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Posted by Toney_Ericsson

On 2011-02-27 12:24:18, Mizzle wrote:

On 2011-02-27 12:15:34, rikken wrote:

On 2011-02-27 09:09:00, Bonovox wrote:
And so are most Android devices i have used from SE to HTC.



My Desire HD has NO lagging at all Fastest phone I have ever had

Sorry, had to say it even this is the Arc tread


Gotta say that the Arc I've tried is faster than my DHD.



SE UI overlay, highly doubt its faster
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2011-02-28 08:24 ]



Posted by vegetaleb
Is SE suicide fan?
I can't understand why they don't want to make things easy for XDA devs and let them build custom roms.
I was an SE fanboy since the T68 and I was willing to come back with the Arc after a full year of Nexus One but their stup*dity to lock everything is not helping.
They clearly didn't understand the meaning of Android, Samsung did and that's why they are beating the hell out of SE

Posted by Mizzle

On 2011-02-28 09:18:41, Toney_Ericsson wrote:

On 2011-02-27 12:24:18, Mizzle wrote:

On 2011-02-27 12:15:34, rikken wrote:

On 2011-02-27 09:09:00, Bonovox wrote:
And so are most Android devices i have used from SE to HTC.



My Desire HD has NO lagging at all Fastest phone I have ever had

Sorry, had to say it even this is the Arc tread


Gotta say that the Arc I've tried is faster than my DHD.



SE UI overlay, highly doubt its faster
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2011-02-28 08:24 ]



Well, stop your doubting - it is faster. The CPU is faster and the OS is faster. Something as simple as adding an application shortcut is much, much faster on the Arc. Whereas you have to wait for the list of apps to load on the DHD, the Arc is just instantly showing the list. Lots of these small changes.

Posted by Arne Anka

On 2011-02-28 09:32:56, vegetaleb wrote:
I can't understand why they don't want to make things easy for XDA devs and let them build custom roms.


From SE blog


Q: Why do you lock the boot loader of your devices? Isn’t Android supposed to be open source?

A: Yes, Android is an open source platform. Anyone can download it, modify it to their liking and install it on hardware they have designed. A mobile device is much more than the operating system. In our phones there are functionality that have to be secure such as SIM-lock and DRM. We currently don’t have a solution in place to secure that while opening the bootloader and therefore it would break legal agreements with many of our partners if we do.”



On 2011-02-28 09:32:56, vegetaleb wrote:
They clearly didn't understand the meaning of Android, Samsung did and that's why they are beating the hell out of SE


As you can see in the quote above, I think they clearly understand the meaning. The problem is things like the bootloader, which is not part of the Android.

Not sure Samsung actually actively supports jail breaking their devices. I would suspect it is more of an coincidence (loop holes in the code) than something deliberately done by Samsung to make jail breaking "easy" (everything XDA does is still reversed engineered to my best knowledge).
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2011-02-28 09:32 ]


Posted by vegetaleb
It's not only Samsung but HTC,Motorola,Acer...
As Paul Obrien who tried to root the X10 as he did with plenty other devices,he said SE made everything possible to make it 100% locked while other makers let some holes...

Posted by Arne Anka

On 2011-02-28 12:03:29, vegetaleb wrote:
It's not only Samsung but HTC,Motorola,Acer...


It doesn't matter. There is no proof other vendors actively supports XDA in anyway. It only proofs other vendors may have potential security issues with their devices since that's what usually is exploited when jail braking phones (same as with IPhone). Such exploits are not guaranteed to work in next update.

