Posted by tranced
Remember the X10 had different accessories stuffed depending the region and/carrier.
Posted by Rookwise
As I've done a few times now I've not gone out on release day and bought the phone straight away and im not going to be doing it with the Arc either. Theres not really that much a difference to make me part with my X10's and upgrade to the Arc. HDMI port wouldn't get much use and 2.1 is fine for my needs.
I'll be waiting a few weeks/months and see what other users make of it or even just wait for the Arc's successor.
Posted by tranced
Did ya read this?
Xperia™ arc – Camera Improvements
Posted by Bonovox
What I noticed in that video was how fast the shutter was
Posted by motvikt
On 2011-01-19 16:39:39, mediar wrote:
The build-in music/video player are too sumple. Especially the video player looks very ugly. Can't we install mediascape on our own? Isn't there an apk? They haven't skinned the search widget too.
[ This Message was edited by: mediar on 2011-01-19 15:56 ]
Think there will be some more skinning before launch. Read that somewhere...
Posted by apolloa
Will SE offer over the air updates for the Arc?
Posted by tranced
Why not? I did offer OTA updates for the X10's.
I know they're not to good at this though.
Posted by Ricke77
On 2011-01-19 19:30:52, Bonovox wrote:
What I noticed in that video was how fast the shutter was
Its a bit faster but remember that the preview direct after shooting isn't there anymore.
Posted by Killmaster9
Hmm, this came up on SE's website in sweden:
Release in 3 month for you who don't understand swedish
Posted by solidkevin
On 2011-01-19 16:52:19, goldenface wrote:
Well it looks like the phone will be with us late Q1, and not June as advertised by CPW
Why do you say this? When do you think it will be out?
Posted by Ricke77
It will be out late march or early april.
The 3 month on the swedish site has been there since CES...
Posted by Bonovox
We'll all be bored of it by then
Posted by 10123
It should be released in March as thats when SE launch the campaign for it, costing over £8M. Which is more than the satio/aino campaign, although I didn't know there was an aino campaign.
[ This Message was edited by: 10123 on 2011-01-20 18:41 ]
Posted by solidkevin
I wonder if that will include the US as well, if it comes to the US even later I dunno if I can wait that long, I might have to go with the atrix or inspire.
Posted by Bonovox
I had this email from Davinci today advertising about supporting the Arc. It has given me a voucher cos I have used them alot
Posted by solidkevin
Any Ideas on the US Version?
Posted by Bonovox
This is so far one of the videos that shows off the screen nicely. Does not look much different from x10 display. Also when you plug this device into a tv will it also charge the phone I wonder??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7hliWInuxA
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2011-01-22 20:16 ]
Posted by rickster2kuk
Screen looks pretty vibrant, but I wonder if it's set to max brightness. The X10 screen looks good at 100 per cent brightness but you won't set it like that all the time as the battery would be flat in no time.
Posted by Bonovox
I always leave mine on max brightness and battery life is good. I noticed in the comparison of the screens video that the lower brightness on the Arc looks a bit too low.
Posted by rikken
To me the screen of the x10 is good enough
I see no reason to compare screens all the time and I believe that one important thing that makes a screen readable in daylight is having a light background. I have seen it on my w995, a light theme is much more readable in sunlight than a black one. Imo this is a reason why the screen on the iPhone 4 is so superior. I wish I could change the blue background on my x10 to a white one
Posted by Bonovox
Yes the x10 screen is good enough. It is also excellent outdoors too. I have gone off Super AMOLED displays though cos despite their great contrast and colours they seem to look more pixelated. Does anyone know why that is??
Posted by HYPER-X10
Do a search for PenTile Amoled.
Posted by boy.in.PINK
SAMOLED screens burns out after for some time.
Good move from
for not providing AMOLED. Its Mobile Bravia Engine is par with iPhone 4's IPS LCD or their so-called Retina display.
I still can't get enough of the arc's design and media player. I see Motorola ATRIX and LG Optimus 2X better than this hardware wise but the design and the camera (and maybe UI) will be its best selling points.
[ This Message was edited by: boy.in.PINK on 2011-01-23 04:01 ]
Posted by Toney_Ericsson
LOL the Arc's actual photo and video quality is no different than the X10
Photos taken by the Arc:
http://www.se-first.com/Xperia-arc-sample-photos.html
Video taken by the Arc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-9DZW7UFU&feature=related
Must be the The Exmor R sensor making ALL the difference.
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2011-01-23 06:32 ]
Posted by boy.in.PINK
Yes, it's par with X10's camera but I think arc's camera will be better in low light. And besides, I don't care how crappy arc's camera is. After all, Android is all about superb communication and entertainment experience. Not just the camera that matters. In fact, I like LG Optimus 2X's 1080p video recording feature even if there's nothing special and has poor encoding. I would like to see how the arc performs video recording in low light.
