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Posted by xenia
http://mobile-review.com/articles/2011/birulki-104.shtml
Arc vs Hallon side by side


Posted by ^^HAMID^^
off topic but good to remember



Posted by hgautam
Comparing the picture:


Halon's size is approx. 118mm x 56mm.

Posted by NightBlade
Ugh... why does Hallon's screen look like that when turned off?

Posted by Xajel


Taking this pic and comparing with arc display..
The arc display is 4.2", and in this pic it 464px so 110.476px/in
Hallon AFAIK is 3.7 but nothing for sure.. in the pic it has 407.5px or 410px depending on how we measure it...

so if it was :
407.5px, then it will be 407.5 / 110.476 = 3.688"
410.0px, then it will be 410.0 / 110.476 = 3.711"

so depending on that picture we can safely say that Hallon's display is 3.7"

but only depnding on that picture wich is taking too close so some lens curving is there and also it's not perfectly on bar above the phones.. so small margin can happen here. but I doubt it will be not 3.7".. and if not it will be 3.8 maximum... no way it will be 3.6..

Posted by cableguy
So why would people pay an extra 100e or whatever it will be to buy the ARC over the Hallon?
Im leaning towards getting the Hallon, as I dont like the headphone socket placement on the Arc

Posted by pmugghc
Is it just me, but doesn't the screen in Arc look brighter and clearer than on Neo ?

Posted by goldenface
The Arc looks far better and neater, especially as the screen on Neo does not go black when not in use. It is also not flush, judging by the above photo, with its surround so will need that much extra attention when cleaning.

Lots will like the idea of video calling, however, it's not very tidy the way it has been implemented above the screen with all the non-flush apertures. The video call camera should have been flush, like on the K850i.

Posted by cableguy
yeah the ARC looks better, but your basically getting the same phone for less with the Neo.
I assume the price difference is because of the bigger screen and bigger memory card in the Arc.
The only difference I can see between the two are:-
Arc has bigger screen.
Neo has front facing camera.

Posted by Michalis3

On 2011-02-01 09:18:32, hgautam wrote:

Halon's size is approx. 118mm x 56mm.


I just hope it will be 115 x 55 x 12 mm. These are my ideal sizes. Otherwise it will have a similar size to HTC Desire which is a bit bigger from what I want my future phone to be. It has to be pocket friendly after all. Looking forward to see some more leaked photos for XPERIA Duo too...
[ This Message was edited by: Michalis3 on 2011-02-01 13:24 ]


Posted by KU
Xperia Neo vs Arc at least !!! That's a fiercy fight but I still can't go for any of them. Too hard to choose between these two, one has a 4.2" screen and is slim super fashionable and the other has a convenient 3.5" to 3.8" screen with a skypeable front facing camera from anywhere, fashionable vs skype/fring. Why can't SE put everything with plasma led or xenon into the Duo. I would ad that the xperia Neo is a worthy oponent to the Iphone 4, some month late a bit like a certain samsung G810 vs N95 is back baby.

Posted by argiriano
As I thought after first review of Hallon it`s screen is not the same technology as Arcs, that`s why it look brownish when it`s turned off cause it has some space between the screen and glass and Arc doesn`t.

I`m wondering why Hallon score much more than Arc on Neocore test?




Posted by ^^HAMID^^
may be Arc has higher resolution ...

Posted by io_bg

On 2011-02-01 21:56:45, ^^HAMID^^ wrote:
may be Arc has higher resolution ...

It doesn't.

Posted by kewsvnet
why does the screen in Hallon seem to be indented compared to almost all other phones I have seen....it feels almost as though some protective coating or layer should go over it in the final version (hopefully to make it less reflective and scratch resistant)

at the moment the Arc screen looks way better than the one on Hallon


On 2011-02-01 09:18:32, hgautam wrote:
Comparing the picture:


Halon's size is approx. 118mm x 56mm.


Posted by goldenface
Well even if the screen protector was placed over Hallon's screen it would have to a very tight fit for it to look as good. There will always be that 'gap' no matter how tight the fit was.

Posted by rphilippe
Does anyone have any news of a phone coming soon with a Xenon flash,
or failing that or have any good ideas how I should replace my Satio?

Posted by ^^HAMID^^

On 2011-02-01 22:02:48, io_bg wrote:

On 2011-02-01 21:56:45, ^^HAMID^^ wrote:
may be Arc has higher resolution ...