Don't mix up active support with potential security holes exploited by XDA. It has nothing to do with Samsung or HTC supporting them. Security holes is not a good thing, its a bad thing. What XDA can exploit can also be exploited by others with less good intentions. That's how viruses and trojans for instance are spread.
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2011-02-28 12:51 ]


Posted by SKIBBE
@mange69 about the front facing camera, i read that they did want to compensate the uniqe slim design that would not be managed with a front facing camera taking to much space. and front facing camera is what 3g was/is video conversation it NEVER did catch on, (except for deaf people, then it's the best invention ever)

Posted by Toney_Ericsson

On 2011-02-28 10:02:29, Mizzle wrote:

On 2011-02-28 09:18:41, Toney_Ericsson wrote:

On 2011-02-27 12:24:18, Mizzle wrote:

On 2011-02-27 12:15:34, rikken wrote:

On 2011-02-27 09:09:00, Bonovox wrote:
And so are most Android devices i have used from SE to HTC.



My Desire HD has NO lagging at all Fastest phone I have ever had

Sorry, had to say it even this is the Arc tread


Gotta say that the Arc I've tried is faster than my DHD.



SE UI overlay, highly doubt its faster
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2011-02-28 08:24 ]



Well, stop your doubting - it is faster. The CPU is faster and the OS is faster. Something as simple as adding an application shortcut is much, much faster on the Arc. Whereas you have to wait for the list of apps to load on the DHD, the Arc is just instantly showing the list. Lots of these small changes.



The Arc uses the same Snapdragon as what's in the DHD but the Arc has less RAM than the DHD. How exactly is it therefore going to be faster when it actually isnt?

I have seen many of these Arc videos and the SE overlay over Android still looks the same bag of shit that's on the X10 which is slow as hell compared to the DHD.




Posted by Xajel

On 2011-02-28 13:54:59, Toney_Ericsson wrote:

The Arc uses the same Snapdragon as what's in the DHD but the Arc has less RAM than the DHD. How exactly is it therefore going to be faster when it actually isnt?

I have seen many of these Arc videos and the SE overlay over Android still looks the same bag of shit that's on the X10 which is slow as hell compared to the DHD.


Well Mizzle actually used arc. and I think used other phones too ( how he can compare phones he didn't use !! ) and it's faster.. how is it faster with lower RAM is normally if you take four points into account...
1- from hardware perspective, Arc may use faster and lower latency RAM this will give it more performance even with lower RAM amount...
2- from software perspective, we can have more optimization for the hardware being used...
3- again from software perspective, Arc may use less RAM than X10 duo to it's redesigned software which doesn't take it too deep into Android. so it doesn't need that much RAM...
4- Having more RAM doesn't means more performance or sleeker performance, more RAM will affect only if the software is huge or have bad code ( memory leak ) that make it use more RAM than actually needed.. if softwares are well designed and coded and not too much heavy, then they won't need more RAM, and adding more RAM will just mean money wasting...

Posted by se_dude
As a wise man once said. Unused RAM is wasted Ram.

Posted by djin

On 2011-02-28 10:02:29, Mizzle wrote:

On 2011-02-28 09:18:41, Toney_Ericsson wrote:

On 2011-02-27 12:24:18, Mizzle wrote:

On 2011-02-27 12:15:34, rikken wrote:

On 2011-02-27 09:09:00, Bonovox wrote:
And so are most Android devices i have used from SE to HTC.



My Desire HD has NO lagging at all Fastest phone I have ever had

Sorry, had to say it even this is the Arc tread


Gotta say that the Arc I've tried is faster than my DHD.



SE UI overlay, highly doubt its faster
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2011-02-28 08:24 ]



Well, stop your doubting - it is faster. The CPU is faster and the OS is faster. Something as simple as adding an application shortcut is much, much faster on the Arc. Whereas you have to wait for the list of apps to load on the DHD, the Arc is just instantly showing the list. Lots of these small changes.



No doubt arc is faster, but the cpu of both desire hd and arc is same. The only difference is arc is using ginger bread, and desire hd is using froyo. Once it gets updated to ginger bread, then we can actually compare.

And smoother operations doesnt mean better cpu, x10 lagged alot on 1.6 and worked much better on 2.1.. doesnt mean the hardware was upgraded!

