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Posted by io_bg

On 2011-01-08 14:26:06, argiriano wrote:
Anyone notice the difference in white walls on the screen and the real ones behind? I know the screen backlight make difference on shots like this, but I think the difference here is bigger then normal.

So what do you think is the Arcs Exmor-R just a marketing trick or not?
[ This Message was edited by: argiriano on 2011-01-08 13:26 ]


The automatic settings feature hasn't chosen the proper white balance. What's so wrong with that?
Even cameras sometimes suffer from it.
[ This Message was edited by: io_bg on 2011-01-08 19:15 ]



Posted by Mizzle
@argiriano
It's all about shutter speed (exposure) and dynamic range. It's impossible to capture that kind of scene as a human eye would see it.

Posted by dibdin
Anyone know how the screen on the Arc will fare in direct sunlight??

Posted by rog
Will let you know as soon as we have sun again here

Posted by Xajel
I have a lot here ( not this time, it's 23:30 now, sunrise is 6:27 ), just send me the phone and I'll tell you

Posted by goldenface
Going by the amount of column inches and coverage this phone has received I'd say it almost stole the show at CES. It's nice to see commentators focusing on the overall offering and not just a spec sheet for a change. The design of the phone has gone down really well with almost everyone who has seen it and it looks like a winner up to now.

I prefer the blue version to the silver too.

Posted by hihihans
@ Rog. It must be great to have that phone in your hands and read all the rumours and guesses here.
I wonder how long you already have it? But I think your not allowed to tell.

Posted by rikken
The best thing about this phone,imo, is the new UI SE has developed. I really like the new mediamenu. Wish they would develop this for the x10

Posted by goldenface
I like the Bravia Link feature. When connected to the TV using the HDMI cable you can then watch and control the media on the phone using the TV remote. Clever stuff!

Posted by hihihans
I'm glad they did. Or there had to be 5meter of cable in the box

Posted by Bonovox
Hmmm not everyone can afford a Bravia tv

Posted by rikken
I guess it is better with DLNA

Posted by goldenface

On 2011-01-08 23:01:00, Bonovox wrote:
Hmmm not everyone can afford a Bravia tv



It doesn't need to be a Bravia TV. It works on any with a HDMI connection but of course wireless is always better IMO.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2011-01-08 22:25 ]


Posted by dibdin
I currently have a HTC Desire, and was wandering if the screen on the Arc is considerably better in every way compared to the Desire??


Thanks..

Posted by Bonovox
More than likely yes. I say that cos it's already an improvement over the older x10 which that in itself is a stunning screen & has great viewing in sunlight. I have heard the Desire screen is poor in sunlight. @Goldenface ok thanks well I do have a massive LG full HD TV but Sony ones are way too expensive
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2011-01-08 22:33 ]


Posted by dibdin
I have a HTC Desire, and was wondering how much better the screen on the Arc will be compared to the Desire??


Thanks.

Posted by Bonovox
I just answered that you posted twice

Posted by dibdin
Yes I know, it didn't seem to submit my post but it appears that it did.

I'm quite excited about this phone to be honest, the last Sony Ericsson phone I had was the C905, but the less said about that the better. I have had many Sony Ericsson phones over the years, but my last two phones have been the Nokia N95 and the HTC Desire.

Looking forward to jumping on the Sony Ericsson bandwagon again.

Posted by Supa_Fly
Here is a silly question.

Can I make a voice call using voice recognition - either with supplied wired headphones, BT Headset or directly on device using say 1 of the volume buttons? This was a hallmark of phones started originally by Ericsson and SE before anyone else. Silly question I know, but my Samsung GS Captivate cannot do this with supplied headphones.

Posted by Bonovox
Hope the call volume is improved on this model Sony Ericsson cannot make that mistake again.

Posted by Arne Anka

On 2011-01-09 00:23:47, Prom1 wrote:
Here is a silly question.

Can I make a voice call using voice recognition - either with supplied wired headphones, BT Headset or directly on device using say 1 of the volume buttons? This was a hallmark of phones started originally by Ericsson and SE before anyone else. Silly question I know, but my Samsung GS Captivate cannot do this with supplied headphones.



For devices prior 2.2, use Voice Actions found on Market. For 2.2 and newer use Voice Search. How well they work and whether they work with wired and wireless headsets as well I don't know.

Posted by PE4ce
i'm confused about the RAM on the arc is it 512 or 348??anyone?

Posted by Arne Anka

On 2011-01-09 02:34:15, PE4ce wrote:
i'm confused about the RAM on the arc is it 512 or 348??anyone?


512 MB is the amount of flash (internal storage) e.g. where you store your apps. With Arc
however, apps can be stored on the SD card as well.

