Posted by argiriano
On 2010-12-29 12:49:08, redsaph wrote:
If that phone has a 3" screen, then it wouldn't be a successor to the X10 Mini but a successor to the X8.
Yep, if we look at the task bar we can see the similarities with X8 display - same size battery and net indicators and the same width of the screen. So i suppose either the screen is smaller and the screen resolution is bigger, or the screen is exact the same as X8 one - 3" 320x480.
Posted by Lollylost100
On 2010-12-29 12:49:08, redsaph wrote:
If that phone has a 3" screen, then it wouldn't be a successor to the X10 Mini but a successor to the X8.
It is an X10 mini/mini pro successor.
Posted by tranced
I can understand his point there. A 3 inches screen is fair big coming from the X10 mini's.
Posted by mustafabay
I'm more concerned about the device's side to be honest, the minis are more about the size not the screen. And what about the Vivaz successors? Are they going to get bigger screens, 3.5" should be the size or else its not going to be making much sense with 3" and 3.2".
I'm also guessing the X8 won't be getting a successor for a long time but will just stick around and become cheaper over time.
Posted by MrCash
On 2010-12-29 15:04:44, tranced wrote:
I can understand his point there. A 3 inches screen is fair big coming from the X10 mini's.
everything gets bigger
4.3" ANZU is a 4" X10's successor
if there's an X8 successor , I believe it will come with a 3.2 / 3.4 inch screen
..
Posted by Xajel
MrCash...
Not necceary everything will gets bigger, the X10 Mini's are meant to be mini, this is why in the first place they had a small screens...
I think
thought and heard from thier customers, that minis are smaller than what they should be as a touch device... the screen has to be bigger coz the original was hard to use, that's why I think they decided to go for larger one..
but as the success of the mini series continue, I don't think they will become larger in every generation as they wont be mini's any more !!
now we have some 4.3 and even 4.5'' screens so do you think these devices next gen. will have larger screens ? and what about next ones ??
SE has a very nice strategy of thier first attempt of designing an android phones, Mini, medium and large...
and now they will continue this strategy with a little bit expanding to cover more markets.. some guys will love large screen but not that much spec. so we may see two mini's as usual.. 1 - 2 mediums... and 2 - 3 big ones... these will cover the market and gives more options... ofcourse I'm talking about the whole 2011 year not just 1H, and maybe 2011 and a little bit of 2012 too...
Now
has the perfect design from 2010 Android series...
I hope in 2011 they will have the perfect mix of design, support and market coverage...
Design with the perfect design phones, nice looking and touchs pro...
Support with always fast and up-to-date firmware, not just the first and sec updates, I hope they had fast updates and also makes thier products life span longer so they don't forget them when they launch thier successors after only 1 year !!
Market coverage I mean to design a phone that covers the market needs... currently the Mini, Medium and big phones are good but we need at least two for each of these sizes...
personally I hope
comes with a strategy that makes updates much better depending on age of the device...
1- First year : quarterly based updates ( every three months ), concetrate on fixes and feature updates and Android version when available...
2- Second year : thirdly based update ( every four months ), concetrating on fixes ( if found ) and Android version when available. features can wait for next update in the same year...
3- Third year : Only Android version update.. and maybe some very important fixes if found...
and I don't they will make it but it will be nice to open the platform after that so community can make thier own android updates... I don't think this will happend duo to some IP's in drivers and hardware they can't reveal...
Posted by pauvincent
i have to agree no more leaks i hope these leaks are controlled leaks by
for teasing purposes hope the big surprise don't get shown 
for 's sake
Posted by mustafabay
The only thing that would surprise me from SE is if the pull an Apple and say, here are some phones and at least one of them will be available on sale within say a week or two max. Now that would be a surprise. Other than that anything they announce will just be nice.
I don't see the X8 getting bigger in fact I wouldn't be surprised if its successor was a 2.8" screen.
Posted by pauvincent
On 2010-12-29 16:15:18, Xajel wrote:
MrCash...
