Posted by aamwng
Sony ericsson nozomi will be running android ice-cream sandwich (v4.0), 12MP camera.
announce : Jan 2012
release : March 2012 (just like the arc)
http://sebbs.it168.com/thread-3396353-1-1.html (For those who can read chinese)
Posted by tai020381
Wow!!~ Duo core running and optimized with ice-cream!!~ If thats the case the rest can really f**k spider~~~
Posted by smclion102
On 2011-09-05 17:17:57, aamwng wrote:
Sony ericsson nozomi will be running android ice-cream sandwich (v4.0), 12MP camera.
announce : Jan 2012
release : March 2012 (just like the arc)
http://sebbs.it168.com/thread-3396353-1-1.html (For those who can read chinese)
Pretty Obvious it will have Icecream sandwich
wont be late in OS race 
But Hardware 
is the only issue..
Hopefully 2012 will be best for
with latest OS n Harware ..
12mp which ain't Exmor R??
Posted by Dups!
I cannot read Chinese but I see the 32GB of memory is still there. SE is known for skimping on memory but if that is true on the huge memory then this is going to be an interesting SE device.
I just wish they went with a 16mp camera seeing that quite a few phones will be running on that same hardware, some possibly even better. Sticking a 16mp camera in there would've differentiated them a little bit better imo.
Posted by arcmhyke
Translated with Google
will be equipped with 4.3-inch 1280 * 720 (16:9) touch screen (342ppi), equipped with high-pass frequency dual-core 1.5GHz processor, built-in 1GB RAM and 32GB ROM memory capacity space, with a newly developed 12-megapixel Exmor R camera components, and provide a 1750mAh capacity battery and a micro-SIM card slot.
Nozomi this phone will be released in January 2012, listed in March 2012, will run the Android 4.0 that the Ice Cream Sandwich system, the price is not disclosed.
Nozomi this phone will be released in January 2012, listed in March 2012, will run the Android 4.0 that the Ice Cream Sandwich system, the price is not disclosed.
Posted by >500
others may still be using dual core then. Though, if samsung, htc etc make the jump to, lets say, quad core, then will ICS allow quad cores to run at their full potential? Or will it be the same case as the dual cores, where gingerbread isnt really fully optimised for them?
If so, then the dual core in march wont be so bad, even if the others are on quad. id rather have fully compatible software for the hardware im running!
Posted by Dups!
@mhyke
Thanks! I always forget about Google translator. I suppose the processor(s) is/are Qualcomm's. I personally don't like Qualcomm's processors but prefer TI OMAP, wouldn't even mind ST-Ericsson's.
@>500
Quad-core processors are due in the second half of next year, apparently around September/October. What I am referring to as 'maybe even better' are dual-core processors running at 1.8Ghz or more. For instance, ST-Ericsson's processors are dual-core, 1.8Ghz to 2.5Ghz with PowerVR Series 6.
One thing I am pretty sure of is that SE will optimize this beautifully if the arc is anything to go by.
The problem, as I have mentioned a couple of times, is the perception created by the super specced phone A compared to phone B.
Forget Motorola and LG, they are useless at optimizing any software, they have been since inception. The thing is among Samsung, HTC and SE specs will play a role in sales.
SE still carries quite a lot of hype with their devices.
[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2011-09-05 18:19 ]
Posted by marcink
Nozomi's direct competitors will probably be equipped with: Samsung: 2 core 28nm 2ghz Exynos HTC: 2 core Krait based 1.8GHZ 28nm cpu paired with adreno 225. I don't believe SE could win with those two in eny department, except for design:(
Posted by motvikt
On 2011-09-05 19:17:02, Dups! wrote:
@mhyke
Thanks! I always forget about Google translator. I suppose the processor(s) is/are Qualcomm's. I personally don't like Qualcomm's processors but prefer TI OMAP, wouldn't even mind ST-Ericsson's.
@>500
Quad-core processors are due in the second half of next year, apparently around September/October. What I am referring to as 'maybe even better' are dual-core processors running at 1.8Ghz or more. For instance, ST-Ericsson's processors are dual-core, 1.8Ghz to 2.5Ghz with PowerVR Series 6.
