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Posted by HxH

On 2011-11-21 23:08:25, kewsvnet wrote:

On 2011-11-20 07:10:49, HxH wrote:
Every Qualcomm Snapdragon chip is based on Cortex A8 Architecture even Krait 28nm, that's why I start do not like them. Old technology Sell Expensive.

While those competitor using Cortex A9 architecture : ST-Ericsson NovaThor / Nvidia Tegra / Samsung Exynos / TI OMAP 4. Look into these benchmark tests , where Qualcomm had been left in dust. And will be even worse in next year because Samsung might goes for Cortex A7 (IMHO - it could be 2013 model because Samsung already announced Exynos 4212 which is manufactured at 32nm already) recently announced and OMAP 5 is Cortex A15 ready!


from what I can see krait only uses the cortex-a8 instruction set...not the architecture! infact its architecture is meant to be better than A9 and probably comparable to A15...and considering it is about the only 28nm chipset available currently...should offer pretty good power efficiency...not to mention its cores are asynchronous so it can switch one off if not needed...the only thing that isnt too great is the GPU! so unless u want hardcore gaming it should offer pretty good performance in my opinion. its not always about the number of cores! and also this should improve power efficiency now all I wish is that (sony) use LED for screens which would give even better power efficiency...and the new phones should have much better batt life!!!!

Android Authority
The new S4 is based on a completely new architecture called Krait (more like the jump from Cortex A9 to Cortex A15 than the one from Cortex A8 to Cortex A9) that is also manufactured at the smallest processing node so far for ARM chips–28 nm.

AnandTech
Scorpion was Qualcomm's first Snapdragon CPU architecture. At a high level, it looked very much like an optimized ARM Cortex A8 design although the two had nothing in common outside of instruction set.

Qualcomm lengthened Krait's integer pipeline slightly from 10 stages in Scorpion to 11 stages in Krait. Load/store operations tack on another two cycles and instructions that go through the Neon/VFP path further lengthen the pipe. ARM's Cortex A15 design by comparison features a 15-stage integer pipeline. Qualcomm's design does contain more custom logic than ARM's stock A15, which has typically given it a clock speed advantage. The A15's deeper pipeline should give it a clock speed advantage as well. Whether the two effectively cancel each other out remains to be seen.


Thanks for information but Qualcomm had been left in dust according to performance graphs, it already proved by those competitors in the market and I really don't see any battery life advantage by use Qualcomm chip anyway. HTC device is for example, it's barely last a day sometime not!

YES, it will be TOTALLY WRONG because market competitors will launch their device equipped with S4 chipset following months after Nozomi hit the shelves, lesson never learnt
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 06:51 ]



Posted by randomuser
So as we expected few months back, 2012 will be the same story once again. 2011 learnt from their mistakes in 2010 but why not this year ?

Posted by Karun
From unknown13x

" Bashers will be bashers, living onto rumors Don't even know why I'm wasting my breath to trollers...BTW, that's just from me observing your posts in this SE board. LT26i is NOT Nozomi, you can figure out the rest."

Posted by Dups!

On 2011-11-22 09:49:34, randomuser wrote:
So as we expected few months back, 2012 will be the same story once again. 2011 learnt from their mistakes in 2010 but why not this year ?


Seriously though, this is now water under the bridge and all we can do now is wait for Sony on their own. Bert did actually say that SE will not rush into new technology when there is no guarantee that it will sell so this 'under-powered' Nozomi shouldn't really surprise anybody unless you knew absolutely nothing about SE and their recent strategy.

I would also take this route if I had just bought out my partner as is the case with Sony, unless I can quickly come up with a completely new phone hardware-wise or I had been working on proto before the buyout.

Maybe Sony has something up its sleeves to compete head-on with the SGSIII, who knows? Maybe not, either way we have no choice but to wait until next year.

Posted by motvikt
The biggest problem is SEs fixed release scheme. If krait is not ready until q1, its better to delay their flagship and wait for it to be finished . It was the same last year. Qualcomms dualcore wasnt ready for q1 release then either. SEs release scheme is totally unsynced with qualcomm and thats a big problem
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-11-22 11:40 ]


Posted by HxH
Troll?

