Posted by randomuser
On 2011-11-18 14:01:43, adsada wrote:
On 2011-11-18 13:48:18, randomuser wrote:
Not bashing or anything but its funny how in the past 2 years Samsung and
have almost been opposite of each other.
Galaxy S/S2 best Android flagship unbeaten , ahead of competition. And
Xperia X10/Arc worst Android flagship outdated even before they launched. The trend looks to continue into 2012 with Galaxy S3/Nozomi
Not quite true, the Xpeira X10 and Galaxy S has pretty similar specs to each other and actually the X10 had a far better 8MP camera with flash, the S on the other hand only had 5MP. The only issue with the X10 was the low version of android (1.6) but SE have learnt from this mistake and are making up for it massively.
Not really. Galaxy S hummingbird chipset was the best and most powerful single core CPU whereas X10 only had a first gen 1 ghz Qualcomm snapdragon. Galaxy S was the best and most powerful smartphone in 2010 and the X10 was the least desired flagship phone. Outdated OS version, 384mb RAM, 1st gen Snapdragon and a not so impressive screen.
Samsung hummingbird is the only single core CPU that can decode 1080p videos. And now the Exynos continues the legacy being the only dual core chipset currently that can playback 1080p web flash videos in the browser whereas all others including Nvidia Tegra2, Qualcomm 8260/8660, TI OMAP 4430/4460 struggle with even 720p. Even most netbooks cannot play 1080p flash videos.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2011-11-18 14:21 ]
Posted by HxH
On 2011-11-18 15:20:32, randomuser wrote:
On 2011-11-18 14:01:43, adsada wrote:
On 2011-11-18 13:48:18, randomuser wrote:
Not bashing or anything but its funny how in the past 2 years Samsung and
have almost been opposite of each other.
Galaxy S/S2 best Android flagship unbeaten , ahead of competition. And
Xperia X10/Arc worst Android flagship outdated even before they launched. The trend looks to continue into 2012 with Galaxy S3/Nozomi
Not quite true, the Xpeira X10 and Galaxy S has pretty similar specs to each other and actually the X10 had a far better 8MP camera with flash, the S on the other hand only had 5MP. The only issue with the X10 was the low version of android (1.6) but SE have learnt from this mistake and are making up for it massively.
Not really. Galaxy S hummingbird chipset was the best and most powerful single core CPU whereas X10 only had a first gen 1 ghz Qualcomm snapdragon. Galaxy S was the best and most powerful smartphone in 2010 and the X10 was the least desired flagship phone. Outdated OS version, 384mb RAM, 1st gen Snapdragon and a not so impressive screen.
Samsung hummingbird is the only single core CPU that can decode 1080p videos. And now the Exynos continues the legacy being the only dual core chipset currently that can playback 1080p web flash videos in the browser whereas all others including Nvidia Tegra2, Qualcomm 8260/8660, TI OMAP 4430/4460 struggle with even 720p. Even most netbooks cannot play 1080p flash videos.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2011-11-18 14:21 ]
Yes, it's fact!
Posted by nikos_se
Yes,galaxy S was a much better smartphone than xperia x10,however the reason is that it was developed 6 months after the x10.Let's not forget that xperia x10,had its specs finalized by June 2009,while Galaxy S started its development around Sep-Nov '09.Still the main reason x10 failed was its outdated version of Android,the initial lack of multitouch,and its uninspiring screen.Now,about xperia arc vs galaxy s2,their main difference was on the processor/ram,in a lot of areas it was a draw(camera,screen,connectivity),while in some other areas arc was better(design,ui).Plus,the arc costs around 100-120eur less than the s2.I just hope next year until sony takes over,
will use the latest processors available,and will not continue using older processors than competition.
