Posted by motvikt
On 2011-11-09 11:05:52, argiriano wrote:
On 2011-11-08 17:42:09, DACHA wrote:
When
was using Sony technology like cyber-shot and Walkman in their phones that is where they made the most profits. After 2008 they stopped to make good cyber-shot or Walkman phones and lost a lot of market. Hopefully now that Sony is in charge they will use more of the old proven technologies from Sony in the new Sony phones.
It may well be the other way around - Sony don`t want to make phone which will eat their point and shoot cameras share... just like Play shouldn't be a treat to PSP. Sony doesn't realize that others make big improvements in all departments, 'cause they already know that smartphone market is the most profitable nowadays. Samsung make SGS with no fear of this kind, even though they have camera devices too... they just implement all their best technologies in it and the result - millions sold. Samsung loosing big money in TV too, even though they sold more TV's than Sony, but that doesn`t stop them to use best screen tech in smartphones. Did you see the difference?
HTC strike a deal with Beats Audio, make improvements in camera department too, using latest hardware and develop devices twice as fast as
... ect.
Apple take the same Sony camera sensor and put better lenses in front of it, implement better software and the result is - lighting fast camera with pictures way much better than Arc.
Why
didn`t use:
- Sony OLED screens
- supreme Sony music technologies they have in Walkman products
- Carl Ziess lenses and software they have in Cyber-shot cameras
- cutting edge hardware (I`m sure if they wanted they would have had ST-Ericsson chips first and for less money than any other manufacturer just because Ericsson)
So why?
Politics. No, wrong politics. That`s why.
It will be very sad, when they do realize now that smartphone is the only way to be successful nowadays, and in the same time don`t put every best bit they have in it.
So I hope Sony will came up with some stunning device at the end of 2012 - a real flagship... or they will fail badly. Believe me. So fingers crossed.
Exactly, and sadly I dont see this changing now when Sony is in charge. Lol, them having to much power was the problem to begin with
Posted by hydro-
What I want to know is, if we buy these Sony Ericsson phones now, will Sony keep us updated on the software front, or will they keep their focus on their own phones......
Posted by Detox
I don't think Sony is quite so stubborn that they would cut off their nose to spite their face.
Posted by SEC905
http://www.eisa.eu/award/52/european-camera-phone-2011-2012.html
Posted by pawfyd
On 2011-11-09 15:39:40, SEC905 wrote:
http://www.eisa.eu/award/52/european-camera-phone-2011-2012.html
Old news.
Posted by goldenface
A little bird tells me that the screen of 'Nozomi' will have the same matt screen as the Vaio Z series.
"The matte screens give you excellent horizontal and vertical viewing angles with vivid colors and deep blacks that are underlined by an extremely bright LED backlight giving you a perfectly readable screen regardless of your position."
akihabaranews Z Series Review
Posted by motvikt
On 2011-11-09 21:36:22, goldenface wrote:
A little bird tells me that the screen of 'Nozomi' will have the same matt screen as the Vaio Z series.
"The matte screens give you excellent horizontal and vertical viewing angles with vivid colors and deep blacks that are underlined by an extremely bright LED backlight giving you a perfectly readable screen regardless of your position."
akihabaranews Z Series Review
Woah! Very nice! The vaio Z screen is awesome
Posted by moogoo
woo hoo.. that would be very nice indeed. i'd also settle for the same gorgeous OLED screen as the walkman Z
Posted by smclion102
Nozomi announcement during CES 2012 -unknown13x
via
XDA
Posted by razec
Now that we have info/leaks on Nozomi where's Aoba? Sony couldn't just cancel it if it have similar HW as Nozomi
Posted by randomuser
On 2011-11-09 23:12:27, moogoo wrote:
woo hoo.. that would be very nice indeed. i'd also settle for the same gorgeous OLED screen as the walkman Z
Walkman Z has a 4.3 inch TFT LCD screen and not OLED. But yes is is indeed gorgeous and OLED like.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2011-11-10 07:08 ]
Posted by goldenface
I have received an official email invite from Sony Ericsson asking me if I would like to go down to their HQ in Hammersmith and take part in a Q&A on how to further develop the Xperia Play.
Now, why would they send this out if the Xperia Play 2 was cancelled.
Posted by Angello
@ goldenface
whatever it is. I would go...
