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• Ericsson R380
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• Sony Xperia C
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• Sony Xperia E1
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• Sony Xperia Z1 Compact
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The All New Sony Ericsson Portfolio for 2011


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Posted by Domecot
thank, this is much better I refreshed like 500 times
The X10 mini pro, just not my thing. Didn't like the previous and I still don't like this one..


Posted by goldenface

On 2011-01-08 00:18:43, Domecot wrote:
thank, this is much better I refreshed like 500 times
The X10 mini pro, just not my thing. Didn't like the previous and I still don't like this one..

No, I don't really to tell you the truth - my fingers can't cope with such a lilliput sized keyboard but still, they are packing quite a lot into a small package which is the what the Mini range is all about I think.

Posted by TheBecksF
if the mini is duo
and neo is new vivas
that mean no higher spics in the first half ? .. big fail for the company if this is true
i hope they are hiding some thing from us .. i hope

Posted by io_bg
^ Aren't those specs high enough for you?

Posted by huiyi

On 2011-01-07 20:33:03, zub wrote:

On 2011-01-07 20:11:49, se_dude wrote:
The pspphone if released in 2012 with Nokia specs wont have any competitors. So all these crap about 2010 and 2011 is all shit. The hardware controls speak for everything. I dont see HTC,sammy, LG or Moto coming up with anything like that. Clean sweep for SE.


so what, that gives them the right to shaft us with shitty hardware? just because they know they are the only ones with gaming controls? what about fan loyalty? how can they screw us like this? you think its ok to give us below par hardware?
[ This Message was edited by: zub on 2011-01-07 19:41 ]


我觉得你很无聊呀。。不喜欢就不要买啊。。整天双核双核。。。要双核就去买摩托,LG。。。。在这里叫嚷有什么意思。。。

Posted by KU
Folowing eldar words every techies have to forget SE during the MWC ! http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2011/ces2011-1-en.shtml
I am sorry for you but the arc is a comercial product (like the Iphone), And it also mean no dual core (could SE support the loss of a dualcore phone failure ?)...
But I don't leave the hope to have my 16 mpx camera phone don't care of fullhd on mobile phone since HD is already a bit "abuse" for this kind of device... http://www.slideshare.net/coo[....]006-specs-features-and-photos.
[ This Message was edited by: KU on 2011-01-08 00:30 ]


Posted by S4k1s

On 2011-01-07 23:02:32, zub wrote:

On 2011-01-07 21:55:29, KU wrote:

On 2011-01-07 21:33:01, zub wrote:
even three months is too long

You are going too far 3 month is everything but too long...


but thats what im trying to say, 3 months from announcement to release may not be so bad, but they are announcing way too late so therefore that 3 months now becomes even too late, if you know what i mean. should've been announced last year.


I'm starting to get really tired of people like you that are never satisfied with anything. Either it's to early or it's to late...


Posted by zub
lol when did i say anything from is too early? we're talking about here

Posted by wario
for those wondering about dual-core processors, phone arena has a nice little article about its benefits on a phone. link


i'm thinking SE (and HTC too) are holding off on using dual-core phones until the snapdragon platform is ready to go.

they've had a solid relationship with qualcomm and announcing a phone using a competing platform like the tegra 2 would probably damage relations.

dual-core snapdragons probably weren't ready in time for CES.

however, according to engadget, the asus 7" tablet Eee Pad Memo is powered by a dual-core 1.2 ghz snapdragon processor. not sure how accurate this is though since the asus press release doesn't mention anything about that.

since the asus tablet is scheduled for a june release and if engadget's reporting is accurate, dual-core snapdragons should be readily available by the end of Q2.


here's hoping something gets announced for the second half of this year.
[ This Message was edited by: wario on 2011-01-08 01:52 ]


Posted by pmugghc
I've been reading this forum for awhile, but today I felt I had to register so I could share my thoughts. I can't believe all the whining going on here. I'm not an SE fanboy, but let's give SE some cred for what they've done now! Some of you have compared with the other big phone announcements at CES, but how about the following:

1) How many of these other new phones from LG, Samsung, HTC etc will SHIP with 2.3 ? As far as I know it's 0. They said they will upgrade to 2.3 later, and we all know how "good" e.g. Samsung is with SW upgrades, right ?

2) How many other phones (except perhaps the Nexus S) was demonstrated with 2.3 ? None. Only Arc had it.

3) I found the following tidbit from Slashgear interesting:
Sony Ericsson has slimmed down their Mediascape and Timescape elements; the former gets an optional media widget on the homescreen, while the latter is now slimmed-down and optional rather than mandatory to use. They’re also been uncoupled from the underlying Android OS, which Sony Ericsson says will allow them to upgrade the platform far quicker than on the X10 and other variants. One of the company’s 2011 priorities is to push out upgrades on a more timely basis.