380 MB (approxemately) is amount of RAM.
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2011-01-09 01:44 ]


Posted by ron.jeremy

On 2011-01-08 22:16:30, goldenface wrote:
Going by the amount of column inches and coverage this phone has received I'd say it almost stole the show at CES. It's nice to see commentators focusing on the overall offering and not just a spec sheet for a change. The design of the phone has gone down really well with almost everyone who has seen it and it looks like a winner up to now.

I prefer the blue version to the silver too.



That's not really true.
The boot at Sony wasn't crowded, Moto was the winner at CES.
Pretty natural beeing a domestic brand at CES imo.
The arc can be summed up in a few key points:

- Design looks great(dark version)stands out from the huge Android market.
- New SW version of Android.
- Not next generation HW, no really highlights from the X10, more marketing than features
- SE history of f****** things up in a major way.


Posted by Supa_Fly
Arne,

Thanks for the informative and quick reply's much appreciated.

Others ...
Although the Motorola Atrix 4G stole the show - especially with their docking accessories = profits for providers selling them to boost end user experience with real value; their aimed at two different target markets.

* SE has always been and always will be a pure mobile experience.
* Motorola has been a mobile unit but their aiming to the pure business market first & foremost before the end user:
key points are:
- Fingerprint security.
- Mobile Security management of device - this is a business targeted offering (not like Apple's MobileMe btw).

Using both devices will evoke a different experience and for the price estimations (arguable at the present time & different markets across the globe cannot be compared really) - I still feel that SE Arc has something unique here but more mass appeal.

Price, key marketing (not using just youth, or sexy woman, or odd looking feministic men in recent cellphone ads, but also smart well dressed adults as well). Android presents so many options I just had to see the light and jump from BlackBerry for my personal unit.

So far I'm MORE interested in The Arc than the other offerings ... Atrix 4G is a close second (the styling looks old & bland already), and I'm still looking forward to a super Samsung or LG offering.

PS: I'm still a tiny concerned why no new LCD technology used in Arc by SE. It takes MORE power for a traditional LCD to show "white" and the power savings achieved by AMOLED can help in power longevity. Unless this 2nd gen Qualcomm cpu offsets this.

Posted by rickster2kuk
So what makes the Arc's screen better than the x10, is it just the Bravia element. IMO, the x10 screen is very good, v. high resolution - could do with being a bit more vivid at times though but then you'd sacrifice the battery without a AMOLED screen.

Rumors are now of an April release date - which would tie in with when the x10 came out last year.


Posted by argiriano

On 2011-01-08 20:13:34, io_bg wrote:

On 2011-01-08 14:26:06, argiriano wrote:
Anyone notice the difference in white walls on the screen and the real ones behind? I know the screen backlight make difference on shots like this, but I think the difference here is bigger then normal.

So what do you think is the Arcs Exmor-R just a marketing trick or not?


The automatic settings feature hasn't chosen the proper white balance. What's so wrong with that?
Even cameras sometimes suffer from it.
[ This Message was edited by: io_bg on 2011-01-08 19:15 ]


Actually what I was guessing was the power of Exmor in low-light conditions and you get me wrong I was making complains about Arc`s camera. After I think twice I wasn`t so sure anymore and just want to ask for your opinions. Is that any strange?
[ This Message was edited by: argiriano on 2011-01-09 10:51 ]


Posted by jplacson

On 2011-01-09 00:23:47, Prom1 wrote:
Here is a silly question.

Can I make a voice call using voice recognition - either with supplied wired headphones, BT Headset or directly on device using say 1 of the volume buttons? This was a hallmark of phones started originally by Ericsson and SE before anyone else. Silly question I know, but my Samsung GS Captivate cannot do this with supplied headphones.



One word... Vlingo

Posted by argiriano
Sorry if this was posted before but I see this for the first time sins Arc breaks cover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79cdUNhVKLM

Look at 6:20 the guy claims Reality Display is more efficient than Super Amoled. Even if it isn`t the 6% of all and twice less then the bluetooth is very impressive power usage for screen 4.2" big.

Posted by dibdin
I think the Arc will still be my first choice for my next smartphone, but I quite like the look of the Nova display on the LG optimus black as well.

Posted by Bonovox
That's a poor amount of flash memory considering other manufacturers offer internal storage of 1 to 16 gig

Posted by angryman
Display showing 6% usage at full brightness ?
surely something is off there.

Posted by Mizzle

On 2011-01-09 13:58:40, angryman wrote:
Display showing 6% usage at full brightness ?
surely something is off there.


Not neccessarily. The display uses approximately 50% less power than the one in the X10, and depending on the amount of running applications, 6 percent battery usage isn't that unlikely.