Posted by argiriano
On 2011-11-10 09:31:52, goldenface wrote:
I have received an official email invite from Sony Ericsson asking me if I would like to go down to their HQ in Hammersmith and take part in a Q&A on how to further develop the Xperia Play.
Now, why would they send this out if the Xperia Play 2 was cancelled.
Well if they just start to think how to develop it, it look like it is canceled after all.
Go there and say what we all think right here - all their best components and technologies in one device, plus replaceable QWERTY/Gamepad. It will be huge success in US market too, and that what Sony wants didn`t they.
Posted by cableguy
More Sony influence on SE as the Arc and Acro in Japan get playstation certified.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/[....]ria-arc-get-playstation-certi/
Posted by Ricky D
@goldenface
It's because the Play 2 that SE was working on was cancelled and Sony have ordered a redesign/redevelopment of the project.
(if you're collecting opinions:) I think Play 2 should have a bigger screen, best available CPU/RAM/battery. Aesthetics should be secondary to being an actual gaming device i.e. ditch the touch pad areas for proper analogue sticks even if it means the phone is a little bit uglier. If they're going to start dishing Playstation certified for non Sony family devices (as suggested) they need to make sure they're the top of their own game.
Posted by motvikt
I think the play2 is canceled and they wanna make the play live longer. The problem is that mobile gaming will take over. In time it will probably take over consoles also, just imagine plugging your phone into the tv and use a wireless controller. It will happen only in a few years from now, maybe even starting next year.
Sony is betting on the wrong horse. They should cancel Vita, it will be a huge flop, and instead invest in mobile gaming, the future. But they wont, they will try to battle iphone and android gaming hard as they always do when a new thing comes (like mp3). When you see the speed in which mobile handsets evolve, play3 would already be better than Vita and probably have better looking games and bigger ecosystem also. PSP and nintendo DS was made for a market that doesnt exist anymore, just look at the recent DS sales, iphone is totally taking over.
Its a shame, SE and Sony really had a great chance here. Taking the lead in handheld gaming. Instead Samsung or Apple will take the market from them. Maybe even microsoft, rumors about next xbox running on ARM and having tight mobile integration http://msnerd.tumblr.com/
http://www.theverge.com/2011/[....]hare-of-mobile-gaming-revenues
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Posted by moogoo
On 2011-11-10 08:07:43, randomuser wrote:
On 2011-11-09 23:12:27, moogoo wrote:
woo hoo.. that would be very nice indeed. i'd also settle for the same gorgeous OLED screen as the walkman Z
Walkman Z has a 4.3 inch TFT LCD screen and not OLED. But yes is is indeed gorgeous and OLED like.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2011-11-10 07:08 ]
Oops. i was thinking of the older walkman X. Shame they didn't keep the OLED going into the walkman Z. I'm not overly concerned which one it is, as long as it looks gorgeous (and Sony/SE have rarely disappointed on this point).
Posted by koss
Right now ipnone 4s is the king in smartphone mobile phone camera quality. I don't include here Nokia N8 becouse is software dead and has multiple hardware manufactures problems.
I am not a fan of apple brand but I recongnize that photos taken with iphone 4s are 5stars
like I said .. iphone is the best cameraphone today http://www.gsmarena.com/8mp_shootout_2011-review-673.php.
Second place is samsung galaxy s II.
Xperia Arc is in other category...
Even last sony tablets are a disaster in camera performances... even if they have 5 MP cameras..
Also I heard that next year sony will came on market with only 3 new phones only.
Sony will never learn from mistakes... so will have a pink future if they will do so..
[ This Message was edited by: koss on 2011-11-10 20:37 ]
Posted by yuunanase
On 2011-11-10 21:35:32, koss wrote:
Right now ipnone 4s is the king in smartphone mobile phone camera quality. I don't include here Nokia N8 becouse is software dead and has multiple hardware manufactures problems.
I am not a fan of apple brand but I recongnize that photos taken with iphone 4s are 5stars
like I said .. iphone is the best cameraphone today http://www.gsmarena.com/8mp_shootout_2011-review-673.php.
Second place is samsung galaxy s II.
Xperia Arc is in other category...
Even last sony tablets are a disaster in camera performances... even if they have 5 MP cameras..
Also I heard that next year sony will came on market with only 3 new phones only.
Sony will never learn from mistakes... so will have a pink future if they will do so..