4) When you compare phones, you can't just talk about HW specs. The way each phone is priced and positioned is important too. If the Arc has an attractive price I think SE will sell a ton of it, due to its good looks and as-of-today good HW specs. Perhaps the Arc isn't intended to fight it out with the Tegra 2 crowd, there will perhaps be another in 2Q or 2H for that. If you look at the ship dates for those others, there's not a whole lot coming in 1Q, I think the LG 2x is the only one.

Just my thoughts.

Posted by Karun
@pmugghc
well said. +1

Posted by zub

On 2011-01-08 04:20:09, pmugghc wrote:


4) When you compare phones, you can't just talk about HW specs. The way each phone is priced and positioned is important too. If the Arc has an attractive price I think SE will sell a ton of it, due to its good looks and as-of-today good HW specs. Perhaps the Arc isn't intended to fight it out with the Tegra 2 crowd, there will perhaps be another in 2Q or 2H for that. If you look at the ship dates for those others, there's not a whole lot coming in 1Q, I think the LG 2x is the only one.

Just my thoughts.


i can bet my ass it will be priced just as high as the other premium phones.

Just my two cents.

Posted by crossmatched
any buzz about a camera centric or a Cybershot-xperia device?

i just thought if the Arc was blessed to have an exmor sensor, then it won't be possible or too long for a proper imaging device from the xperia family to be announced as well.

btw, key Sony techs and/or branding like Bravia, Exmor, Playstation making its way to SE is a great step towards improving the SE image (which imo got bruised for some time)

Nice to be back on the track SE!


Posted by Alihosny
i think th 8.1 exmor r sensor in the arc makes it image centric device.
only samples from the camera will show if it can face the n8's great cam.crossing fingers.

it would be great if there is a reduced (in size) version of the phone with the same exmor r sensor like a 3.5" version.make it and i am sold.
[ This Message was edited by: Alihosny on 2011-01-08 06:16 ]


Posted by Ricke77
@pmugghc:
I totally agree with you. I think the lineup looks great. And I am so glad that they now will be quicker with sw updates. I own a Satio today and that is the only phone from SE that I was really dissapointed with. They fixed the most common bugs and then just forgot that they built it... The only thing good with it is the outstanding camera. But now has made the good decision to not use Symbian anymore so I know we wont see more of any crappy Nokia-dummies!

Posted by anders260
Xperia play hands on

http://www.mobile-review.com/fullnews/main/index_eng.shtml#32072

Posted by pmugghc
One more thing: Nathan Vautier, MD at Sony Ericsson UK/Irland, has said the following according to Techradar:

We will upgrade the Xperia Arc to Honeycomb,” Vautier confirmed at the launch briefing for the new Gingerbread-powered phone.

As far as I know, NO other manufacturer has stated that for any of their phones (only for tablets). So let's give some credit to SE, it seems to me they have learned some lessons from last year.

Posted by goldenface
@pmugghc

Thanks for the input, my thoughts exactly.

There is, and has been, a lot to whine about as far as is concerned but credit has to be given where credit is due, simply because the Arc so far has been very well received and if that's what they have in store for us this year then it's certainly going to be a good year.

It looks like they've learned from some harsh mistakes of 2010, regarding timely updates, so a big pat on the back to them and I hope they will prove their biggest critics wrong.

Posted by tyko

On 2011-01-08 04:37:07, zub wrote:

On 2011-01-08 04:20:09, pmugghc wrote:


4) When you compare phones, you can't just talk about HW specs. The way each phone is priced and positioned is important too. If the Arc has an attractive price I think SE will sell a ton of it, due to its good looks and as-of-today good HW specs. Perhaps the Arc isn't intended to fight it out with the Tegra 2 crowd, there will perhaps be another in 2Q or 2H for that. If you look at the ship dates for those others, there's not a whole lot coming in 1Q, I think the LG 2x is the only one.

Just my thoughts.


i can bet my ass it will be priced just as high as the other premium phones.

Just my two cents.


According to a danish site (mobil.nu) some SE people claimed it would be priced around 500-530 euro which is cheaper than the Desire HD at the moment, in sweden anyway

Posted by NoTnERb
oh my god, finally, somebody who can see what SE is doing. and he did it on his first post, not sure that means anything but thank you pmugghc. this means A LOT.


On 2011-01-08 04:20:09, pmugghc wrote:
I've been reading this forum for awhile, but today I felt I had to register so I could share my thoughts. I can't believe all the whining going on here. I'm not an SE fanboy, but let's give SE some cred for what they've done now! Some of you have compared with the other big phone announcements at CES, but how about the following:

1) How many of these other new phones from LG, Samsung, HTC etc will SHIP with 2.3 ? As far as I know it's 0. They said they will upgrade to 2.3 later, and we all know how "good" e.g. Samsung is with SW upgrades, right ?

2) How many other phones (except perhaps the Nexus S) was demonstrated with 2.3 ? None. Only Arc had it.