Posted by Bonovox
They have done away with crappy Mediascape Thank heavens for that I noticed the lag when he pinched to zoom all his widgets in that video I hope they sort that out before release Screen whilst nice looks too reflective & shiny
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2011-01-09 13:14 ]


Posted by HYPER-X10
Has any one else noticed the Arc's screen is really black when it's off?

Posted by Bonovox
So are most mobile screens now especially S-AMOLED

Posted by Arne Anka

On 2011-01-09 13:01:00, Bonovox wrote:
That's a poor amount of flash memory considering other manufacturers offer internal storage of 1 to 16 gig


A minor issue since you have an SD-card slot. It's not like on IPhone where lack of SD-card slot simply requires a larg amount of internal memory.

Posted by avmaxfan

On 2011-01-09 14:48:49, HYPER-X10 wrote:
Has any one else noticed the Arc's screen is really black when it's off?


Its still a LCD though so its still not absolute black unlike AMOLED which have perfect blacks

Posted by Arne Anka

On 2011-01-09 15:15:02, avmaxfan wrote:
Its still a LCD though so its still not absolute black unlike AMOLED which have perfect blacks


They are all TFT active matrix LCDs with different techonolgies to illuminate.

Posted by xenia
Hmm. Look at this picture
http://www.gsmarena.com/showp[....]/arc-hands-on/gsmarena_001.jpg
If white\\black gradient line must be black, that it is clean black only on arc, two other has some blue in black.
sorry for my bad eng)

Posted by Bonovox
No it looks grey on the Arc

Posted by avmaxfan

On 2011-01-09 15:39:01, Arne Anka wrote:

On 2011-01-09 15:15:02, avmaxfan wrote:
Its still a LCD though so its still not absolute black unlike AMOLED which have perfect blacks


They are all TFT active matrix LCDs with different techonolgies to illuminate.


Nope ! OLED has nothing to do with TFT LCD. They are both completely different technologies and not related to each other. "LED" is LCD at the end of the day but not OLED.

OLED screens don't use any back lighting like "LED" or LCD screens and hence they can reproduce perfect blacks as there is no light emitted at all.
In comparison LED/LCD use back lighting and hence while displaying blacks there is still some light emitted which doesn't let LCDs attain perfect blacks.

Posted by dibdin
How well do you guys think the screen on the Arc will stand up to the Nova display on the LG Optimus Black or say Super AMOLED plus displays on the new Samsung phones that are later released this year??

Posted by Arne Anka

On 2011-01-09 16:20:23, avmaxfan wrote:
Nope ! OLED has nothing to do with TFT LCD. They are both completely different technologies and not related to each other. "LED" is LCD at the end of the day but not OLED.

OLED screens don't use any back lighting like "LED" or LCD screens and hence they can reproduce perfect blacks as there is no light emitted at all.
In comparison LED/LCD use back lighting and hence while displaying blacks there is still some light emitted which doesn't let LCDs attain perfect blacks.


True, no backlight is used in amoled as in LCDs. My misstake. However, amoled still uses TFT to control the pixels. But that is another story.


Posted by Bonovox
What type of display is the iphone 4?? I ask cos having had both the Galaxy S and iphone 4 I can honestly say they are neck and neck in terms of sunlight viewing. The original x10 is also excellent in sunlight and I think it can also be down to if the manufacturers use non reflective screens. Colours on an amoled screen are much more saturated

Posted by dibdin
Iphone 4 has a retina display, while the Galaxy S had super AMOLED.

Posted by Arne Anka

On 2011-01-09 17:31:00, Bonovox wrote:
What type of display is the iphone 4??


To my best knowledge it is a TFT LCD of IPS (In-Plane Switching) type (refered to as retina display by Apple), if that means anything to you.
[ This Message was edited by: Arne Anka on 2011-01-09 17:39 ]


Posted by Xajel
Okay,

LCD basically can't produce light, it's just a light switching technology in a small case, There's a light source behind the panel, every pixel has 3 sub pixels, each sub pixel is covered with a colored filter, the whole pixel uses three color filter for each sub pixel: Red, Green and blue... the panel controls these sub pixels and how much they let the light leaks throught. by changing that it can produce varity of colors...

There's several kinds of backlighting for the panel...

- CCT : Cold Cathode Tube, basically something similar to a fluorencent light but it is NOT a flourencent light.. a vacume tube with some type of gases inside... these produces clear white color.. it has it's own problems as it works with high voltage, it needs inverter, and it's hot.. and consumes energy...
the tube is placed in different location behind the panel, normally at the bottom or edges... there's some thin layers made of special kind of polymers or plastic that can distribute the light evenly ( but not perfectly ) behind the panel..

