Posted by mlife
Ive been a LONG TIME registered user of this site but mostly just as a lurker till I recently left my other forum due to crazy amounts of spam and garbage posts... Is this site slowly headed down that road too???
How is it that a good picture (ie Bonovox's nunn) can be voted down and replaced by a bunch of rubbish (no offense intended to anyone personally). Not only that but it seems the same three or four users appear MULTIPLE times on the top page... Does it make you feel better to vote on your own photos and push them to the top? or vote on other photos and push them down.... WHERES THE FUN IN THAT??? And the end of the day YOU know who you are and should quite frankly be embarrassed that you have to manipulate votes to get any attention to your picture.
For a little while I had some pictures up but decided to delete them because as soon as I post something there is an immediate ONE posted to it... I'm no super camera phone photog but the pictures I posted CERTAINLY weren't a "1."
Unfortunately this childish behavior makes me (and I'm pretty sure likely others as well) not want to participate in sharing our photos. Or maybe it is just me and my perception of the "close" group here isn't really that accurate....
Thoughts, corrections... new perspective??? Im curious about others thoughts on this or if indeed, its "just me" that notices this?
[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2011-10-23 04:25 ]
Posted by Sassho
Hehe - here is not photoforum, no matter on which photo will be voted. Fun man and cheers.
Posted by hihihans
I did notice that it went back in stars but never looked further.
In photo-section it's meant to vote only once.
Posted by Bonovox
I have noticed the recent spate of very average photos. Thank you for your words sir.....
Posted by ceaser2008
Thats really shameful for ESATO.
This is the place where we all should be honest, honest with ourselves and with others as well.
Posted by mriley
I have noticed that too...
But despite what happens in the photo section, just because a photo isn't #1 doesn't mean that it isn't very good.
In short:
Posted by Bonovox
Posted by mlife
On 2010-10-19 19:01:26, mriley wrote:
.......... just because a photo isn't #1 doesn't mean that it isn't very good.
+1
Posted by Bonovox
It's the haters
jealous of another photos success then they rigg theirs
Posted by mlife
On 2010-10-19 07:24:00, Sassho wrote:
Hehe - here is not photoforum, no matter on which photo will be voted. Fun man and cheers.
True.. but when new users join the boards or visitors stop by.... do we want them seeing our "Average" stuff in the top list as far as what some of these phones can do?? I think it would benefit the community to have the WOW stuff on the "top" page so new users are more inclined to participate in discussions and maybe learn how to create GREAT images themselves... not learn how to manipulate the system to have their average stuff on top.... but that's just me
cheers
Posted by Bonovox
+1
Posted by mlife
On 2010-10-19 23:10:03, Bonovox wrote:
It's the haters
jealous of another photos success then they rigg theirs
True... what would be nice is to have the voting results visible to everyone, not just the owner of the photo... and then if you click on each bar (ie 1-10) you can see which voters gave you which rating.... this would (IMO) make people maybe more aware of whos dolling out all the "1's" and if there is a pattern..... maybe even require constructive feedback to be entered if scoring an image less than 3 and if scoring more than 8, require coments on what makes that a 9 or 10 for you... I think a lot could be learned and shared that way.... just a thought....
Posted by tranced
Sooner or later you'll have the answer to this. This is something that's been bothering me too. Not because my photos are not in the first top 10 page, it just that some unfairness has been done here.
We, the mods, have caught some of the members here cheating in the photo gallery before. But there will be something very useful to stop this soon.
Posted by Bonovox
Oh cool that would be good
Your contrast photo tranced recently was No.1
Posted by hihihans
There is work in progress.
We don't see the Mods all the time but it's made clear again they do more as we know. Thanks for being there.
Posted by Bonovox
Yes the mods are watching you
Posted by ceaser2008
Yes, thats good news from mods. Waiting for that to arrive.
Posted by mrjulius
can i spin?
Posted by Bonovox
This is the photo he is on about if not sure
Posted by ozil
nice one mr bonovox
Posted by jms2367
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Posted by wawawee
just change the voting system..most vote stay..maybe the mods can do that to avoid 'down fall' and some are just voting for their 'friends' pic because they know the poster hahaha
change the voting system
n_n
Posted by Bonovox
My pic is still hovering in the charts. It's a long stayer at least
proud of that pic at least it was a No.1 once[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-11-03 20:27 ]
Posted by hihihans
This voting is strange indeed.
