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Posted by randomuser

On 2011-11-06 12:20:13, Detox wrote:
Apropos 8260A, it comes with Adreno 225. But according to the NenaMark benchmark test, Nozomi (/Aoba) comes with Adreno 220 .


Where did you see the Nozomi NenaMark result ?


Posted by Detox
Here you go:
http://nena.se/nenamark/view?version=1&device_id=890

Posted by motvikt

On 2011-11-06 10:26:34, rss_ndrsn wrote:
Nozomi processor is actually Tegra 2, same as Motorola Xoom. Tegra 2 is Nvidia's ARM chip name which uses ARMv7 cores. That's why it shows on the pic that ARMv7. It might not be Krait but it is better than single core processor.


That would be a complete disaster. Tegra2 is 3 years old and currently the worst dualcore out there. Really really hope not. Would much rather have qualcomm s3, it can at least play high profile 1080p

edit. btw, 1.5 ghz clock is to high for tegra2, so we can rule that out. puh
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-11-06 12:24 ]


Posted by winnerzero
wow, i think i love this nozomi....but i'm not ready to be apart from my arc yet...arc hd looks very high tech...

Posted by argiriano
Processor choice is pretty much obvious guys - it may be MSM8260 or MSM8660 cause they are the only two 1,2 - 1,5GHz Qualcomm chips using Adreno 220. Third chip working on that frequency QSD8672 was canceled, MSM8260A is using Adreno 225 GPU and it`s sampled just now (Q4 2011) so there`s no Krait in Nozomi, stop dreaming.
[ This Message was edited by: argiriano on 2011-11-06 12:49 ]


Posted by adsada
This is what I'm hoping for, and might be wishful thinking, but SE'S top flagships next year will be the LT26i (leaked above) then the Xperia arc HD with specs competing with other 2012 phones like the SGS3 with a quad core processor etc. and finally sony will develop a 16mp Cyber-shot phone with Xenon flash.

Yes probably wishful thinking but that would be awesome and definitely start sony mobile off with a bang.

Posted by argiriano

On 2011-10-29 07:51:29, juris15 wrote:
http://seat.it168.com/attachm[....]/27/20294220s81mb2bs888808.jpg
http://seat.it168.com/attachm[....]/27/202919surr7gyr3999prbr.jpg
[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2011-10-29 06:52 ]


We can assume that device on this previous leak isn`t Nozomi but Aoba or some other device, 'cause the bulge at the back.
[ This Message was edited by: argiriano on 2011-11-06 13:06 ]


Posted by king-james
what the hell are you talking about? arc hd is nozomi!

Posted by aamwng

On 2011-11-06 14:05:18, argiriano wrote:

On 2011-10-29 07:51:29, juris15 wrote:
http://seat.it168.com/attachm[....]/27/20294220s81mb2bs888808.jpg
http://seat.it168.com/attachm[....]/27/202919surr7gyr3999prbr.jpg
[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2011-10-29 06:52 ]


We can assume that device on this previous leak isn`t Nozomi but Aoba or some other device, 'cause the bulge at the back.
[ This Message was edited by: argiriano on 2011-11-06 13:06 ]



I think that will be Xperia ray2. The bulge will be the camera!

Posted by rog
*Marketing-Brain On* Why do you need flash if you have EXMOR R sensor? Makes great pictures in the dark, no neeed for flash! *Marketing-Brain Off*

And regard those cam-pics: waaaaaay too early to judge anything (if they are from Nozomi at all).

Posted by xenia

On 2011-11-06 14:54:07, rog wrote:
*Marketing-Brain On* Why do you need flash if you have EXMOR R sensor? Makes great pictures in the dark, no neeed for flash! *Marketing-Brain Off*

And regard those cam-pics: waaaaaay too early to judge anything (if they are from Nozomi at all).


Is this Nozomi? Is it good overall?

Posted by randomuser

On 2011-11-06 14:54:07, rog wrote:
*Marketing-Brain On* Why do you need flash if you have EXMOR R sensor? Makes great pictures in the dark, no neeed for flash! *Marketing-Brain Off*

And regard those cam-pics: waaaaaay too early to judge anything (if they are from Nozomi at all).



AFAIK there is 12 mp EXMOR R sensor. So you mean Nozomi has 16 mp Exmor R

Posted by rog
No,I was referring to the flash discussion.