- LED : Light Emitting Diods... a small simiconductor device that can emit light.. it has better energy efficincy than reular lights or CCT.. and there's several types of LED to use in this technology.
1- using white LED's : cheap but not accurate as White LED's are not 100% white.. they produce some kind of Blue or yellow tone depending on thier kind...
2- using RGB LED's : it uses three LED colors, Red, Green and blue... and control them indpently to produce a perfect White light... sometimes they uses two Green LED's or two Red LED in the addition to the other colors in order to have better color accurcy.. this can be called RRGB or RGGB

Both type has two ways of implemntation behind the panel
1- Edge LED lighting : the lighting is placed in the edge of the screen.. then the same polymer/plastic layers that is used in CCT to distribute the light is used.. this is cheaper and is used in several applications ( Sony uses them in thier intro level LED Bravia's )...

2- Back LED placing : just put the LED's directly behind the LCD panel.. this still use layers of plastic but for the purpose of diffusion as LED's can be seen as spots without these layers... this is more expensive than the first type as it requires much more LED's and in some cases smaller also...

Here's the point, LCD can control how much light.. but it's not perfect. I mean if you choosed to block completly then it won't block 100% of the light this is why black is not perfectly black in LCD tech. and in the same time allowing light to go through is not perfect also so backlighting must be brighter in order to have the required brightiness.. and this also consumes energy...

these elements controls the features and spec. of LCD vs. AMOLED as AMOLED can produce it's own light, it does not require back lighting... but there's some catchs
1- AMOLED can save energy but not in case of white or bright color.. in a clear white or bright colors all pixels and sub-pixels in the panel will work and brighter will mean more energy.. and having one big source of light is more efficiet than having thousends of of lights... infact in white color AMOLED can consumes 3x the power required by regular LCD.. so guys with AMOLED ( or SAMOLED ), don't use white background...
2- AMOLED needs more layers over the light productions notibley the touch panel, this has big impact when it comes to high-light enviroments like in the sun, this is why LCD is still the leader when it comes to this. In-cell touch panels ( like Samsung's S-AMOLED ) solves this partly but still not perfectly... LCD still the leader in such enviroments...
3- Duo to the fact AMOLED can produce light by it's own... it has better blacks... but LCD can have perfect Blacks too... in Edge LED there's a technology that is invented by Sony to control some LED brighteness in so it can darkens specific regions.. this is good but it can't control small areas duo to the nature of the light distripution layers.. but in back LED placing. each light source ( 1 LED or RGB LEDs ) can be controlled indepently to control the brightness of smaller area than when using Edge LED.. the small area is not that small as it depends on how small the light source is ( each white one, and white LED or RGB array ) Sony uses this technology on their high-end LED Bravia ( the X-series )

Duo to price, energy consumption reasons the back LED placing is hard for Mobile phones... but Edge LED is wider used solution even in laptops...

We don't know which lighting solution used in thier Arc... but the Mobile Bravia engine is just a software version of thier original Bravia Engine ( which runs on a a seperated processor in Bravia TV's ).. it's nearly a color correction and enhancment tech. Mobile Bravia uses software rather than hardware duo to energy and space required by a dedicated processor in the original Bravia TV's... but maybe Arc uses the SLCD also which is better than regular LCD's,,,


Basic facts
1- AMOLED + SAMOLED are not perfect, there's still some sides where LCD wins
2- SAMOLED is a trademark for In-Chip touch panel technology that is developed by Samsung, but Samsung is not the only one that makes In-Chip touch panel, AU Optronics also make them.. the point is Samsung did it's own and put a lot of R&D on this one...
3- S-LCD is jointly developed by both Samsung and Sony... both has 50% of shares but Samsung has 2 more shares than Sony...
4- Sony also did a lot of R&D in OLED ( not AMOLED ) but OLED is much much higher in cost duo to the fact it uses masks to be made... and masks are hard to use and make a lot of defects ( in case of OLED = dead pixels ).. and bigger the screen is, more defects will be... so it's just not ready for the mass market, the only OLED Sony made was small ( I think 11 inches ) and costs USD2500.. so just imagine how much a phone will cost if it uses OLED ( not AMOLED )
5- There's a type of LCD known as IPS, this is the one used by nearly all Apple products, and it is used in pro. LCD's too from other makers.. IPS can produce much better color accurecy than regular LCD's and maybe even more than AMOLED

Posted by Bonovox

On 2011-01-09 17:43:20, dibdin wrote:
Iphone 4 has a retina display, while the Galaxy S had super AMOLED.


Yes,but is retina not just the pixels??

Posted by NightBlade
@ Xajel,
It's due, not duo.

Grammar Nazi out.


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