Not necceary everything will gets bigger, the X10 Mini's are meant to be mini, this is why in the first place they had a small screens...
I think
thought and heard from thier customers, that minis are smaller than what they should be as a touch device... the screen has to be bigger coz the original was hard to use, that's why I think they decided to go for larger one..
but as the success of the mini series continue, I don't think they will become larger in every generation as they wont be mini's any more !!
now we have some 4.3 and even 4.5'' screens so do you think these devices next gen. will have larger screens ? and what about next ones ??
SE has a very nice strategy of thier first attempt of designing an android phones, Mini, medium and large...
and now they will continue this strategy with a little bit expanding to cover more markets.. some guys will love large screen but not that much spec. so we may see two mini's as usual.. 1 - 2 mediums... and 2 - 3 big ones... these will cover the market and gives more options... ofcourse I'm talking about the whole 2011 year not just 1H, and maybe 2011 and a little bit of 2012 too...
Now
has the perfect design from 2010 Android series...
I hope in 2011 they will have the perfect mix of design, support and market coverage...
Design with the perfect design phones, nice looking and touchs pro...
Support with always fast and up-to-date firmware, not just the first and sec updates, I hope they had fast updates and also makes thier products life span longer so they don't forget them when they launch thier successors after only 1 year !!
Market coverage I mean to design a phone that covers the market needs... currently the Mini, Medium and big phones are good but we need at least two for each of these sizes...
personally I hope
comes with a strategy that makes updates much better depending on age of the device...
1- First year : quarterly based updates ( every three months ), concetrate on fixes and feature updates and Android version when available...
2- Second year : thirdly based update ( every four months ), concetrating on fixes ( if found ) and Android version when available. features can wait for next update in the same year...
3- Third year : Only Android version update.. and maybe some very important fixes if found...
and I don't they will make it but it will be nice to open the platform after that so community can make thier own android updates... I don't think this will happend duo to some IP's in drivers and hardware they can't reveal...
I don't think
will make such updates may be the1st year but not 2nd, 3rd. Its all about making money they would probably sell a new unit than update an old phone. Yes customer care after the unit has been sold is important but it would be more profitable if customers would buy a new phone lets face it hardware of phones get outdated fast.[ This Message was edited by: pauvincent on 2010-12-29 15:54 ]
Posted by badassmam
Vivaz 2 is bigger than Vivaz in a good way as is the X10 Mini 2, the current Mini is a bit too small (I couldn't text on it at all). Don't worry though, it looks thinner than the current one and its still relatively small. There's one thing that hasn't been leaked and it would be best for them if it remains hidden until hours before announcement. Not sure if there will be '4' devices announced or released but I agree with Back2You that there are a few more that are close to being ready and it wouldn't surprise me if they were announced as well but at different times.
Posted by zub
On 2010-12-29 07:34:00, goldenface wrote:
@zub
se.it168.com is a site that has been around for many years and we source a lot of our SE rumours from there. It's a huge site and it's interesting - if you can navigate the forums there.
ahh thanks for that, makes sense. i had a browse of the site anyway, lol found like 4 or 5 WP7
phones.
Posted by goldenface
If the screen is 3" then that is quite a jump for the Mini successor. Although the overall dimensions might actually make the phone feel slimmer and just as short as the Mini.
Quite a leak-fest we have had in the last few days. It might make
hurry up and announce things before the important stuff gets leaked. 
Posted by goldenface
I suspect there might be an announcement just before CES next week (6th - 9th Jan).
They are exhibiting after all and they've nothing new to show there other than the LiveView bluetooth watch and the MS430 portable speaker, which will hardly drive hordes of people to their stall.
Posted by tranced
That would be pitiful. I can't imagine a
stand just showing those accessories.
Posted by doministry
So finally situation with eventuall WP7 device is not clarified.