Posted by randomuser
On 2011-11-18 17:36:47, nikos_se wrote:
Yes,galaxy S was a much better smartphone than xperia x10,however the reason is that it was developed 6 months after the x10.Let's not forget that xperia x10,had its specs finalized by June 2009,while Galaxy S started its development around Sep-Nov '09.Still the main reason x10 failed was its outdated version of Android,the initial lack of multitouch,and its uninspiring screen.Now,about xperia arc vs galaxy s2,their main difference was on the processor/ram,in a lot of areas it was a draw(camera,screen,connectivity),while in some other areas arc was better(design,ui).Plus,the arc costs around 100-120eur less than the s2.I just hope next year until sony takes over,
will use the latest processors available,and will not continue using older processors than competition.
I don't see any change going by the leaks so far
Nozomi is said to have the 8260 Qualcomm and I have lost hope that it will have anything better. Also another reason why I think will not use a more powerful CPU is as someone mentioned in the chinese forums next year as well is going to use one single platform across all its devices - high, mid and low end. All dual core.
Only ROG can tell us the truth
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2011-11-19 03:43 ]
Posted by Dups!
I am with randomuser on (the) Nozomi processor, unless they are testing multiple Nozomis with different processors but going by SE's recent history I have my doubts.
I still wish for a decent processor cause I am quite intrigued by that leak, particularly about the potential for the application ofthe LED around the phone.
Posted by Legen
What worries me is that sony(ericsson) will be behind once again. While other phone makers are rocking quadcore they will be only releasing dualcore. Some might argue "android not fully utilising all cores" but i think they(sonyericsson) need to keep with the times
[ This Message was edited by: Legen on 2011-11-19 06:54 ]
Posted by lolstebbo
On 2011-11-19 07:53:16, Legen wrote:
What worries me is that sony(ericsson) will be behind once again. While other phone makers are rocking quadcore they will be only releasing dualcore. Some might argue "android not fully utilising all cores" but i think they(sonyericsson) need to keep with the times
[ This Message was edited by: Legen on 2011-11-19 06:54 ]
The other thing to consider is SE's approach to their product line this year; it's fair to assume Sony will continue this year's strategy, considering how, especially on an operational level, successful it was. Sure, none of this years XPERIAs were the most powerful or the most outrageously-spec'd. However, SE has, this year, been the most committed to keeping up with software updates (and they've done a good job of it when you consider a lot of the 2.3.# releases from Google were bug fixes for the Nexus S and therefore are more or less irrelevant for other phones). Their strategy also makes them much stronger in the low-end and highly competitive in the mid-range; these two segments are what sells more. Their flagship is a design one, not a performance one. And this year it's worked out more or less fine.
Posted by randomuser
On 2011-11-19 09:55:36, lolstebbo wrote:
On 2011-11-19 07:53:16, Legen wrote:
What worries me is that sony(ericsson) will be behind once again. While other phone makers are rocking quadcore they will be only releasing dualcore. Some might argue "android not fully utilising all cores" but i think they(sonyericsson) need to keep with the times
[ This Message was edited by: Legen on 2011-11-19 06:54 ]
The other thing to consider is SE's approach to their product line this year; it's fair to assume Sony will continue this year's strategy, considering how, especially on an operational level, successful it was. Sure, none of this years XPERIAs were the most powerful or the most outrageously-spec'd. However, SE has, this year, been the most committed to keeping up with software updates (and they've done a good job of it when you consider a lot of the 2.3.# releases from Google were bug fixes for the Nexus S and therefore are more or less irrelevant for other phones). Their strategy also makes them much stronger in the low-end and highly competitive in the mid-range; these two segments are what sells more. Their flagship is a design one, not a performance one. And this year it's worked out more or less fine.
Unfortunately not. 2011
android market share has dropped drastically from 2010 when they only had the X10 and the X10 minis.
Posted by adsada
To be fair, up until about the start of Q3 of this year the only
phones on the market were the Xperia arc, neo and PLAY which was due to the floods in Japan. Last year they also had more low range handsets like the cedar, elm, spiro etc. which also made up a greater amount of there total shipping amount. I would wait until 2011 is over to judge the figures from this year because I would be surprised if a range of well priced handsets (the PLAY and mini pro have drastically dropped in price) in the Q4 results were anything but good.
