LTE in Mint ? MSM8960 supports LTE, and with both Hayabusa and Mint use this SoC I wonder if the rumors are true which says that Mint is LTE version of Hayabusa...
The only thing I hate is Mint will comes in September while Hayabusa will come in June/July... and After Satio and Arc experience I want this time to have a high-end from later time in the year as SE seems to favor later phones over early ones with their updates and support... ( Satio vs. Vivaz / arc vs. arc s )
Posted by smclion102
On 2012-04-21 11:35:57, aamwng wrote:
On 2012-04-21 08:49:10, rss_ndrsn wrote:
Everyone seems to be talking about the Galaxy S III. With Sony, all we get is just this?
Most people are disappointed with the gs3 rumours, Sony should step in and leak Lt29i specs to hype it up! Anyone?
Samsung S III so Boring
Posted by smclion102
so we can expect 2+ handsets in May
Posted by rss_ndrsn
^You're right but SIII gets hyped very much. In contrast to Sony despite Xperia S being a good all-around device, is not getting that much attention as well as the future high-end devices from them. I guess Sony should try to make people know about their devices, hype the upcoming high-end phones in a good way.
Posted by adsada
The problem they have is that they cannot really hype up future phones without damaging sales of their current flagship (Xperia S). Samsung don't have this issue because their current flagship (S2) is already known to being outdated.
Posted by Xajel
This is the problem of being late
Xperia S spec. are almost like SG2, while there's a huge time gap between them, this what makes releasing a really next gen phone now for Sony is very hard as it will hurt the sales of Xperia S, while for Samsung it really makes sense...
Galaxy S2 was announced in Feb. but released in April while worldwide availability was in June...
Samsung has changed there strategy, I think they're depending now on a immediate availability of the announced product, so they will announce it and will also announce the immediate availability of the phone.. most likely they have started production long time ago and they have plenty of devices just waiting to be shipped after the announcement...
This strategy is much better, as it does not give the completion any time to start rolling competitive response...
The thing is Sony will have Hayabusa to compete against S3 at the launch ( if Sony has a short time to launch time for it )... and only if Hayabusa was really comparable against S3 in spec. and price sides...
If not, Sony will only have Mint which will come 3 months later ( September ) and AFAWK it will be just a bumped up version of Hayabusa...
Posted by randomuser
Hayabusa will beat the GS3 easily. Why ? The s4 krait CPU is already proven to be better and faster than A9 quad Core that the GS3 will have. Add to that Sony's excellent software optimization and you will have the best performing S4 krait handset in the market. Add to that an excellent screen, camera and much better looks AND a lower price - Sony definitely will have a winner.
Also Mint isn't a bumped up Hayabusa but its a different category of a handset. 5 inch SEXY Sony brick with 1080p screen
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2012-04-22 15:44 ]
Posted by rog
Agree on the first part of your post.
Disagree on the last 2 sentences though
Posted by randomuser
On 2012-04-22 16:47:14, rog wrote:
Agree on the first part of your post.
Disagree on the last 2 sentences though
Ahh
So Mint is not a 5 inch device ?
Also Hayabusa has 13 mp camera ? Just a yes or no will do
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2012-04-22 16:08 ]
Posted by pmugghc
On 2012-04-22 16:42:54, randomuser wrote:
Hayabusa will beat the GS3 easily. Why ? The s4 krait CPU is already proven to be better and faster than A9 quad Core that the GS3 will have.
Interesting, so how do you know which SoC the SGS3 will have ? If it's going to be the Exonys 4412 then don't be so foolish so you just assume it will perform the same as a Tegra 3. If you have any benchmarks I'd love to see them, but as far as I know we haven't seen any 4412 benchmarks yet. The Exonys 4210 was clearly better than the Tegra 2, although both are dual core A9s. Perhaps Samsung will surprise us and put in the Exonys 5520 SoC in the SGS3 (or whatever the name will be), with a Mali T604 GPU.
Posted by smclion102
On 2012-04-22 16:47:14, rog wrote:
Agree on the first part of your post.
Disagree on the last 2 sentences though
Bring it on Rog
any info on Hayabusa announcement ??
PLEASE
Posted by goldenface
I'm still trying to find out if a Play 2 (odin)will be out this year or not so I have some idea what phone to hold out for.
Posted by Ricky D
On 2012-04-22 16:47:14, rog wrote:
Agree on the first part of your post.
Disagree on the last 2 sentences though
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this translates as: Mint is just a slightly bumped hayabusa and won't have 1080p.
Posted by aamwng
Mint is 4.55 inches 720p screen and with LTE
Hayabusa is 4.3 inches 720p screen and without LTE
It's like nozomi (lt26i) and Aoba (lt28at) I think...
[ This Message was edited by: aamwng on 2012-04-22 18:20 ]
Posted by smclion102
Will we see HAYABUSA or MINT in the Next Bond Movie "SKYFALL" ???
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2012-04-22 20:11 ]
Posted by motvikt
On 2012-04-22 18:46:07, goldenface wrote:
I'm still trying to find out if a Play 2 (odin)will be out this year or not so I have some idea what phone to hold out for.
Hope it comes this year. Play really needs an update. Btw, how do you know the codename?
Posted by Ricky D
We ought t see something of recent Sony handsets in the new Bond as it is a Sony Pictures movie but I suspect that with their filming schedule it would likely be Xperia S, P and U we'll see. I just doubt that they had a Hayabusa proto is a final/decided design before the filming started last year.