I don't know who is he and really don't want to know anyway but this man is simply can't stand with the fact that has no ambitious to compete in top-tier market any longer by keep release dated hardware to market, how hell he should know today market share is only 2% of the rest mobile manufacturers.

How sad? I would like to see how SONY will sweep out this kind of attitude from their workforce very soon!

Take note at Samsung and what happen with them recently, that is price of use advantage technology.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 11:46 ]


Posted by nikos_se
Recently,i dont like what sony ericsson is doing with the price of their mobile phones.They launched xperia play for 650eur,and it is now been sold for less than 200eur.The same happened with xperia x10,xperia arc,etc.As a customer,i would be offended if i had paid 650eur for a phone,and someone bought a new one,6 months later for less than half the price.Apple isnt doing things like that,that's why everyone buy an iphone even if they know that a newer version is coming,because the value of their device doenst drop significantly.

Posted by kewsvnet

Thanks for information but Qualcomm had been left in dust according to performance graphs, it already proved by those competitors in the market and I really don't see any battery life advantage by use Qualcomm chip anyway. HTC device is for example, it's barely last a day sometime not!

YES, it will be TOTALLY WRONG because market competitors will launch their device equipped with S4 chipset following months after Nozomi hit the shelves, lesson never learnt
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 06:51 ]



Yeah but those performance graphs showed HTC Sensation which uses the Scorpion Architecture NOT Krait! same with the battery-life! krait uses 28nm chipset so I think we should at least see how krait performs before discrediting it!

Here's to hoping that does use krait and not scorpion...coz u r right scorpion does not stand a chance against the rest of the competition!

Posted by rog

On 2011-11-22 12:09:25, Karun wrote:
From unknown13x

" Bashers will be bashers, living onto rumors Don't even know why I'm wasting my breath to trollers...BTW, that's just from me observing your posts in this SE board. LT26i is NOT Nozomi, you can figure out the rest."



Lt26i actually is nozomi.

Posted by hhlong89

On 2011-11-22 12:38:15, motvikt wrote:
The biggest problem is SEs fixed release scheme. If krait is not ready until q1, its better to delay their flagship and wait for it to be finished . It was the same last year. Qualcomms dualcore wasnt ready for q1 release then either. SEs release scheme is totally unsynced with qualcomm and thats a big problem
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-11-22 11:40 ]



Sony Ericsson SK19i:



Source: sevodoi.blogspot.com

Posted by HxH

On 2011-11-22 13:19:55, kewsvnet wrote:

Thanks for information but Qualcomm had been left in dust according to performance graphs, it already proved by those competitors in the market and I really don't see any battery life advantage by use Qualcomm chip anyway. HTC device is for example, it's barely last a day sometime not!

YES, it will be TOTALLY WRONG because market competitors will launch their device equipped with S4 chipset following months after Nozomi hit the shelves, lesson never learnt



Yeah but those performance graphs showed HTC Sensation which uses the Scorpion Architecture NOT Krait! same with the battery-life! krait uses 28nm chipset so I think we should at least see how krait performs before discrediting it!

Here's to hoping that does use krait and not scorpion...coz u r right scorpion does not stand a chance against the rest of the competition!



Probably you misread me, I did not discredit from Krait 28nm I won't do that but according to these performance graph, Scorpion based on modified Cortex A8 instruction were all lost to those competitors Cortex A9 alone. I have no doubt if Krait 28nm will leave these Cortex A9 in dust but don't forget Tegra 3 / OMAP 5 / Exynos 4212 (rumour quad unit 4412) yet to be arrive mark as SAME YEAR competitors of Krait 28nm. According to your note, it might interesting to see how well Krait 28nm with latest modified instruction will perform against those competitors above but personal I think most likely to be same story.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 14:35 ]


Posted by Dups!