Posted by goldenface
I'm not sure whether software optimisation is a adequate replacement for a good Xenon flash. I remember some of the macro and xenon flash pictures taken with the K800i years ago and they were amazing.

Posted by randomuser
Hmm so going by the post argiriano made, its going to be the Arc all over again.

1 year behind competition again. This year corrected the mistake they made last year with software but it seems like they did not want to learn a lesson this year.

Posted by Ricky D
Exmor R isn't purely software optimisation is it? I thought it was as much if not more to do with the sensor technology.

Granted though, Exmor R + xenon would mean better pictures.

Posted by randomuser

On 2011-11-06 15:49:24, Ricky D wrote:
Exmor R isn't purely software optimisation is it? I thought it was as much if not more to do with the sensor technology.

Granted though, Exmor R + xenon would mean better pictures.



Exmor R has nothing to do with software. Its a CMOS sensor with a back - illuminated structure. "R" signifies back-illumination.

Posted by io_bg
I'm hoping they'll put better lenses, too. When the first iPhone 4S camera samples were uploaded in the net I compared them with pictures taken by Arc. I could easily see the big difference between Apple's and SE's poor (probably plastic) lenses.
[ This Message was edited by: io_bg on 2011-11-06 15:36 ]


Posted by goldenface
Surely people remember how well the cameras of the K800 / K810 / C905 were received. Xenon plus Exmor R is a winning combo. Why can't they make it happen?

Posted by Platia1
Put on a Xenon Flash, and watch people complain that the device is too thick.

Posted by NightBlade

On 2011-11-06 17:33:35, Platia1 wrote:
Put on a Xenon Flash, and watch people complain that the device is too thick.

I won't.

TBH I couldn't care less about how thick it is.

Posted by moogoo
i think people would welcome the xenon flash even with the addition of a few more mm's of thickness or even a camera "bump" on the back...i know i wouldn't mind if i knew my camera was rockin!



Posted by lolstebbo

On 2011-11-06 14:09:43, aamwng wrote:

On 2011-11-06 14:05:18, argiriano wrote:

On 2011-10-29 07:51:29, juris15 wrote:
http://seat.it168.com/attachm[....]/27/20294220s81mb2bs888808.jpg
http://seat.it168.com/attachm[....]/27/202919surr7gyr3999prbr.jpg
[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2011-10-29 06:52 ]


We can assume that device on this previous leak isn`t Nozomi but Aoba or some other device, 'cause the bulge at the back.
[ This Message was edited by: argiriano on 2011-11-06 13:06 ]



I think that will be Xperia ray2. The bulge will be the camera!



I don't think so; The first batch of phones to be released next year should be the Arc and Neo replacements (and the Play if they keep that line alive).

Posted by io_bg
^ It was mentioned earlier that work on the Play replacement was cancelled, they'll make a new (fortunately more powerful) device instead.

Posted by adsada

On 2011-11-06 23:26:20, io_bg wrote:
^ It was mentioned earlier that work on the Play replacement was cancelled, they'll make a new (fortunately more powerful) device instead.



Could you post a source for this information? I don't recall any official statement that the play 2 had been cancelled...plus if they would design a more tech heavy gaming device it would not only a, compete with their own PSP Vita and b, kill the ecosystem they're trying to build with the playstation certified content, if they were to start all over again with more graphical rich games what would they call it? Playstation certified plus?. The xperia play doesn't just need to be a game console, the advantage of this device is that you can play any game on the android market, with greater control (if they're xperia play optimised) then other phones which just have touch buttons. With my arc, I've plugged in a game controller thanks to the 2.3.4 update and a lot of games are much more fun to use with it.
[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2011-11-06 22:46 ]


Posted by Ricky D
My source in China said Play2 was cancelled as Sony's first order of business n SE.

RE: xenon flash
I actually believe the main problem is the battery consumption. Smartphones with big screens barely last a day as it is and it's something every manufacturer is acutely aware of. The general public won't like that their phones last few hours but takes 'slightly' better (than Exmor R) pictures, the trade off is a clear one in the general consumers' eyes. Of course anyone with an eye for photography will be able to tell the difference but then wouldn't anyone with an eye for photography use a real camera for the good shots?