One thing I am pretty sure of is that SE will optimize this beautifully if the arc is anything to go by.
The problem, as I have mentioned a couple of times, is the perception created by the super specced phone A compared to phone B.
Forget Motorola and LG, they are useless at optimizing any software, they have been since inception. The thing is among Samsung, HTC and SE specs will play a role in sales.
SE still carries quite a lot of hype with their devices.
[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2011-09-05 18:19 ]
When SE release their dualcore it will probably be similar to the competition. The problem is when new hardware arrives, new better dualcores and quadcores, samsung and specially HTC will release a phone without caring about their precious flagship. SE have to fixed release dates and should be more flexible and sync it with new hardware instead
Posted by smclion102
Schmidt admits Motorola buyout is also for hardware
Google's Eric Schmidt has for the first time revealed that the buyout of Motorola was not just so the search giant had rights to the company's myriad patents but due to its hardware too.
Speaking at a Salesforce.com conference, Schmidt explained Google's decision to make its biggest ever payout for Motorola: "We did it for more than just patents.
"We actually believe that the Motorola team has some amazing products coming....We're excited to have the product line, to use the Motorola brand, the product architecture, the engineers."
The way Schmidt is talking about the hardware means that we may well see some Googorola handsets in the near future.
Apple VS Google ???
is
in trouble now??More trouble for 
Source
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2011-09-05 20:47 ]
Posted by ^^HAMID^^
I caught this from that Chinese site :
...not the 8260 45nm, 28nm but the 8260a, dual-core Krait architecture, clocked at 1.5, with 1MB of L2 cache and 2 × 500MHz LPDDR2 dual channel memory, built-Adreno 225 GPU
What do you get from that? eventually 28nm or not? Krait or no? ...
Posted by aamwng
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What do you mean? What page on the it168 site?
if se is using 8260 (45nm) and not 8260A (28nm) in nozomi, i am going to leave se!
8260A has dual channel memory too, something that is still absent in the market!
Posted by king-james
@back2you
Nozomi is not the Duo. If it is, then your rumors were wrong! Cause the specs are different. Nozomi is the ARC Successor...
Posted by Dups!
On 2011-09-06 00:02:00, aamwng wrote:
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What do you mean? What page on the it168 site?
if se is using 8260 (45nm) and not 8260A (28nm) in nozomi, i am going to leave se!
8260A has dual channel memory too, something that is still absent in the market!
Difficult to interpret a statement like the above as it is 'incomplete' but it suggests that SE will be using the 8260a.
Posted by ^^HAMID^^
@ aamwng
I took it from that topic about nozomi (page 3 probably) ... which I think yourself posted it's link.
That's google translation and not that good! IMO he says Nozomi will use a 8260a which uses 28 nm and Krait architecture ... as Dups said...
Posted by Dups!
The ST-Ericsson dual-core Nova A9600 runs at 2.5Ghz and is 28nm.
Imagine if SE were to use that for this phone. Nobody would touch them for a while with such a monster.
Posted by pmugghc
On 2011-09-05 19:17:02, Dups! wrote:
Quad-core processors are due in the second half of next year
I think that refers to Qualcomm and TI. Nvidia will actually deliver quad cores for tablets at the end of this year and quads for phones in the first half of 2012.
See e.g. Androidcentral.
[ This Message was edited by: pmugghc on 2011-09-06 13:39 ]
Posted by Dups!
^^
Damn!!
But, realistically, can manufacturers be ready with their phones in Q2 with those?
[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2011-09-06 13:55 ]
Posted by HxH
I doubt that will end up same as Tegra 2 in mobile segment, where is it now LG Optimus 2X??? hype of world first dual core phone
I wonder if Sony can inject money investment to ST-Ericcson to developing this monster platform instead to partner up with Nvidia?