Posted by viper7
Don't forget that Techradar (http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/sony-ericsson-likely-to-demo-psp-phone-in-january-917788?src=rss&attr=all) have said their is a UK media event on Jan 6th to show 'how Sony Ericsson plans to enhance the Android experience for consumers'. Not sure what, to expect though as also the MWC invites seem to imply that will be the announcement date! (unless there is a) soft launch in Jan, or b) two seperate events for different products)
Posted by zub
hey do you know where this media event is going to be exactly?
Posted by huiyi
NEW PSP PHONES
Compatible PSP ISO。。 
Double rocker
[ This Message was edited by: huiyi on 2010-12-30 02:53 ]
Posted by S4k1s
That is a mock up with rumored features....
Posted by zub
yh you can defo tell it is just a rumour article from that last pic. although sadly the double physical analogue sticks wont be joining us on the real psphone
[ This Message was edited by: zub on 2010-12-30 03:41 ]
Posted by goldenface
On 2010-12-30 01:13:06, viper7 wrote:
Don't forget that Techradar http://www.techradar.com/news[....]mo-psp-phone-in-january-917788 have said their is a UK media event on Jan 6th to show 'how Sony Ericsson plans to enhance the Android experience for consumers'. Not sure what, to expect though as also the MWC invites seem to imply that will be the announcement date! (unless there is a) soft launch in Jan, or b) two seperate events for different products)
Hmm, so there could be an announcement as early as one week today? Interesting.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-12-30 08:29 ]
Posted by smclion102
On 2010-12-30 04:40:01, zub wrote:
yh you can defo tell it is just a rumour article from that last pic. although sadly the double physical analogue sticks wont be joining us on the real psphone
[ This Message was edited by: zub on 2010-12-30 03:41 ]
+ no COD for PSPhone
Posted by smclion102
Can some1 confirm Whether X10mini successor has FRONT CAM???
Posted by back2you
On 2010-12-30 10:14:46, smclion102 wrote:
Can some1 confirm Whether X10mini successor has FRONT CAM???
front camera : yes
Posted by CELL-P
I know that some people like small phone and a 3" display is enough for them, but I don't understand why SE insists to use 320×480 HVGA.
It would've been a good phone is SE threw a high resolution display there. And I hope the camera is more than 5 MP.
And oh, it reminds of Sony Walkman X series. I wanted a phone similar to it with OLED and stuff back then when they just released it, but now...
Overall, I am very disappointed so far.
[ This Message was edited by: CELL-P on 2010-12-30 09:36 ]
Posted by zub
On 2010-12-30 10:02:33, smclion102 wrote:
On 2010-12-30 04:40:01, zub wrote:
yh you can defo tell it is just a rumour article from that last pic. although sadly the double physical analogue sticks wont be joining us on the real psphone
[ This Message was edited by: zub on 2010-12-30 03:41 ]
+ no COD for PSPhone
hey who knows?! this is gonna be gaming + phone, means data connection pretty much required, so maybe after sometime, multiplier fps may come!
Posted by TheBecksF
Cpu is 1gb qualcomm msm8655 more powerful than what you all sayed i think ?
if its not high-end that will mean ?
Posted by Shino03
That will mean that the flagship will definitely not have 800mhz as opposed to Eldar's assumption..
Posted by badassmam
The multi touch strip thing will allow for fps games which are the most popular games at the moment.
Posted by avmaxfan
On 2010-12-30 16:10:00, Shino03 wrote:
That will mean that the flagship will definitely not have 800mhz as opposed to Eldar's assumption..
Well from the leaks so far, NONE of the phones will have 800 mhz processor. All 1 ghz
Posted by Lollylost100
Or values in the kernel will be changed for retail devices
.[ This Message was edited by: Lollylost100 on 2010-12-30 15:30 ]
Posted by Xajel
On 2010-12-30 10:34:52, CELL-P wrote:
I know that some people like small phone and a 3" display is enough for them, but I don't understand why SE insists to use 320×480 HVGA.
It would've been a good phone is SE threw a high resolution display there. And I hope the camera is more than 5 MP.