It doesn't.

or maybe for Bravia engine

Posted by motvikt
Isnt the bravia engine just a software thing? Maybe the screen is cheaper than the arc, would explain the price. Sure looks cheaper on the pictures

Posted by badassmam
I thought the Bravia engine is only used for videos and media, not for the menus? Maybe the screen is simply better than Hallon hence the price.

Any ideas on the Duo? Dual camera perhaps like the LG (dropped here a while ago), dual core or a keyboard? Everything but the Duo has been leaked in a fair bit of detail, makes you wonder what they're hiding. Surely it can't be just Hallon with a qwerty.

Posted by Michalis3

On 2011-02-01 22:50:00, badassmam wrote:
I thought the Bravia engine is only used for videos and media, not for the menus? Maybe the screen is simply better than Hallon hence the price.

Any ideas on the Duo? Dual camera perhaps like the LG (dropped here a while ago), dual core or a keyboard? Everything but the Duo has been leaked in a fair bit of detail, makes you wonder what they're hiding. Surely it can't be just Hallon with a qwerty.


But I thought that only four new phones will be presented in Barcelona at MWC. So far we have Sony Ericsson XPERIA Arc, Neo, Play and Duo will be unveiled soon. My prediction is that Duo will be the successor to X10 mini but who knows. We will find out very soon nevertheless.

Posted by io_bg
On 2011-02-01 22:21:51, ^^HAMID^^ wrote:
or maybe for Bravia engine

Both phones have that engine

Posted by kewsvnet
I am not suggesting it would look like the Arc screen

however the unusual indent in the screen of Hallon looks a bit weird especially compared to all other phones so i think something should be goin on top of it in the final version


On 2011-02-01 22:14:36, goldenface wrote:
Well even if the screen protector was placed over Hallon's screen it would have to a very tight fit for it to look as good. There will always be that 'gap' no matter how tight the fit was.



Posted by zub
you guys are all deluded if you think these offerings are great from and it will save them and/or doing a great job for 2011. apart from fan boys, who in their right mind would pick up a hallon or arc over any other phone from any of the other big manufacturers? especially considering the pricing will be the same.

of course i am comparing these phones to phones that will actually be out at the time actually get hallon and arc, neo, etc out to market.... massively behind competition.

if MWC does not produce a proper good surprise, im afraid, in my book at least have failed 2011. same shit all over again.

Posted by pmugghc
@zub:
How many of the competitors will have 2.3 phones available apart from the Nexus S around April ? None as far as I know, they still announce stuff that will have 2.2 inside.

I think Arc has a very distinctive design and will appeal to many.

Let's look at the European market. what are the top-end phones ? Neither HTC nor Samsung have any with better specs. Only LG 2x and LG doesn't have a very good reputation yet.

Posted by MyP910
I will buy Arc.
The design itself is a big selling point.


Posted by KU
Dual-core isn't that good as I though it is a developper phone, a bit like super computer vs netbook/notebook http://www.phonearena.com/rev[....]ptimus-2X-Review_id2652/page/5 , http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_2x-review-561p2.php . I really hope that will surprise me with innovative stuff into the Xperia Duo and win some prizes again at the show, and as the power race is becoming kinda rubish like the megapixel count it's just to show up just hoping for really innovative things from SE.

Edit:hot potatoe http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony[....]pre-mwc-events-on-13-february/
[ This Message was edited by: KU on 2011-02-02 02:15 ]


Posted by pmugghc
We don't know the specific pricing of Neo yet, but I'm not impressed with the recent Samsung announcement of four phones in the midrange (Ace, Fit etc), they seem to be midrange priced phones with low-end specs. Furthermore none of them runs 2.3.

Posted by Dups!

On 2011-02-02 00:03:01, zub wrote:
you guys are all deluded if you think these offerings are great from and it will save them and/or doing a great job for 2011. apart from fan boys, who in their right mind would pick up a hallon or arc over any other phone from any of the other big manufacturers? especially considering the pricing will be the same.

of course i am comparing these phones to phones that will actually be out at the time actually get hallon and arc, neo, etc out to market.... massively behind competition.

if MWC does not produce a proper good surprise, im afraid, in my book at least have failed 2011. same shit all over again.