3) I found the following tidbit from Slashgear interesting:
Sony Ericsson has slimmed down their Mediascape and Timescape elements; the former gets an optional media widget on the homescreen, while the latter is now slimmed-down and optional rather than mandatory to use. They’re also been uncoupled from the underlying Android OS, which Sony Ericsson says will allow them to upgrade the platform far quicker than on the X10 and other variants. One of the company’s 2011 priorities is to push out upgrades on a more timely basis.

4) When you compare phones, you can't just talk about HW specs. The way each phone is priced and positioned is important too. If the Arc has an attractive price I think SE will sell a ton of it, due to its good looks and as-of-today good HW specs. Perhaps the Arc isn't intended to fight it out with the Tegra 2 crowd, there will perhaps be another in 2Q or 2H for that. If you look at the ship dates for those others, there's not a whole lot coming in 1Q, I think the LG 2x is the only one.

Just my thoughts.


I don't like all the whining here too but people have the right to post what they want here just as long as it has any connection to rumors. if you don't like what they're posting just skip it. I for one am very happy with the arc. no 1080p? my sister doesn't even know her iphone 4 can do hd videos. 720p will suffice for me, and will it really kill you if you don't have 1080p? i guess your ego will explode if you don't have 1080p, right? no dual core? as long as the average joe sees 1ghz there, they'd be happy. dual core they'd say "wow that's awesome", but believe me they'll forget it after an hour. right now, there is no need for dual core as the current processors can handle the tasks pretty well. I just don't get all the disappointment, you guys must have to get everything, don't you?

the thing that SE is doing here is target the average joes which really comprise the majority of their sales, believe it or not, we techies are only a small part of the sales. they might not have the best software but when an average joe sees the arc, they're jaw will literally drop. I told my sister how thin the arc was and once she saw it next the the iphone she was speechless. granted thats just one person, but majority of the average joes will have the same expression as my sister.

PS I love my sister to death, Im just using her as an example, ok?
[ This Message was edited by: NoTnERb on 2011-01-08 08:50 ]


Posted by goldenface
I don't think it was a 'slip' that arc was doing the rounds showing Android 2.4. Honeycomb anyone?

Posted by pauvincent

On 2011-01-08 10:05:01, goldenface wrote:
I don't think it was a 'slip' that arc was doing the rounds showing Android 2.4. Honeycomb anyone?



A very good teaser lol a little proof the CAN update the arc fast

Posted by pmugghc
I have no idea how Arc will be priced, but I just checked todays prices in Sweden, all are without contract (the US style with contract prices are basically all the same, really weird system). This includes Swedish VAT, so it'a an apples to apples comparison:

Source: prisjakt.nu

Phone SEK USD % of highest
Galaxy S 16GB 5490 792 100%
LG 2x 4895 706 89%
HTC Desire HD 4381 632 80%
Galaxy S 8GB 3995 576 73%
Desire 3638 525 66%
SE-X10 3358 484 61%

So today X10 is clearly positioned quite aggressively, 39% less than the leader. If Arc would be priced around the same as e.g. Desire HD or less I think it would be very competitive.

If SE will follow through with what they've said, i.e. coming out with 2.3 (maybe even 2.4) right around the end of 1Q, then follow up with Honeycomb when that comes out I think SE's image for those who care about having the latest and greatest Android will raise dramatically, from the worst laggard to the leader of the pack!


Posted by back2you
x10 mini pro successor = Mango

Posted by goldenface

On 2011-01-08 11:45:17, back2you wrote:
x10 mini pro successor = Mango


Also rumoured to be Xperia Duo. Does that make Hallon the new Xperia Neo?

Posted by Reactor.
do you remember this? http://j-phone.ru/news/zima_novinki_docomo/2010-09-09-34


"SO-01C: Xperia・Android
SO-02C: Xperia・Windows Phone 7
"

where are this two phones? especially WP7 one....

i don`t think that SO-01C is Xperia Arc... if it is, why the other ones aren`t mentioned? (Hallon, x10 mini/mini pro successos) they aren't for Japanese market?



Posted by Muhammad-Oli

On 2011-01-08 10:05:01, goldenface wrote:
I don't think it was a 'slip' that arc was doing the rounds showing Android 2.4. Honeycomb anyone?



Engadget was saying that 2.4 is more likely to be a slight (not enough for a new dessert name) upgrade to 2.3, in the same way that 2.1 was to 2.0 (both Eclair). So if they're right, 2.4 will still be Gingerbread and will be only a slight upgrade to 2.3.

Posted by Mizzou
New Mini vs. Vivaz Pro - QWERTY keyboards





Posted by Ultimus
I'd like to applaud pmugghc for arguing against all the whiners here. The Arc has so much going for it (imo) that it's really unfair to want even more and even be disappointed with it without knowing the price. And why? Just because it isn't dual core? What do you even want that for if people are reporting the Arc to be the smoothest Android experience that they've seen so far? That in addition to the promised fast and frequent updates: What more do you want?