Anyways i like arc, and might go for it(or xperia play), but i doubt how they will support it, because the support of x10 was very dissapointing..

Posted by rog
You can get some impressions on the speed of the final version of arc here:

http://www.se-first.com/Xperia-arc-hands-on-video.html
[ This Message was edited by: rog on 2011-02-28 21:22 ]


Posted by motvikt

On 2011-02-28 22:21:57, rog wrote:
You can get some impressions on the speed of the final version of arc here:

http://www.se-first.com/Xperia-arc-hands-on-video.html
[ This Message was edited by: rog on 2011-02-28 21:22 ]



Nice video! Does it have themes like the pro in this firmware?

Posted by Toney_Ericsson

On 2011-02-28 22:21:57, rog wrote:
You can get some impressions on the speed of the final version of arc here:

http://www.se-first.com/Xperia-arc-hands-on-video.html
[ This Message was edited by: rog on 2011-02-28 21:22 ]



The Arc isn't faster than the DHD in that video either, the Arc certainly won't be faster than the DHD on boot up as the Arc doesn't have any Fastboot features as the DHD does.

The DHD can already be made even quicker than it is through modding with different ROMS/radios for even better performance as shown on xda so don't have to wait for a Gingerbread update but Gingerbread and Gingerbread on 2 devices would be a true comparison.

Something else I didn't like about the X10 compared to the DHD was the X10 feels so cheap in your hand compared to the solidly built aluminium DHD, the X10's screen is cheap plastic crap as well. I think the Arc would be much better if they actually used quality materials rather than plastic which is just tacky.

Posted by fjcarlsson


Something else I didn't like about the X10 compared to the DHD was the X10 feels so cheap in your hand compared to the solidly built aluminium DHD, the X10's screen is cheap plastic crap as well. I think the Arc would be much better if they actually used quality materials rather than plastic which is just tacky.



I think I will prefer the plastic casing as it shaves off about 20g off the phone. I think the X10 is a little bit on the heavy side so the lighter casing should do the trick.

Posted by goldenface
The amount of people I've seen using iPhones with cracked screens is slightly alarming and there are plenty of searches for cracked desire HD screens on google already.

The screen on the X10 I have has not one mark on it after I removed the screen protector months ago, so I guess each type has its advantages and disadvantages.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2011-02-28 23:38 ]


Posted by unknown_x

On 2011-02-28 10:02:29, Mizzle wrote

Well, stop your doubting - it is faster. The CPU is faster and the OS is faster. Something as simple as adding an application shortcut is much, much faster on the Arc. Whereas you have to wait for the list of apps to load on the DHD, the Arc is just instantly showing the list. Lots of these small changes.


That's not true, they both have the same chipset, Qualcomm MSM8255 1 GHz Snapdragon with Adreno 205, the only difference between both is that the ARC has 320MB of internal memory and 512MB RAM instead of 1.5 GB and 768 MB RAM of the Desire HD.


On 2011-03-01 00:28:43, goldenface wrote:
The amount of people I've seen using iPhones with cracked screens is slightly alarming and there are plenty of searches for cracked desire HD screens on google already.

The screen on the X10 I have has not one mark on it after I removed the screen protector months ago, so I guess each type has its advantages and disadvantages.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2011-02-28 23:38 ]



True, i think heavier and stronger unibody cases make phones harder to break their case but it seems the force going through the phone goes directly to the screen, being easily cracked even with gorilla glass.

With plastic cases i've seen the backcover jumping out but nothing more.

Posted by goldenface
I think I'd like to have a mineral glass screen but the fragility of it would definitely be more of a worry. This guy got a quote of $335 just for the desire screen.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1459349
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2011-03-01 00:23 ]


Posted by Toney_Ericsson
Defo be worth getting something like this for the Arc (new SE hard shell case for Arc)

http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/so[....]or-xperia-arc-black-p28006.htm

Posted by HYPER-X10

On 2011-02-28 22:21:57, rog wrote:
You can get some impressions on the speed of the final version of arc here:

http://www.se-first.com/Xperia-arc-hands-on-video.html
[ This Message was edited by: rog on 2011-02-28 21:22 ]



Thanks for the awesome vid Rog.

