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Posted by rog

On 2010-12-04 09:08:03, se_dude wrote:
@rog With HTC,Samsung,Moto and LG coming up with dual core proccys in spring, is that SE will have the most underpowered flagship in 2011?


To have a reliable comparison regarding performance, I guess we will have to wait for the final devices you mentioned. Performance / power is not only related to hardware capabilities, but also to how well laid out (=optimized) a system is for the particular HW... Or to put it short: try to skip the marketing, and judge based on facts


Posted by goldenface
^Amen to that.

Posted by se_dude
Well yes, but as Bert Nordberg himself mentioned, a phone with dual core proccy and 1080p recording and 720p screen sounds better and is better marketing that a better optimized phone. As with most people who keep running after decimal points, 2.1,2.2,2.3 without having much idea as t what it does to the system, the average Joe goes after features. Optimization is hardly a bragging point than a dual core proccy or better recording.

Posted by rog
Totally agree with what you say! 98% of the people go for the shiny labels on the box - in that respect, SE will definitely not be in pole position

Posted by goldenface
It's not doomed though. Anzu is looking quite good from what I've seen so far.

Posted by se_dude
But of course, if SE manages to keep it cheaper it will sell better IMO and with striking software. Also the fact that it brings nothing greater to the table than what X10 already has, someone who isnt regular in these forums wont make out much from another 1ghz snapdragon processor. I mean, leaving them side by side, the X10 and Anzu are both "same" from the Average Joe's point of view albiet with a better screen.

Posted by Lollylost100
Well, you did miss out a few important features, probably just to prove your point.

-HDMI port
-Exmor R sensor
-Full multitouch
-Qriocity
-thinner
-multicoloured back covers
-Timescape plugins

Posted by tranced
And those won't make it any cheaper.

Posted by synn

On 2010-12-04 11:20:06, se_dude wrote:
Well yes, but as Bert Nordberg himself mentioned, a phone with dual core proccy and 1080p recording and 720p screen sounds better and is better marketing that a better optimized phone. As with most people who keep running after decimal points, 2.1,2.2,2.3 without having much idea as t what it does to the system, the average Joe goes after features. Optimization is hardly a bragging point than a dual core proccy or better recording.


The average joe doesn't know jack shit about what version is running under the hood and of all the decimal places and hardware intricacies and all that. Only geeks go arguing about them for several pages.

Pick some random guy on the street, ask him what a Tegra 2 is and he will stand there with the mouth agape. Count on it.

Rog is absolutely right, judge a device by the UX, not some spec list. This idiocy has gone on for too long.

Posted by rog
There is actually 1 feature that hasn't been mentioned so far I think, which is quite interesting. But let's keep that there for now until we hear officially about it next year

@synn: agree, but that's where the marketing comes in: if the Average Joe has to decide between a phone with a 1GHz processor and a phone with 1.5GHz Dual Processor, with which one do you think he will go? Exactly, the 1.5GHz one. The only thing that can change his opinion is a significant price difference between those two. And that's the only chance that SE has, imho.
[ This Message was edited by: rog on 2010-12-04 17:12 ]


Posted by io_bg
On 2010-12-04 17:56:00, rog wrote:
There is actually 1 feature that hasn't been mentioned so far I think, which is quite interesting. But let's keep that there for now until we hear officially about it next year

C'mon, tell us what it is

Posted by pauvincent

On 2010-12-04 17:53:43, synn wrote:

On 2010-12-04 11:20:06, se_dude wrote:
Well yes, but as Bert Nordberg himself mentioned, a phone with dual core proccy and 1080p recording and 720p screen sounds better and is better marketing that a better optimized phone. As with most people who keep running after decimal points, 2.1,2.2,2.3 without having much idea as t what it does to the system, the average Joe goes after features. Optimization is hardly a bragging point than a dual core proccy or better recording.


The average joe doesn't know jack shit about what version is running under the hood and of all the decimal places and hardware intricacies and all that. Only geeks go arguing about them for several pages.

Pick some random guy on the street, ask him what a Tegra 2 is and he will stand there with the mouth agape. Count on it.

Rog is absolutely right, judge a device by the UX, not some spec list. This idiocy has gone on for too long.


most of the time average joe gets influenced by geeks in buying a phone geek's influence plus marketing equals to average joe buyng a high end spec wise phone
[ This Message was edited by: pauvincent on 2010-12-04 17:30 ]


Posted by se_dude
@synn- well. I think a dual core 1.5 ghz sounds better than 1 ghz. And so does full hd recording.