Posted by NightBlade
It makes a HUGE difference for night shots. I've seen plesnty of pictures taken wiht regular led flashed and they're pathetic. Not to mention blurry, most of the time, due to increased exposure time.

Posted by razec

On 2011-11-07 02:39:51, Ricky D wrote:
My source in China said Play2 was cancelled as Sony's first order of business n SE.

RE: xenon flash
I actually believe the main problem is the battery consumption. Smartphones with big screens barely last a day as it is and it's something every manufacturer is acutely aware of. The general public won't like that their phones last few hours but takes 'slightly' better (than Exmor R) pictures, the trade off is a clear one in the general consumers' eyes. Of course anyone with an eye for photography will be able to tell the difference but then wouldn't anyone with an eye for photography use a real camera for the good shots?



Those problems can be easily ironed if Manufacturers are serious with their commitment. its just that they are too afraid to do something that defies the general public perception. I recall the same thing was said when people think a high resolution and large sensor camera phone would eat more battery than a the crappy cam module that was generally available. TBH i'll put the blame on the stupid current trend of making "slimmest" phones which prevents powerful batteries as well as useful hardware like Xenon flash from being integrated. iphone 4s/SGS2 had a great camera quality but they're too slim that they don't offer the comfortable grip we enjoy with true digicams

Posted by admad
About xenon, I don't think the concern is battery life. That's true, xenon consumes a lot of energy, but then, how often does one use camera? Let alone camera with xenon flash It's pretty rare, but very usefull nonetheless. And I remember having xenon on k800i, battery was still good, and I still remember very neat feature called BestPic, wonder why nobody does this anymore?

IMO mobile phone makers made a pact with camera manufacturers, just think about it, camera sensors in mobile phones are so good these days, that customer asks himself, do I need compact camera? Just look at this, cheap compact cameras can't do 1080p, phones can. The only advantage of compact cameras is night performance thanks to flash. And that's what still keeping them(also optical zoom, but it's not that very useful as xenon)... Put a xenon in many phones, say bye bye to compact cameras market. It's sad but probably ture. I mean we saw xenon flashes in 2006-2009, what made them disappear? (only one phone N8 continued the tradition, but has no successor)

Posted by Ravager
I don't think it's the battery either, I would say it's the thickness. Due to the size of the capacitors they can't make the phone thin enough.
And AFAIK most people care more about thickness then xenon flash. I'm not one of those though, I would love an Android with xenon.

Posted by goldenface
I think most people just 'expect' some sort of continuation of the the range of winning phones, which although the picture quality beyond the K800i was not mind blowing, the features such as Xenon? Active lens cover? BestPic? - which cached 5 pics before and pics after you let go of the focus button?

All the extras were great.

More than anything else it is the Xenon which I miss most from Sony Ericsson and I still miss it today. Walkman has reappeared with Android but what happened to Cyber-shot? After all, it's one of the things that made Sony Ericsson great.

Posted by Ravager
@goldenface

Totally agree.
And with todays sensors and lenses getting better. With a xenon flash they could kill the ´point and shoot´ camera segment.
[ This Message was edited by: Ravager on 2011-11-07 10:14 ]


Posted by goldenface
The thing is I don't think people really mind putting up with the extra width as long as there is the advantage of having a decent flash.

I almost never posted pics in the esato photo threads when I stopped using my C905.

Raidersky?

Posted by disiz
Still no xenon flash on Nozomi ?! Then I'll stay on HTC phones, and keep my Satio for photos...
Years ago, SE was a good brand, with Walkman & Cybershot on their phones. Then Android has come and SE has fall...

Posted by Karun
Looking at it from a different viewpoint, all the manufacturers are probably waiting a while till they get xenon back. Lets face it, there is never going to be a perfect phone. Probably they feel that a slim design, faster and better processors is the need of the hour or rather the demand.
Its not worth blaming SE. None of the other manufacturers are adding it in their devices. If it was such an advantage, someone would have brought it back. I feel xenon will make a comeback soon, the only question is when.
[ This Message was edited by: Karun on 2011-11-07 11:02 ]


Posted by aamwng
When the phones can't get any thinner...

Posted by randomuser
Hmm. I really don't understand why so much fascination about having the thinnest phone ? IMO 10mm-12mm is more than adequate thinness for a smartphone to not be a pain to use.