Posted by HxH
It's not flood but Earthquake and followed by Tsunami crushed into some of those Japanese industrial area which included Sony mobile camera & screen factory as well!
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-19 12:59 ]
Posted by adsada
That's what the media calls it though so that has kind of stuck
[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2011-11-19 13:11 ]
Posted by hhlong89
On 2011-11-19 14:10:29, adsada wrote:
That's what the media calls it though so that has kind of stuck
[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2011-11-19 13:11 ]
Sony Ericsson MT18i with CPU 1.4 GHz
Source: sevodoi.blogspot.com
Posted by hhlong89
On 2011-11-19 16:43:25, hhlong89 wrote:
On 2011-11-19 14:10:29, adsada wrote:
That's what the media calls it though so that has kind of stuck
[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2011-11-19 13:11 ]
Sony Ericsson MT18i with CPU 1.4 GHz
Source: sevodoi.blogspot.com
UAProf of Sony Ericsson MT27i, LT26i, LT28at, ST25i
Source: sevodoi.blogspot.com
Posted by randomuser
On 2011-11-20 03:14:07, hhlong89 wrote:
On 2011-11-19 16:43:25, hhlong89 wrote:
On 2011-11-19 14:10:29, adsada wrote:
That's what the media calls it though so that has kind of stuck
[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2011-11-19 13:11 ]
Sony Ericsson MT18i with CPU 1.4 GHz
Source: sevodoi.blogspot.com
UAProf of Sony Ericsson MT27i, LT26i, LT28at, ST25i
Source: sevodoi.blogspot.com
Cortex A8 CPU. Qualcomm first gen dual core. I really don't understand why
is doing this ? Why do they not want to compete with other brands with a true high end model ? Sure this Qualcomm 1st gen dual core CPU will be great in the entry level and mid range devices but its going to be horribly outdated in the Nozomi.[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2011-11-20 04:11 ]
Posted by HxH
Every Qualcomm Snapdragon chip is based on Cortex A8 Architecture even Krait 28nm, that's why I start do not like them. Old technology Sell Expensive.
While those competitor using Cortex A9 architecture : ST-Ericsson NovaThor / Nvidia Tegra / Samsung Exynos / TI OMAP 4. Look into these benchmark tests , where Qualcomm had been left in dust. And will be even worse in next year because Samsung might goes for Cortex A7 (IMHO - it could be 2013 model because Samsung already announced Exynos 4212 which is manufactured at 32nm already) recently announced and OMAP 5 is Cortex A15 ready!
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sams[....]rmance-in-ice-cream-sandwich/" TARGET="_blank" rel="nofollow">Refer
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-20 09:59 ]
Posted by SE cz
Short overview of new UA profiles (2012 portfolio):
LT22i (resolution 960x540 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT22iR601.xml
LT26i (resolution 1280x720 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT26iR601.xml
LT28at (resolution 720x1280 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT28atR601.xml
MT27i (resolution 480x854 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/MT27iR601.xml
ST25i (resolution 480x854 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/ST25iR601.xml
btw.: note that resolution of display, first number mean width and second one height, as U see there is clear-cut distinction between LT22i+LT26i and the rest. Interesting resolution has LT22i, it is very closely same as PlayStation VITA (960x544).
[ This Message was edited by: SE cz on 2011-11-20 20:10 ]
Posted by kewsvnet
On 2011-11-20 20:42:22, SE cz wrote:
Short overview of new UA profiles (2012 portfolio):
LT22i (resolution 960x540 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT22iR601.xml
LT26i (resolution 1280x720 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT26iR601.xml
LT28at (resolution 720x1280 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT28atR601.xml
MT27i (resolution 480x854 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/MT27iR601.xml
ST25i (resolution 480x854 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/ST25iR601.xml
btw.: note that resolution of display, first number mean width and second one height, as U see there is clear-cut distinction between LT22i+LT26i and the rest. Interesting resolution has LT22i, it is very closely same as PlayStation VITA (960x544).