Posted by emuneee

On 2010-12-04 18:18:57, se_dude wrote:
@synn- well. I think a dual core 1.5 ghz sounds better than 1 ghz. And so does full hd recording.


(My opinion) There is no use case for a dual core 1.5GHz processor in a phone right now (or in the next 6-12 months). The first round of dual core processors will probably top out at 1GHz (+- 200MHz). You are not going to run two cores at 1.5GHz at anytime in a phone without killing battery life. The main (to me) purpose of moving to a dual core platform is processing/power efficiency not "balls to the wall performance" thats wasted on most users.

I think you will see higher spec'd processors (1.5GHz+ dual core) in tablets where they have the space for a bigger battery and higher thermal tolerances.
[ This Message was edited by: emuneee on 2010-12-04 17:50 ]


Posted by pauvincent

On 2010-12-04 18:49:41, emuneee wrote:

On 2010-12-04 18:18:57, se_dude wrote:
@synn- well. I think a dual core 1.5 ghz sounds better than 1 ghz. And so does full hd recording.


(My opinion) There is no use case for a dual core 1.5GHz processor in a phone right now (or in the next 6-12 months). The first round of dual core processors will probably top out at 1GHz (+- 200MHz). You are not going to run two cores at 1.5GHz at anytime in a phone without killing battery life. The main (to me) purpose of moving to a dual core platform is processing/power efficiency not "balls to the wall performance" thats wasted on most users.

I think you will see higher spec'd processors (1.5GHz+ dual core) in tablets where they have the space for a bigger battery and higher thermal tolerances.
[ This Message was edited by: emuneee on 2010-12-04 17:50 ]



unless they make a super batteries for phones
[ This Message was edited by: pauvincent on 2010-12-04 18:22 ]


Posted by mriley

On 2010-12-04 19:21:53, pauvincent wrote:
unless they make a super batteries for phones



How likely is that?
Battery technology is the main thing hindering the progress of smartphones, there's no point in having superfast processors and huge screens if battery life is greatly affected.

Posted by Lollylost100
@rog - USB On-The-Go?

Anzu will have a 1500MAh battery.
[ This Message was edited by: Lollylost100 on 2010-12-04 18:55 ]


Posted by io_bg
Speaking of batteries, how big will the PSP phone's one? The phone is quite bulky which makes me think it'll have a good battery (1800 mAh or maybe even more).
[ This Message was edited by: io_bg on 2010-12-04 18:56 ]


Posted by rog
@Lollylost100: no, it is related to the display. Enough said now!

Posted by kewsvnet

On 2010-12-04 21:18:42, rog wrote:
@Lollylost100: no, it is related to the display. Enough said now!



is that the XLED with Bravia branding??? which I understand is about similar to samsung's super amoled

btw....anyone got any more news on the other possible models from

mini/pro???
vivaz/pro???

i m really looking for something with a keyboard....not a very big fan of touchscreen keyboards!!!

Posted by ^^HAMID^^
@ ROG
Bravia brand u mean?


-Qriocity

what is this?
[ This Message was edited by: ^^HAMID^^ on 2010-12-04 20:42 ]

[ This Message was edited by: ^^HAMID^^ on 2010-12-04 20:42 ]


Posted by kewsvnet



-Qriocity

what is this?


http://www.qriocity.com/gb/en/
[ This Message was edited by: kewsvnet on 2010-12-04 21:03 ]


Posted by Lollylost100
@rog

Display
-4.2” FWVGA (854x480) Capacitive display
-X.LED multi-touch display
-Capacitive multi-touch
-Scratch resistant mineral glass
-16 Million display color
-Auto rotate

That's all info I have on the screen.

Posted by tranced
The specs are good for this device. Being a gaming device has made it a trustworthy device for them.

Posted by zub
where are you getting these specs from Lolly?

Posted by pauvincent

On 2010-12-04 23:52:13, Lollylost100 wrote:
@rog

Display
-4.2” FWVGA (854x480) Capacitive display
-X.LED multi-touch display
-Capacitive multi-touch
-Scratch resistant mineral glass
-16 Million display color
-Auto rotate

That's all info I have on the screen.


Sorry for not paying attention are these spec for anzu?or for the psp phone?
[ This Message was edited by: pauvincent on 2010-12-05 02:50 ]



Posted by tranced
I'm assuming that these specs are for the psp phone

Posted by se_dude
Btw does the Anzu have a 12mp sensor or an 8 mp one?

