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Posted by semo
I think that SE sales suffer MAINLY due to the bad reputation earned during previous years and LESS due to the hardware of the current line.
The majority of the people bying smartphones don't even know about cores and what they are good for.
Usualy they just want an Android phone from a reliable producer.
And they've heard that SE's android is not a good choice (thanks to the slow upgrades of the 2010 line), while both HTC and Samsung have a good reputation atm which is enough for many people to buy their phones.

In my opinion the current line of SE products is very well balanced (features/price) and not the big problem for them.
If they keep on bringing balanced products without major flaws they will be back at the top in a year or two.
Of course they should not lag in hardware, but being ahead is not the most critical for their sales.

IMO the only direction they should improve is in the build quality and choice of materials which should match their outstanding designs. This will make owners happy with their phones and the word will be spread.



Posted by Dups!
Absolutely Indiandawg!

After buying it make me the CEO and I'll kick every manufacturer's butt

Just one high-end phone is all they need, the rest can be mid to slightly high-end. A quad-core phone for next year and a lot of dual-core phones will be a decent portfolio. While at that, add a slightly high-end walkman with Sony audio hardware in there. Then in Q4 they just refresh the quad-core phone like they did with the arc by introducing the arc S.

This reminds me of those days when people in here said they didn't need a slow smartphone but were happy with SE's feature phone os. Well, we all know how SE fared back then, don't we? This in a way is similar, SE should be in the thick of things and not playing catch up or they'll risk being in the same position as back in 2006.

Posted by Dups!

On 2011-09-16 18:01:35, semo wrote:
I think that SE sales suffer MAINLY due to the bad reputation earned during previous years and LESS due to the hardware of the current line.
The majority of the people bying smartphones don't even know about cores and what they are good for.
Usualy they just want an Android phone from a reliable producer.
And they've heard that SE's android is not a good choice (thanks to the slow upgrades of the 2010 line), while both HTC and Samsung have a good reputation atm which is enough for many people to buy their phones.

In my opinion the current line of SE products is very well balanced (features/price) and not the big problem for them.
If they keep on bringing balanced products without major flaws they will be back at the top in a year or two.
Of course they should not lag in hardware, but being ahead is not the most critical for their sales.

IMO the only direction they should improve is in the build quality and choice of materials which should match their outstanding designs. This will make owners happy with their phones and the word will be spread.



The bad rep they got since 2006 did cause serious damage but I believe now in 2011 they have turned it around 80 percent. In fact, I think they did well with an X10 that was outdated in software, that phone was the first Xperia phone to really sell which suggested that they can sell well with a high-end device. The X10 was at the top of the pile in terms of high-ends so you can't say a high-end phone can't sell.

Yes, ordinary people don't know about processors but when they enter a shop they ask which is the better phone and the sales person (with his limited knowledge or one gained from the internet) will invariably tell the customer that the best specced phone is the best, the customer then will buy that.

SE needs that one phone that makes a statement. Remember people usually upgrade to the next best phone of the company, so, if the Xperia mini has been a solid entrance phone for a new SE customer he/she will likely move on to the next higher level and more than likely end up with the flagship.

It would not be in SE's interest to have new customers who love the mini and decide they want a high-end Xperia phone only to find that Samsung or HTC have better high-ends.

Posted by Indiandawg
Honestly I think SE does realize this. It's just their strategy is different after the loss they have faced. Or may be something else. How can a company not understand a high end smartphone who brought first smartphone in the world? It was P series and then Nokia joined with communicator. I really don't get it, why SE is going slow.

Posted by smclion102

On 2011-09-16 16:16:57, Indiandawg wrote:
Millions of Sony Ericsson fans should buy this company and apple will become history

It's true, but it's not possible!


+ Million For that

SOON we should start Bidding
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2011-09-17 08:54 ]


Posted by smclion102

On 2011-09-16 08:11:27, Dups! wrote:
Would be very nice and good for them if SE announce Nozomi (arc 2) in January for March release as it is expected or rumoured and then announce a 16mp flagship running on these quad-core processors at MWC for release, say, in June.




But dont you think People would Skip buyin Dual core and wait until 16mp+Quad when it is out and buy that??

Posted by smclion102

On 2011-09-16 18:06:40, Dups! wrote:
Absolutely Indiandawg!

After buying it make me the CEO and I'll kick every manufacturer's butt



+1 Dups as CEO of

Posted by Dups!

On 2011-09-17 10:04:35, smclion102 wrote:

On 2011-09-16 18:06:40, Dups! wrote:
Absolutely Indiandawg!