I'd like to see more of the new timescape widget and timescape spline app in use if you have the time to make another vid.



Posted by goldenface

On 2011-03-01 01:37:23, Toney_Ericsson wrote:
Defo be worth getting something like this for the Arc (new SE hard shell case for Arc)

http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/so[....]or-xperia-arc-black-p28006.htm



I'm scared of snapping it half like a twig without something like that to protect it. May be a metal frame on phones this thin isn't such a bad idea.

Posted by MyP910
I thought people say that SE is not good at software. But why nobody can unlock the X10 ? It seems they are good in software coding and able to lock all the loop holes.


On 2011-02-28 22:21:57, rog wrote:
You can get some impressions on the speed of the final version of arc here:

http://www.se-first.com/Xperia-arc-hands-on-video.html
[ This Message was edited by: rog on 2011-02-28 21:22 ]



Nice video and the arc is very fast. Good to see no lagging in the video. Perhaps with fully loaded apps, the response will be different.

Posted by se_dude
@rog- Isnt the Arc out i the last week of march? Too early for a retail version?

Posted by Toney_Ericsson
Wouldn't mind seeing this in the Arc's successor

Sony's new 17.7 mega pixel camera sensor, designed specifically for mobile phones and it can shoot full resolution 120fps video.

Put that in a nice Aluminium uni body phone, label it up 17.7mp camera phone with full 1080p video recording, a nice dual core processor to give it some real performance for all that processing and then we're talking.

http://mobilementalism.com/20[....]pixel-phone-with-120fps-video/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/[....]el-cmos-sensor-for-cellphones/
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2011-03-01 07:51 ]


Posted by xenia
From SE-blog
Q: I’ve seen YouTube videos where your new phones seem to suffer in performance and some sample pictures that don’t seem to have the quality they should, are those final?

A: No – in preparing for the launch of our phones we have frequent releases of new internal test software and there are also different hardware revisions on the way up until launch. Lots of optimization is done late in the process and the release version will be optimized in many aspects.
So it doesn`t looks like the final version IMO.

Posted by Tejstar
Looks like the arc may come with a 1GB ROM. Source: Xperia Blog.


Posted by dibdin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vni0QuCng38

Posted by cableguy
o2 ireland have confirmed that the arc will come with only an 8gb and hdmi cable. I will be putting my 16gb card from my satio into the arc when i get it

Posted by unknown_x
If this works 100%...:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975399

Then i think the ARC will have a hard time

Posted by SKIBBE

On 2011-03-01 18:09:26, unknown_x wrote:
If this works 100%...:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975399

Then i think the ARC will have a hard time


the x10 still dont have hdmi/MT/better specs for gaming

Posted by unknown_x

On 2011-03-01 18:39:57, SKIBBE wrote:

On 2011-03-01 18:09:26, unknown_x wrote:
If this works 100%...:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975399

Then i think the ARC will have a hard time


the x10 still dont have hdmi/MT/better specs for gaming


In my opinion, just a little hardware upgrade doesn't deserves 450€-500€ if you come from the x10, if you don't have an android or you have an old one then i can understand it, but the difference between the ARC and the x10 is not that huge, or at least i think so. If Trip manages to cook that ROM, our x10s will recieve a perfomance boost and will have the same skin with the same apps, so it would be like having an official update

If you want to play games i would go for any Tegra 2 or Exynos powered devices instead of adreno 205 ones
[ This Message was edited by: unknown_x on 2011-03-01 19:15 ]


Posted by SKIBBE
i am running 2.2 on my x10i they are not final, and i guess the 2.3 rom will never be ether. so why use a almost good 2.3 rom when you can run the full 2.3. yeah for a huge price. but non the less.