Posted by pauvincent

On 2010-12-05 04:39:23, tranced wrote:
I'm assuming that these specs are for the psp phone



Thats why im seeking clarification. from what i understand, its anzu's specs.anybody clear this one for me? kinda confuse

Posted by puestadelsol
In the last few months I've been thinking a lot to write a post in the rumours thread. Tonight I've read an article at mobile-review ( http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2010/birulki-95-en.shtml ), and that gave me the final boost to write here.
We can blame Eldar at mobile-review, but this time I totally agree with him. In this article he is absolutely right about Sony Ericsson. From a strictly theoretical financial approach the Sony Ericsson's management is doing a quite good job. The management represents the shareholders, and for them the SE is an investment, and the only thing they expect is to maximise their profit. But if SE would produce some phones with innovation, "X-factor", heart, or doesn't matter whatever you call it, it would be profitable not just in long-term, but mid-term too.
So I think these days the heart, the spirit is missing from SE phones. I remember the feeling when I got my K750 in 2005, when my sister got her W580.

My friend bought an X10 mini pro in September, and my sister an X8 on this week (which hasn't been in my hands yet). These are great phones. In the case of X10 mini pro I had almost the same feeling as with some great SE phones in the past, but quite soon I've realised that some functions, which were natural in SE phone over past 3-5 years are missing in this phone.
I like that they are customised in a way. BUT either with this customisation I can't fully recognize the Sony Ericcson style in the user interface, which was quite obvios in the Satio or Vivaz also. I know that for a good touch interface isn't enogh to revamp something, and that in some way the Android OS limits the possibilities in customisation. I've seen only on pictures and videos the X10's UI, but it is closer to the default Android UI than X10 mini or X8. This so called UXP is qiute pleasant, but for me is annoing that this blue one is the only available theme. I know that wallpapers can be used, and as long as messaging, phonebook, and almost anything are android apps is almost impossible to customise them with themes. But I hope that sometime will exist a clever solution which allows to change the appearance of UI and SE's applications from blue to some themes. As Chrsitmas is comming I could hardly imagine to have a phone without some nice Christmas themes, and to use just wallpapers.
The most annoying issue is the failure of bluetooth for file transfer. I know that there was an application, and with it you could send file, and recive too, in a complicated way, but fortunately the 2.1 update fixed it.
A further issue is that the Album of X10 mini, and X8 is very simple, and they has no file manager at all. Even my T300 and T310 had better skills in this domain, they just missed the zooming.
And generally the X10 mini, and X8 are missing some specifications which were usual in recent SE phones.

The X10 could be intended to be a flagship (smart)phone, it has at least the mediascape over the X10 mini and X8, but it doesn't really attracts me.

A new Sony Ericcson (Android ?) phone with customised UI, which includes themes, some more horizontal navigation in the menu instead of those long lists, a performant file and media manager with 8mp camera, xenon flash, and a HVGA screen, and not heavyer than 100-110 g, would be a perfect phone for me. (So almost identical with Satio/Vivaz specifications (or even also C905's ?), but better optimized, and capacitive screen, or keypad). Such a phone at/below a 300 euro price would be a clear winner.

Frankly I can't understand why the most of you are waiting some specification which are only higher values, numbers wothout any useful functionality behind them.
16 mp camera?... You would wish 20 or 40 mp camera if it would be phisically possible? -but fortunately is almost impossible. And just check the comparisons between the C901 and C905 camera. The C901 captures more details than C905. And I think either the Satio or Vivaz, or the X10 doesn't produces more detailed images than the C901.
A better resolution sreen... I understand that it makes the display clearer, etc, but I think is more expensive a bigger screen than the difference in sharpness or clarity of the image is.
However, the screen's technology shoud be more advanced, because those used by SE consume quite much energy.
[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2010-12-05 04:12 ]


Posted by heara
hello. what about satio upgrade?? anybody knows??

Posted by pauvincent

On 2010-12-05 05:44:44, heara wrote:
hello. what about satio upgrade?? anybody knows??


I think will bound to have a monster camera phone in 2011 although im not saying satio is the best camera phone in the current line up. Its bound to happen eventually

Posted by shaliron

On 2010-12-05 05:44:44, heara wrote:
what about satio upgrade?? anybody knows??


Don't expect one. Sony Ericsson has pulled out of developing Symbian phones—and for good reason IMO.

I'd bet that the Anzu and 'PSP phone' will be SE's sole high end touch phones for the year coming, both Android of course.