[ This Message was edited by: SE cz on 2011-11-20 20:10 ]
so two of the phones are designed to be wide orientation...or they are actually tablets!! was really looking forward to seeing at least one codename to have a K there SK25i or MK27i...would like to have a nice successor for the mini pro!
Posted by lolstebbo
On 2011-11-20 20:42:22, SE cz wrote:
Short overview of new UA profiles (2012 portfolio):
LT22i (resolution 960x540 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT22iR601.xml
LT26i (resolution 1280x720 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT26iR601.xml
LT28at (resolution 720x1280 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT28atR601.xml
MT27i (resolution 480x854 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/MT27iR601.xml
ST25i (resolution 480x854 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/ST25iR601.xml
btw.: note that resolution of display, first number mean width and second one height, as U see there is clear-cut distinction between LT22i+LT26i and the rest. Interesting resolution has LT22i, it is very closely same as PlayStation VITA (960x544).
[ This Message was edited by: SE cz on 2011-11-20 20:10 ]
ST25i with an FWVGA screen? Are they moving the Mini up to the Ray's size?!?
Posted by SE cz
On 2011-11-20 21:44:27, kewsvnet wrote:
On 2011-11-20 20:42:22, SE cz wrote:
Short overview of new UA profiles (2012 portfolio):
LT22i (resolution 960x540 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT22iR601.xml
LT26i (resolution 1280x720 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT26iR601.xml
LT28at (resolution 720x1280 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT28atR601.xml
MT27i (resolution 480x854 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/MT27iR601.xml
ST25i (resolution 480x854 pixels): http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/ST25iR601.xml
btw.: note that resolution of display, first number mean width and second one height, as U see there is clear-cut distinction between LT22i+LT26i and the rest. Interesting resolution has LT22i, it is very closely same as PlayStation VITA (960x544).
so two of the phones are designed to be wide orientation...or they are actually tablets!! was really looking forward to seeing at least one codename to have a K there SK25i or MK27i...would like to have a nice successor for the mini pro!
That note was just only note, becouse in all other profiles it is right (width x height). As U see LT26i is not designed to be wide orientation, it is 720x1280 not 1280x720:
[ This Message was edited by: SE cz on 2011-11-20 21:23 ]
Posted by mustafabay
1280X720 = 720p = resolution of Galaxy Nexus. Why assume tablet?
Posted by Bonovox
Is this Nozomi still coming out?? Will it be rje last SE device?? Or will it be under Sony name??
Posted by smclion102
On 2011-11-21 02:10:00, Bonovox wrote:
Is this Nozomi still coming out?? Will it be rje last SE device?? Or will it be under Sony name??
50 MORE DAYS FOR CES
we will get to know most of the stuff that day 
Fingers Crossed
Posted by Legen
On 2011-11-21 11:29:14, smclion102 wrote:
On 2011-11-21 02:10:00, Bonovox wrote:
Is this Nozomi still coming out?? Will it be rje last SE device?? Or will it be under Sony name??
50 MORE DAYS FOR CES
we will get to know most of the stuff that day Fingers Crossed
Sounds so soon when you put it that way
Posted by motvikt
http://phandroid.com/2011/11/[....]snapdragon-s4-and-qhd-display/
Seriously I understand if HTC gets a phone with krait out on the market faster than SE, but ASUS too? WTF?
Posted by Bonovox
On 2011-11-21 11:29:14, smclion102 wrote:
On 2011-11-21 02:10:00, Bonovox wrote:
Is this Nozomi still coming out?? Will it be rje last SE device?? Or will it be under Sony name??
50 MORE DAYS FOR CES
we will get to know most of the stuff that day Fingers Crossed
Ok cool
Posted by kewsvnet
On 2011-11-20 07:10:49, HxH wrote:
Every Qualcomm Snapdragon chip is based on Cortex A8 Architecture even Krait 28nm, that's why I start do not like them. Old technology Sell Expensive.