Posted by Hsiao
four unannounced phones's size: 133 x 68 x 10 ;133 x 66 x 13;181 x 99 x 9;130 x 65 x 8
believable.
via
[ This Message was edited by: Hsiao on 2011-09-06 16:35 ]
Posted by HxH
I bet two of these if they have an existing now, will be WP7 slide-out keyboard & full touch
Posted by Dups!
181X99X9????
Is that a typo? That seems way too big!
Posted by aamwng
a tablet?
Posted by bambarah
On 2011-09-06 18:01:35, Dups! wrote:
181X99X9????
Is that a typo? That seems way too big!
Something like Galaxy Note
Posted by arcmhyke
Taken from XDA developers
Advantages of Snapdragon SoC and Adreno 205
I found that quite a number of people online were critical about Xperia PLAY, so I decided to write this to drive away the misconceptions!
There are several reasons why Xperia PLAY is the perfect gaming and multimedia smartphone, as given below:
1. Advantages of Snapdragon SoC (Scorpion Processor and Adreno GPU):
Xperia Play has a single-core 1GHz Snapdragon processor and an Adreno 205 GPU, however this doesn't put it behind the other SoC's out there (explained below)
Many people believe Adreno to be weaker than NVIDIA Tegra2 or PowerVR, but that isn't the case!
The truth is that the latter two seem good on paper and benchmarks, but their practical performance isn't up to the mark.
i. Adreno GPU is efficient and powerful:
Game developers find Adreno a better GPU when it comes to complex game effects. It handles them in a faster, better and power efficient way.
ii. Adreno is friendly to the battery:
Consider NVIDIA's Tegra2 GPU, which requires a heavy dependance on the CPU for it's optimal performance, and that reduces it's battery efficiency.
Follow the link in Techdread's thread to find a thorough comparison from Game developers' point of view.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1243036
iii. Snapdragon SoC has hidden tricks up it's sleeve
Adreno GPU and Scorpion CPU has some really cool optimizations up it's sleeve, which makes it better in most tasks than the other options.
e.g. Adreno has support for Hardware acceleration in Flash content. In a video test result, Snapdragon on Xperia Arc played a 720p Youtube video perfectly, whereas other major dual-core devices lagged!
See video below:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/15/qual...premecy-video/
Paul Jacobs, Qualcomm's boss says that Single core snapdragon with latest drivers outperform the current dual core processors.
"Looking at benchmarking tests for our single core product, it outperforms against dual core products from our competitors,’ said Jacbos.
He added: ‘The performance that you can get is literally much more than just counting the number of cores on a chip - it about how these cores work together seamlessly and efficiently. Compared to our competitors' [dual-core chips] they use 50 to 75 per cent more power to deliver the same perfomace compared to our single-core CPUs.’
iv. Snapdragon has DEVELOPER SUPPORT
Snapdragon is widely being supported by developers and alot of games for it are being made.
What hardware advantage does any SoC give the device if it has little developer support??
How many times have you seen these words on game threads: Make this for SGS2 please!!
v. Xperia series has the latest drivers for Snapdragon and Adreno, getting the most out of them.
(vi. BONUS : Custom kernel from DoomLord can boost the already-so-efficient CPU to 1.9 GHz B-) )
2. Dual-Channel RAM:
Xperia Play is the currently the only device that possesses a dual channel DDR2 memory working at 300 Hertz. This increases the performance as data can be passed much faster between components such as the CPU and the GPU, and enables it to perform heavy duty tasks optimally, and to keep a constant 60fps refresh rate in games.
3. PlayStation Controls:
Of course everyone knows what this is about
The physical controls are of great advantage in gaming for obvious reasons.
The virtual analog controls got mixed reviews, however they are awesome in my opinion. I always find myself using them rather than the buttons.
Moreover, they can also be used for key mapping in emulators, giving a great plus value!
4. Havok Game Engine:
Don't miss out this beast!
Havok game engine has debuted on Android via Xperia Play. This helps developers make great games with accurate physics and realism!
