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The All New Sony Ericsson Portfolio for 2011


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Posted by Dups!

On 2011-11-11 14:20:29, Ricky D wrote:
So is Nozomi the natural successor to Arc and Aoba to Neo?

Going on the names alone I'd have put them the other way around (Arc => Aoba and Nozomi => Neo).

I'd like to see Sony keep the Xperia name for their mobile division, but I wouldn't bet on it, I would guess we can expect an entire rewrite with somethings going sooner than others.



I'd also love for Sony to keep the Xperia name, would also be very nice for them to keep the UI cause it has evolved into one excellent UI IMO.

I suspect they may actually keep the Xperia name if closing the Xperia blog is any indication.


Posted by Dups!
Sony should buy WebOS. I can see possibilties there.

Relying on Google too much can never be a good thing in the long term.

I know their revenues have been taking a hit for years but this is an investment worth risking a few million dollars on.

Posted by HxH

On 2011-11-11 18:24:32, Dups! wrote:
Sony should buy WebOS. I can see possibilties there.

Relying on Google too much can never be a good thing in the long term.

I know their revenues have been taking a hit for years but this is an investment worth risking a few million dollars on.




I think SONY would love to but they had a heavily lost and buy out 50% in so it not really soon.



On 2011-11-11 16:43:41, aurelius wrote:
I'm pretty sure we will se 1 or 2 SE phones with ST-Ericsson SoC under the hood! They would mainly be midrange dual core phones.


I think It will be a reasonable device but not most powerful among general dual core competitors, possibly a stop-gap dual core while waiting for real SONY device, I hope will optimized them in style!
[ This Message was edited by: HxH on 2011-11-11 18:06 ]


Posted by moogoo
buying webOS would be a poor investment. webOS is a great platform, but it has very little developer support. android is alive and growing because google made it easy and accessible for developers to create apps. I would never get a webOS phone simply cause there aren't many apps for it.

i think sony should stick with android. modify it however to make the user experience even better or just LOOK better (though ICS looks pretty nice as is...). I would prefer sony spent their time and money coming up with ways to pack in the best hardware into the sexiest looking housing. I'd be happy with a vanilla ICS on a sexy sony phone with blazing speed, a rockin screen, and a camera that made regular P&S's cry.

Posted by Ricky D
Sony will stick with android. They've already spent a lot of time developing android into their devices and the flexibility of it is unparalleled in the mobile OS world. There is no need for Sony to start to confuse it's customers by offering several OS options when they're trying to create a uniform platform/interface/experience that spans all their products.

On a side note:
Is the 2012 thread due soon? It's usually about now it's getting prepared, no?

Posted by randomuser
What will be the title ? SONY 2012 portfolio or SonyEricsson/SONY 2012 portfolio ?

Posted by Dups!

On 2011-11-12 09:03:00, randomuser wrote:
What will be the title ? SONY 2012 portfolio or SonyEricsson/SONY 2012 portfolio ?


I suppose the Sony Ericsson/ Sony 2012 portfolio would be more appropriate for the whole of 2013.

As for Sony buying webOS,I personally feel they would do themselves a lot of good. Sure, there are not many apps for the OS but with Sony's wealth of experience and sub-brands they could find a solid solution to the problem.

Of course, their recent record is suspicious but I am sure they could do it with enough effort.

Android is going to reach a point of oversaturation and with too many players it will be extremely tough for Sony that is essentially 'starting out'. They need their own os IMO.

I remember Bert saying if SE had the money they would buy webOS, well, Sony can raise that money even in their not so sound financial situation.

Posted by goldenface
I agree with Dups regarding WebOS, for the simple reason that it would be wise not to gamble on just the one OS and to at least try and introduce an alternative. Isn't HTC considering it's own?

The ongoing litigation battles with Android don't present a 100% secure outlook.

Posted by motvikt

On 2011-11-12 12:53:52, goldenface wrote:
I agree with Dups regarding WebOS, for the simple reason that it would be wise not to gamble on just the one OS and to at least try and introduce an alternative. Isn't HTC considering it's own?