[ This Message was edited by: koss on 2011-11-10 20:37 ]
There will be at least 5 phones next year
Posted by randomuser
On 2011-11-10 21:35:32, koss wrote:
Right now ipnone 4s is the king in smartphone mobile phone camera quality. I don't include here Nokia N8 becouse is software dead and has multiple hardware manufactures problems.
I am not a fan of apple brand but I recongnize that photos taken with iphone 4s are 5stars
like I said .. iphone is the best cameraphone today http://www.gsmarena.com/8mp_shootout_2011-review-673.php.
Second place is samsung galaxy s II.
Xperia Arc is in other category...
Even last sony tablets are a disaster in camera performances... even if they have 5 MP cameras..
Also I heard that next year sony will came on market with only 3 new phones only.
Sony will never learn from mistakes... so will have a pink future if they will do so..
[ This Message was edited by: koss on 2011-11-10 20:37 ]
Tablets are not meant to have great cameras. Nonetheless the Tablet S camera is the best camera on a tablet currentlly, by far. And this has been mentioned by every single review on the tablet that its camera is far superior to the competition.
Posted by Karun
The HTC ville will launch at MWC and will run on the 1.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon Series 4 (Krait) dual core processor. Perhaps we'll see the same in Nozomi?
Posted by Ricky D
On 2011-11-11 05:08:22, Karun wrote:
The HTC ville will launch at MWC and will run on the 1.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon Series 4 (Krait) dual core processor. Perhaps we'll see the same in Nozomi?
Don't hold your breath.
Posted by argiriano
On 2011-11-10 21:35:32, koss wrote:
Also I heard that next year sony will came on market with only 3 new phones only.
Oh come on, only devices in development has to be 3 or even more... we may suggest couple of
devices in H1 2012 and I`m sure there will be another bunch of devices in H2 2012 developed by Sony in house.
Posted by smclion102
Sony's CEO is ready to launch a four-screen platform
Sony's ability to pull its four screens (phones, tablets, PCs, TVs) together with network services like Video Unlimited and Music Unlimited .
Sony has finally begun to acknowledge its weaknesses in software and providing a uniform user experience, we'll probably find out more about how it plans to turn that around at CES 2012 in January.
Posted by goldenface
CES is going to be one hell of an event this time around, I can't wait.
So it sounds like there will be at least 5 devices from Sony / Sony Ericsson this year with no low-end entries?
Posted by smclion102
On 2011-11-11 12:30:03, goldenface wrote:
CES is going to be one hell of an event this time around, I can't wait.
So it sounds like there will be at least 5 devices from Sony / Sony Ericsson this year with no low-end entries?
All High end ??
or
You Mean RAY and ARC Type Phones? and No Mini/mini Pro type Phones??
Your Source?? for 5 sony devices ??
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Posted by yuunanase
Nope, so far, it seems that the prices for the new devices are evenly spread. On the top of the chain, its nozomi and aoba
Posted by Dups!
What of SE is Sony doing away with?
We know the logo is staying put until the transition is completed around next late next year. What about the Xperia trade name and the Timescape UI?
Would be interesting to find out where they stand on those.
Posted by Ricky D
So is Nozomi the natural successor to Arc and Aoba to Neo?
Going on the names alone I'd have put them the other way around (Arc => Aoba and Nozomi => Neo).
I'd like to see Sony keep the Xperia name for their mobile division, but I wouldn't bet on it, I would guess we can expect an entire rewrite with somethings going sooner than others.
Posted by adsada
The SE UK facebook page currently have someone answering questions, could be an opportunity to ask about the transition, or any phone issues you have
Posted by Dups!
On 2011-11-11 14:37:47, adsada wrote:
The SE UK facebook page currently have someone answering questions, could be an opportunity to ask about the transition, or any phone issues you have
I thought of asking but then realised that I will not get the answers to my questions. I am not going to enquire about a 'dead' SE but looking for answers regarding the future.
She'll most probably tell me to wait for next year.
This is good for those who are still needing info on SE.
Posted by Dups!
On 2011-11-11 14:20:29, Ricky D wrote:
So is Nozomi the natural successor to Arc and Aoba to Neo?
Going on the names alone I'd have put them the other way around (Arc => Aoba and Nozomi => Neo).
