Posted by smclion102
Dont think DUO=Dual CORE.. Should be mini2 only.. I was really hoping NEO means something new but As mentioned by techradar NEO=vivaz2
so I guess duo means mini2...
It would be so cool if neo was some cool new device(hopefully not vivaz2) and duo for dual core.. Fingers crossed lets see what happene's ..
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2011-02-07 17:47 ]
Posted by tranced
Flip? Clamshell, right?
Well, at this point is hard to believe.
is using touchscreen phones and I don't think that would happen.
On 2011-02-07 18:30:01, wiraperkasa wrote:
xperia duo is a flip phone
Posted by Reactor.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/[....]rmance-and-two-low-power-core/
MMMMMMMM.....
Posted by wiraperkasa
flip?
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201008/10-104E/index.html
[ This Message was edited by: wiraperkasa on 2011-02-07 18:15 ]
Posted by smclion102
On 2011-02-07 19:15:03, wiraperkasa wrote:
flip?
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201008/10-104E/index.html
[ This Message was edited by: wiraperkasa on 2011-02-07 18:15 ]
This is just an advance tech.. But we should forget flip now.. These days its all about touch screen.. So flip days are over..
Posted by Ricke77
I would be very happy if you guys stopped calling those phones Vivaz2 and Satio successor. Satio and Vivaz was SE:s biggest mistake ever. Symbian S60 5th is the most crappy os I've ever used and so far away from SE quality as possible. Thank god they've cancelled the Symbian os.
Posted by wiraperkasa
can't a flip have touchscreen, even have dual touchscreen?
http://www.slashgear.com/fuji[....]prototype-video-demo-07106458/
Posted by smclion102
On 2011-02-07 20:02:24, wiraperkasa wrote:
can't a flip have touchscreen, even have dual touchscreen?
http://www.slashgear.com/fuji[....]prototype-video-demo-07106458/
I dont think anybody would be interested with dual touch screen.. 1 large 4 inch screen is more than enough.. Dual screen is complicated..i personally dont like it..
The trend is all abt large single touch screen..its easy to use,handle ,operate or do multi task..
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2011-02-07 19:15 ]
Posted by tyko
I've had similar thought as Dups. Whats left to present at mwc when all phones have been leaked and reviewed, which I don't think is an accident. I'm sure SE can keep a secret if they really want to. SE themself have said that 2011 is a year when hardware is really important, so it feels kind of strange if Arc is their best offer, especially when you consider what's going to be announced by samsung and perhaps htc. The pessimist in me still thinks that there won't be anything more highend from SE than the Arc in H1.
[ This Message was edited by: tyko on 2011-02-07 19:20 ]
Posted by Karun
@tyko
SE can keep a secret if hey wanted to. Satio was a well kept secret wasn't it? And all the neo, arc leaks are deliberate controlled leaks. SE had said it'll make Android noise, they know what samsung, HTC are rumored to launch, they'll be fools not to have competitive device(s). Lets see what
13th brings, hopefully they do have a well kept secret to unravel.
Posted by pmugghc
Many on this board seem to crave dual-core processors in an SE phone. But take a look at Engadget's review of the LG 2x, seems the dual-core isn't helping with the UI at all. Buggy software too that's eating RAM. So I think it's too simple-minded to just look at the processor spec, it's the overall user experience that counts. If SE can execute with the Arc (i.e. availability, price, SW quality, support) then I think they'll have a winner.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/07/lg-optimus-2x-review/
[ This Message was edited by: pmugghc on 2011-02-07 20:41 ]
Posted by KU
Wow Wow a flipphone=keitai/big fail, clamshell aren't very popular by here, samsung already failed and in spite of understand that SE keep on doing silly thing I mean the LG touch slider and samsungs one were both failures but SE failed afterward with the Aino
And keep in mind that SE is silly enough to think because dual core isn't supported enough, not to start with until it is usefull... remember.... android. 
So I bet for a dualcore smartphone to be presented but launched 6 months later this is SE!!!
together with this flip phone with pico projector.
Posted by tyko
I to believe that Arc could sell well. For me however, I will either go for the arc light, halon or a beast such as the sgs2, not something in between. I'll probably change when I see the arc in full flesh though. The thing about dual cores is perhaps not what you get now but in 1 year when dual cores is mainstream and apps and OS are really optimized for dual cores.