After buying it make me the CEO and I'll kick every manufacturer's butt



+1 Dups as CEO of




Well, thank you very much for the vote of confidence, smclion102! Takes a bow.

As for people skipping the Nozomi for the 16mp, quad-core phone, I don't see it happening since the price difference will play a role. If the rumour that the Nozomi will be cheap then it will be pretty affordable, I also understand why it will be cheaper than the competition, dual-core phones are now plenty and SE is coming to the game rather late. Chances are also high that Samsung and HTC will be on different processors when the Nozomi is announced so that also puts pressure on the Nozomi's price. I also think that from March to June is a pretty decent time for the Nozomi to make some money.

The June release will obviously be in the last week of that month.

Think of this as being the same situation as the Satio and Vivaz.

Then in November SE releases a refreshed version of the quad-core phone with a slightly overclocked processor and little tweaks here and there to take advantage of the holiday season.

Posted by HxH
Quad won't ready for mobile until late of 2012 as far as power consumption in mention
Dual core second gen @28nm will take a center stage for mobile and Quad probably go for tablet.

Why I have wasted my time reading about all daydream in rumour thread

Posted by randomuser

On 2011-09-17 11:49:38, HxH wrote:
Quad won't ready for mobile until late of 2012 as far as power consumption in mention
Dual core second gen @28nm will take a center stage for mobile and Quad probably go for tablet.

Why I have wasted my time reading about all daydream in rumour thread



Not really. There is at least 1 Quad Core Nvidia CPU equipped smartphone slated for launch Q4 this year. I think its a Chinese manufacturer don't really remember the name. HTC most probably will not but its highly likely Samsung and LG may also launch quad core smartphones by Q4 or maybe Q1 2012.

Posted by Dups!

On 2011-09-17 11:49:38, HxH wrote:
Quad won't ready for mobile until late of 2012 as far as power consumption in mention
Dual core second gen @28nm will take a center stage for mobile and Quad probably go for tablet.

Why I have wasted my time reading about all daydream in rumour thread



WRONG!

The estimates were the second half of next year but now it is late Q2.

As randomuser mentioned, Nvidia is going for it this year.
[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2011-09-17 13:19 ]


Posted by HxH
Remember about Tegra 2 in phone for first time? touted as world first dual core smartphone!

Where is it by now?

Nvidia is competent about power consumption, it very long long time since graphic cards battle with AMD-ATI.

and I really don't believe them.

Posted by djin
@HxH

tegra 3 is to have quad core while having same or lower power consumption and nvidia's latest 2nd gen fermi gfx have already improved.
To have an idea about nvidia's power consumption for mobile platforms, take a look at optimus..

Lg and htc have already announced 1.5 ghz dualcore.. when will se come up with dual core ?


Posted by king-james
Don't worry. Nobody can stop Samsung!

Galaxy S3 with 4x2GHz!!! http://www.gsmarena.com/purpo[....]i_specs_revealed-news-3149.php
[ This Message was edited by: king-james on 2011-09-18 02:40 ]


Posted by Ricky D
IF that Samsung were real SE would have to pull something out of a hat to keep this loyal fanboy.

Posted by Dups!
Those Sammy specs bar the screen res are realistic and there's nothing SE can do to compete with them as long as they are going about things the way they are. I doubt SE will match that phone.

It makes sense why Samsung have been flooding the market with different variations of the GSII with different dual-core processors ranging from 1.2 to 1.5Ghz. They knew they had a monster of a phone coming up.

SE could have beaten this one easily had the gone with daddy's processor, the ST-Ericsson A9600 and just added the 12mp camera from mommy.

Unless, of course, they are going to use my strategy of releasing their quad-core equipped 16mp camera phone in late June next year then they are going to hit Samsung hard seeing that the SGIII is slated for the second half of 2012.



Posted by pmugghc

On 2011-09-17 20:50:40, HxH wrote:
Remember about Tegra 2 in phone for first time? touted as world first dual core smartphone!

Where is it by now?


Actuallu the first dual-core phone that shipped last year was LG's Optimus 2X using Tegra 2! The Motorola's Atrix is another example. Of course most Android tablets are using the Tegra 2.

Posted by Ricky D
For me they wouldn't have to match or beat those specs, just be closer than current rumours suggest.

Posted by randomuser

On 2011-09-18 10:05:48, pmugghc wrote:

On 2011-09-17 20:50:40, HxH wrote:
Remember about Tegra 2 in phone for first time? touted as world first dual core smartphone!