I'd also like to add something in regard to the Xperia Play (PS Phone): Sure it's hardware is 'just' normal high end phone hardware, but don't forget that all Android phones up til now run games that are made for 'any' Android phone. There aren't any games that are truly made for one specific Android phone. The advantage of the Xperia Play is that it will be a platform of its own.

The games that will appear on the PlayStation Pocket market of the Xperia Play can be fully optimized to run on that specific hardware, taking advantage of all its features and all the possibilities of the hardware. They won't be held back by older Android versions, lower resolutions, lower available memory, etc. Very specialized engines and development tools can be developed.

I'd bet that especially the exclusive games created by Sony Computer Entertainment's studios (wasn't a God of War game rumored?) will look amazing, better than most if not all other phone games.

Also, those that think April is late for this device: I don't think any big games platform was ever released faster after its first official announcement (which will be in February it seems). You need some time to create hype and a marketing campaign for an ambitious product. We don't know any game titles yet for instance.

Lastly, I think going for lower end hardware will allow for lower (mass market) price and hopefully longer battery life, which is essential if playing games will be the primary use of the device. Using the CPU and GPU to their fullest should not last just 2-3 hours.

Still, we need much more details about the Xperia Play to judge it fully, but whining about it so much already is pointless imo.

Posted by Mizzou
New Mini vs. Mini Pro - QWERTY keyboards



Posted by kewsvnet
anyone got pics of the vivaz pro successor??

what do you guys think are going to be the differences between the x10 mini successor and the vivaz successor

is it going to be mainly just the size and resolution of the screens? since mini successor also records HD

anyone know if these devices also have Exmor and Bravia technologies?

Posted by KU
So good to read some sensible posts, and zub is a real "tech freak" unlike some other that change their mind every two days...
I must add that HTC is going to shake high as this UI from SE is not far from the HTC one in term of quality and far better than the korean's one, note coments about motoblur (wrost than any other), So the objective of 15% of the android 2011 market share should be a piece of cake regarding to the portofolio of the first half.

I SE

Posted by arne123
anyone other than me that reflected over the placement of the 3,5mm jack on the top side? Not that optimal if you keep the phone in your pocket with a headset connected

Posted by emuneee
I had to chime in on the XPERIA Arc. Despite its lack of "high-end" specs the design looks fantastic. I don't know they chose the placement of the 3.5mm Jack though. Also, shipping with Gingerbread is a huge advantage and decoupling Timescape and Mediascape from the software is another improvement D it will allow them to deliver software updates more quickly. I think the Arc will be very popular. Hopefully Sony Ericsson can ship quickly and quickly deliver platform updates as they are made available by Google.

The XPERIA Play to me is still a head scratcher though. I thought they would've pushed the tech limit a bit more on that handset (assuming the rumours are true). But I will wait until its strategy is announced at MWC before making final judgement.

Posted by juris15

On 2011-01-08 12:05:04, Reactor. wrote:
do you remember this? http://j-phone.ru/news/zima_novinki_docomo/2010-09-09-34


"SO-01C: Xperia・Android
SO-02C: Xperia・Windows Phone 7
"

where are this two phones? especially WP7 one....

i don`t think that SO-01C is Xperia Arc... if it is, why the other ones aren`t mentioned? (Hallon, x10 mini/mini pro successos) they aren't for Japanese market?



only the Xperia Arc will be also available in Japan... like the X10, which was the first SE phone to be available globally including Japan...
and if im not wrong SEMC and SEMC Japan are two different things
from the PR
Sony Ericsson Xperia™ arc will be available globally in selected markets, including Japan, from Q1 in the colours Midnight Blue and Misty Silver.

[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2011-01-08 14:07 ]


Posted by xell

On 2011-01-08 11:42:45, pmugghc wrote:
I have no idea how Arc will be priced
599 € rrp in Germany, as was the X10 when it was released.

Posted by Xajel
For any one that thinks 2.4 is Honeycomb, I just can't get this in my mind !!

AFAIK 2.4 is just a little update to 2.3, both will have the exact same codename of Gingerbread, just like Eclair and 2.0 and 2.1

if you remember the 3.0 UI video that is well popular in youtube in the last days, that clearly says 3.0 is Honeycomb... I know this is not official... but... I donno


any way, for the Honeycomb and tablet thing and the confirmation that Arc will be updated to Honeycomb, I think that Honeycomb will have two UI versions for tablets ( big screens ) and phones ( small screens ), you may call it Android 3.0 Tablet Edition
I just don't get the idea of having two seperated software path for just UI layer change and some high-end hardware change too, while every thing else is nearly same.. I mean phones will have tablet hardware later anyway !! who thought about having 1GHz or dual-core phones just before several years ago !!
[ This Message was edited by: Xajel on 2011-01-08 19:01 ]


Posted by laffen
This is the rumor thread for all phones. The Arc is announced and are therefore not a rumor any more. A bussy Arc thread is running here

Posted by DarkKrypt
ru·mor (rmr)
n.
1. A piece of unverified information of uncertain origin usually spread by word of mouth.
2. Unverified information received from another; hearsay.
tr.v. ru·mored, ru·mor·ing, ru·mors
To spread or tell by rumor.
[Middle English rumour, from Old French, from Latin rmor.]