I'd like to see Sony keep the Xperia name for their mobile division, but I wouldn't bet on it, I would guess we can expect an entire rewrite with somethings going sooner than others.
I'd also love for Sony to keep the Xperia name, would also be very nice for them to keep the UI cause it has evolved into one excellent UI IMO.
I suspect they may actually keep the Xperia name if closing the Xperia blog is any indication.
Posted by aurelius
I'm pretty sure we will se 1 or 2 SE phones with ST-Ericsson SoC under the hood! They would mainly be midrange dual core phones.
Posted by Dups!
Sony should buy WebOS. I can see possibilties there.
Relying on Google too much can never be a good thing in the long term.
I know their revenues have been taking a hit for years but this is an investment worth risking a few million dollars on.
Posted by HxH
On 2011-11-11 18:24:32, Dups! wrote:
Sony should buy WebOS. I can see possibilties there.
Relying on Google too much can never be a good thing in the long term.
I know their revenues have been taking a hit for years but this is an investment worth risking a few million dollars on.
I think SONY would love to but they had a heavily lost and buy out 50% in
so it not really soon.
On 2011-11-11 16:43:41, aurelius wrote:
I'm pretty sure we will se 1 or 2 SE phones with ST-Ericsson SoC under the hood! They would mainly be midrange dual core phones.
I think It will be a reasonable device but not most powerful among general dual core competitors, possibly a stop-gap dual core while waiting for real SONY device, I hope
will optimized them in style![ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-11 18:06 ]
Posted by moogoo
buying webOS would be a poor investment. webOS is a great platform, but it has very little developer support. android is alive and growing because google made it easy and accessible for developers to create apps. I would never get a webOS phone simply cause there aren't many apps for it.
i think sony should stick with android. modify it however to make the user experience even better or just LOOK better (though ICS looks pretty nice as is...). I would prefer sony spent their time and money coming up with ways to pack in the best hardware into the sexiest looking housing. I'd be happy with a vanilla ICS on a sexy sony phone with blazing speed, a rockin screen, and a camera that made regular P&S's cry.
Posted by Ricky D
Sony will stick with android. They've already spent a lot of time developing android into their devices and the flexibility of it is unparalleled in the mobile OS world. There is no need for Sony to start to confuse it's customers by offering several OS options when they're trying to create a uniform platform/interface/experience that spans all their products.
On a side note:
Is the 2012 thread due soon? It's usually about now it's getting prepared, no?
Posted by randomuser
What will be the title ? SONY 2012 portfolio or SonyEricsson/SONY 2012 portfolio ?
Posted by Dups!
On 2011-11-12 09:03:00, randomuser wrote:
What will be the title ? SONY 2012 portfolio or SonyEricsson/SONY 2012 portfolio ?
I suppose the Sony Ericsson/ Sony 2012 portfolio would be more appropriate for the whole of 2013.
As for Sony buying webOS,I personally feel they would do themselves a lot of good. Sure, there are not many apps for the OS but with Sony's wealth of experience and sub-brands they could find a solid solution to the problem.
Of course, their recent record is suspicious but I am sure they could do it with enough effort.
Android is going to reach a point of oversaturation and with too many players it will be extremely tough for Sony that is essentially 'starting out'. They need their own os IMO.
I remember Bert saying if SE had the money they would buy webOS, well, Sony can raise that money even in their not so sound financial situation.
Posted by goldenface
I agree with Dups regarding WebOS, for the simple reason that it would be wise not to gamble on just the one OS and to at least try and introduce an alternative. Isn't HTC considering it's own?
The ongoing litigation battles with Android don't present a 100% secure outlook.
Posted by motvikt
On 2011-11-12 12:53:52, goldenface wrote:
I agree with Dups regarding WebOS, for the simple reason that it would be wise not to gamble on just the one OS and to at least try and introduce an alternative. Isn't HTC considering it's own?
The ongoing litigation battles with Android don't present a 100% secure outlook.
Agree also, maybe together with another manufacturer, HTC perhaps. Android will be overpopulated with chinese and korean manufacturers, cheap and good specs. WebOS is easily one of the better OSes out there IMO.
Posted by smclion102
You guys are rite Android will be saturated in the near future..!!
But what can SONY do after they buy Webos?? there are not too many features and very few apps !!they will take forever to add new features and app so whts the point buying it ?
End user cant take any advantage with second class OS..