While those competitor using Cortex A9 architecture : ST-Ericsson NovaThor / Nvidia Tegra / Samsung Exynos / TI OMAP 4. Look into these benchmark tests , where Qualcomm had been left in dust. And will be even worse in next year because Samsung might goes for Cortex A7 (IMHO - it could be 2013 model because Samsung already announced Exynos 4212 which is manufactured at 32nm already) recently announced and OMAP 5 is Cortex A15 ready!
from what I can see krait only uses the cortex-a8 instruction set...not the architecture! infact its architecture is meant to be better than A9 and probably comparable to A15...and considering it is about the only 28nm chipset available currently...should offer pretty good power efficiency...not to mention its cores are asynchronous so it can switch one off if not needed...the only thing that isnt too great is the GPU! so unless u want hardcore gaming it should offer pretty good performance in my opinion. its not always about the number of cores! and also this should improve power efficiency now all I wish is that
(sony) use LED for screens which would give even better power efficiency...and the new phones should have much better batt life!!!!
Android Authority
The new S4 is based on a completely new architecture called Krait (more like the jump from Cortex A9 to Cortex A15 than the one from Cortex A8 to Cortex A9) that is also manufactured at the smallest processing node so far for ARM chips–28 nm.
AnandTech
Scorpion was Qualcomm's first Snapdragon CPU architecture. At a high level, it looked very much like an optimized ARM Cortex A8 design although the two had nothing in common outside of instruction set.
Qualcomm lengthened Krait's integer pipeline slightly from 10 stages in Scorpion to 11 stages in Krait. Load/store operations tack on another two cycles and instructions that go through the Neon/VFP path further lengthen the pipe. ARM's Cortex A15 design by comparison features a 15-stage integer pipeline. Qualcomm's design does contain more custom logic than ARM's stock A15, which has typically given it a clock speed advantage. The A15's deeper pipeline should give it a clock speed advantage as well. Whether the two effectively cancel each other out remains to be seen.
Posted by aamwng
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]-announced-at-CES-2012_id23938
Posted by adsada
On 2011-11-21 23:21:34, aamwng wrote:
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]-announced-at-CES-2012_id23938
Hmmm...this could be a very interesting strategy, if in 2012, they have their high end 'new' phones, but also drop the price of their 2011 phones and continue to sell them as mid range or even low end phones?? I could see the cheap one like walkan mix £50, the mini range dropping as far down as £80? the neo/pro around £150 mark and the ray and arc s as £200?
Posted by aamwng
Xperiablog is back on!!!
Spread the news
[ This Message was edited by: aamwng on 2011-11-21 22:32 ]
Posted by nikos_se
If sony ericsson dual-core phones USE are based on scorpion cpu and not krait,it will be a big fail!!!I just hope that they have realised that and the test units that are around the web are just reference devices,with not finalized hardware.(fingers crossed xD)
Posted by DACHA
On 2011-11-22 00:02:01, nikos_se wrote:
If sony ericsson dual-core phones USE are based on scorpion cpu and not krait,it will be a big fail!!!I just hope that they have realised that and the test units that are around the web are just reference devices,with not finalized hardware.(fingers crossed xD)
This is from unknown13x
What's wrong with a first gen dual core? Second gen demo won't even go to manufacturers til Q4 2011, which is barely RIGHT NOW. Product development can't even start til RIGHT NOW...Check if you wish. For those who are bashing already, might want to check your facts before posting...SE is already onboard with Qualcomm, so they're using whatever resource Qualcomm give them (Please, don't bring in the argument of the PS Vita, up until this point, they were separate companies)
They will use scorpio cpu.
Posted by nikos_se
Firstly, if they knew that they couldnt use krait,and they had to use scorpion,they should had moved to ti omap 4-series or tegra3 ,which is better than dual-core scorpion.Plus,lets see what the competition will use for their smartphones.I suspect that HTC will come with dual-core krait,before the end of Q1.Even if krait started sampling in Nov '11,there're still 5 months to go until March '12,which is usually the timeframe SE launches products.I'd rather see a device being pushed back a month or so,and be as good as competition,than been stuck with last-gen processors for the rest of the year.Anyone care to argue??