Where is it by now?


Actuallu the first dual-core phone that shipped last year was LG's Optimus 2X using Tegra 2! The Motorola's Atrix is another example. Of course most Android tablets are using the Tegra 2.


Include Samsung Galaxy Z in there too

Posted by Dups!

On 2011-09-18 10:08:03, Ricky D wrote:
For me they wouldn't have to match or beat those specs, just be closer than current rumours suggest.



So true, as long as they come as close to the specs. It would be nice though for once to have SE having a flagship that is better than the competition.

It's been a while.

Posted by Indiandawg
Even Indian manufacturer is coming out with dual core smartphone.

http://www.themobileindian.co[....]l-core-CPU-and-Gesture-Control

Posted by mediar
What happened with the http://se-store.co.uk ? It doesn't show up in the Google's result pages, and when I try to open it directly via the address, it gives me "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to se-store.co.uk".

Posted by adsada

On 2011-09-19 18:56:45, mediar wrote:
What happened with the http://se-store.co.uk ? It doesn't show up in the Google's result pages, and when I try to open it directly via the address, it gives me "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to se-store.co.uk".




They've merged it with the main website so you can buy directly from the option where is shows the phones.

Posted by pmugghc
The first quad-core phone has been announced! They claim it's for the end of September, but they don't say anything about the chip-set. Perhaps that date is for the dual-core version:

Chinese Meizu MX quad-core smartphone gets priced and spec'd


Posted by bambarah
Xperia neo gets Android 2.3.4 update ahead of schedule

Posted by motvikt
hmm wonder if there is gonna be a successor to liveview. Hope they haven't canceled it. It was a great idea even tough it requires some sexier hardware and more stable software


Posted by mode
Actually, eventhough quad-core is welcome, dual-core would suffice if SE could offer people something no smartphone has been able to offer. AWESOME battery life. Just concentrate on that, like 3 days in between charging on moderate use, build a brand name on that (provided they keep up on the specs sheet) then they would have something to offer the people again rather than the very flimsy 'lifestyle' phone concept they're attempting to portray.

Posted by admad

On 2011-09-22 10:49:29, mode wrote:
Actually, eventhough quad-core is welcome, dual-core would suffice if SE could offer people something no smartphone has been able to offer. AWESOME battery life. Just concentrate on that, like 3 days in between charging on moderate use, build a brand name on that (provided they keep up on the specs sheet) then they would have something to offer the people again rather than the very flimsy 'lifestyle' phone concept they're attempting to portray.



True that, the race to the ultimate hardware is pretty much a dead road now, since the bad battery life, and poor camera performance. Xenon flash and bigger battery with dual-core, is all I want now. It don't need to be thin as hell... Also better heat management is also needed. I can't use my phone as GPS navigation on sunny day since it overheats and battery won't charge after hitting 50C. That's pretty lame, my good old P990i didn't have this problem

Posted by randomuser
I'm afraid the nozomi is going to turn out to be the same as Arc next year - a quasi flagship that does not measure up to the true Samsung and HTC flagships

Posted by lewko
SE has always taken different strategies then its counterparts and most of times they were right.
There is no point for SE to take part in "core" race as there is no software to use those. And there will not be for a long time (at least next half year).
SE has always focused on customer experience and they should keep the Xperia range that way. Until Android ICS is out, no phone can take advantage of the dual core hardware. I would very much like to see the faces of owners of LG Optimus 2x, when the company will say "sorry no ICS for you guys", which i think will happen.

What SE should be focusing more on (and is doing great in their Xperia 2011 range) is to enhance the Android user experience. Focus on camera and video options, run exclusive games for their devices only, enhance Timescape and themes, etc...

This is a way how to stand above the crowd where everyone is using the same HW (Qualcomm, Nvidia, TI OMAP), which is btw. way too powerful for todays software, and also the same base of operating system.

What brings me to that conclusion? I use X10 with now nearly 2 years old Snapdragon, Adreno 200, 384 MB RAM, stock 2.3.3 and I have never experienced any serious lags or downloaded an application that i coudlnt run due to HW constrains! Moreover I play Galaxy on Fire 2 (SE Xperia Play version) on this device seamlessly!!! And that is one of the best looking games around for any platform...

Posted by randomuser
^
It has been explained time and again that it is absolutely necessary to be in the harware race to be successful and profitable in the long run. Why would people buy dual core when they can get Samsung/HTC/Moto/LG quad core for same price or slightly more ?