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Posted by Ricky D
I don't see how having many manufacturer's developing with the same OS is an issue. Does it harm any PC makers that (pretty much) everyone releases their PCs on Windows? No, in fact more manufacturers want to use Windows because it's what the consumer expects and is used to. The same is happening with android.
SE/Sony would lose so many customers if they decided to drop android for a proprietary system. Why do you think WebOS, meego, UIQ, Symbian (and sooner or later BB) died out? Because they were only used by one or two manufacturers, iOS I hear you shout? iOS is different because Apple came to the game with a system they can fully integrate with their own Mac OS. Microsoft could do this but they don't because they've lost their inspiration and they don't have a mobile phone manufacturing division. Apple are unique because they can provide hardware and software from the same source.
Their success can trace back to the iPod, which at first only came with Apple's own firewire, grew with popularity among the Mac crowd because it could sync properly with the Mac (something which no other MP3 player previously could do properly and easily in a no fuss way). Then they used USB and all of a sudden everyone has iTunes on their Windows machine and the stage is set for the iPhone. The iPhone and iOS was built off that success.
I see android becoming very much the dominant force in all electronic device OSes, including giving Windows a run for their money.
In 10 years the majority of internet users all over the world will access the internet and do their everyday work on touch screen devices (fact, actually it's almost like that now and will probably be less than 3 years) powered by android or a form of Windows (speculation). Things really won't look much different than these futuristic videos that float around the internet, just a little less cheesy and a little more genuinely useful.
Sorry for the long post, but it is vaguely on topic.
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Posted by jack00
On 2011-11-12 16:31:10, Ricky D wrote:
I don't see how having many manufacturer's developing with the same OS is an issue. Does it harm any PC makers that (pretty much) everyone releases their PCs on Windows? No, in fact more manufacturers want to use Windows because it's what the consumer expects and is used to. The same is happening with android.
innovation stagnates if there is only one company dictating the market and hardware suppliers
this is exactly what happened to the pc market
so no - its not good!
Posted by Ricky D
@jack00 Yes, you're right its not great for innovation if the ones in charge don't encourage it, but the discussion was the business sense of splitting your eggs when the basket you're in is winning.
Posted by jack00
On 2011-11-12 19:36:47, Ricky D wrote:
@jack00 Yes, you're right its not great for innovation if the ones in charge don't encourage it, but the discussion was the business sense of splitting your eggs when the basket you're in is winning.
but this is exactly the fear which stops innovation
in the long term there is nothing to win in this game, if you are just one of many players
thinking from one financial quarter to the next won't help here either
android is winning until something better comes - and at some point there is always something better
Posted by Ricky D
@jack00 But for now there isn't anything better. The most successful companies aren't usually the ones who have the best ideas/innovation but the ones who can adapt the best to the current climate (read). At the minute smartphones are growing in popularity and over the next few years they will become more numerous desktops and laptops and will integrate with everything. Now is just the beginning. SE will do well to ride the wave with android whilst it's popular. When the next best thing comes along, then it is time to change.
Posted by jack00
currently apple is the most successful company (i didn't want to bring this example, but it works so well
)
just think about it - they are even more successful then exxon mobile, a company which makes money on gasoline.
sony ericsson had this strategy in the past ten years. they never were the best and never the first (maybe in the first years). i guess we know now that this just didn't work (in the long term). actually the wired article only proves that android is not the right partner - you can't move a company quick enough if a third party makes the decisions. apple is able to move quickly, because they are in charge.
Posted by Ricky D
Apple are successful because they approached the market in the right way, they leant heavily on the loyalty of their mac users to get a core following and the rest was good marketing and stable, functional product(s) at a time when all the other manufacturers were losing stability and quality.
SE really don't need to develop (or buy) their own OS like Apply did. Android is flexible enough for them to write their own face and additional integration functionality for their devices e.g. tvs, tabs or PCs. It's a shorter way around it to write a few thousand lines of an apk add-on than to write an entire OS, get app developers to believe in your OS, develop the OS to compete in a competitive market functionally and still think about user experience. The chipsets supported by android has enough innovation and competition to be healthy.
All in all, with the limited resource and time the best solution for Sony/SE right now is it to stick with android for the foreseeable future. When things start to stagnate and Sony is stabilised in the mobile industry then a proprietary OS comes back into the equation, but for the coming years it doesn't make sense.