On 2011-11-22 14:46:52, rog wrote:

On 2011-11-22 12:09:25, Karun wrote:
From unknown13x

" Bashers will be bashers, living onto rumors Don't even know why I'm wasting my breath to trollers...BTW, that's just from me observing your posts in this SE board. LT26i is NOT Nozomi, you can figure out the rest."



Lt26i actually is nozomi.



Is it the same one that was recently leaked with the LED strip all around?

Posted by randomuser
SK19i design seems really uninspiring. Reminds me of the Yari

Posted by motvikt

On 2011-11-22 15:31:04, HxH wrote:

On 2011-11-22 13:19:55, kewsvnet wrote:

Thanks for information but Qualcomm had been left in dust according to performance graphs, it already proved by those competitors in the market and I really don't see any battery life advantage by use Qualcomm chip anyway. HTC device is for example, it's barely last a day sometime not!

YES, it will be TOTALLY WRONG because market competitors will launch their device equipped with S4 chipset following months after Nozomi hit the shelves, lesson never learnt



Yeah but those performance graphs showed HTC Sensation which uses the Scorpion Architecture NOT Krait! same with the battery-life! krait uses 28nm chipset so I think we should at least see how krait performs before discrediting it!

Here's to hoping that does use krait and not scorpion...coz u r right scorpion does not stand a chance against the rest of the competition!



Probably you misread me, I did not discredit from Krait 28nm I won't do that but according to these performance graph, Scorpion based on modified Cortex A8 instruction were all lost to those competitors Cortex A9 alone. I have no doubt if Krait 28nm will leave these Cortex A9 in dust but don't forget Tegra 3 / OMAP 5 / Exynos 4212 (rumour quad unit 4412) yet to be arrive mark as SAME YEAR competitors of Krait 28nm. According to your note, it might interesting to see how well Krait 28nm with latest modified instruction will perform against those competitors above but personal I think most likely to be same story.
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 14:35 ]



Krait and its adreno 225 is still inferior to current exynos and its mali 400...



Posted by HxH
For me, I would reserving my judge for Krait 28nm performance until HTC or hopefully company has better know how of fully chipset optimization release a phone. Anyway, I expect the same story as already mentioned above!

@DACHA post below!
that's not bold statement but kind of exaggerate claimed!

anyway, what at qHD! sorry pals, in 2012 we'll only talking about HD screen resolution!
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-22 16:42 ]


Posted by DACHA
Qualcomm claims that MSM8960 will be able to outperform Apple's A5 in GLBenchmark 2.x at qHD resolutions. We'll have to wait until we have shipping devices in hand to really put that claim to the test, but if true it's good news for Krait as the A5 continues to be the high end benchmark for mobile GPU performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/show[....]4-msm8960-krait-architecture/3

Posted by Bonovox

On 2011-11-22 15:14:32, hhlong89 wrote:

On 2011-11-22 12:38:15, motvikt wrote:
The biggest problem is SEs fixed release scheme. If krait is not ready until q1, its better to delay their flagship and wait for it to be finished . It was the same last year. Qualcomms dualcore wasnt ready for q1 release then either. SEs release scheme is totally unsynced with qualcomm and thats a big problem
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-11-22 11:40 ]



Sony Ericsson SK19i:



Source: sevodoi.blogspot.com


Something wrong with that "fake" model. Look at those huge icons out of place on a tiny screen

Posted by Karun

On 2011-11-22 14:46:52, rog wrote:

On 2011-11-22 12:09:25, Karun wrote:
From unknown13x

" Bashers will be bashers, living onto rumors Don't even know why I'm wasting my breath to trollers...BTW, that's just from me observing your posts in this SE board. LT26i is NOT Nozomi, you can figure out the rest."



Lt26i actually is nozomi.



So is Lt28i a superior device?