+1
Agree with resolution, but I think
didn't have an option with that size, they are stuck with these resolution @ this screen size as if they increase the resolution all items will be smaller too, and maybe small to a level to clone the original mini which a lot of peoples had issues duo to the small screen...
just take a look at Satio, it has 3.5'' but with a little more resolution, 640x360, so here if you compared the new mini 3" screen to Satio's 3.5" screen you will see that
3.5" = 640x360
3.0" = 480x320
From resolution perspective we can calculate the aspect ratio, Satio does have 16:9 ratio, but the new Mini has 9:6 (or 15:10 to make it simplaer to imagine ).. in another words
Satio = 3.5" = 640x360 = 16:9 = 1.777
New Mini = 3.0" = 480x320 = 9:6 = 1.5
using the diagnoal size and aspect ratio we can calculate how big the screen is...
but first lets convert the inches to Centimeteres ( I don't like inches any way, + centimeters are IS )
3.0 inches equals 7.62cm ( according to google )
so 7.62 will equals sequared height + sequared width, and coz we know that width = 1.5 x height, lets assume that height is Y.. so width = 1.5*Y
so 7.62² = Y² + (Y*1.5)²
7.62² = Y² + ( Y*1.5 * Y*1.5 )
7.62² = Y² + ( Y² * 2.25 )
7.62² = 3.25 * Y²
58.0644 = 3.25 * Y²
Y² = 58.0644/3.25 = 17.866
Y = root of 17.866 = 4.226
so Height is 4.226cm and Width is 4.226* 1.5 = 6.3339
next Mini screen size is 6.334cm*4.226cm
so next Mini screen density is 75.78 ppc ( 192.4ppi )
compared to Satio's 82.68 ppc ( 210ppi ) ( source )
yes it's lower, but where
can have a 3.0" with higher resolution that is not odd, if want to have same PPI as Satio for the new Mini, then resolution will be very odd, imagine a resolution of 523x350 !!
BTW, iPhone 3gs which have 3.5 but only 163ppi ( it has 480x320 resolution, yes same as the new Mini but with larger screen )
the only exception is iPhone 4, which is known to have much better dpi which 326ppi...
but iPhone 4 is made by Apple which made iOS also so Apple can make alot of thing with the OS,
can modify Android yes to support more dpi without having trouble with UI resizing to make it user friendly not like the original Mini, but will need more customization and they don't want this as it will need more time !!
Posted by CELL-P
They could've just used a FWVGA 480×854 since it is common on Android phones regardless of the display size.
When this resolution was first introduced, most phones had 3-3.2" displays. I am talking about J-phones. SO906i was one of them too (3" 480×864 & released in 2008). SE has always been stingy with the rest of world.
[ This Message was edited by: CELL-P on 2010-12-30 17:54 ]
Posted by roanmy
In all fairness, none of the others that release phones have released the same in Japan and the rest of the world and been successful, except SE with X10/SO-01B.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but SE is the only manufacturer that is present in Japan (with keitai's etc) AND the rest of the world? (HTC android doesn't count here).
Posted by mustafabay
So the X10 minis had QVGA and an upgrade to HVGA isn't good enough? Again they are mid range, and with the Vivaz successors being higher end maybe they'll be WVGA. I don't see why there won't be something for everyone.
Posted by zub
i think Xajel deserves some props for all the effort in that post
would be rude to just ignore it!
for you Xajel, 10
!
Posted by goldenface
I'm really optimistic about the new 2011 mini range. There is absolutely no reason why it can't do really well, considering that the 2010 X10 mini seems to have done well considering it only had Donut at launch.
Posted by Xajel
On 2010-12-30 18:52:43, CELL-P wrote:
They could've just used a FWVGA 480×854 since it is common on Android phones regardless of the display size.
When this resolution was first introduced, most phones had 3-3.2" displays. I am talking about J-phones. SO906i was one of them too (3" 480×864 & released in 2008). SE has always been stingy with the rest of world.
If 16:9 ( 1.777777 ) is wide in devices like Satio, 5800, N97... what about 480x854 ? it's alittle bit wider ( 1.7791 ).. + did you saw that SO906i ?