Yes we fans will but we don't make even 2% of the total market. The rest 98% will go by specs and there loses out. And software/user experience is not the best either. HTC sense is superior to UI.

Take example of Galaxy S2 and Xperia Arc. GS2 has probably outsold Arc by more than 5 times.!!!!
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2011-09-22 12:25 ]


Posted by nikos_se
Comparing xperia arc and galaxy s2,the only big difference i can find is in the processor(1GHZ/512MB compared to 2x1.2GHZ/1GB),yet the xperia arc can be found for as low as 330EUR,while the lowest price galaxy s2 can be found is 460EUR.Had sony ericsson used the msm8260(2x1.2ghz),arc would have at least double the sales,while now its price wouldn't be lower than 400eur,thus generating more revenue.!!!!

All i hope is that sony ericsson will realise this year mistakes and fix them in next year portfolio.

Posted by lewko
I dont think people buy SGS II because of "dual core processor".
They buy it because
- "screen has nice colors" - despite the fact that colors are distored and not real
- "it looks like Iphone", but bigger
- "its UI mimics" Iphone", but allows me to insert SD card with music and stuff..

80% of folks have no understanding of technology, they buy, beacuse of "user experience" and "somebody told them"...
That is why Nokia was so succesfull in times of "dumb-phones", they really can be controled and used by "dumbs"...
That is why mainly Apple is successfull in first place. Plus the elegant design.


Posted by randomuser

On 2011-09-22 14:06:16, lewko wrote:
I dont think people buy SGS II because of "dual core processor".
They buy it because
- "screen has nice colors" - despite the fact that colors are distored and not real
- "it looks like Iphone", but bigger
- "its UI mimics" Iphone", but allows me to insert SD card with music and stuff..

80% of folks have no understanding of technology, they buy, beacuse of "user experience" and "somebody told them"...
That is why Nokia was so succesfull in times of "dumb-phones", they really can be controled and used by "dumbs"...
That is why mainly Apple is successfull in first place. Plus the elegant design.



I don't agree with the statements you have made. People buy GS2 because its the best, the fastest and the most powerful Android phone there is. There is no phone that offers a faster, smoother web browsing and multimedia experience than the GS2. And all that is due to the good dual core CPU and 1GB RAM.

As nikos wrote, had the Arc been dual core it would have probably sold at least as much as the GS2 if not more.

Posted by adsada
Not really much point in arguing in market trends, because no one really knows why each consumer bought the SG2 we can only speculate. But their advertising campaign was really clever, and got straight to the point. the main poster showed 3 sections, slimmer faster brighter. Simple, yet gets to the point about why its such a good phone. Also the fact its the 2nd generation of the original SG, means improvements have been made so its likely to be better. Compare that with the arc's "visually brilliant android smartphone" that's great, but it's not gonna make you go out and buy one.

Of course I went for the arc, because imo I felt it was the better phone for me and I like SE .

Posted by Ricky D
I thought it was quite obvious that Apple are so successful due to their meticulous marketing and brand image that has been formed over the last decade or so. Their brand image transcends all other manufacturer's because they reach into so many other fields and show quality in their products in those fields.

Take for example the MacBook Air and compare it to a Vaio or a Samsung laptop 3 years ago (when the MBA was released), take the iPod and and compare it to a Walkman of 2001. The point is that iPhones sell well because they've always shown quality and consistency in their products. Samsung (mobile division) are currently piggy backing on iPhone's design success and Google's android success, they've not got the brand perception but they are better at copying than other brands so they are selling better than others (in the mobile market).

HTC on the other hand are more innovative in design (although I think they require an acquired taste), their sense UI is original and that's why they're selling well. They are creating a strong brand image by keeping consistency in their design, naming structure and quality. People know what they'e getting when they buy an HTC.

SE have have changed their CEO every year that I remember, they've lacked consistency producing some star handsets and some real stinkers, their design theme changes every year. This is why they are failing. People are scared to buy an SE (even if the fear is subconscious) because they don't know if it'll be a good one or a bad one.