Posted by adsada
It's not fake, someone got their hands on a developer unit on xda and attempted to flash another firmware onto it, if someone went to all that effort to make a fake, they'd surely sort out the resolution, its the SK19i that was for the American market and was cancelled a couple months back. Not disappointed though because that device is ugly.
[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2011-11-22 23:53 ]


Posted by Bonovox
Oh ok fair enough it just looked all wrong on the screen that's all

Posted by DACHA

On 2011-11-22 19:40:25, Karun wrote:

On 2011-11-22 14:46:52, rog wrote:

On 2011-11-22 12:09:25, Karun wrote:
From unknown13x

" Bashers will be bashers, living onto rumors Don't even know why I'm wasting my breath to trollers...BTW, that's just from me observing your posts in this SE board. LT26i is NOT Nozomi, you can figure out the rest."



Lt26i actually is nozomi.



So is Lt28i a superior device?



It may be superior in some ways but it will most likely have the same processor as the LT26i. Just like the Neo and Arc did before the ARC S came out.

Posted by motvikt
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]icsson-novathor-u8500-chipset/

Shame its a qhd screen though.

God I have missed xperiablog. Keep the rumors coming!

Posted by HxH

On 2011-11-22 21:27:59, motvikt wrote:
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]icsson-novathor-u8500-chipset/

Shame its a qhd screen though.

God I have missed xperiablog. Keep the rumors coming!


Hooray!!! finally see light of the day!

Posted by adsada
An interview with Pierre Perron, Head of Sony Ericsson UK and Ireland:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/mob[....]guardian-mbs2011?newsfeed=true
[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2011-11-22 23:59 ]


Posted by nikos_se
I only wish it would go something like this:

1.LT22->NOVATHOR u8500.

2.LT26->DUAL-CORE SCORPION OR KRAIT.

3.LT28->NOVATHOR U9540 or U9600.

+Why is sony ericsson going to use u8500 and not u9500,which has gone sampling since Q2 this year?

+All xperia phones this year topped xperia x10(the previous year flagship) in cpu/gpu/ram.Do you think something similar is going to happen in 2012??Like all xperia 2012 models going with dual-core processors?
[ This Message was edited by: nikos_se on 2011-11-22 23:29 ]


Posted by lolstebbo

On 2011-11-23 00:23:53, nikos_se wrote:
I only wish it would go something like this:

1.LT22->NOVATHOR u8500.

2.LT26->DUAL-CORE SCORPION OR KRAIT.

3.LT28->NOVATHOR U9540 or U9600.

+Why is sony ericsson going to use u8500 and not u9500,which has gone sampling since Q2 this year?

+All xperia phones this year topped xperia x10(the previous year flagship) in cpu/gpu/ram.Do you think something similar is going to happen in 2012??Like all xperia 2012 models going with dual-core processors?
[ This Message was edited by: nikos_se on 2011-11-22 23:29 ]



I wish it wouldn't; all the 2011 phones being on the same chipset/processor combo is what's helping SE handle software updates better (along with now having one of the least-customized versions of Android).


Posted by nikos_se
Well,if they want they can use only novathor chipsets

However,i dont think that it will be terribly hard to develop on 2 platforms on the same time,after all they're supposed to adapt and evolve their smartphone bussiness.And from the leaks,it looks like they re doing so!!At least,they can do it the right way.(choosing better processors)

Posted by Ricky D
I thought the LT28 was only LT28at hence probably an AT&T model of the LT26i with maybe a bump in one or two features. Similar to the LT18i > LT15i only in the processor being a minor upgrade of the predecessor.

Posted by lolstebbo

On 2011-11-23 01:28:28, nikos_se wrote:
Well,if they want they can use only novathor chipsets

However,i dont think that it will be terribly hard to develop on 2 platforms on the same time,after all they're supposed to adapt and evolve their smartphone bussiness.And from the leaks,it looks like they re doing so!!At least,they can do it the right way.(choosing better processors)


Well, considering how much difficulty they had with the X10 and the minis in 2010...

The thing is, we don't know yet how invested Sony will ultimately be, but, IMO, it's fair to assume that, as SE transitions into just being Sony, the team isn't going to be expanding immediately. They're already going to have to continue developing updates for the carry-over 2011 phones while they continue to work on the 2012 and future phones, and I question how well they can handle that currently based on their track record.

