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Posted by motvikt

On 2011-10-18 14:22:22, Dups! wrote:

On 2011-10-17 16:46:13, huiyi wrote:
Sony Ericsson mobile phones will soon add custom equalizer. Clear Bass. . Headphone speaker environment settings. . Manual ISO adjustment. . Sony Ericsson and SONY the camera and music player from top to bottom rewrite. . :- D
Are you looking forward to it. . Very, very good. . :- O


I like!

Errr... what is 'Headphone speaker environment setting?'



Who cares what it is, I only know I want it!


Posted by Dups!


Posted by Ricky D
Manual ISO I like the sound of. Missed that for a few phones.

Posted by argiriano

On 2011-10-18 16:37:07, Ricky D wrote:
Manual ISO I like the sound of. Missed that for a few phones.


Yeah, and it has to be pretty usefull with Exmor-R on low light conditions when it usually overexpose the shots... so lowering a little of ISO may help for better results.

Every manual settings is a bless `cause it give people a choice, which we all like, even if we don`t use the option at all.

Posted by jplacson
Although you can't set the ISO, there is an exposure adjustment... I've found the Exmor R has a tendency to over expose by 1 stop. My only wish is a setting lock because it resets every time you take a picture.

Posted by moogoo
droid razr looks sexy. i hope SE comes up with something comparable soon! the combination of kevlar housing, gorilla glass, and the rest of those specs is hard to pass up. almost makes me want to jump ship! come on SE! don't let me down!

Posted by DACHA

On 2011-10-18 21:54:15, moogoo wrote:
droid razr looks sexy. i hope SE comes up with something comparable soon! the combination of kevlar housing, gorilla glass, and the rest of those specs is hard to pass up. almost makes me want to jump ship! come on SE! don't let me down!



The specs are sexy but the phone is not. The Camera (hump) section in the back destroys the visual appearance of the phone. 7.1mm thin at the thinnest point but that hump is over 10mm.

Posted by Dups!

On 2011-10-18 21:54:15, moogoo wrote:
droid razr looks sexy. i hope SE comes up with something comparable soon! the combination of kevlar housing, gorilla glass, and the rest of those specs is hard to pass up. almost makes me want to jump ship! come on SE! don't let me down!



Already, from the leaked specs, (the) Nozomi is better than the Razr. I just don't see SE beating Moto when it comes to that amazing buid quality, that is just stunning and I should know as I still own and use the Motorola V8 which is matched by very few phones in build quality.

I am now waiting for SE to see the rest of (the) Nozomi but this Razr is now in my shopping list along with SE's next flaghip. Only one will be left standing.

Posted by HxH

On 2011-10-18 22:50:02, DACHA wrote:

On 2011-10-18 21:54:15, moogoo wrote:
droid razr looks sexy. i hope SE comes up with something comparable soon! the combination of kevlar housing, gorilla glass, and the rest of those specs is hard to pass up. almost makes me want to jump ship! come on SE! don't let me down!



The specs are sexy but the phone is not. The Camera (hump) section in the back destroys the visual appearance of the phone. 7.1mm thin at the thinnest point but that hump is over 10mm.


Absolutely agreed!

Posted by smclion102
so did SONY sell of 8mp Exmor to APPLE instead to ?? Thats y no NEO with 8mp?? and they Introduced NEO V ??

Posted by >500
after all these announcements, im REALLY itching to see what has installed for us...

It might not be as powerful as others, who knows, we'll find out soon enough, but it does not phase me as I wouldnt call me a power user like some who need the extra grunt!

Apart from that, one thing that always wins me over to is their designs.

Posted by Ylli
Sony ericsson on ICS for 2011 Xperia lineups from www.pocket-lint.com:

"Sony Ericsson is currently rolling out the upgrade to Gingerbread 2.3.4 across its entire 2011 Xperia smartphone portfolio. This software upgrade will be available through a phased roll out in select markets. Beyond Gingerbread 2.3.4, we plan to upgrade our 2011 Xperia smartphone portfolio to the next Android platform made available to us. Official Sony Ericsson communication regarding software upgrades will be published on http://blogs.sonyericsson.com."

Posted by Shino03

On 2011-10-19 15:07:23, aurelius wrote:

On 2011-10-19 13:24:19, smclion102 wrote:
so did SONY sell of 8mp Exmor to APPLE instead to ?? Thats y no NEO with 8mp?? and they Introduced NEO V ??




Yes, that's why Neo V has a 5MP sensor. Apple bought almost everything they could produce!


Agree. With 4 million units sold that doesn't surprise me they got out of stock.