Admittedly the last two years of the X10, minis, Arc and to a lesser extent Play. Have been consistent in design theme and reasonable (not the best, but only needs to be close) hardware, but it will take 3-4 years of this sort of consistency to build the brand back to former glories. Not because that's the time to 'catch-up' but that's the time it takes to build a brand image and convince the public your brand isn't sh.. That's the time it takes for a few people's contract to run out, to get an SE and to show their mates that it's good and they should buy one when their contract runs out. edit:of course these things go on top of things which should be standard like minimum 1.5 years of updates and stable FW

Back on topic. Can anyone who's seen or played with 'the next best thing' from SE say if the current designs are being kept true? I don't mean carbon copies but a similar theme to the X10 and arc.
[ This Message was edited by: Ricky D on 2011-09-22 16:53 ]


Posted by sambouka
Arc S is available on ebay !

http://cgi.ebay.fr/New-Sony-E[....]=item4aaf043f66#ht_4260wt_1135

Posted by king-james
We waiting for NOZOMI, we all have already the ARC!!! S for Shame!

Posted by Indiandawg

On 2011-09-22 22:27:23, king-james wrote:
We waiting for NOZOMI, we all have already the ARC!!! S for Shame!


Why do you think that Sony Ericsson makes phones only for you? I've been waiting for Arc S like a month now. I am hating my spare phone which is Blackberry. Its like going back to 90s.

Anyway, so now the wait is almost over. It should release very soon now. I need ANDROID back again!

Posted by razec

On 2011-09-22 13:23:54, randomuser wrote:

Yes we fans will but we don't make even 2% of the total market. :es: loses out. And software/user experience is not the best either.



Almost all Xperia 2011 phones are fast, fluid and responsive while looking neat and pretty - that's the way we should describe best user experience.

Take example of Galaxy S2 and Xperia Arc. GS2 has probably outsold Arc by more than 5 times.!!!!


Yes, it's because GS2, no matter how you look at it, still has iPhone-inspired (i make it less harsh) styling in it, and many people think (including me) that iphone is beautiful. you can't find any iPhone inspired styling on Arc. Samsung used to be unique way back 2002-2008 and they've proven that they know how to experiment. but what about now?

The rest 98% will go by specs and there


most iphone users do not know that their phone is single core, and many did not notice any UI speed difference between Galaxy S2 and it, it all boils down to the optimizations and etc etc, as of this moment gingerbread can't use Dual Core, and i kept on saying this to people who seemed to be awestrucked by something they don't clearly understand. if you own a SE Arc and a GS2 try pressing the home button on both and see how come GS2 despite its "Dual Core" can't go back to home screen faster or at least as fast as the Arc.

HTC sense is superior to UI.


SE did have one of the best and most unique UIs with X10 (way better than most of the competition), but it slowed them down so much when updating Android versions. and this is now happening to HTC, LG and Samsung, SE now have the fastest updates of all the manufacturers excluding google, but without making their UI look pale or "copycat" like Samsung or LG. at least HTC is serious in updating the Android versions with their phones.
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2011-09-23 03:57 ]


Posted by randomuser
^
Guys please do not compare Apple with . Apple is almost a religion and not a "brand". So comparing Apple hardware/software with is nothing but stupidity.
Iphone users are probably the greatest loyal fan base in the mobile market, do have that to get away with sub par hardware and features? NO!
So stop all these baseless comparisons.

Posted by lolstebbo

On 2011-09-22 13:23:54, randomuser wrote:
And software/user experience is not the best either. HTC sense is superior to UI.


Sense and TouchWiz take a very different approach towards skinning Android than what SE's 2011 interface does. Whereas HTC and Samsung are using Android more for its ecosystem and completely using their own UI, SE's is one of the lightest as far as customizations go. So like what Razec says, this allows SE to push out updates much more quickly for the 2011 Xperias than HTC and Samsung. Unfortunately, this comes at the expense of significant differentiation and unique features. But it doesn't make SE's any less functional.

Posted by razec

On 2011-09-23 05:21:19, randomuser wrote:
^
Guys please do not compare Apple with . Apple is almost a religion and not a "brand". So comparing Apple hardware/software with is nothing but stupidity.
Iphone users are probably the greatest loyal fan base in the mobile market, do have that to get away with sub par hardware and features? NO!
So stop all these baseless comparisons.


There were some points in your argument that are not true. Admit it or not the current iPhone user base right now is composed not just by the Apple ultraloyalists. In fact my friends (who are examples of non-technical people unlike us) have only heard about Apple when i told them that the iPhone, iPods and Macbooks were made by the Apple Inc. even our beloved masseur here in esato owns an iPhone even when he himself is not a loyal fan of Apple. i personally hate Apple as a brand but that doesn't stop me from saying that iphone 4 is simple and beautiful. and Samsung wants to capitalize on what people sees as the trend thats why they made several attempts at imitating iphone's form and UI styling that later backfires. it's your argument that makes no sense imho. I find the hardware on Arc and other Xperia phones fine, the only model that disappointed me was the Play as i believe Adreno 205 is not enough to make the ultimate mobile gaming machine, they should've gone for an SoC that's got faster GPU.
[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2011-09-23 04:45 ]


Posted by masseur
totally agree with razec

... and even if Apple was a "religion" (see discussion of that here) that doesn't stop their actual hardware and software being objectively compared with hardware and software of other companies

Posted by randomuser
The problem is most members here are fanboys (me included) but that does not mean we become overly optimistic and equate with Apple.