Posted by pmugghc
On 2011-02-07 21:50:43, tyko wrote:
I to believe that Arc could sell well. For me however, I will either go for the arc light, halon or a beast such as the sgs2, not something in between. I'll probably change when I see the arc in full flesh though. The thing about dual cores is perhaps not what you get now but in 1 year when dual cores is mainstream and apps and OS are really optimized for dual cores.
Hmm, what's Arc light ? You have some inside scoop ? Re dual-cores: Yes if the manufacturers will update their phones even after 1 year then your logic will make sense. But the track record so far from all of them (Samsung, HTC, Moto etc) isn't very good.
Posted by tyko
I just meant the vivaz 2 which has almost the same specs as arc and probably gonna be cheaper. As for the optimus 2x, the tegra 2 isn't to blame for bad software optimization. Thats LGs fault.
Posted by KU
Plus 2.4 is said to bring the dual core apps to single core or something like that.
Still a flip phone would be a fail and late dual core won't be a big success. 
Posted by domipost
On 2011-02-07 21:19:36, pmugghc wrote:
Many on this board seem to crave dual-core processors in an SE phone. But take a look at Engadget's review of the LG 2x, seems the dual-core isn't helping with the UI at all. Buggy software too that's eating RAM. So I think it's too simple-minded to just look at the processor spec, it's the overall user experience that counts. If SE can execute with the Arc (i.e. availability, price, SW quality, support) then I think they'll have a winner.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/07/lg-optimus-2x-review/
[ This Message was edited by: pmugghc on 2011-02-07 20:41 ]
The thing is that people want dualcore because it's possible. Not because they need it. That, unfortunatly, is how the world works.
Posted by zub
and the 'advantage'
had of releasing a 2.3 phone is slowly falling apart as 2.4 is now in the works
late as always miss the boat. like i've been saying all along these phones from should've been released last year or absolute latest this year jan/feb. think about about it, even the nexus s is at least on par if not superior to the arc as it is now.
Posted by sambouka
how can xperia arc be behind when 2.4 isn't even released yet?
should SE travel to the future to get the 2.4 source code?
Posted by tranced
I’ve seen articles around higher numbers than 2.3 being seen in the display of Xperia arc phones – As I have been informed that is due to a misconfiguration in some samples and nothing to get too excited about really, sorry.
From the product blog.
Posted by Michalis3
http://www.phonearena.com/new[....]ia-Neo-previewed-again_id16441
The key points: Sony Ericsson XPERIA Neo has 4 inch screen and 7 new phones will be released in the first half of this year...
I don't believe that Neo has a screen larger than 3,7-3,8 inches (from the comparison of the screens between Neo and Galaxy S I have measured that the diagonal of the screen is 3,7 inches). Furthermore 7 new phones ?
From what we already know on Sunday we will be seeing Sony Erisccson XPERIA Arc, Play, Neo and probably a new Mini and Mini Pro. That makes us 5 new phones. As for a "real" flagship phone I don't think that Sony Ericsson will announce anything more high end than Arc as it will be a mistake to have many new phones at the same time competing each other in sales. My prediction is that when the new phones will be available in 2 months time we will have the first leaks of the new Sony Ericsson flagship that will have a dual core processor and will be available in Q3, probably mid July. [ This Message was edited by: Michalis3 on 2011-02-08 01:40 ]
Posted by zub
On 2011-02-07 23:23:08, sambouka wrote:
how can xperia arc be behind when 2.4 isn't even released yet?
should SE travel to the future to get the 2.4 source code?
my point being arc will be released at the earliest april, which is when 2.4 is rumoured to be debut in a new phone. and BTW 2.3 has been out for a long while now, are you forgetting the nexus s? i know no other manufacturer is on it apart from hardcore google based phones but that is precisely my point, if
wanted to use the 2.3 version as an advantage they should be releasing it latest jan/feb so it actually is something unique. by april, 2.4 would've been the advantage not 2.3.
Posted by Ricky D
@zub arc will be out before 2.4 is released and the only advantage 2.4 will have over 2.3 is support for dual-core apps on single core platforms, it'll still be gingerbread, and it's only rumoured to be released April earliest. I really don't know think you can say that arc's OS is going to be out of date by the time it's released. Other manufacturer's latest phones will be out around the same and only running 2.2, how far behind does that make them?