Posted by DACHA
On 2011-11-22 00:57:59, nikos_se wrote:
Firstly, if they knew that they couldnt use krait,and they had to use scorpion,they should had moved to ti omap 4-series or tegra3 ,which is better than dual-core scorpion.Plus,lets see what the competition will use for their smartphones.I suspect that HTC will come with dual-core krait,before the end of Q1.Even if krait started sampling in Nov '11,there're still 5 months to go until March '12,which is usually the timeframe SE launches products.I'd rather see a device being pushed back a month or so,and be as good as competition,than been stuck with last-gen processors for the rest of the year.Anyone care to argue??
It was sampled in July
http://androidandme.com/2011/[....]8nm-device-this-calendar-year/
Posted by HxH
On 2011-11-21 23:08:25, kewsvnet wrote:
On 2011-11-20 07:10:49, HxH wrote:
Every Qualcomm Snapdragon chip is based on Cortex A8 Architecture even Krait 28nm, that's why I start do not like them. Old technology Sell Expensive.
While those competitor using Cortex A9 architecture : ST-Ericsson NovaThor / Nvidia Tegra / Samsung Exynos / TI OMAP 4. Look into these benchmark tests , where Qualcomm had been left in dust. And will be even worse in next year because Samsung might goes for Cortex A7 (IMHO - it could be 2013 model because Samsung already announced Exynos 4212 which is manufactured at 32nm already) recently announced and OMAP 5 is Cortex A15 ready!
from what I can see krait only uses the cortex-a8 instruction set...not the architecture! infact its architecture is meant to be better than A9 and probably comparable to A15...and considering it is about the only 28nm chipset available currently...should offer pretty good power efficiency...not to mention its cores are asynchronous so it can switch one off if not needed...the only thing that isnt too great is the GPU! so unless u want hardcore gaming it should offer pretty good performance in my opinion. its not always about the number of cores! and also this should improve power efficiency now all I wish is that
(sony) use LED for screens which would give even better power efficiency...and the new phones should have much better batt life!!!!
Android Authority
The new S4 is based on a completely new architecture called Krait (more like the jump from Cortex A9 to Cortex A15 than the one from Cortex A8 to Cortex A9) that is also manufactured at the smallest processing node so far for ARM chips–28 nm.
AnandTech
Scorpion was Qualcomm's first Snapdragon CPU architecture. At a high level, it looked very much like an optimized ARM Cortex A8 design although the two had nothing in common outside of instruction set.
Qualcomm lengthened Krait's integer pipeline slightly from 10 stages in Scorpion to 11 stages in Krait. Load/store operations tack on another two cycles and instructions that go through the Neon/VFP path further lengthen the pipe. ARM's Cortex A15 design by comparison features a 15-stage integer pipeline. Qualcomm's design does contain more custom logic than ARM's stock A15, which has typically given it a clock speed advantage. The A15's deeper pipeline should give it a clock speed advantage as well. Whether the two effectively cancel each other out remains to be seen.
Thanks for information but Qualcomm had been left in dust according to performance graphs, it already proved by those competitors in the market and I really don't see any battery life advantage by use Qualcomm chip anyway. HTC device is for example, it's barely last a day sometime not!
YES, it will be TOTALLY WRONG because
market competitors will launch their device equipped with S4 chipset following months after Nozomi hit the shelves, lesson never learnt[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 06:51 ]
Posted by randomuser
So as we expected few months back, 2012 will be the same story once again. 2011
learnt from their mistakes in 2010 but why not this year ?
Posted by Karun
From unknown13x
" Bashers will be bashers, living onto rumors Don't even know why I'm wasting my breath to trollers...BTW, that's just from me observing your posts in this SE board. LT26i is NOT Nozomi, you can figure out the rest."
Posted by Dups!
On 2011-11-22 09:49:34, randomuser wrote:
So as we expected few months back, 2012 will be the same story once again. 2011
learnt from their mistakes in 2010 but why not this year ?