Posted by koss

On 2011-10-19 13:24:19, smclion102 wrote:
so did SONY sell of 8mp Exmor to APPLE instead to ?? Thats y no NEO with 8mp?? and they Introduced NEO V ??


Sony 8mp sensor for apple is different from that 8 MP sensor present in Xperia 2011 range. It is not the same sensor. Sony 8 MP for apple is much better. ALso apple uses high quality lens instead of plastic one present in xperia 2011 family

Posted by semo

On 2011-10-19 23:45:26, koss wrote:

On 2011-10-19 13:24:19, smclion102 wrote:
so did SONY sell of 8mp Exmor to APPLE instead to ?? Thats y no NEO with 8mp?? and they Introduced NEO V ??


Sony 8mp sensor for apple is different from that 8 MP sensor present in Xperia 2011 range. It is not the same sensor. Sony 8 MP for apple is much better. ALso apple uses high quality lens instead of plastic one present in xperia 2011 family


"Much" better I am not sure, just saw several comparisons of 4S and Arc and the results are mostly tied.
Are you sure the apple phone has glass lenses and not plastic?
Moreover for the plastic lenses, it hardly matters at the level of quality of such small sensors.

BTW Where do you get this info?
I hope not from the mobile-review site, they claim the same there.
And they repeat it over and over and probably they are the origin of this speculation, but they've been wrong or biased many times before.
In the past they were saying the same about cheap sensors in Vivaz, but still it had one of the best cameras in its class.
I wouldn't trust this info yet.

Posted by admad

On 2011-10-20 01:08:55, semo wrote:

On 2011-10-19 23:45:26, koss wrote:

On 2011-10-19 13:24:19, smclion102 wrote:
so did SONY sell of 8mp Exmor to APPLE instead to ?? Thats y no NEO with 8mp?? and they Introduced NEO V ??


Sony 8mp sensor for apple is different from that 8 MP sensor present in Xperia 2011 range. It is not the same sensor. Sony 8 MP for apple is much better. ALso apple uses high quality lens instead of plastic one present in xperia 2011 family


"Much" better I am not sure, just saw several comparisons of 4S and Arc and the results are mostly tied.
Are you sure the apple phone has glass lenses and not plastic?
Moreover for the plastic lenses, it hardly matters at the level of quality of such small sensors.

BTW Where do you get this info?
I hope not from the mobile-review site, they claim the same there.
And they repeat it over and over and probably they are the origin of this speculation, but they've been wrong or biased many times before.
In the past they were saying the same about cheap sensors in Vivaz, but still it had one of the best cameras in its class.
I wouldn't trust this info yet.


Yup, it's pretty safe to say that the sensor in Arc and iPhone 4s is the same. Since Sony produces only one kind of 8MP Exmor mobile sensor, it has to be this way As for quality, I would say wait for GSMArena thorough comparison, I'm pretty sure it will show that pic quality is very similiar in these two phones.

Posted by Ricky D
From the comparisons I've seen 4S just beats our Arc. Although it's not a straight sets win. It's what I would have expected as Apple work hardest on optimising their software/hardware relationships and the cam module is probably almost identical to Arc's (save maybe the type of glass to protect the module).

I think SE's problem is that they've added crap loads of compression and degrading post processing to help bring the file size so they can handle it ast enough to save to the card and give a better speed performance. By doing so they'v dug a hole because if they help their picture quality and lose the speed people will start to get upset.

Arc's photos are 80% of the time 'good enough' so most people won't notice a quality increase as they won't look so closely. People will notice a 0.5-1.0 second increase in time to take a photo though (which is what it might take to have 90% of the time 'great' photos) and I think the speed of the camera is something of a selling point for Arc.

Anyway, a better CPU, less aggressive processing algorithms/compression and perhaps a switch to totally internal storage will help the next SE flagship shooter.