The ongoing litigation battles with Android don't present a 100% secure outlook.



Agree also, maybe together with another manufacturer, HTC perhaps. Android will be overpopulated with chinese and korean manufacturers, cheap and good specs. WebOS is easily one of the better OSes out there IMO.

Posted by smclion102
You guys are rite Android will be saturated in the near future..!!
But what can SONY do after they buy Webos?? there are not too many features and very few apps !!they will take forever to add new features and app so whts the point buying it ?
End user cant take any advantage with second class OS..
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2011-11-12 15:32 ]


Posted by Ricky D
I don't see how having many manufacturer's developing with the same OS is an issue. Does it harm any PC makers that (pretty much) everyone releases their PCs on Windows? No, in fact more manufacturers want to use Windows because it's what the consumer expects and is used to. The same is happening with android.

SE/Sony would lose so many customers if they decided to drop android for a proprietary system. Why do you think WebOS, meego, UIQ, Symbian (and sooner or later BB) died out? Because they were only used by one or two manufacturers, iOS I hear you shout? iOS is different because Apple came to the game with a system they can fully integrate with their own Mac OS. Microsoft could do this but they don't because they've lost their inspiration and they don't have a mobile phone manufacturing division. Apple are unique because they can provide hardware and software from the same source.

Their success can trace back to the iPod, which at first only came with Apple's own firewire, grew with popularity among the Mac crowd because it could sync properly with the Mac (something which no other MP3 player previously could do properly and easily in a no fuss way). Then they used USB and all of a sudden everyone has iTunes on their Windows machine and the stage is set for the iPhone. The iPhone and iOS was built off that success.

I see android becoming very much the dominant force in all electronic device OSes, including giving Windows a run for their money.

In 10 years the majority of internet users all over the world will access the internet and do their everyday work on touch screen devices (fact, actually it's almost like that now and will probably be less than 3 years) powered by android or a form of Windows (speculation). Things really won't look much different than these futuristic videos that float around the internet, just a little less cheesy and a little more genuinely useful.


Sorry for the long post, but it is vaguely on topic.
[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2011-11-12 15:34 ]


Posted by jack00

On 2011-11-12 16:31:10, Ricky D wrote:
I don't see how having many manufacturer's developing with the same OS is an issue. Does it harm any PC makers that (pretty much) everyone releases their PCs on Windows? No, in fact more manufacturers want to use Windows because it's what the consumer expects and is used to. The same is happening with android.


innovation stagnates if there is only one company dictating the market and hardware suppliers
this is exactly what happened to the pc market
so no - its not good!

Posted by Ricky D
@jack00 Yes, you're right its not great for innovation if the ones in charge don't encourage it, but the discussion was the business sense of splitting your eggs when the basket you're in is winning.

Posted by jack00

On 2011-11-12 19:36:47, Ricky D wrote:
@jack00 Yes, you're right its not great for innovation if the ones in charge don't encourage it, but the discussion was the business sense of splitting your eggs when the basket you're in is winning.


but this is exactly the fear which stops innovation
in the long term there is nothing to win in this game, if you are just one of many players
thinking from one financial quarter to the next won't help here either
android is winning until something better comes - and at some point there is always something better

Posted by Ricky D
@jack00 But for now there isn't anything better. The most successful companies aren't usually the ones who have the best ideas/innovation but the ones who can adapt the best to the current climate (read). At the minute smartphones are growing in popularity and over the next few years they will become more numerous desktops and laptops and will integrate with everything. Now is just the beginning. SE will do well to ride the wave with android whilst it's popular. When the next best thing comes along, then it is time to change.

Posted by jack00
currently apple is the most successful company (i didn't want to bring this example, but it works so well )
just think about it - they are even more successful then exxon mobile, a company which makes money on gasoline.

sony ericsson had this strategy in the past ten years. they never were the best and never the first (maybe in the first years). i guess we know now that this just didn't work (in the long term). actually the wired article only proves that android is not the right partner - you can't move a company quick enough if a third party makes the decisions. apple is able to move quickly, because they are in charge.