RE:DUO is dual-core?
I thought we already saw a few leaks of duo? it looked like a small Xperia phone, quite bland and there was a 'pro' version with a keyboard.
Posted by zub
That is true, but all I'm saying is if arc gets released and 2.4 is out or about to come out, it'll lose its edge on the whole 2.3 business. Just imo ofcourse .
Posted by aurelius
On 2011-02-08 08:34:08, zub wrote:
That is true, but all I'm saying is if arc gets released and 2.4 is out or about to come out, it'll lose its edge on the whole 2.3 business. Just imo ofcourse .
2.4 will probably out to developers, I'm pretty sure you won't see 2.4 (designated dual core phones) on products until a month later or so...and still, it's the same Gingerbread but optimized for Dual-Core, nothing else.
Posted by avmaxfan
This whole "advantage" of Arc running Android 2.3 will last for maybe 2 or 3 weeks at the maximum. By April - May all dual core flagships will be released with Android 2.3, and many more mid end phones as well.
So this is barely an "advantage" for
Posted by Dups!
Finally SE is up-to-date with the OS and people still find a reason to complain about how SE will be behind with a version of the OS that hasn't even been released. As it is always pointed out from time to time: people will find a reason to complain. I bet if SE comes up with a dual core phone that will be launched with Honeycomb in May people will still find fault with it.
The Gingerbread in the Arc was never meant to be an advantage but SE's lesson learnt from the X10 and I think it is a lesson learnt very well. Also, the Arc is a very well put all rounder that was never meant to be the highest specced phone, it was more of the X10 upgraded not overhauled.
If someone feels the Arc is inadequate then why not go and buy the LG or the Atrix. Better yet, wait for Samsung and HTC then buy one of those. Yes, it is good to question certain aspects of SE's phones or strategy but to be nitpicking on an up-to-date OS for the sake of complaining is just too excessive.
I didn't like the X10 cause I felt it was half-baked and it was but this Arc is perfect for ME and I'm definitely getting it. I'll wait to see the full list of the goodies the dual core phones bring and take it from there. Like I said before, the Arc is second generation 1ghz processor which is good enough for me and I doubt the first generation dual core processors are going to be well optimized for 'perfect' operation with the OS.
And that is my opinion.
Posted by goldenface
It's ridiculous the way Android fanboys begin moaning and whinging if they don't have the very latest Android version.
It's probably google's fault, although the Android tech bloggers are just as bad - talking up the latest Android before the last one is hardly out of the stable door.
Constant disappointment, whinging and whining. Now people will be crying over not having 2.4 when the number of devices with 2.3 is still minimal. When is all this going to end? Manufacturers don't have the resources to upgrade their handsets to the latest OS every few weeks. Jeez!
Posted by pmugghc
I agree 100% with Dups! and goldenface! Way too much whining around here. I think it will be interesting around 3Q when the dust has settled a bit and we should know how these new phones have sold. I guess most of the readers of this Esato forum are a bit "geeky" and look only at the specs, but most normal consumers don't run Linpack or Quadrant tests, they will look at other things like design, how the performance "feels" etc. I've played a bit with the LG 2x last Friday and it wasn't a very attractive package, it looked pretty boring. So I think the Arc will sell well.
Posted by avmaxfan
You guys seemed to have forgotten the Xperia X10 completely and ignoring it as if it looked like crap. Xperia X10 was the best looking smartphone last year and this year its the Arc.
Winning the smartphone beauty pageant does not unfortunately guarantee runaway success as a few people here seem to believe.
When we look at it, the Arc is the repeat of X10 story. Looks great, hardware wise sub par compared to the other flagships, priced lower than other flagships and positioned more towards the upper mid end market. The only thing that is different fortunately is that atleast this time Arc comes pre loaded with the latest OS version .
A quick check on popularity of flagship Android devices announced so far from Google
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc - 6,220,000 results
Motorola Atrix - 12,800,000 results
LG Optimus 2X - 7,990,000 results
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2011-02-08 11:07 ]
Posted by Michalis3
Sony Ericsson XPERIA Play releasing in April...
http://www.computerandvideoga[....]k-release-date-april/?site=cvg
Probably all the devices presented in MWC next week will be available about the same time.