About Havok:
Havok™, an Intel® company , was founded in Dublin, Ireland in 1998, and is the premier provider of interactive software and services for digital media creators in the games and movie industries. Havok works in partnership with the world ’s best
known game developers, including Microsoft®, Nintendo®, and Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Havok’ s cross- platform, professionally supported technology is available for the Xbox 360™ video game and entertainment system, PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, PSP® (PlayStation ®Portable), Xperia™ PLAY, Wii™, PC Games for Windows.
Havok’s combination of superior technology and dedication to delivering for its customers has led to the company’ s technologies being used in over 300 of the world’ s best known game titles, including Halo Reach, Assassin’ s Creed Brotherhood, Epic Mickey, Fallout New Vegas, Uncharted 2 , Demon’s Soul and Bioshock 2 . A further 130 games are in development. Havok products have also been used to drive special effects in movies such as Clash of the Titans, Watchmen, Quantum of Solace, Harry Potter and The Order of The Phoenix, and The Matrix. Havok has offices in Dublin, San Francisco , Copenhagen, Calcutta, Munich, and Tokyo.
5. 3d Stereo speakers with xLoud
Gaming isn't fun without good sound effects. Many people entirely depend on their headsets for gaming and multimedia, due to the lack of good speakers in the phone.
Xperia Play's speakers, especially after the xLoud update, are AWESOME. You wouldn't need to depend on your headsets for gaming anymore, the speakers really take care of all!
They are also perfect for watching movies or listening to songs.
6. Xperia PLAY exclusives and game library
Sony Ericsson has made deals with a great number of game companies, including Gameloft, EA, Glu and Polarbit. A great number of games are out in no time at all, and more are on their way.
Often, Xperia Play gets the game a month or two earlier than the other Android models.
Xperia Play also has PlayStation titles coming to it, and Sony Ericsson recently announced more AAA titles to be on their way.
Xperia Play's massive game library is much larger than Tegra's.
7. Sony Ericsson's multimedia and entertainment experience:
Sony Ericsson provides a unique, unparalleled experience in multimedia and entertainment fields. It has got a great deal of experience from Cybershot and Walkman products, and has always been ahead of the other brands in these categories.
Xperia PLAY, with it's awesome sound quality and a decent camera reflects these results. The camera, though not SE's best, is still decent overall and faster than the other Android models.
I have the experience of developing top camdrivers for SE's cybershot series, and find that Xperia Play's camera is pretty decent.
Other SE goodies like TimeScape, Facebook inside Xperia etc. are also great if you use them.
I have to Agree specially with this one
How many times have you seen these words on game threads: Make this for SGS2 please!!
Most Games Out there are Optimized on any Snapdragon SoC, and I do see lot of people posting this kind of Threads/Reply in Game Sites
I do play a lot with my Xperia Arc, I just hope that they also made Arc with Dual-Channel RAM just like the Play.
[ This Message was edited by: mhyke on 2011-09-06 18:13 ]
Posted by Dups!
Gsmarena thinks the Galaxy SII records and plays back video better than the arc which means better than the Play as well.
So, who's fooling who?
Posted by Dups!
On 2011-09-06 18:30:10, bambarah wrote:
On 2011-09-06 18:01:35, Dups! wrote:
181X99X9????
Is that a typo? That seems way too big!
Something like Galaxy Note
The Note is 141x83x9.3, so this (if it is not a typo) is huge.
@aamwng
The last information mentioned that SE will not be releasing any tablets. Who knows, maybe things have since changed but I doubt it.
Posted by adsada
On 2011-09-06 19:15:41, Dups! wrote:
On 2011-09-06 18:30:10, bambarah wrote:
On 2011-09-06 18:01:35, Dups! wrote:
181X99X9????
Is that a typo? That seems way too big!
Something like Galaxy Note
The Note is 141x83x9.3, so this (if it is not a typo) is huge.
@aamwng
The last information mentioned that SE will not be releasing any tablets. Who knows, maybe things have since changed but I doubt it.
Nah sony would never allow it, to compete against their own branded tablets?
Posted by HxH
@Mhyke
Thanks for this superb explanation!!
Posted by pmugghc
On 2011-09-06 14:53:18, Dups! wrote:
But, realistically, can manufacturers be ready with their phones in Q2 with those?