Posted by Ricky D
Apple are successful because they approached the market in the right way, they leant heavily on the loyalty of their mac users to get a core following and the rest was good marketing and stable, functional product(s) at a time when all the other manufacturers were losing stability and quality.

SE really don't need to develop (or buy) their own OS like Apply did. Android is flexible enough for them to write their own face and additional integration functionality for their devices e.g. tvs, tabs or PCs. It's a shorter way around it to write a few thousand lines of an apk add-on than to write an entire OS, get app developers to believe in your OS, develop the OS to compete in a competitive market functionally and still think about user experience. The chipsets supported by android has enough innovation and competition to be healthy.

All in all, with the limited resource and time the best solution for Sony/SE right now is it to stick with android for the foreseeable future. When things start to stagnate and Sony is stabilised in the mobile industry then a proprietary OS comes back into the equation, but for the coming years it doesn't make sense.

Posted by Dups!

On 2011-11-13 05:13:07, Ricky D wrote:

... When things start to stagnate and Sony is stabilised in the mobile industry then a proprietary OS comes back into the equation, but for the coming years it doesn't make sense.



This is a very wrong and dangerous approach! I like to be proactive in business rather than reactive like you want Sony to be. Buying webOS and fully integrating it into their systems now prepares them far better than waiting for something to 'go wrong' with Android by which time it will be too late. With regards to apps, it will not be easy but it is never easy starting a project like this, however, it is worthwhile in the end.

HTC and Motorola are both looking into their own OSs which means it will likely to be Sony which is left without one should the above-mentioned two come up with their own.

Having at least two webOS phones per year from Sony would be a good start, the rest of the portfolio will then continue to be Android.

Posted by Ricky D
It's not waiting until something goes wrong at android but rather waiting until Sony is stable enough in the industry (so they can afford the R&D time) and android's growth and innovation starts to slow (by which time their hand will be forced). Neither of which I see for at least two years.

Posted by Dups!
I see where you are coming from and while I agree with you to an extent I see the webOS investment as a very worthwhile one that Sony should undertake as soon as next year, I mean they should buy the OS next year.

Let's be honest RickyD, Sony has been bleeding for the last four year and it is clear that a little bit of saving grace comes in the form of the mobile phone market. Waiting for Sony to completely recover is like waiting for a cancelled flight, it may happen 5 years from now. Nobody is saying that they should dump Android but to take a step in protecting themselves against the time when Android reaches its plateau. So, buying webOS next year and coming up with the first phone in 2013 (one introdutory phone for that year) and then make it two per year from then on and see where it takes them.

Also, as goldenface pointed out, Android isn't quite a safe bet when you consider all these lawsuits flying about.

Posted by Ricky D
You're right, of course I meant Sony's mobile division to get a stable footing rather than the whole Sony corp to start making profits. That really is like waiting Duke Nukem Forever, the biggest longest running gaming joke in history. And I can see the want for a proprietary OS in 3-5 years but for at least the next 2 years Sony need to build an understanding with their customers, where the customers know what to expect from a Sony product and the experience is consistent. Consistency is the key.

I don't, however, see the lawsuits as a major issue. Since Google's Motorola acquisition Motorola the tables have turned and Google can offer better backup. It will get to a stage with the lawsuits that there will be a truce called and an agreement made.

Posted by Dups!
Seems we actually agree except how to go about doing it. I agree with you on Sony Mobile establishing itself first but also think they should buy webOS now (meaning next year) while you think patience is the key.

I don't know about the lawsuits ending any time soon, remember that Google still has one hanging over their heads regarding the origins of the os itself? They are having it out with Oracle.

Motorola holds quite a substantial portfolio of patents but they don't hold all. Microsoft and in particular, Apple, are always going after Google. Sadly, this comes back to manufacturers of Android.