Noun 1. rumor - gossip (usually a mixture of truth and untruth) passed around by word of mouth
hearsay, rumour.
scuttlebutt, gossip, comment - a report (often malicious) about the behavior of other people; "the divorce caused much gossip"

Verb 1. rumor - tell or spread rumors; "It was rumored that the next president would be a woman"
bruit, rumour
dish the dirt, gossip - wag one's tongue; speak about others and reveal secrets or intimacies; "She won't dish the dirt"

Rumor:definition

Posted by Supa_Fly
IT's not about whiners its about those being apologetic for SE.

1. "dual-core snapdragons probably weren't ready in time for CES."
- Oddly enough, if you search, there are MANY press releases about Qualcomm in early 2010 stated that they'd HAVE a dual-core Snapdragon ready. Well they where caught bluffing and with their pants down.

Proof:

Jan 8, 2010 03:55 PM
Source: Gizmodo
Qualcomm's current 1GHz Snapdragon is the muscle that makes the Nexus One so fantastically speedy, but Qualcomm isn't sitting on their laurels—they just announced two new chips that are going to power the next great mobile devices.

First up is the single-core Snapdragon 8X50A, a 45nm chip that's essentially the next version of the 1GHz chip in the Nexus One. It's clocked at 1.3GHz. But what we're really excited about is the dual-core 8X72, which uses two Scorpion cores to achieve 1.5GHz. Luis Pineda, Senior VP at Qualcomm, assures that the 8X72 is suitable for smartphones (not just smartbooks or netbooks) and can handle 1080p video. Both the 8X50A and 8X72 will be out this year, going head to head with the Tegra 2.
Slashgear also corroborated this story


Jun 1st 2010 1:44AM
Source: Engadget
Oh yeah baby, Qualcomm's finally shipping its first dual-core Snapdragons. To whom, is the big question. Its third-generation Mobile Station Modem MSM8260 and MSM8660 Snapdragon chipsets for high-end smartphones -- originally announced in February 2009 -- are now sampling and capable of running at up to 1.2GHz. The MSM8260 supports HSPA+, while the MSM8660 brings support for multi-mode HSPA+ and 1xEV-DO Rev. B. Both integrate GPS, a GPU with 2D / 3D acceleration engines for Open GL ES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1, 1080p video encoding and decoding, a dedicated low-power audio engine, and support for 24-bit WXGA 1,280 x 800 pixel displays. Anybody at Computex care to step forward with a reference design?

Update: We just spoke with company representatives here at the show, and try as we may, we couldn't convince anyone at the company to show off a dual-core reference design. We were flat-out told that the only people at Computex getting a glimpse at the new silicon were prospective customers, though we did manage to pry out a few interesting details about the chip itself and the future of the line. For one, these new chips have two application cores and a single modem core, whereas existing chips have a single application core alongside a single modem core. We were also told in no uncertain terms that an even quicker version of the Snapdragon would be launched before the year's end, and as you'd likely surmise, it'll be aimed at "larger screen" devices -- you know, like slates and tablet PCs.


3. 1:03 PM 8-Sep-10
Source: PocketNow
The good news for those who are awaiting Qualcomm to ship 1.2 GHz Snapdragon devices is that those chips are set to go for a Q1 release in 2011. The bad news is that the more advanced dual-core Snapdragon chipsets are delayed until late 2011.

While Qualcomm was among the first to market with its single-core 1 Ghz processor, the company seems to be lagging behind competitors. NVIDIA has demonstrated multi-core chipsets and the company's Tegra 2 chips are slated for LG smartphones. Additionally, Samsung has recently announced its dual-core Orion CPU. Both Orion and Tegra 2 promises up to 5X the graphics capabilities of current solutions.


The writing was on the WALL.

Yes its about relationships - HTC primarily is most likely hurt the MOST. The key point here is the FLAGSHIP smartphone for the 1st half of 2011 in the USA & Europe is NOT an HTC device but a Motorola (Atrix 4G) using a competing & PROVEN chipset … Tegra 2. I say proven because Audi has already begun using Tegra 2 in their 2011 car-lineup as the core of their MMI system (Music, Climate, Navigation, and smart control system) - and their the BEST manufacturer in the auto industry that ships a proper in-car solution.

Posted by Supa_Fly
The Arc is a beautiful device from SE … really well thought out.

Samsung's AT&T model just announced, Motorola Atrix 4G have BOTH been promised to deliver 2.3 Gingerbread.

The Motorola Atrix 4G and their Xoom tablet will ship Q1 of 2011 which has been repeated as February in-store across the USA and late February in Europe by Orange UK from their press release!! That is a dual-core Tegra 2 being shipped. No more excuses beyond the obvious: a) SE is waiting for a better announcement beyond just a dual core as a sales point but something users can ENJOY - PSPPhone, or b) Waiting on Qualcomm they, like HTC got screwed.