Wow! So you think dual core phones are IT? I'm definitely buying the Arc over anything out there including the yet-to- be announced phones from Samsung and HTC. I'm not convinced the first generation dual core phones are going to be a huge improvement over the second generation 'single' core phones. The Arc seems well optimized for a proto and it's the best all-rounder that is just perfect for me.

This year is not a 'failure' for SE, it actually has started off wonderfully for them.

Posted by cableguy
yeah I have to agree, dual cores are going to suck the battery. so will wait for a generation or two of them before taking the plunge as well

Posted by eternal_wind
Isnt the bravia engine just a software thing? Maybe the screen is cheaper than the arc, would explain the price. Sure looks cheaper on the pictures


AFAIK, it is also involved hardware design. I read somewhere that they made the gap between the backlight and the actual screen a vacuum so the light particles can be transferred more efficient or something like that

Posted by avmaxfan

On 2011-02-02 11:42:45, cableguy wrote:
yeah I have to agree, dual cores are going to suck the battery. so will wait for a generation or two of them before taking the plunge as well


Dual core is more battery efficient than single core processors FYI.

Posted by goldenface
I'm sure I read something similar saying dual-core processing consume less power.

Posted by tranced
It takes less time to process

Posted by Xajel
Dual cores consumes less power only if you directly compare it to two identical cores on a seperate silicon die

so basically in power 1 Core < 2 Cores ( on a single die ) < 2 cores ( on seperated dies )
in performance 1 Core < 2 cores ( on single die ) = 2 cores ( on seperated dies )

in case of performance, single and multi die solutions may vary depending on interconnect links and other logics.. but in optimized world on both solutions, both are equal there will be some small margin for single die duo to lower latency but in over all this margin is very small...


for me.. is very logical here... there's no OS or software that can make you take the dual core to any use now...

from Android perspective only Honeycomb can handle dual cores, Gingerbread does not support dual cores and we know nothing about next version ( Icecream 2.4 or what ever codenamed/version numbered )

ofcourse we will have some apps by the time.. but I don't think these apps will be that much !!

and by the time OS or software comes handy... will have thier product to show... so don't worry..

I think don't want to jump now on dual core coz this will mean moving to another SOC platform ( Tegra ) and this will need time and resources... they're just waked up from thier deadly hibernate in 2010.. so they need everything, every hour and dollar of resources to concetrate on thier plans...
I think they're working on another SOC that they already know and used, Qualcomm or TI..

Posted by smclion102
@Xajel

Well Said..

Posted by Michalis3
+1

Posted by zub
....aaaaannd i rest my case.

Posted by goldenface

On 2011-02-02 20:11:33, zub wrote:
....aaaaannd i rest my case.


So SE will be wiped out in 2011 because they 'might not' invest in dual core in Q211?

I'll remember this post.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2011-02-02 22:43 ]


Posted by zub
no where did i say it HAD to be dual core. but the tech they are showcasing so far, is way below par with competition, ofcourse no one here is ready to believe that......

Posted by S4k1s

On 2011-02-03 00:30:56, zub wrote:
no where did i say it HAD to be dual core. but the tech they are showcasing so far, is way below par with competition, ofcourse no one here is ready to believe that......


What part in Arc is below par with the competition?

Feel free to compare it to released handsets and then post your comparison here or forever stfu.


Posted by rizzamarv

On 2011-02-03 00:30:56, zub wrote:
no where did i say it HAD to be dual core. but the tech they are showcasing so far, is way below par with competition, ofcourse no one here is ready to believe that......


I still fail to see where these claims are coming from? First of all SE has only showcased the ARC. Everything else is Leaks and not official and please do show me where competitors are showing better hard and software?

Yes there will be dual core phones announced at MWC and probably some with Gingerbread, from gsmarena:LG touts the LG Optimus 2X as the world’s first dual-core smartphone and the Tegra 2 did impress us with its performance. But we have our doubts that Android 2.2 Froyo is using the two cores (we’re still running tests).

Phonearena on the LG: "We will make a segway here to explain what are the current and future bragging rights of having a dual-core phone. For now the most useful advantage is the ability to record and play Full HD 1080p video. More detailed videos is a nice thing to have, but in reality the difference with HD 720p video is not that huge, if you are not watching it on a Full HD-capable display.

Moreover, there are single-core phones, which also claim the ability to record 1080p video, like the upcoming Samsung Infuse for AT&T, simply because the 1.2GHz Hummingbird chipset in it is powerful enough to allow Full HD. The main advantages are coming when there is software written specifically for dual-core, but for now you are only getting the bragging rights."