Posted by rss_ndrsn
^The lawsuits are just one of the problems with Android. The unclear path it is headed is more of a concern. What will Android become few years from now? With the fragmentation among the companies that use the platform and different processors to run the platform on, the future is bleak for Android. Yes, it is in demand at the moment but it will not last long.

If Sony purchase the webOS, then they can integrate it in their devices and create a ecosystem same as or even bigger than that of iOS. From camera to TV, you name it. But Sony has to do it now, no matter what they are going through. They cannot wait later when Android "peaks", or else they will be catching up again. Working closely with Google is a big gamble and it is not stable whereas if Sony has their own platform to develop, the posibilities are limitless. Sony can have exclusivity on everything they want to implement.
[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2011-11-13 08:02 ]


Posted by argiriano
Guys with 1 billion that Sony has to pull out of the bag for Ericsson shares, there will be no money for other big investments in the near future... you know business is lead by the accountants. In the times when Sony takes steps for it`s survival and success in the long term there will be no shots in the dark.

Posted by puestadelsol
Is it 100%, that Ericsson won't produce phones ever?

Posted by semo

On 2011-11-13 20:32:00, puestadelsol wrote:
Is it 100%, that Ericsson won't produce phones ever?

This question is exactly what has been bothering me the last one month.
One phone per year to start with, hi-tech, unique like their prototypes in the past, and I'll be there.
sold part of their patents to Sony and authorized them to use some of the others but they still have plenty more.
I'm really hoping to see a new phone some day in the near future.



Posted by HYPER-X10

On 2011-11-13 08:55:14, rss_ndrsn wrote:
the future is bleak for Android. Yes, it is in demand at the moment but it will not last long.

[ This Message was edited by: rss_ndrsn on 2011-11-13 08:02 ]



Please tell me you are joking....



Posted by Ricky D
Ericsson did say they are concentrating on other things and I suspect it is part of the agreement with Sony that they don't go into mobile phones for at least 5 years so Sony can get their feet under the table and so as to not confuse SE customers.

Posted by HxH
What about missing piece of hardware in earlier Nozomi leaked?

What do you love to see?

Mine, just give me a stylish camera cover something like C902, anyway I don't expect a xenon flash.

Posted by Detox
From hydenobuyuki from XDA:

According to websites in Japan, Nozomi will ship with Ice Cream Sandwich as the SO-02D.


Posted by goldenface
That's good news, so we know it will be bang up to date as far as the OS is concerned. I just with they would announce the thing soon as it's now one of the worst kept secrets in the history of mobile phones.

Posted by rog
Could be worse, someone could have lost a Prototype in a bar which then got sold to engadget
[ This Message was edited by: rog on 2011-11-15 00:02 ]


Posted by Platia1
Gizmodo?

This has been leaked quite a bit but I can recall numerous other worse leaks, iPhone 4 for starters, Nokia 5800 XpressMusic was a massive leak as well.

Posted by rog
Oh right,gizmodo it was

Posted by moogoo
oooh... source code for ICS has just been made available by google. guess that adds confidence to new phones running ICS right off the bat. sounds good to me

Posted by back2you
XPERIA 2011 ICS UPDATE

http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]011-xperia%E2%84%A2-portfolio/



Posted by bronxdude

On 2011-11-15 12:37:20, back2you wrote:
XPERIA 2011 ICS UPDATE

http://blogs.sonyericsson.com[....]011-xperia%E2%84%A2-portfolio/




Love it!

Posted by back2you


developer world confirm that

http://developer.sonyericsson[....]andwich-to-2011-xperia-phones/



Posted by goldenface
Fantastic news! Of course we should expect any new phones from now on to have nothing other.

Posted by DACHA
Is HTC trying to overtake Samsung? By the time we see a dual core from Sony the majority of other manufacturers will have quad core phones.