Posted by Guarulhos
I would like to opine ...
First I think this topic relates to new releases from Sony Ericsson handset and not on whether a, b or c uses the image sensor or lens d, e or f! Ok?
Second point, I do not see why the insistence of you to say categorically that all Apple iPhone 4S use Sony image sensor!
This is a great untruth!
It has been widely discussed and published on various websites as (GSMARENA, PHONEARENA, CHIPWORKS and MOBILE-REVIEW)!
Only 25% of iPhones manufactured worldwide use SONY image sensor!
The remainder (75%) uses OMNIVISION image sensors!
And the reason is simple ... Sony has no structure to meet this demand after the disaster at its factories in Japan!
Want more proof of what happened to Neo?
Who won a downgrade in camera because of this!
So take this thought of your head!
Just as select markets (USA, UK, Germany, France and Japan) will have iPhones equipped with SONY image sensors, other markets in which the device will be marketed (included my country BRAZIL), the units will have image sensor OmniVision!
Fitting also point out that Apple is working with two different suppliers for all optical integrated with iPhones (the vast majority of iPhones use lenses GENIUS OPTICAL and minority LARGAN PRECISION lens use)!
On what occasion will be used either, so I have no idea!
Clarified that, I think not healthy to discuss why the iPhone has superior image quality to all Xperia Top Line 2011, because he does not use in full image sensors SONY! Big hug to all and please...
Let's talk about new products and services Sony Ericsson !

Posted by Ravager
Well, Apple choice of sensors does effect Sony Ericsson's future choice of sensors. If Sony produces the max number of units they are able too, maybe we won't see a 8 or 12 Mp Sony sensor in the next high end phone. Especially if Guarulhos information is true and only 25 % of the sensors used in the iPhone4S are from Sony, i would imagine Apple to want that number to be 100% ?

Posted by cha-B
A photo taken by LT26i (Nozomi?)
https://picasaweb.google.com/[....]1522115/E3#5665168277609936210
[ This Message was edited by: cha-B on 2011-10-20 12:06 ]


Posted by koss
If that pic is true... it will have 12 MP image sensor.

Posted by semo

On 2011-10-20 13:20:59, koss wrote:
If that pic is true... it will have 12 MP image sensor.

If that pic is true...
I've never seen a more detailed photo in my life!! Crisp and clear!


Posted by back2you
software : 6.0.A.0.412

this is ice cream update ?

Posted by goldenface
Brilliant! All we need is a picture of the thing.

Who thinks early November announcement and available around MWC in February.

Posted by aamwng

On 2011-10-20 16:00:33, goldenface wrote:
Brilliant! All we need is a picture of the thing.

Who thinks early November announcement and available around MWC in February.



Just brought the arc... all the rumours are now starting to flood in...

I am so unlucky

Posted by adsada
Time for The All New Sony Ericsson Portfolio for 2012 thread?


Posted by goldenface
Is it that time already?

Posted by back2you

On 2011-10-20 16:00:33, goldenface wrote:
Brilliant! All we need is a picture of the thing.

Who thinks early November announcement and available around MWC in February.



I think October/November announcement and available @ December

Posted by goldenface
Get out! If only that was true, I thought there were to be no more announcements this year but it would be great if they kicked off 2012 with a bang by announcing Nozomi.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2011-10-20 16:07 ]


Posted by Ravager
By the looks of the pictures , the flash is located to the left of the sensor. And it's defiantly LED, xenon would be much brighter.
Maybe it would be a clever move by Sony Ericsson to get it out in stores 'til xmas, but i doubt it will happen. Haven't we seen it, there's still a long way left to announcement.

Posted by argiriano
No new flagship from this year... otherwise they will break their spell of being sloooooooow.

Is there anyone who expect to see reacting adequately on changing market for once?!

Posted by koss
No flagship phones for 2011.

Nozomi will be relesead in 2012 and will compete will galaxy s III. It is sad for becouse galaxy s III will have 12 MP bsi sensor with 1/2.3 sensor size that will beat in camera performance.

Posted by Ravager
Team up with Lytro and release something mind-blowing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDyRSYGcFVM

Posted by king-james
Amazing camera!!!

Posted by jack00

On 2011-10-20 21:03:55, Ravager wrote:
Team up with Lytro and release something mind-blowing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDyRSYGcFVM


exactly my thoughts
if you have something like this you don't need hardcore smartphone capabilities
the market would scream for something new

maybe nokia shoud do it

Posted by adsada
Don't really get what's so great about that, yeah it's pretty cool how you can change the focus after taking the picture. It's cool, but is it really practical I mean look how massive that is plus the fact that surely when taking the shot you can just focus the part you want focused? Also the resolution of the photo looks very square like...

am I missing something here?

Posted by Ravager
It is in a very early stage, further down the road, we will probably see this technology in all cameras.
One very cool feature is the 3D capabilities, both for pictures and video (in a couple of years)

Basically, the sensor detects the angle and distance of the light. With a little help from computers and trigonometry we can choose the focus or to make it 3D. So instead of having 2 cameras for 3D shooting you'll only need one.

And it's big because of the lenses...
[ This Message was edited by: Ravager on 2011-10-20 23:03 ]


Posted by Angello

On 2011-10-20 20:17:17, koss wrote:
No flagship phones for 2011.