Posted by Wishmaster89
20 min preview of pre-production model of Arc, don't know how about you but for me it is quite smooth and lag free.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLg6UH7VOe4

Posted by dibdin

On 2011-03-02 12:18:36, Wishmaster89 wrote:
20 min preview of pre-production model of Arc, don't know how about you but for me it is quite smooth and lag free.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLg6UH7VOe4


Thanks for the link Wishmaster. Good video Demo of the Arc indeed! Couldn't see any lag there at all throughout. Looking forward to Matt and Tracey's review of this phone.

Posted by Wishmaster89
Another videos showing probably final(or near final) software version of Arc for japanese market.
I combined them into one playlist. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FFE32B2258CABAEC

Posted by dibdin
Am I right in saying the Arc's screen WON'T suffer from screen burn??

Posted by Xajel

On 2011-03-03 10:00:43, dibdin wrote:
Am I right in saying the Arc's screen WON'T suffer from screen burn??


AFAIK, yep, Screen burns is a ( feature ) for AMOLED type screens
the feature that tells you that your device is old now and you HAVE to replace it

Posted by titus1
I'm already using the ARC Launcher on my Desire...

Posted by dibdin

On 2011-03-03 10:16:27, Xajel wrote:

On 2011-03-03 10:00:43, dibdin wrote:
Am I right in saying the Arc's screen WON'T suffer from screen burn??


AFAIK, yep, Screen burns is a ( feature ) for AMOLED type screens
the feature that tells you that your device is old now and you HAVE to replace it



Yes I know...I have a HTC Desire with an AMOLED screen and it has very noticeable screen burn.

Posted by razec
AMOLEDs are like Plasma in terms of screen wear-out anyway. they also die faster than CCFL backlit LCDs

Posted by HxH
Japanese SO-01C Promo, look outstanding & gorgeous. should make this ad available worldwide!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzeQWSR8tmw&hd=1

Posted by Xajel

On 2011-03-03 11:43:25, razec wrote:
AMOLEDs are like Plasma in terms of screen wear-out anyway. they also die faster than CCFL backlit LCDs



and this is one of the reasons I like LED back-lighted LCD, specially when the panel is IPS

Posted by northmonkey
How comes this site has them in stock? http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=13254

Posted by Bonovox
Erm do not use Simply Electronics very unreliable bad company i will never use them again. Also i have never had screen burn on an LED OLED or AMOLED screen ever. Only phone i had which had screen burn was the LG Arena it was terrible.

Posted by smclion102
Sony Ericsson XPERIA Arc demo video [Matt and Tracey's review]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLg6UH7VOe4
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2011-03-03 20:43 ]


Posted by esoqq
Yes, avoid Simply Electronics.

Clove Technology are reputable, and although they don't have stock yet of course, their pre-order price is the best I've seen in the UK so far at £420 inc VAT.
http://www.clove.co.uk/sony-ericsson-xperia-arc

Posted by Bonovox
Simply Electronics I waited over a month for a refund from them Clove are very good.

Posted by back2you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wm0EiApr5E

Posted by Tigon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8qgQ9_NS9E&sns=em

Posted by Xajel
Well I have some info. which is nice and very good...

Xperia Arc may have USB OTG, if not in the final sw release, it may be on later a sw update... and AFAIK will soon updates all of it new Xperia range to 2.4... so I just hope USB OTG will be there too

I don't know any functionality that the USB OTG will get, but it may give you the ability to connect a regular USB keyboard, or use a USB mass storage.. or it might give you both of these... lets hope will give us something early...

I'm imagining to connect the phone to a TV using HDMI and hooking a keyboard to it to do more advanced browsing

of course we will need an Male-microUSB to female-USB adapter to make things work which is not yet announced by
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2011-03-04 09:11 ]



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