[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2011-09-06 13:55 ]
I think the manufacturers who have used Tegra2 can do it, since the have the skills for the Tegra SoCs. So far I think it's only Samsung and LG. But LG stumbled badly with the O2X so they don't have any momentum. Samsung has the resources to do it I think, but they have their own in-house Exonys too, not sure when that will go quad.
Posted by Dups!
I don't see Samsung using that processor. Already they have postponed their dual-core, 1.5Ghz Galaxy SII LTE to Q2 next year. And then, as you also pointed, their in-house Exonys will probably be their next big thing.
LG are rubbish! I expect them to close shop soon. They should just concentrate on fridges, tv, microwaves and the like.
Posted by pmugghc
On 2011-09-07 07:05:18, Dups! wrote:
I don't see Samsung using that processor. Already they have postponed their dual-core, 1.5Ghz Galaxy SII LTE to Q2 next year.
Samsung is using the Tegra2 at least in the Galaxy R, see e.g. Anandtech., there was some talk that some SGS2 models for certain markets would use Tegra2 too. If you notice their recent announcements they are very careful about not telling the brand of the CPU (SoC). Perhaps Samsung has problems producing their Exonys in sufficient volumes ?
I suspect the delay of the LTE has more to do with the LTE radio itself (battery life ?) rather than the CPU.
But another interesting aspect is this: What role will TI's OMAP 44x0 line play for Samsung, since it's rumored that ICS will use that platform first ?
Posted by goldenface
@mhyke
Thanks for that post above. I think the Play gets somewhat of a bad press - undeservedly. In actual usage it's quite a performer, great cam and sound.
The gaming just adds a whole new dimension and
has ensured it has been fully supported with now over 150 optimised games as well as the many on Market.
It's a pity it gets a negative press because if
decides to design and release a successor - which it is rumoured to be doing, we can look forward to something amazing coming our way.
Posted by arcmhyke
Not just Bad Press, also the Launch Price was too High, Pricier than the Arc(SE Flagship)
So what would people think that Xplay can offer them with Mediocre Offerings on Multimedia(No 8MP Exmor R, No HD Recording, No Bravia Engine, No HDMI Port) Right?
They Just Offer a Physical Controller over Touch Screen, and it's no more than that, they didn't even bother to say that Play uses Dual DDR2 Channel which will differentiate Play more than Other Xperia's Out there, It can handle more Task and Play Games Smoother
People will Disagree that SE not Using Dual Core to Play Games Smoother and Faster, They don't have any idea what's Inside Xplay
but Now Xplay is Gaining some Momentum Specially after the Last Update .368 which really boost all Xperia Phones Right now and 2.3.4 is just around the corner and More Optimised Games will be Available including the Playstation Suite is about to open This Quarter
[ This Message was edited by: mhyke on 2011-09-07 10:33 ]
Posted by motvikt
edit. nvm
[ This Message was edited by: motvikt on 2011-09-07 12:48 ]
Posted by Dups!
The question is what is this new phone going to be named. Xperia Arc duo?
I quite like the unique arched back and wouldn't mind a line of Xperia arcs. They coud be the flagship of the company.
Hmmm... I just thought of an Xperia arc quad.
On second thought, that just sounds all odd. Maybe just arc followed by the number, they won't sound like Samsung anymore since Samsung has changed its naming system.
Posted by eurisko
On 2011-09-05 18:29:08, Dups! wrote:
I cannot read Chinese but I see the 32GB of memory is still there. SE is known for skimping on memory but if that is true on the huge memory then this is going to be an interesting SE device.
I just wish they went with a 16mp camera seeing that quite a few phones will be running on that same hardware, some possibly even better. Sticking a 16mp camera in there would've differentiated them a little bit better imo.
I can read Chinese
The CPU is Qualcomm 8260a (28nm/ Krait ) 1.5GHz，Adreno 225 GPU
Posted by Dups!
Thank you very much, eurisko!!
That sheds a lot of light.