Seriously though, this is now water under the bridge and all we can do now is wait for Sony on their own. Bert did actually say that SE will not rush into new technology when there is no guarantee that it will sell so this 'under-powered' Nozomi shouldn't really surprise anybody unless you knew absolutely nothing about SE and their recent strategy.
I would also take this route if I had just bought out my partner as is the case with Sony, unless I can quickly come up with a completely new phone hardware-wise or I had been working on proto before the buyout.
Maybe Sony has something up its sleeves to compete head-on with the SGSIII, who knows? Maybe not, either way we have no choice but to wait until next year.
Posted by motvikt
The biggest problem is SEs fixed release scheme. If krait is not ready until q1, its better to delay their flagship and wait for it to be finished . It was the same last year. Qualcomms dualcore wasnt ready for q1 release then either. SEs release scheme is totally unsynced with qualcomm and thats a big problem
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-11-22 11:40 ]
Posted by HxH
Troll?
I don't know who is he and really don't want to know anyway but this man is simply can't stand with the fact that
has no ambitious to compete in top-tier market any longer by keep release dated hardware to market, how hell he should know today market share is only 2% of the rest mobile manufacturers.
How sad? I would like to see how SONY will sweep out this kind of attitude from their workforce very soon!
Take note at Samsung and what happen with them recently, that is price of use advantage technology.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 11:46 ]
Posted by nikos_se
Recently,i dont like what sony ericsson is doing with the price of their mobile phones.They launched xperia play for 650eur,and it is now been sold for less than 200eur.The same happened with xperia x10,xperia arc,etc.As a customer,i would be offended if i had paid 650eur for a phone,and someone bought a new one,6 months later for less than half the price.Apple isnt doing things like that,that's why everyone buy an iphone even if they know that a newer version is coming,because the value of their device doenst drop significantly.
Posted by kewsvnet
Thanks for information but Qualcomm had been left in dust according to performance graphs, it already proved by those competitors in the market and I really don't see any battery life advantage by use Qualcomm chip anyway. HTC device is for example, it's barely last a day sometime not!
YES, it will be TOTALLY WRONG because
market competitors will launch their device equipped with S4 chipset following months after Nozomi hit the shelves, lesson never learnt
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 06:51 ]
Yeah but those performance graphs showed HTC Sensation which uses the Scorpion Architecture NOT Krait! same with the battery-life! krait uses 28nm chipset so I think we should at least see how krait performs before discrediting it!
Here's to hoping that
does use krait and not scorpion...coz u r right scorpion does not stand a chance against the rest of the competition!
Posted by rog
On 2011-11-22 12:09:25, Karun wrote:
From unknown13x
" Bashers will be bashers, living onto rumors Don't even know why I'm wasting my breath to trollers...BTW, that's just from me observing your posts in this SE board. LT26i is NOT Nozomi, you can figure out the rest."
Lt26i actually is nozomi.
Posted by hhlong89
On 2011-11-22 12:38:15, motvikt wrote:
The biggest problem is SEs fixed release scheme. If krait is not ready until q1, its better to delay their flagship and wait for it to be finished . It was the same last year. Qualcomms dualcore wasnt ready for q1 release then either. SEs release scheme is totally unsynced with qualcomm and thats a big problem
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-11-22 11:40 ]
Sony Ericsson SK19i:
Source: sevodoi.blogspot.com
Posted by HxH
On 2011-11-22 13:19:55, kewsvnet wrote:
Thanks for information but Qualcomm had been left in dust according to performance graphs, it already proved by those competitors in the market and I really don't see any battery life advantage by use Qualcomm chip anyway. HTC device is for example, it's barely last a day sometime not!
YES, it will be TOTALLY WRONG because
market competitors will launch their device equipped with S4 chipset following months after Nozomi hit the shelves, lesson never learnt
Yeah but those performance graphs showed HTC Sensation which uses the Scorpion Architecture NOT Krait! same with the battery-life! krait uses 28nm chipset so I think we should at least see how krait performs before discrediting it!
Here's to hoping that
does use krait and not scorpion...coz u r right scorpion does not stand a chance against the rest of the competition!