Qualcomm recent press has announced that the Atheros company would be purchased … Atheros played a BIG role in early Linux wlan success since they open-sourced their drivers for use while the competition did NOT. I recall hunting far & wide for a Linksys PCI card to use in my desktop for Fedora Core 2/3/4 to be used; chipset support was built-in to the kernel or easily downloaded & installed.

I've said since the official release announcement of The Arc that the key to its success is PRICING! Everything else is there including HDMI out support - I'm unsure about video calling support with secondary camera though - but it'll do well.

I still think SE has something waiting, and I still say the time is right for SE to deliver a Tablet and offer their media services worldwide - not just Europe/Asia as target markets. Apple will have a hard time going up against the competition this year.

Posted by zub

On 2011-01-08 12:40:18, Ultimus wrote:
I'd like to applaud pmugghc for arguing against all the whiners here. The Arc has so much going for it (imo) that it's really unfair to want even more and even be disappointed with it without knowing the price. And why? Just because it isn't dual core? What do you even want that for if people are reporting the Arc to be the smoothest Android experience that they've seen so far? That in addition to the promised fast and frequent updates: What more do you want?

I'd also like to add something in regard to the Xperia Play (PS Phone): Sure it's hardware is 'just' normal high end phone hardware, but don't forget that all Android phones up til now run games that are made for 'any' Android phone. There aren't any games that are truly made for one specific Android phone. The advantage of the Xperia Play is that it will be a platform of its own.

The games that will appear on the PlayStation Pocket market of the Xperia Play can be fully optimized to run on that specific hardware, taking advantage of all its features and all the possibilities of the hardware. They won't be held back by older Android versions, lower resolutions, lower available memory, etc. Very specialized engines and development tools can be developed.

I'd bet that especially the exclusive games created by Sony Computer Entertainment's studios (wasn't a God of War game rumored?) will look amazing, better than most if not all other phone games.

Also, those that think April is late for this device: I don't think any big games platform was ever released faster after its first official announcement (which will be in February it seems). You need some time to create hype and a marketing campaign for an ambitious product. We don't know any game titles yet for instance.

Lastly, I think going for lower end hardware will allow for lower (mass market) price and hopefully longer battery life, which is essential if playing games will be the primary use of the device. Using the CPU and GPU to their fullest should not last just 2-3 hours.

Still, we need much more details about the Xperia Play to judge it fully, but whining about it so much already is pointless imo.


ok first off i never said arc was a shit phone. i merely responded to some peoples posts about "wow the arc is the best phone announced so far" i was just correcting that fact, that if you look at the hardware specs it is hardly the best phone at CES, maybe the sexiest but not the best imo ofcourse. also people mentioning ( a.k.a KU ) that "well surprised you with arc specs" was not true imo. 90% of rumoured spec was what showed up in final announcement, so no, i dont believe there was some pleasant surprise, the phone was as expected, ofcourse bar the sexy design (if you really care about that stuff), which i dont hold in high regard when choosing a phone to last me 1 year, especially when it is most likely to be priced as a top high-end phone (my guess, but im pretty sure it will be).

also yes, i am very very disappointed with so far rumoured psphone specs. now i know you say wait till it actually comes out they may change but going by history with the arc roumours then announcement im pretty confident that psphone will have same specs as rumoured of now. this disappoints me greatly. imo ofcourse i hardly believe qualcomm/adreno setup is best for gaming.

now i know you say it is specialised gaming device, optimized, etc but i dont believe this, how is this optimized in any hardware spec way? it is qualcomm/adreno ffs, same as HTS desire HD and Desire Z, imo this does not qualify as optimized for gaming. yes you can optimize software to better run on such hardware but you'll hit limits way sooner. for example you can re-map an ECU on a car to get more HP but very soon you'll hit a limit and you have to now buy and add new parts and hardware.

For me this specs for psphone looks like a 2010 spec android phone with gamepad attached, that is all. i was really really hoping for some hardware spec attuned to real gaming. it would be better if made a gaming device first then added phone support, but this one they have made a normal mediocre android phone then added a gamepad.

i hear you people say that there are no games to really use dual-core anyway. i know this is true and yes current games are absolutely fine on current specs. but again this psphone may be announced in feb meaning like may/june release. which also means at least a few dual-core phones now in the market from other manufacturers. we can already see some games at CES running on dual-core phones and new tech. yes they will run on qualcomm/adreno but soon mark my words near end of 2011 a lot more developers are going to cater for better hardware, also keep in mind new iphone when that comes out. gaming boom will hit.

although psphone might do well with specific games written for its hardware, i really wanted to see psphone as a true mobile gaming device! this means i want to play my emulators, snes, genesis, psx AND new android titles that will inevitably come out! not just psphone titles, i would then rather buy the new psp2 if i could only play psphone titles well. Qualcomm/adreno hardware will reach its limit quick in this area IMO ofcourse. although yes you may be able to play psphone games fine, what about everything else? at the end of the day was'nt it meant to be an ANDROID gaming device?