Posted by >500
On 2011-02-08 12:03:25, avmaxfan wrote:
Winning the smartphone beauty pageant does not unfortunately guarantee runaway success as a few people here seem to believe.
A quick check on popularity of flagship Android devices announced so far from Google
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc - 6,220,000 results
Motorola Atrix - 12,800,000 results
LG Optimus 2X - 7,990,000 results
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2011-02-08 11:07 ]
Wait, what? A beauty pageant wont, yet the number of Google search results will?
Um, yer, ok...
ps. Arc has A LOT more total hits on GSMArena compared to Atrix/2x. What's ya point?
[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2011-02-08 11:30 ]
Posted by c96sthl
On 2011-02-07 18:43:19, smclion102 wrote:
Dont think DUO=Dual CORE.. Should be mini2 only.. I was really hoping NEO means something new but As mentioned by techradar NEO=vivaz2
so I guess duo means mini2...
It would be so cool if neo was some cool new device(hopefully not vivaz2) and duo for dual core.. Fingers crossed lets see what happene's ..
[ This Message was edited by: smclion102 on 2011-02-07 17:47 ]
maybe DUO is just like something Kyocera offered for Sprint
Posted by tranced
I can't agree with you here mate. Sometimes the latest doesn't mean the best. I won't deny that when the X10 was out with 1.6 and the others had 2.0/2.1,
were doing it wrong. But regardless they were, the X10 sold quite well. And it sold well because of what?
So, my point is that the latest OS version won't mean the satisfaction to the buyers.
At least that's what I think
On 2011-02-08 10:18:11, avmaxfan wrote:
This whole "advantage" of Arc running Android 2.3 will last for maybe 2 or 3 weeks at the maximum. By April - May all dual core flagships will be released with Android 2.3, and many more mid end phones as well.
So this is barely an "advantage" for
@c96sthl: wiraperkasa said something about a slider.
[ This Message was edited by: tranced on 2011-02-08 11:57 ]
Posted by Dups!
On 2011-02-08 12:26:23, >500 wrote:
On 2011-02-08 12:03:25, avmaxfan wrote:
Winning the smartphone beauty pageant does not unfortunately guarantee runaway success as a few people here seem to believe.
A quick check on popularity of flagship Android devices announced so far from Google
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc - 6,220,000 results
Motorola Atrix - 12,800,000 results
LG Optimus 2X - 7,990,000 results
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2011-02-08 11:07 ]
Wait, what? A beauty pageant wont, yet the number of Google search results will?
Um, yer, ok...
ps. Arc has A LOT more total hits on GSMArena compared to Atrix/2x. What's ya point?
[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2011-02-08 11:30 ]
Yeah, that is a funny post, like hits mean more sales
There are issues of availability, price and marketing.
Posted by goldenface
Nice too see the Xperia Play being taken up by more UK networks. T-Mobile and Orange and maybe Three.
Posted by dancingfate
From
Facebook page:
Posted by tranced
Hallon!
Posted by Dups!
You think?
Would they tease with something leaked? There I go again...
Posted by tranced
Maybe. Look at the bottom. The button is different to the arc.
Posted by Michalis3
I agree. That's probably Neo.
Posted by tranced
But white? Or grey?
Posted by jack00
this doesn't look like neo - it looks to be broader
in the reflexions you see 5 icons in a row on the main screen - neo only shows 4 in a row
[ This Message was edited by: jack00 on 2011-02-08 16:33 ]
Posted by Dups!
It's their new flagship, the 16mp, dual core, Honeycomb high-end coming in May this year
I also don't think it's the Neo/Hallon.
Posted by domipost
Isn't it just a white Zeus?
Posted by motvikt
On 2011-02-08 17:32:58, Dups! wrote:
It's their new flagship, the 16mp, dual core, Honeycomb high-end coming in May this year :P
I also don't think it's the Neo/Hallon.
..
Posted by Ravager
Love the teasers
it doesn't look like anything we've seen
Posted by tranced
I was told there'd be another phone. Didn't get further information
Posted by goldenface
Silver Arc?
Posted by tranced
@goldenface: we're assuming it's something we don't know