Posted by dibdin
Anyone know if the same pre-installed wallpapers that came with the X10 will be on the Arc, and if not is there way you can??
It's just that there are a couple of wallpapers on the X10 that I really like.
Posted by Toney_Ericsson
Arc low light sample
Thats shit
[ This Message was edited by: Toney_Ericsson on 2011-01-23 07:45 ]
Posted by >500
Yes everyone, the image quality will not change at all before release... Hell,
might not even tweak the firmware and just release it running the current proto version... *sarcasm*
@Toney, be realistic mate! Your going on about it as if its going to stay like that... Try giving (constructive) criticism, and reserving final judgements for when Arc has hit the market!
ps: Exmor doesn't promise absolutely NO noise in low light, its meant to help reduce it...
[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2011-01-23 08:03 ]
Posted by HYPER-X10
On 2011-01-23 08:55:01, >500 wrote:
@Toney, be realistic mate!
Good luck with that...
I can tell you one thing, if SE need to improve their cameras they're not going to learn how from HTC
Posted by Toney_Ericsson
Yeah yeah yeah it's going to have the "______ ENGINE" and Exmor-R sensor so the clueless consumer like you goes and buys it.
The Arc didn't take them photos or videos its all a lie
Posted by Bonovox
Having previously had the Desire HD I can honestly say the camera was awful. It has blurry out of focus shots. I still though prefer my new White X10 over the Arc design wise and also in terms of how too thin and light the Arc is. One thing I have read up on in terms of Exmor sensor is in alot of expert digital camera reviews I have read them stating that Exmor sensor has worsoned the image noise in low light. This is a common problem with back lit sensors. Apparently. @toneyericsson you have not changed your username yet to ToneyHTC
Posted by boy.in.PINK
I'll try to check two videos, one from GSMArena and one from SE-first.
@Toney_Ericsson (or should I say Toney_HTC, thanks Sean!), yeah, that's shit! but hey, maybe the photographer didn't take the picture well. and yes, there's room for improvement. after all, it has not yet released.
Posted by >500
On 2011-01-23 09:17:24, Toney_Ericsson wrote:
Yeah yeah yeah it's going to have the "______ ENGINE" and Exmor-R sensor so the clueless consumer like you goes and buys it.
The Arc didn't take them photos or videos its all a lie
Im far from the 'clueless consumer'... but I wont bother arguing that with you.
Bravia Engine, Exmor-R sensor, Retina display, Carl Zeis lens, bla bla bla... Its called marketing, every company does it, and, like you said, the 'clueless consumer' buys into it all the time. So, why not do it?
My point is, Arc is still a pre-release handset. Sure people are welcome to DISCUSS these things, but not the way your going about it... Like I said, wait til its released before you have that final judgement...
Posted by HYPER-X10
On 2011-01-23 09:45:53, >500 wrote:
Im far from the 'clueless consumer'... but I wont bother arguing that with you.
Good idea. You would be arguing with someone who has developed a hatred for anyone who wants to buy a
phone.
I think he sees it as a personal attack on his decision making ability.
That gives a pretty good insight into his mental state.
Hey Toney, you need to relax a little..... No one's going to buy an Arc just to spite you
Posted by rickster2kuk
Sample Arc photos look similar to the X10, but if you blow them up full size they're definitely sharper, that may be something to do with the noise reduction on the X10. They also appear sharper at the edges, which is where the X10 fall down sometimes (photos can be softer or out of focus towards the far edges).
Colours need sorting thou, maybe tweak the firmware is they're a bit washed out.
Posted by marcink
C'MON, does anybody really believe that SE will manufacture anything close to N8 in photo quality? Not in 2011. Exmor-R means nothing, if you keep reducing sensor size to ridicuosly small levels. Ans Sony does just that. Their 16.4mp has got even smaller cells than 8mp. 16.4mp photos in future cam. flagship will be ok only in good light conditions and for strobe shots with iso up to 200.
Posted by tyko
Sounds like we have a new sealover.... Toney, do you think you are going to be taken seriously when all your post is nothing but brainless complaining. Have you made it your mission to trash SE and people who like them just because you think SE "betrayed" you. One word, childish.
Posted by HYPER-X10
On 2011-01-23 11:40:01, marcink wrote:
C'MON, does anybody really believe that SE will manufacture anything close to N8 in photo quality?
No, why? did someone say that?
I can't wait for the day you can get N8 quality in a phone as thin as the Arc. Nokia really went all out on that one.
At least back illuminated sensors are a step forward though.