Posted by smclion102
Everything has become Thin these Days "NANO Technology"

Posted by Detox

On 2011-11-07 12:48:54, randomuser wrote:
IMO 10mm-12mm is more than adequate thinness for a smartphone to not be a pain to use.

I couldn't agree more.
From unknown13x from XDA:

Also, don't judge the device from what you see. These test devices are missing half the special hardware that will be in the final product. Not that they're going to exclude it, but for cost saving and for internal demo purposes, they did not include it. SE's been doing this since the Arc, so many sites are clueless to what will appear in the final product. So if you're already satisfied with what the rumor says, there would be more to please you when it announces...


Posted by goldenface
AFAIC it's still the easiest way in which then can differentiate themselves from otherwise 'run of the mill' similar looking smartphones out there.

How long have we been crying out for an android version of Satio?

Posted by argiriano

On 2011-11-07 12:48:54, randomuser wrote:
Hmm. I really don't understand why so much fascination about having the thinnest phone ? IMO 10mm-12mm is more than adequate thinness for a smartphone to not be a pain to use.

I agree for 4" screen and more 10mm thickness is good enough. I found that Ray thinnes along with the small size of the device make it pretty challenging not to drop.

Posted by Platia1
They have brought back Walkman phones to Android in name only, no dedicated music keys, nothing special in terms of audio quality, same old crap headphones in the box (the Arc etc come with ok headphones)

It's like bringing back CyberShot to a phone with a 3.2 megapixel fixed focus camera.

Hence my hope for a phone version of the Walkman Z Series. That would be a stunning phone for me.

Posted by DACHA
Did anybody notice that the notification bar in the leaked photos is on the wrong side?
Also based on this it will have the MSM8660 dual core processor.
[ This Message was edited by: DACHA on 2011-11-07 14:32 ]


Posted by argiriano

On 2011-11-07 15:31:46, DACHA wrote:
Did anybody notice that the notification bar in the leaked photos is on the wrong side?
Also based on this it will have the MSM8660 dual core processor.
[ This Message was edited by: DACHA on 2011-11-07 14:32 ]


It`s not on the wrong side, it`s that way because selected language is Hebrew - it reads from right to left, you know.
This so called source, has copied the news like many of the sites on the web, but they state some of the suggestions as facts and bring nothing new.
First, MSM8260 and MSM8660 has the same specs, the only difference between them is networking - HSPA+ for 8260 and HSPA+/CDMA2000 for 8660.
Second, actual display density is 341 and the number 320 point to scale modelling for extra-high density.

Posted by Karun
Unknown13x is a trusted source. So the hardware is better than what we know as of now. Seems to be a promising device. Sony, surprise us!

Posted by argiriano

On 2011-11-07 17:25:05, Karun wrote:
Unknown13x is a trusted source. So the hardware is better than what we know as of now. Seems to be a promising device. Sony, surprise us!


The source may be even Sony CEO, but that doesn`t change tha fact that MSM8260 and MSM8660 are exactly the same processors. There`s nothing better in higher number in this case just different network coverage.

Posted by badassmam
http://pocketnow.com/android/[....]uad-core-phone-revealed-images

Pocketnow state that HTC will have the first quad core, the HTC Edge. The sales men will be saying, "dual core is alright but quad core is twice as good". I guess quad cores are the flavour for next year then, are people disappointed? I still don't even see the need for a dual core, but I can see a price drop in some decent phones and I guess Nozomi should be cheap or released soon or even with a quad core, sorry.....its late.

Posted by pauvincent
don't people learn? Last year before the arc was released it was running on 800mhz then when it was announced it turned to 1ghz same case with nozomi upon release the procesor will probably change
[ This Message was edited by: pauvincent on 2011-11-07 23:33 ]


Posted by NightBlade

On 2011-11-08 00:29:31, pauvincent wrote:
don't people learn? Last year before the arc was released it was running on 800mhz then when it was announced it turned to 1ghz same case with nozomi upon release the procesor will probably change
[ This Message was edited by: pauvincent on 2011-11-07 23:33 ]



That's all very nice and well, but what should have happened is that they should have doubled the cores as well.
They didn't.

And they won't this time either.

Posted by kewsvnet
we are still talking about phones rite???

how many cores does it take to make a phone call!!! lol!!!


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