i'll say this; i hope i am 100% wrong and surprise me big time! there is no one here more than me that wants this psphone to be a huge hit. but so far with rumoured specs about it, im not impressed. it does'nt have to be dual-core, it does'nt have to have 1080p record (i dont really care about this), but it needs better specialized gaming hardware specs! not avergae android phone specs with gamepad attached. they should make it like psp hardware, maybe a specialized cpu/gpu architecture similar to psp running maybe at 666MHz, then add android platform on top. IMO thats a better way to do it.

anyway lets hope im wrong and MY rumours about psphone are completely untrue! i wish this so much, not just for me but for success everywhere.

peace out!

Posted by KU
@zub: I give you a 20/20, because it is really impressive and I understand your disapointment . But actually as you are saying that psphone is shit, you said that the outdated hardware from the arc make it a shit phone, in addition to that in the second half of 2011 tegra 3 will make tegra 2 outdated!!! And you can't denie it as Samsung Orion and Qualcom's already do. So you're satement isn't sensible as whatever hardware SE put in this phone after sometimes you are going to say something like "why doesn't SE strike hard with X quadcore, 2gb ram and 64 gb internal memory because Droid does ( )"... Once again I repeat that the arc is excelent because you can do everything (apart video calls ) with it, and in these days the tech advances are 4G fast that even apple shit phones with stuppendus capability can't keep on without software combo's (Itune+mac+iphone+ipod with restriction and optimisations and that's all). So I don't understand why you whine about the xperia play because as I said SE isn't stupid enough to let people letdown their own game center to go for android or nvidia ones because it is the most silly way to go... And a it goes the solution is simple take this consolephone optimised games or go for the micro PC with nvidia ship (give money to SE or nvidia ).
Plus since satio I don't really believe the phone specs leaks (apart from rog, mizzle, se-first and virgile), because the friend/brother/slave (:-P) working at SE always make mistakes, even eldar prefered to show the chinese preview instead of making one.
Anyone has some info about the big front facing camera phone ???

Edit: neocore results xperia arc 63.4 fps and optimus 2X 67fps...
I SE
[ This Message was edited by: KU on 2011-01-09 02:19 ]


Posted by MyP910
to me :-

1) SE has outdone themselves.
2) SE always manage to come out with a design that distinguished them from the rest. How many time we've seen samsung, HTC, LG come out with a copycat design or lookalike design. SE has a good designer that differentiate themselves from making iphone-like design.
3) The UI and performance (based on the youtube video) are on their own league.

Congrats SE !

Posted by zub

On 2011-01-09 02:57:18, KU wrote:
@zub: I give you a 20/20, because it is really impressive and I understand your disapointment . But actually as you are saying that psphone is shit, you said that the outdated hardware from the arc make it a shit phone, in addition to that in the second half of 2011 tegra 3 will make tegra 2 outdated!!! And you can't denie it as Samsung Orion and Qualcom's already do. So you're satement isn't sensible as whatever hardware SE put in this phone after sometimes you are going to say something like "why doesn't SE strike hard with X quadcore, 2gb ram and 64 gb internal memory because Droid does ( )"... Once again I repeat that the arc is excelent because you can do everything (apart video calls ) with it, and in these days the tech advances are 4G fast that even apple shit phones with stuppendus capability can't keep on without software combo's (Itune+mac+iphone+ipod with restriction and optimisations and that's all). So I don't understand why you whine about the xperia play because as I said SE isn't stupid enough to let people letdown their own game center to go for android or nvidia ones because it is the most silly way to go... And a it goes the solution is simple take this consolephone optimised games or go for the micro PC with nvidia ship (give money to SE or nvidia ).
Plus since satio I don't really believe the phone specs leaks (apart from rog, mizzle, se-first and virgile), because the friend/brother/slave (:-P) working at SE always make mistakes, even eldar prefered to show the chinese preview instead of making one.
Anyone has some info about the big front facing camera phone ???

Edit: neocore results xperia arc 63.4 fps and optimus 2X 67fps...
I SE
[ This Message was edited by: KU on 2011-01-09 02:19 ]



ok, one; again i didnt say arc is shit or psphone is shit. yes the hardware is good but for todays standard not mid 2011 imo. as for arc im sure it is good enough to do everything that it needs, but im not too concerned about arc i am disappointed with psphone. now i am not saying the hardware is shit per se what im trying to say that it is the wrong type of hardware setup i would expect for a gaming mobile device! did you even read my post fully? i clearly said it does'nt need to be dual-core or whatever but i feel in some way at least it has to have some sort of specialized hardware for gaming, and i feel qualcomm/adreno combo is a poor choice!

also neocore benchmark cant be trusted for dual-core phones! it is not made for dual-core benchmarking! plus i believe it is based on running benchmarks on old Open GL, so wont give good results on graphic performance for todays phones! i used qualcomm/adreno in both HTC Desire HD and Desire Z, in REAL WORLD apps and games. and i can say the performance is good, but i can already see its limits, plus a year old hummingbird/old powerVR, can do the same performance which, i dont know is not a good sign to me.