So they are announcing it with Froyo, whereas the Arc is more than capable of delivering one of the best android performances with Gingerbread (all previews show a flawless lagfree experience in Proto stage)!!! Furthermore it is coming with probably the best Android Camera for stills and a pretty impressive screen. And If SE manages to get it out by the end of March (6 weeks after MWC) I am sure it will be one of the best solutions out there...

Maybe SE is working on getting out there first Dual Core with Honeycomb before Christmas (I wish) which I think would be a very smart move (a platform which actually utilizes dual core!). Until then I am sure I will be more than happy with the Hard and software (and best design) of the ARC

Apologies for the long post
[ This Message was edited by: rizzamarv on 2011-02-03 03:02 ]


Posted by Ricky D
I freely admit I'm a fanboy of SE and I love the Xperia arc, I'm already figuring how I'm going to sell X10 (and a kidney) to get my hands on one, but, I'm not blind to the fact that arc does have shortcomings. I think the lack of a frony facing cam will be a big issue to as many as 1/3 of arc users within 6 months, also have you thought about after 2.3? I'm not talking about the tablet interface of honeycomb but a better phone OS. I can't imagine SE being the fastest to release the OS, nor even guaranteeing support for it and I'm sure that will perform better with a dual-core processor.

This time last year X10 was seen as on par (pretty much) with the best devices out there (namely: Desire, Nexus et al) but just weeks later 2.2 was announced and the lack of multi-touch came to light and all of a sudden X10 was a 'failure' (which I don't really agree with but I'll go with it for this argument). I'm not saying arc will have such a catastrophe as the multi-touch debacle of 2010 but the front facing cam and the dual-core processor ARE limitations. Maybe not for this month of even next month but in 6 months, probably, in a year, definitely. Other handsets are going to be out by the end of the quarter with dual-core and front facing cams (among other things such as NFC chips).

So could the argument about arc being behind competitors or not stop please. In some ways it is but in some ways it's a fantastic phone in it's own right.

...oh and this thread is for rumours! Take it elsewhere!

Posted by avmaxfan

On 2011-02-03 02:45:45, S4k1s wrote:

On 2011-02-03 00:30:56, zub wrote:
no where did i say it HAD to be dual core. but the tech they are showcasing so far, is way below par with competition, ofcourse no one here is ready to believe that......


What part in Arc is below par with the competition?

Feel free to compare it to released handsets and then post your comparison here or forever stfu.



Have you heard of a phone called Optimus 3D ?
It has a glass less 3D 4.3 inch screen (better than ARC), Multi Channel RAM ( a first), Dual Core SoC, a 3D camera with 3D video recording.

Now tell me, does the Arc stand up to this phone ? I took the example of Optimus 3D as its the most advanced Android right now, come MWC there will be more ( I am talking about the Galaxy S successor) which will again push the edge.

Where will that leave the Arc come April ?

I understand that this is a fan forum but sometimes we need to accept the bitter truth than ignore it.
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2011-02-03 03:19 ]


Posted by pavlov's_dog
^ Are you not the same Avmaxfan who claimed to have inside info. You did get people's hopes up with promises of dual-core proccies and 720p displays. So from a liar, you're now just a troll...just saying.

Posted by >500
whats all this rubbish about 3D?

I mean, ive watched a few movies at the cinemas in 3d, most were not even worth the more expensive ticket.

Personally, I fail to see any benefit in 3D and I dont see it taking off too much... But I may be wrong.

The lg optimus offering 3d is hardly an advantage! Like I said, 3d is nothing special imho

Posted by pavlov's_dog
i agree regarding this 3D bull$#!*. It's all just a marketing ploy. I prefer something like the android 3D gallery. They should design a 3D UI that's accelerometer-based. I want something like those motion-sensing concept UIs from the Astonishing Tribe.

Posted by Legen
predictions for MWC;
-16mpx camera on phone
-android walkman(o.k this is just a fantasy)
anything else? And am not talking about phones that already leaked

Posted by tai020381
I would like a high-end non-camera android phone ^^ You will be surprised how many people will buy it as more companies are restricting camera into their premises.

Posted by Indiandawg
I want to see a phone with top hardware and a superfast phone with not even one lag anywhere. Dont care about camera or anything else. I want a lag free phone both in terms of software and games.


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