However, it is true that if Sony is truly fully committed to their phone business that at some point they're going to have to make their high-end phones as relatively competitive as their mid-range and low-end phones are.

Posted by SE cz
UA profile of LT26i disappeared

http://www.sonyericsson.com/5761/UAProf/LT26iR601.xml

Posted by wiraperkasa
sony ericsson Nypon

http://www.slashgear.com/sony[....]oid-smartphone-leaks-23197595/

edit:owh..has been post before..pardon me
[ This Message was edited by: wiraperkasa on 2011-11-23 15:30 ]


Posted by Ricky D
@SE cz it's not unusual for SE to remove the profile once they realise they've prematurely loaded it up, it's happened before. What I don't understand is how they can let these things out accidentally so many times. Makes me think they're maybe panned leaks.

Posted by SE cz

On 2011-11-23 16:48:10, Ricky D wrote:
@SE cz it's not unusual for SE to remove the profile once they realise they've prematurely loaded it up, it's happened before. What I don't understand is how they can let these things out accidentally so many times. Makes me think they're maybe panned leaks.



Well, I newer saw before that they removed some profile, maybe some minor changes will happen (maybe not). And I know U do not understand how they can let it out, but there is not so much info about new phone, it's really basic. I think the real problem is with leaked pics of upcomming phones, but maybe it is just SE strategy (as said many times).

Posted by goldenface

On 2011-11-23 16:29:19, wiraperkasa wrote:
sony ericsson Nypon

http://www.slashgear.com/sony[....]oid-smartphone-leaks-23197595/



Apparently, this is not an actual phone but a dev platform.

Posted by >500

On 2011-11-24 02:01:38, goldenface wrote:

On 2011-11-23 16:29:19, wiraperkasa wrote:
sony ericsson Nypon

http://www.slashgear.com/sony[....]oid-smartphone-leaks-23197595/



Apparently, this is not an actual phone but a dev platform.



Note what seems to be a set of SE earphones in one of the videos, besides the phone. Could mean nothing at all but just thought id point it out...

Posted by laffen
All these claimed Sony Ericsson YouTube video leaks are actually video of the ST Ericsson development platform. Has nothing to do with Sony Ericsson. You can check out the entire portfolio of videos at the ST-Ericsson YouTube channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/STEricssonVideos

Posted by smclion102
SE Italy says Android 4.0 ICS coming to Xperia devices by March 2012

Now that Sony Ericsson has confirmed Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS) will arrive on all 2011 Xperia models, the attention turns to timing. Well according to Maurizio De Palma, Sony Ericsson Italy’s Head of Marketing, the update will arrive by March 2012 according to a Facebook posting.

If Sony Ericsson sticks to launching their Xperia flagships in March (like they have done for the last two years), then this date would surprise us.

Call us cynical, but there is no way Sony Ericsson would release the Android 4.0 update prior to the release of its new models. If I was in charge of Sony Ericsson, I know I certainly wouldn’t. It would risk deflating sales of the upcoming models and give much less incentive to upgrade. That means one of two things, 1) either the ICS update will launch after March or 2) next year’s Xperia models will launch earlier than March. Of course, Sony Ericsson could surprise us and release new models/software at the same time, but we just don’t see that happening.

Via
Xperiablog
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2011-11-25 16:04 ]


Posted by smclion102
Sony Ericsson LT26i and LT28i appear in AnTuTu benchmark

Sony Ericsson LT26i AnTuTu Benchmark


Sony Ericsson LT28i AnTuTu Benchmark




The phones recently tested are now running Android 2.3.7, previously it was 2.3.5. Therefore you would imagine that these are more recent prototypes.

Despite this, the numbers leave us somewhat perplexed. The LT26i scores 6365 in the benchmark with the CPU speed listed as 1.5GHz, whilst the LT28i scores 2443 and CPU speed listed as 1GHz. We have already heard that the Nozomi will be coming with a dual-core 1.5GHz chip, so this information appears to correlate with that. However, that last we heard of the Aoba, it was also meant to sport a 1.5GHz dual-core chip. Yet in this benchmark test, the CPU speed is listed as 1GHz.