Nozomi will be relesead in 2012 and will compete will galaxy s III. It is sad for becouse galaxy s III will have 12 MP bsi sensor with 1/2.3 sensor size that will beat in camera performance.


I don't think so
The Exmor Sensor as found in the Arc, iPhone 4S etc. is the best camera phone sensor to date.
I'm pretty sure it'll be the same with the new 12mp sensor.
[ This Message was edited by: Angello on 2011-10-21 10:09 ]


Posted by nikos_se
Guys,Nozomi will most likely have a 16.2MP sensor.There is no 12mp exmor r mobile sensor in the market.Remeber when arc leaked,eldar said that the prototype unit could shoot just 3mp pictures?It's because it's not the final unit yet.Plus the japanese s007 phone from ,can shoot at 16mp/12mp/8mp/3mp/0.3mp,so 12mp is a resolution that the 16mp sensor can shoot.

Posted by goldenface
Ah, well that is good news. At least can stay ahead in imaging at least.

Posted by adsada
In 2010 I think the camera is one area which really helped SE sell the X10, it had an 8MP camera where no other Android phone on the market at the time had this (the galaxy s only had 5MP). If Nozomi does have a 16MP camera and Samsung's attempt on 12MP then this could influence peoples discussion, although on the other hand 12MP might be seen as enough for most people, and although Megapixels aren't as important as things like sensor size it's what comes across in the marketing and advertising that makes it important.

Posted by goldenface
The '5.0 megapixels is enough' argument makes me laugh, really, ever since the K800i people have been saying 2.0MP is enough.

If people don't want to use 16MP then take it down a peg to 12MP or 9MP.

Posted by adsada
http://www.engadget.com/2011/[....]m-sandwich-to-xperia-handsets/

though doesn't really mention specifically that they will be the 4.0 update...

Posted by smclion102
Kaz Hirai: Sony is 'in discussions with non-Sony companies' over PlayStation Suite


so there will be lot of competition for PLAY-2 in the future ???


http://www.engadget.com/2011/[....]-with-non-sony-companies-over/

Posted by nikos_se
Given that xperia play,wasnt as big a success....i suspect we will see more tablets coming with suport for playstation suite,rather mobile phones.

Posted by motvikt

On 2011-10-21 21:55:17, nikos_se wrote:
Given that xperia play,wasnt as big a success....i suspect we will see more tablets coming with suport for playstation suite,rather mobile phones.


Good guess. Probably. Hardware makers will slap the suite on their tablets, no real effort either.

Posted by smclion102

On 2011-10-21 21:55:17, nikos_se wrote:
Given that xperia play,wasnt as big a success....i suspect we will see more tablets coming with suport for playstation suite,rather mobile phones.


Blame it on for screwing PLAY... It was launched at a very very high Price if the price was below ARC then it would have been a hit and also there where very less games during Launch..

Posted by razec

On 2011-10-22 05:00:49, smclion102 wrote:

On 2011-10-21 21:55:17, nikos_se wrote:
Given that xperia play,wasnt as big a success....i suspect we will see more tablets coming with suport for playstation suite,rather mobile phones.


Blame it on for screwing PLAY... It was launched at a very very high Price if the price was below ARC then it would have been a hit and also there where very less games during Launch..


the play has nothing special apart from the software and the PSP keys which are irrelevant given that PS Suite could still work on just touchscreen, and Neo and Pro can outperform Play's imaging and display hands down while being much cheaper. So for a mere comfortable gaming experience SE was asking too much. Xperia Play should be priced the same or even lower than Xperia Mini Pro imo, and should have they done that before, the 3DS will never be a success and the game titles will flow like an unending stream,.. how frustrating it didn't happen that way
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2011-10-22 04:24 ]


Posted by nikos_se
So true.....given the specs of the device,it should never have launched for more than 300euros.After all,it targets teenagers,so it must be priced accordingly.

I think everyone here should agree that the arc should never have launched for more than 400euros,the neo/pro/play for more than 300euros,and the mini/minipro for more than 200euros.Sony Ericsson always screws with early adopters.

Posted by razec
Seems like we're lacking some info about Nozomi lately, also with Aoba, when can we have a new 12-16mp camera phone again. This was SE's strength since they started redeeming themselves after K850/C902/W902/C903 cameras disappointed us. SE likes trailing behind others lately, as if playing-safe, i kinda missed their bold attempts to wow the consumers, like what Satio did. i think that phone wasn't really a bad phone, if only it used a better OS.


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