Posted by KU
Like for arc extra offering (mobile-review mistakes ), the psphone will have some and I am defenitly sure of that. too tired of this thread even the benchmarks are wrong and shitty outdated ... Waiting for MWC 2011 fires after all these snobfogs...

I SE

Posted by zub
Anybody who's anybody knows neocore is old and outdated and can't be taken as a sold reliable benchmark
[ This Message was edited by: zub on 2011-01-09 04:12 ]


Posted by synn
FFS, STOP CRYING!

Do you even know what a gaming SYSTEM is all about? DO you know why some games run better on an iPhone 3Gs than say, a Galaxy S which has infinitely better hardware? Because the developer wrote the code for ONE device instead of a dozen.

The PSP Phone would be a single platform for which gaming code would be written, not one of many. It doesn't matter what is under the hood. Snapdragon, Adreno, whatever (You speak of these like it's second nature to you. Have you even SEEN a Snapdragon up close? But I digress). It could be an old ARM11 and it'd still work swell. Do you know what the hardware specs of the PSP? Look it up and you'll understand that it's doing so much with so little.

Here's something to think about. It's not just about the hardware. It's about code optimization. Things work so much better when you only have to code for one specific device. I couldn't care less what's under the hood if I could play Tekken 6 well on the device (And yes, it's coming as per some reports).

People like you are worse than those who judge a book by its cover. You judge 'em by the ISBN tag.

Seriously, FFS, stop whining until it's actually out and you get the feel of ot first hand. We heard you the first 50 times. We don't need to see the whining in every page.

Posted by >500
@synn
sadly, spec sheets are what most seem to care about these days. They seem to forget that if the software side of things...

Even with out dual care, bla bla bla, if the software has been implemented properly (ie, written to ensure you get the most of the hardware) theres no reason why phones like the ARC, PSP phone etc cant run smoothly...

Even with the most advanced hardware, if the software isnt right, then that hardware wont work too well!!!

Posted by zub

On 2011-01-09 04:39:02, synn wrote:
FFS, STOP CRYING!

Do you even know what a gaming SYSTEM is all about? DO you know why some games run better on an iPhone 3Gs than say, a Galaxy S which has infinitely better hardware? Because the developer wrote the code for ONE device instead of a dozen.


im sorry but last time i checked this was an ANDROID gaming device, right? you really think developers will just stop with every other device and just start coding games for the psphone? and if you read my posts properly you would see i clearly wrote that "yes games made for the psphone would probably run great". but i was looking at the bigger picture! a truely mobile gaming device! perhaps i missed something and maybe this phone was'nt meant to be that?


On 2011-01-09 04:39:02, synn wrote:

The PSP Phone would be a single platform for which gaming code would be written, not one of many. It doesn't matter what is under the hood. Snapdragon, Adreno, whatever (You speak of these like it's second nature to you. Have you even SEEN a Snapdragon up close? But I digress). It could be an old ARM11 and it'd still work swell. Do you know what the hardware specs of the PSP? Look it up and you'll understand that it's doing so much with so little.



again, i dont think you read my posts correctly. i would be happy if they implemented a cpu/gpu architecture similar to that of the psp, i know its so little hardware but does great things, but you forget this is completely different architecture specifically attuned to gaming! which i feel the psphone should have! hardware for gaming! and qualcomm/adreno is not really, its just standard android phone hardware. am i wrong in this?


On 2011-01-09 04:39:02, synn wrote:

Here's something to think about. It's not just about the hardware. It's about code optimization. Things work so much better when you only have to code for one specific device. I couldn't care less what's under the hood if I could play Tekken 6 well on the device (And yes, it's coming as per some reports).



again this is ANDROID. forget this one device mentality. yes psphone titles will likey run great, but as mentioned in my previous posts, i was thinking this should be a complete gaming experience that will run all games, emulated or android games alike. developers will be no doubt creating great games utilising better and better hardware that will be outside the rumoured psphone spec sheet. imagine the new iphone comes out, new games for it, you'll get ANDROID ports following for all android devices not just one psphone device. how will psphone hardware match up by 2012?


On 2011-01-09 04:39:02, synn wrote:

People like you are worse than those who judge a book by its cover. You judge 'em by the ISBN tag.

Seriously, FFS, stop whining until it's actually out and you get the feel of ot first hand. We heard you the first 50 times. We don't need to see the whining in every page.


im sorry you feel that way. im just responded to people views, as you are now. and im discussing the rumoured psphone, is'nt that allowed?

i feel there are too many people here who are too much in love with and whenever someone says something about that may not be in the best light, then he gets whacked. i'm sorry if i've offended anyone, but maybe im just trying to see the bigger picture here, i like , but i am also ready to criticize where i think they are going wrong. Problem?


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