Posted by randomuser

On 2011-11-16 00:00:39, DACHA wrote:
Is HTC trying to overtake Samsung? By the time we see a dual core from Sony the majority of other manufacturers will have quad core phones.


Yes HTC will have the first quad core phone ahead of Samsung.

Anyways guys don't you think this thread needs to be locked and the new 2012 thread started ?

Posted by goldenface
Not for another two weeks yet. 1st of December will be exactly 1 year since it was opened so lets aim for around that time.

Posted by randomuser
Cool.

OMG see this

http://www.engadget.com/2011/[....]-2-5ghz-quad-core-cpu-and-ice/

HTC Zeta with next gen Qualcomm snapdragon 2.5 ghz Quad Core CPU

Posted by Dups!
HTC will always get the best chips from Qualcomm simply because of the latter being a shareholder in the former.


Posted by razec
I don't see the point having the highest CPU speed if the GPU just can't compete with the Tegra 3/ PowerVR SGX5xxMP+ or the new Mali GPU, Apps are becoming GPU bound nowadays and even the ICS OS itself will benefit from a powerful GPU than with a quick integer cruncher, besides i wonder how long the battery will last

Posted by admad
Now this would be ridicolous! I myself have quad-core 3,2 GHz on my PC, and only time I use it's full power is when I render visualisations... To think of it, it would be nice to use a phone to render faster, but i doubt they will do that, so, what's the point of quad-core?

Posted by smclion102

On 2011-11-16 04:46:32, randomuser wrote:
Cool.

OMG see this

http://www.engadget.com/2011/[....]-2-5ghz-quad-core-cpu-and-ice/

HTC Zeta with next gen Qualcomm snapdragon 2.5 ghz Quad Core CPU


2013 Six Core Phones ??
2014 20mp Camera Phones ??
Too Much is Not good..

Posted by Ricky D
Come on.

There is always a need for more powerful CPUs, GPUs and more Ram. It's what enables developers to develop more powerful software for a given platform. Otherwise you end up in a chicken and egg scenario. One has to come first.

For me to be able to use my mobile device to plug into a spare monitor at work and actually do work, I need more powerful hardware so Adobe can write a full version of Photoshop properly for android.

More power is more useful.

I just hope they bump in a couple GB of RAM with that 2.5 quad core.
[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2011-11-16 10:51 ]


Posted by nikos_se
More trouble for ahead,if those htc rumours are true.It's like like fighting with plastic weapons,against real guns, will never win marketshare and sales if they insist using last year processors.My only hope is that at least they will change the processors to krait instead of scorpion.If they choose to stay on scorpion,when everyone else will be doing cortex-A9/cortex-A15 and krait,then next mobile phones no matter the display,no matter the camera are doomed.

Posted by adsada

On 2011-11-16 04:46:32, randomuser wrote:
Cool.

OMG see this

http://www.engadget.com/2011/[....]-2-5ghz-quad-core-cpu-and-ice/

HTC Zeta with next gen Qualcomm snapdragon 2.5 ghz Quad Core CPU


I'm betting that's a fake, it just looks like it and isn't HTC's style plus surely each manufacture will only have one flagship device with quad core to start off with? Otherwise two models just compete with each other, this year this is what occurred with the dual core. Seeing as there has already been an HTC leak of more believable phone I think that will be their only quad core for the time being.

Also how often do leaks come out in the form of finished media images, it's almost always sly camera shots of the phone under the table etc.


On 2011-11-16 11:35:21, smclion102 wrote:

2013 Six Core Phones ??
2014 20mp Camera Phones ??
Too Much is Not good..


Don't exaggerate remember back in 2007 with 5MP cameras and that race, everyone then would have said 'oh by the year 2012 there will be 30MP cameras!' but the truth it after 8MP the race practically ended with only few adopting 12MP+. Now the reason for this? Could be because any more is boarding unnecessary although true a lot of rumoured 2012 devices are looking to have 12MP so this could be starting again, but I wonder if after quad core that will be the end of that race, and they'll be something else...


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