Posted by Shino03
@puestadelsol, I think eldar had missed to mention SE Japan. SE Japan is certainly different from the SE he was talking about. There's no cheap lcd displays or other cheap components to save costs. Almost everything must be premium like the Urbano Mond and S006. So I think the miracle is for SE Japan to do the r&d which will give them an edge over the competitors. Just like when they introduce the S700.
Just my opinion
[ This Message was edited by: Shino03 on 2010-12-05 06:55 ]


Posted by DarkKrypt
rog could be on about the pico projector, that has been in development by sony/sonyericsson for quite some time now. uses the camera, room lighting etc. to get the perfect picture on any type of wall/color wall.

or the rumoured pureness 2, which might be a (nearly)whole see through phone with the very of basic stuff that will be released in 2012 ( so 'they' say) maybe this time with 256 color * not 256k color


Posted by Lollylost100
@tranced - that was Anzu display specification.

Posted by pauvincent

On 2010-12-05 09:40:54, Lollylost100 wrote:
@tranced - that was Anzu display specification.


Goooooood i really need a new phone i'll probably buy anzu not unless a good camera phone comes along

Posted by Lollylost100

On 2010-12-05 04:47:38, se_dude wrote:
Btw does the Anzu have a 12mp sensor or an 8 mp one?


Anzu has an 8.1mpx Exmor R sensor.

Posted by Ricke77
Whats the major difference between Exmor R sensor and an ordinary one??

Posted by Lollylost100
On Exmor R sensors the light receiving surface and the photodiode are infront of the metal wiring and transistors.

Standard CMOS:


Exmor R:

[ This Message was edited by: Lollylost100 on 2010-12-05 12:51 ]


Posted by >500
Can't be bothered explaining my self... easy if ya just have a read on exmor r here
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/[....]chnology/theme/exmor_r_01.html

Edit : or just see above post lol
[ This Message was edited by: >500 on 2010-12-05 12:55 ]


Posted by Ricke77
Thanks for the info about Exmor! With other words, the Anzu will have a killer camera! Exmor also capable of taking 60 frames per second?? Now that is just fantastic. I guess I wont be needin my DV videocam anymore! I'm looking forward to this spring.

Edit: Stereo audio recording and 720p... Mmmmm Marabou!
[ This Message was edited by: Ricke77 on 2010-12-05 19:01 ]


Posted by mriley
Will the Anzu be thinner than the iPhone 4?

Posted by Lollylost100
No. I already gave the specs out.

Posted by mriley
Have you used one or just received specs of the phone?

Posted by NightBlade
Do you guys reckon Anzu's going to be announced on the 9th, though?

Posted by Lollylost100
The invitation was probably fake. Why is nobody going on about getting invited? And why France?

Posted by Lollylost100
The Anzu Neocore 3D benchmark was probably done without sound (which drastically changes the results). So comparing it to the chart from swedroid is pretty unfair.

Posted by heara

On 2010-12-05 07:50:51, shaliron wrote:

On 2010-12-05 05:44:44, heara wrote:
what about satio upgrade?? anybody knows??


Don't expect one. Sony Ericsson has pulled out of developing Symbian phones—and for good reason IMO.

I'd bet that the Anzu and 'PSP phone' will be SE's sole high end touch phones for the year coming, both Android of course.



i mean camera with xenon flash no matter the OS

Posted by Xajel

On 2010-12-05 07:50:51, shaliron wrote:

On 2010-12-05 05:44:44, heara wrote:
what about satio upgrade?? anybody knows??


Don't expect one. Sony Ericsson has pulled out of developing Symbian phones—and for good reason IMO.

I'd bet that the Anzu and 'PSP phone' will be SE's sole high end touch phones for the year coming, both Android of course.



I think he meant Android based successor, something similar to what rumoured to be an Android based successor to Vivaz...

Personally I think the time for MP racing has to be end, specially after N8... now a reasonably high MP is good but with more concetrate on IQ than just increasing the MP...

I mean an 8 or 12 MP camera is lower than 16MP in Image size... but having an 8/12MP with higher image quality camera is much better than just increasing the image size ( 16MP )...

I know even if you have a high quality 8MP image you can software resize it to 12MP and the image will be better than a low to mid quality 12MP image !! the noise is the problem.. when having a big MP in small area... the noise will be too much to handle and resizing the picture will resize the noise too.. but a clean picture with a quality image and no noise can be easly sw resized with less concern about noise

from technically POV, the Eximor R sensors are very good, having to capture more light from the source is better than capturing less light and then increase the brighteness... the noise captured is the same but while increasing the brighteness the noise will be higher... it's something related to the STN ratio ( Signal to Noise ) when ever it's higher it will be better as the original signal ( the Image information ) is higher related to the noise...


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