The profits/sales/market share of Apple and are proof of that fact. Tell me one reason why an average joe should buy a dual core nozomi when he can buy quad core/faster duak core Samsung/HTC/Iphone5 ? And sadly now the camera edge of phones is also lost so saying "superior" camera also won't cut it.

Heck, even Sony Android walkman seems as powerful as Nozomi!!!!!

And I have yet to hear any reviewer/users say that they think SE Android UXP is the best and better than HTC Sense.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2011-09-23 09:52 ]


Posted by pmugghc
Nvidia has published a couple of white papers for their quad core. Interesting, it's actually using LESS power than a comparable dual-core!

http://www.nvidia.com/content[....]ers/tegra-whitepaper-0911b.pdf
http://www.nvidia.com/content[....]ers/tegra-whitepaper-0911a.pdf

Posted by Indiandawg

On 2011-09-23 10:51:11, randomuser wrote:
The problem is most members here are fanboys (me included) but that does not mean we become overly optimistic and equate with Apple.

The profits/sales/market share of Apple and are proof of that fact. Tell me one reason why an average joe should buy a dual core nozomi when he can buy quad core/faster duak core Samsung/HTC/Iphone5 ? And sadly now the camera edge of phones is also lost so saying "superior" camera also won't cut it.

Heck, even Sony Android walkman seems as powerful as Nozomi!!!!!

And I have yet to hear any reviewer/users say that they think SE Android UXP is the best and better than HTC Sense.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2011-09-23 09:52 ]



Forget HTC/Samsung users, I've had iPhone users saying my previous phone X10 had the best UXP they had ever seen. When SE released Facebook inside, they all wanted that feature.

-----

There is only 1 drawback and 1 complaint against SE, hardware!

SE is indeed the best and I'm not a fan boy of any product or OS. A good product is when everything meets 9/10, if not 10/10. With Samsung and HTC, the design is too plain and if this generation is looking for OS updates with lot's of features and also faster hardware, they are also looking for design which only SE and Apple understands in the whole mobile industry, while SE understands even better than Apple.

Market shares and other stuff does not matter. It's for now and not forever. I had said this thing before, once the hardware boost bubble will burst, everybody is going to look for a phone like Arc or Neo. Cause these phones make sense. They worth it. When one spends on a product, they want it to feel nice about what they got. It's called the experience of having that product and majority of SE users will tell you, they had a good time with the phone they had. Of course specs do matter and SE is not far behind. They are just lacking hardware and I'm sure there has to be a reason behind it.

Look at Apple, when they had those colorful monitors at start, it looked spectacular but nobody went for it. Nobody really accepted cause Windows was all around and everybody found it too hard to leave windows just for that colorful monitors. After a decade, people have accepted Apple.

It's the trend, even if you get the best product according to you, it won't sell if it's out at the wrong time. SE badly needs to come out with a powerful hardware smartphone cause that's the trend. Even so many users out here don't much give a damn about the design that makes so much of difference while using the phone. It changes the whole experience of using the phone. But that's not the trend. The trend is to have a fast phone, snappy, quick, responsive and able to customize and tweak anything you want. It just goes like that with majority of the people around the world.

Posted by motvikt

On 2011-09-25 19:22:37, aurelius wrote:
I know this isn't an HTC thread but many have asked when the first phone powered by ST-Ericsson U8500 will ship, now is the time. An HTC Sensation for Chinese market powered by U8500. Got this from my friend at ST-E.

http://detail.zol.com.cn/pict[....]5/index6241381_0_p283076.shtml




Nice! Funny, HTC not only beats SE when it comes to qualcomm, but also when it come to ST ericsson

Posted by pmugghc
Strange, Reuters site claims it's a A9500, dual core running at 1GHz:

http://www.reuters.com/articl[....]S25004+26-Sep-2011+HUG20110926

Posted by motvikt
http://www.stericsson.com/press_releases/HTC_sensation.jsp

I think its safe to say it will be 9500


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