Posted by randomuser
On 2012-04-22 19:19:13, aamwng wrote:
Mint is 4.55 inches 720p screen and with LTE
Hayabusa is 4.3 inches 720p screen and without LTE
It's like nozomi (lt26i) and Aoba (lt28at) I think...
[ This Message was edited by: aamwng on 2012-04-22 18:20 ]
Where did you get that from ? Most likely that info is correct. But still I wish Hayabusa had a larger screen to compete with One X and GS3
Rumored Hayabusa specs (Would be great if Rog could confirm/deny these specs, especially about AMOLED screen)
4.3 inch 720 x 1196 AMOLED screen
1 GB RAM
1.5 ghz MSM 8960 + Adreno 225
Android 4.0.3
13 megapixel Auto Focus Camera with 1080p video
32 GB ROM + MicroSd expansion
eDream7 Interface
NFC
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2012-04-23 05:53 ]
Posted by ^^HAMID^^
4.3 inch 720 x 1196 AMOLED screen
1 GB RAM
1.5 ghz MSM 8960 + Adreno 225
Android 4.0.3
13 megapixel Auto Focus Camera with 1080p video
32 GB ROM + MicroSd expansion
eDream7 Interface
NFC
1 GB RAM
1.5 ghz MSM 8960 + Adreno 225
Android 4.0.3
13 megapixel Auto Focus Camera with 1080p video
32 GB ROM + MicroSd expansion
eDream7 Interface
NFC
HTC ONE XL already has the main specs and is going to be released in current month
Hayabusa needs to has a key feature (not a high mpxl camera) above HTC ONE XL
[ This Message was edited by: ^^HAMID^^ on 2012-04-23 07:51 ]
Posted by marcink
Single channel memory is Tegra's 3 bottleneck. That's why MSM-8960 is so much better. Exynos benchmark results/performance will be much higher than Tegra's.
Posted by randomuser
^
Nobody here is denying that the Samsung Exynos will benchmark better than the Tegra 3. But how much better will it be ? In many applications Krait S4 is significantly faster than Tegra 3. Now this, when I am using the HTC One S as reference. The Sony hayabusa will definitely be much better in performance than the One S as we have seen in case of S3 XS/Htc Sensation XE.
So even if Samsung Exynos Quad Core is significantly better, its not very likely to beat the hayabusa. And plus the battery life on the exynos is gonna be much worse no doubt.
Posted by aamwng
Remember, the One S uses a qHD screen, and hayabusa is going to have a 720p. I know it might not differ much, but that factor might be the reason why One S edges One X out on some benchmark scores.
[ This Message was edited by: aamwng on 2012-04-23 10:25 ]
Posted by Karun
So as far as current information goes, the Hayabusa will be powered by the Krait S4 processor. What about Mint? Since Sony won't be outing a quad core this year, is it worth our time speculating whether the Mint will sport the S4 Pro, essentially the same processor but with the Adreno 320 GPU?
http://www.anandtech.com/show[....]n-s4-pro-krait-with-adreno-320
Posted by randomuser
Karun, both the Hayabusa and Mint will feature the same CPU MSM8960 with Adreno 225 GPU. No s4 PRO phone from Sony.
This was mentioned by unknown13x and also Rog kinda confirmed that yesterday
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2012-04-23 11:33 ]
Posted by motvikt
I still think its unlikely that they will use a 4.3 amoled display. Samsung has had a lot of problems creating amoled with 720p without pentile and their screens are bigger. Samsung should be leading in amoled development considering how much they invest in it. Hopefully it will be a white magic display at least
Posted by pmugghc
Rumors of the SGS3 GPU benchmarks, beats S4 and Tegra 3, and is a match for iPhone 4S.
Phone Arena
[ This Message was edited by: pmugghc on 2012-04-23 12:43 ]
Posted by Xajel
The 2xA15 cores can beat 4xA9 cores.. but in real world the different is larger.. why ?
because not so many apps are designed to benefit from 4 cores... they still need some time to get the quadcore benefit at it's full... sure NVIDIA has TegraZone which holds some titles.. but these are not that much compared to the whole amount of apps you have...
By the time the Quad optimized software are growing you will already have Quad A15 cores and more... as it will take time and personally I see Quad A15 SoC's are more likley to hit tablets mostly..
Posted by randomuser
There really is no point arguing. Who really cares if GS3 is faster by a hair ? The difference between Htc One X, GS3, Xperia Hayabusa and other flagship handsets in benchmarks is gonna be minimal. No phone will be more than 10% slower/faster overall.
But in terms of real world performance we can be sure that the Hayabusa will trump all other flagship handsets as we have seen how good Sony engineers are at optimizing software.
I really don't care if Samsung is gonna beat krait performance or not, all I know is the Hayabusa is gonna be way better looking than samsung crap GS3, is gonna have a much nicer screen, will have a pleasing UI, much better user experience, and a better camera.
Posted by djin
With the current gpu benchmark, gs3 scored 40% higher than one s, beats iphone4s and one x by a very good margin. Moreover, Sony seems to have delayed xperia p and u, It just looks like they well be too late and outdated this year too! If sony gets the s4 with Adreno 320, then thats a diffrent story, otherwise in terms of gpu, its a lost battle.
Posted by Karun
Thanks Randomuser.
I guess I missed Rog's post. So do we have anything concrete about the hayabusa/mint?
Posted by Bonovox
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_[....]yed_until_may_28-news-4139.php
Xperia P & U both delayed
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2012-04-23 20:14 ]