Posted by ^^HAMID^^
@eurisko
Oh thanks!
could you please check the validity of the source? how much we can relay on it?
If it has Krait architecture I think it can compete with others...
Posted by bambarah
Sony Ericsson Nozomi leaks again, dual-core processor and 720p display confirmed
Posted by Hsiao
On 2011-09-06 19:15:41, Dups! wrote:
On 2011-09-06 18:30:10, bambarah wrote:
On 2011-09-06 18:01:35, Dups! wrote:
181X99X9????
Is that a typo? That seems way too big!
Something like Galaxy Note
The Note is 141x83x9.3, so this (if it is not a typo) is huge.
@aamwng
The last information mentioned that SE will not be releasing any tablets. Who knows, maybe things have since changed but I doubt it.
the monster,they call it “big phone”.
The 13mm thick one maybe Xperia Play 2nd Gen.
Posted by Dups!
So, it's not a typo? Yeah, they should call it the monster, that is absurd! How are people going to look like with a 181mm phone?
At least SE will make an impression with this phone, whether good or bad remains to be seen.
Posted by bart
if the rumors are true the phone will be out in 6 months. But we know that SE always delay's things and the the competition is and has been ahead the last years.
So stop dreaming guys.
Posted by motvikt
On 2011-09-07 21:22:59, bart wrote:
if the rumors are true the phone will be out in 6 months. But we know that SE always delay's things and the the competition is and has been ahead the last years.
So stop dreaming guys.
Thats a myth about SE that wont die. Truth is that they almost every time release the phone when said, maybe stretching their release plan to the limit (read last day of quarter or month), but on time nonetheless. There are however exceptions; X2 was late, and xperia pro has been dalayed due to the earthquake.
The myth began with Satio, which WASNT LATE, just announced very early (which used to be SEs problem)
Posted by eurisko
On 2011-09-07 18:24:58, ^^HAMID^^ wrote:
@eurisko
Oh thanks!
could you please check the validity of the source? how much we can relay on it?
If it has Krait architecture I think it can compete with others...
Another source(Japan) say the CPU is ST-Ericsson Nova A9500
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ARM® Dual Cortex-A9 with NEON @ 1GHz
ARM Mali 400-1 @ 400MHz
1GByte LP-DDR2
Posted by Dups!
But the A9500 is dual 1.2Ghz and is in 45nm.
I'm beginning to think that may be an overclocked version which would be a disappointment but it would be in line with SE's uninspiring choice of hardware.
I hope they are not using that processor. They could've gone for the A9600 which is in a leage of its own when it comes to dual-core processors.
Let's wait for more credible info cause right now we are dealing with rumours.
Posted by back2you
SK10i
OS : Android 2.3.5
CPU: 729.6MHz
RAM：130 MB
see on AnTuTu Benchmark
PRICE : ~70 Euro
Posted by bart
On 2011-09-07 22:50:56, motvikt wrote:
On 2011-09-07 21:22:59, bart wrote:
if the rumors are true the phone will be out in 6 months. But we know that SE always delay's things and the the competition is and has been ahead the last years.
So stop dreaming guys.
Thats a myth about SE that wont die. Truth is that they almost every time release the phone when said, maybe stretching their release plan to the limit (read last day of quarter or month), but on time nonetheless. There are however exceptions; X2 was late, and xperia pro has been dalayed due to the earthquake.
The myth began with Satio, which WASNT LATE, just announced very early (which used to be SEs problem)
How long have you been around? This isn't a myth and its been going on long before the Satio. The time line between the P1i and the X1 was one of the worst things that could happen. They canceled so many nice phones like the P5i (which was great, had a prototype and it was running smooth). SE should've pushed with UIQ then they would've had their own OS optimized for touch screens and much more.
Posted by motvikt
I obviously meant the last three years or so. Imo you cant judge a company for things done before that. The p1 is ancient history (altough it was a nice phone)
To answer your question, since t68 (amazing phone)
Posted by Legen
www.phonearena.com/news/All-c[....]4.0-Ice-Cream-Sandwich_id21947
Awesome right?