Posted by Bonovox
I thought the x10 camera was poor till I realised I had two bad batch phones with the lens out of focus. But sometimes I do notice the edges of photos on x10 are slightly blurry but looking at the photos full on you would hardly notice. I am not making an Arc photo judgment just yet its too early. But anyway who looks at their photos at 100% zoom anyway??
One thing I hope they sort out with the Arc camera is sometimes on x10 their is a strange pinkish tint to photos
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Posted by rickster2kuk
Good post Bonovox, you've hit the nail on the head. Unless you look at the photos at their original size you wouldn't even notice it.
I'm still surprised that SE haven't tweaked the sensor on the C905 and put that into the X10/Arc, that was an awesome camera (better than X10), lovely exposure and sharpness and a big lens. Maybe it was too large to incorporate into the phone.
C905 was the best SE camera phone.
Posted by dibdin
Shame the C905 failed in other areas.
Posted by rog
On 2011-01-23 09:43:21, boy.in.PINK wrote:
@Toney_Ericsson (or should I say Toney_HTC, thanks Sean!), yeah, that's shit! but hey, maybe the photographer didn't take the picture well. and yes, there's room for improvement. after all, it has not yet released.
A couple of words from the photographer: this picture was taken at 7.30am in the beginning of January in Zurich (what I want to say: it was night still!) There was close to zero natural light. Considering this (plus the fact that I took this picture one-handed
) I think arc does not too bad... The pre-release version of arc, as already mentioned before.
Posted by apolloa
On 2011-01-23 11:40:01, marcink wrote:
C'MON, does anybody really believe that SE will manufacture anything close to N8 in photo quality? Not in 2011. Exmor-R means nothing, if you keep reducing sensor size to ridicuosly small levels. Ans Sony does just that. Their 16.4mp has got even smaller cells than 8mp. 16.4mp photos in future cam. flagship will be ok only in good light conditions and for strobe shots with iso up to 200.
But the Arc DOES have a backlit sensor? It's also 8.1 mpx and not 16?? And Canon's new HD range of camera's top out at 10mpx yet they will easily totally destroy the N8 on image quality. What's your point? Mpx mean nothing now.
So the Arc has a backlit sensor with big cells and good processing, my iPhone 4 also has a backlit sensor and it takes crap photos in low light, really really really poor.
As for the video example, well when I can see it in it's raw format on a TV etc then I shall believe it, not when it's of You Tube with it's famous image compression and quality destruction codecs........
[ This Message was edited by: apolloa on 2011-01-23 14:59 ]
Posted by boy.in.PINK
On 2011-01-23 15:55:01, rog wrote:
On 2011-01-23 09:43:21, boy.in.PINK wrote:
@Toney_Ericsson (or should I say Toney_HTC, thanks Sean!), yeah, that's shit! but hey, maybe the photographer didn't take the picture well. and yes, there's room for improvement. after all, it has not yet released.
A couple of words from the photographer: this picture was taken at 7.30am in the beginning of January in Zurich (what I want to say: it was night still!) There was close to zero natural light. Considering this (plus the fact that I took this picture one-handed
) I think arc does not too bad... The pre-release version of arc, as already mentioned before.
Sorry if I had offended you in any way. Anyhow, I'm totally agree on what you stated.
I'm just hoping that the f/2.4 helps the arc for taking at least good night shots.
Posted by rog
On 2011-01-23 16:10:50, boy.in.PINK wrote:
Sorry if I had offended you in any way. Anyhow, I'm totally agree on what you stated.
No worries, I didn't feel offended
Posted by xenia
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[....]16201/in/photostream/lightbox/
ISO 1250!!! without flash. I think it is very good resault. Look at other photos good color, good details.
Posted by rickster2kuk
Those photos are much better colour wise. Arc's sensor is definitely sharper (slightly nosier as well - but that might be tweaked on the final release).
Not too much different from the X10, but I think the edges of on the Arc are more in focus than the X10 so on that basis the Arc's camera based on those photos is marginally better than the X10.
Posted by admad
On 2011-01-23 16:35:32, xenia wrote:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[....]16201/in/photostream/lightbox/
ISO 1250!!! without flash. I think it is very good resault. Look at other photos good color, good details.
Now this is brilliant! Just as expected from a good phone, shutter speed value 1/40! It's what pisses me in X10, it automaticly goes to 100/200 ISO at the cost of shutter speed going at about 1/10, my hand ain't that steady, so all the indoor shots go out wrong... Only sport mode helps, but then it's too much noise/shutter speed.
This picutre is super steady, sharp, and ISO ain't that bad.
Posted by solidkevin
Anyone think this will come to ATT on the US? I really want this phone! OR at least a 3G version?
Posted by rikken
I would be surprised if the Arc`s camera is not noticeably better than the x10`s
But just as important imo is that they have made the camera quicker. I also fancy the new ui and the various flash settings