Imagine a phone with just the upper section of this calmshell.. do you think this will be mini ?
it's about the same dimention plus or minus the good Aino ( it's has 3.0" too but lower res. ) so do you think Aino is can be Mini ?
+ you forgot the point of more resolution in same size ( higher DPI ) will mean smaller in-screen items.. so smaller icons, smaller Android bar, smaller text... every thing will be smaller...
will have to make some UI tweaks in order to make it friendly and will need that time to make better and faster updates !!... and already got too many complaint about how small item in the original Mini duo to small screen... what you suggest is to have bigger screen with higher res. so items will still be small for finger use. it will just have more empty space !!
basically, when I first saw that res. I thought it's low, but later when I re-thought about it.. it's nice and the best option... so if any one will need higher res. then wait to see X8 successor... that one have to be bigger screen and higher resolution. a resolution that will satisfy us
On 2010-12-30 22:18:22, zub wrote:
i think Xajel deserves some props for all the effort in that post
would be rude to just ignore it!
for you Xajel, 10
!
Thanks dude. it took me a while to remember all those mid and high school stuff with triangles
I just want two
's from 2011, a next Mini or next X8 for my fiancé, and some high end for me
Posted by CELL-P
I was just saying that FWVGA isn't impossible on a 3" phone. If they will make a HVGA phone, that's fine. But I am not expecting something above $200. Funny, X10 Mini was sold for almost $300 the last time I check despite its crappy hardware.
Posted by se_dude
The last I heard, HTC legend was sold for twice the price with the same hardware as the SE X8. And overpricing is subjective. It really doesnt refer to what a bunch of fools think. Its market related and is subjective to a model of another brand with the same specs. Can you name me another top brand with the same specs as the X10 mini but cheaper?
Posted by se_dude
yea so? I would rather buy a phone with the same specs twice than buy one phone with better build quality at twice the price.
Posted by jack00
On 2010-12-31 15:37:31, se_dude wrote:
yea so? I would rather buy a phone with the same specs twice than buy one phone with better build quality at twice the price.
but HTC makes more profit with selling one legend, then sony ericsson with selling two X8.
thats were their business case currently fails.
Posted by goldenface
^True, but by the same token, SE has gained twice as many customers, who might upgrade to further SE phones in the future.
Posted by back2you
SONY WIKILEAKS
PSphone at CES 2011
official announcement by SONY and SONYERICSSON
Posted by io_bg
I hope you're right
Happy New Year by the way
Posted by pauvincent
On 2011-01-01 00:44:19, io_bg wrote:
I hope you're right
Happy New Year by the way
+1
Happy new year to all
Posted by zub
On 2010-12-31 23:51:58, back2you wrote:
SONY WIKILEAKS
PSphone at CES 2011
official announcement by SONY and SONYERICSSON
well i hope they announce its coming before april..... thats way too far away
Posted by smclion102
On 2010-12-31 23:51:58, back2you wrote:
SONY WIKILEAKS
PSphone at CES 2011
official announcement by SONY and SONYERICSSON
Hopefully They Wont Announce at CES
till the product is launched by april it will be too long
FEB is more than enough...
=====
HTC gona announce Dual Core Phone at CES with 1.2ghz
PLZ PLZ GIVE US DUAL CORE THIS FEB...
---------
Happy New Year Guys
Posted by avmaxfan
On 2011-01-01 07:44:36, smclion102 wrote:
On 2010-12-31 23:51:58, back2you wrote:
SONY WIKILEAKS
PSphone at CES 2011
official announcement by SONY and SONYERICSSON
HTC gona announce Dual Core Phone at CES with 1.2ghz
Sorry for off topic but its kinda related to the Hallon's abnormally huge front facing cam
. Htc dual core phone - the thunderbolt has a 5 megapixel front facing camera
P.S. Other manufacturers will also showcase their dual core smartphones at CES.
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2011-01-01 08:07 ]
Posted by Karun
By mentioning 'other manufacturers..', are you hinting that our very own SE will also showcase a dual core device at CES?