Via
Xperiablog
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2011-11-25 18:12 ]


Posted by Karun
Hmm. This is interesting. Different processors.

Posted by razec

On 2011-11-26 05:06:47, Karun wrote:
Hmm. This is interesting. Different processors.



or it might be the same chip with different clock speed, but judging by the scores LT26i has twice the scores of LT28 so the latter might be using a single core, single GPU SoC chip.

i wonder what was that "nypon" prototype model being shown at GSMArena, i think it's not a prototype or sony model

Posted by Dups!

On 2011-11-26 05:13:54, razec wrote:


...

i wonder what was that "nypon" prototype model being shown at GSMArena, i think it's not a prototype or sony model



I have actually been thinking that since the day it was leaked.

Hmmm... let me dream for a second: perhaps it is an Ericsson prototype.

Posted by mediar
^^


On 2011-11-24 04:57:19, laffen wrote:
All these claimed Sony Ericsson YouTube video leaks are actually video of the ST Ericsson development platform. Has nothing to do with Sony Ericsson. You can check out the entire portfolio of videos at the ST-Ericsson YouTube channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/STEricssonVideos


Posted by Dups!
... and I wrote that I was dreaming for a second.

Posted by smclion102
Sony Ericsson France CEO talks 2012 strategy; + SONY WINDOWS PHONE..

David Mignot, CEO of Sony Ericsson France, Belgium and Luxembourg attended a round table event with the French media and talked about strategy in 2012. He talked about convergence of screens being a big theme in 2012, especially now that Sony has acquired Ericsson’s stake in the joint venture.

Transferring content from one screen to another (smartphone, tablet, TV, PC) thanks to wireless technology was talked about and demonstrated. The ideal scenario is one where, for example, you could start watching video content on your TV at home and then continue where you left off on your Xperia smartphone or Sony tablet. We imagine that the Sony Entertainment Network and PlayStation Network will play a big part in this content convergence.

We are talking to Microsoft and if it is consistent to launch Windows Phone devices, we will.

via
Xperiablog

http://www.silicon.fr/sony-er[....]st-mort%C2%A0%C2%BB-65881.html

Posted by Bonovox
Wow interesting!! I think Sewell as Android a WP device from SE would be nice and a far cry from what the Aspen and Xperia X1 etc was.

Posted by Karun
Is the nozomi slated to be powered by the same processor as the sensation XE? Unimpressive real life performance as compared to competition

Posted by randomuser

On 2011-11-28 06:53:09, Karun wrote:
Is the nozomi slated to be powered by the same processor as the sensation XE? Unimpressive real life performance as compared to competition



According to all leaks so far.... yes!

Posted by smclion102
Sony employee claims Android 4.0 Xperia update coming 1st week of Jan 2012

A Sony employee in South East Asia is claiming that the official Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich for Xperia handsets is due in the first week of January 2012. This goes against last week’s news, where SE Italy said that it will be coming by March 2012. Siddharth Sai G, the Sony employee, said he’s confused by that March date, but reconfirmed that some are saying to him it is scheduled for January.

He revealed the information in a number of tweets, including the fact that the update will be a “skinless”version of ICS, with no “OEM themed release” planned . If true, could this mean SE will be using a close-to-stock version of ICS? We think it’s unlikely but SE has already made great steps this year not to bog down Android for the 2011 devices which has meant fast updates from the manufacturer. See the timeline of tweets below, however take any rumoured date with a pinch of salt.

Via
Xperiablog

Posted by Legen
Loving the new sonyericsson behaviour. My return to their phones is looking more likely! On a serious note, its really nice to see them stepping up. This means their phones can have a greater shelf life.
Hope January is the release date of the ICS update. Isn't March a bit late?

Posted by HxH
As long as unique Timescape integrated into ICS with some great enhances, its worthy waiting!
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-29 06:02 ]



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