Probably you misread me, I did not discredit from Krait 28nm I won't do that but according to these performance graph, Scorpion based on modified Cortex A8 instruction were all lost to those competitors Cortex A9 alone. I have no doubt if Krait 28nm will leave these Cortex A9 in dust but don't forget Tegra 3 / OMAP 5 / Exynos 4212 (rumour quad unit 4412) yet to be arrive mark as SAME YEAR competitors of Krait 28nm. According to your note, it might interesting to see how well Krait 28nm with latest modified instruction will perform against those competitors above but personal I think most likely to be same story.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 14:35 ]
Posted by Dups!
On 2011-11-22 14:46:52, rog wrote:
On 2011-11-22 12:09:25, Karun wrote:
From unknown13x
" Bashers will be bashers, living onto rumors Don't even know why I'm wasting my breath to trollers...BTW, that's just from me observing your posts in this SE board. LT26i is NOT Nozomi, you can figure out the rest."
Lt26i actually is nozomi.
Is it the same one that was recently leaked with the LED strip all around?
Posted by randomuser
SK19i design seems really uninspiring. Reminds me of the Yari
Posted by motvikt
On 2011-11-22 15:31:04, HxH wrote:
On 2011-11-22 13:19:55, kewsvnet wrote:
Thanks for information but Qualcomm had been left in dust according to performance graphs, it already proved by those competitors in the market and I really don't see any battery life advantage by use Qualcomm chip anyway. HTC device is for example, it's barely last a day sometime not!
YES, it will be TOTALLY WRONG because
market competitors will launch their device equipped with S4 chipset following months after Nozomi hit the shelves, lesson never learnt
Yeah but those performance graphs showed HTC Sensation which uses the Scorpion Architecture NOT Krait! same with the battery-life! krait uses 28nm chipset so I think we should at least see how krait performs before discrediting it!
Here's to hoping that
does use krait and not scorpion...coz u r right scorpion does not stand a chance against the rest of the competition!
Probably you misread me, I did not discredit from Krait 28nm I won't do that but according to these performance graph, Scorpion based on modified Cortex A8 instruction were all lost to those competitors Cortex A9 alone. I have no doubt if Krait 28nm will leave these Cortex A9 in dust but don't forget Tegra 3 / OMAP 5 / Exynos 4212 (rumour quad unit 4412) yet to be arrive mark as SAME YEAR competitors of Krait 28nm. According to your note, it might interesting to see how well Krait 28nm with latest modified instruction will perform against those competitors above but personal I think most likely to be same story.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 14:35 ]
Krait and its adreno 225 is still inferior to current exynos and its mali 400...
Posted by HxH
For me, I would reserving my judge for Krait 28nm performance until HTC or hopefully
company has better know how of fully chipset optimization release a phone. Anyway, I expect the same story as already mentioned above!
@DACHA post below!
that's not bold statement but kind of exaggerate claimed!
anyway, what at qHD! sorry pals, in 2012 we'll only talking about HD screen resolution!
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 16:42 ]
Posted by DACHA
Qualcomm claims that MSM8960 will be able to outperform Apple's A5 in GLBenchmark 2.x at qHD resolutions. We'll have to wait until we have shipping devices in hand to really put that claim to the test, but if true it's good news for Krait as the A5 continues to be the high end benchmark for mobile GPU performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/show[....]4-msm8960-krait-architecture/3
Posted by Bonovox
On 2011-11-22 15:14:32, hhlong89 wrote:
On 2011-11-22 12:38:15, motvikt wrote:
The biggest problem is SEs fixed release scheme. If krait is not ready until q1, its better to delay their flagship and wait for it to be finished . It was the same last year. Qualcomms dualcore wasnt ready for q1 release then either. SEs release scheme is totally unsynced with qualcomm and thats a big problem
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-11-22 11:40 ]
Sony Ericsson SK19i:
Source: sevodoi.blogspot.com
Something wrong with that "fake" model. Look at those huge icons out of place on a tiny screen