My photo for November Mobile Phone Shootout was 5th (3stars) yesterday with 2 votes, 2nd (3.5stars) this morning with 3 votes, now it's 15th (3stars) with 5 votes.
I'm don't know how to read the diagram.
I'll keep you informed on the progress.
Posted by Bonovox
Yes,the rating in photos can make a photo suddenly jump or dip quite dramatically
Posted by hihihans
I'm down to 95 (3stars) 6 votes
Is this the calculating formula or an anti-smoke campaign
Posted by jms2367
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[ This Message was edited by: jojosiscar on 2010-11-10 11:37 ]
Posted by Bonovox
On 2010-11-06 11:20:55, hihihans wrote:
I'm down to 95 (3stars) 6 votes
Is this the calculating formula or an anti-smoke campaign
Anti smoke campaign
Posted by jms2367
.....
[ This Message was edited by: jojosiscar on 2010-11-10 11:36 ]
Posted by hihihans
Update. The sigarette is at 36 now has 3 stars and 8 votes.
Posted by ceaser2008
Congrats for the promotion.
Posted by Bonovox
My now famous pic in the church has 52 votes
Posted by ceaser2008
Thats awesome. Keep going mate.
Posted by Bonovox
Now @ 53 votes
Posted by jms2367
Hi Tranced. Another disgruntled user of the photo section here. Any news if the photo section's voting system will e modified?
Posted by jms2367
I have been looking at my photo for the past couple of weeks and it has been consistently in the top 10 with 24 votes. During the past few days, It has received about 4 votes of one (1) rating. I wonder if these are just newly created accounts.
Now it has been bumped to number 65.
[ This Message was edited by: jms2367 on 2010-12-27 09:06 ]
Posted by io_bg
On 2010-10-19 23:56:31, tranced wrote:
Sooner or later you'll have the answer to this. This is something that's been bothering me too. Not because my photos are not in the first top 10 page, it just that some unfairness has been done here.
Sooner or later you'll have the answer to this. This is something that's been bothering me too. Not because my photos are not in the first top 10 page, it just that some unfairness has been done here.
So a is a solution for the 1-mark voters problem is coming? I hope it is!
Posted by hihihans
The only problem here are the 1mark voters.
Posted by mriley
On 2010-10-19 23:56:31, tranced wrote:
Sooner or later you'll have the answer to this. This is something that's been bothering me too. Not because my photos are not in the first top 10 page, it just that some unfairness has been done here.
We, the mods, have caught some of the members here cheating in the photo gallery before. But there will be something very useful to stop this soon.
What happened about this?
Posted by Bonovox
Did you know that photo of mine i took on the Elm in the church before it dropped out the top 100 had 70 votes
Posted by laffen
The voting system keeps track of every vote. I know some members sign up with fake accounts just to influence the photo voting. I haven't had the time to create a script to find out who these members are.
I have the data, but not the tool for removing votes and banning members quick and easy. It will come, but I can't say when
Posted by hihihans
Thanks Laffen.
I just can't imagine why it is that some people want to vote pics down. Is it such a big deal to be in top 10
Posted by CecoBizona
The problem with the 1-mark voters is very serious lately, for an example I upload a couple of pictures in a couple of hours today and now each one of them have 10 votes with 1!!! I also have a photo with 18 votes with 1, not altered in any way.
I wonder about the people doing this, how many time they spent in downgrading others photos just to ensure their own stay in the top. Very stupid and pointless, but as I can see is important for some people here.
Posted by Marly
On 2011-04-07 09:41:56, hihihans wrote:
Thanks Laffen.
I just can't imagine why it is that some people want to vote pics down. Is it such a big deal to be in top 10
Can't imagine either, it's pathetic, these people need to get a life
Posted by Bonovox
Just to add. I recently took some photos on a Samsung Galaxy S of Lichfield Cathedral. Now I have deleted many of my photos recently and left a handful of my best. But I believe the Samsung photos to be of decent quality and I took time to make them good. But in the space of a few hours two of my shots received 27 votes each and virtually all were 1 star. Suspicious?? Indeed. I have my ideas who it is. Just cos sometimes a photo is NOT taken by a Sony Ericsson it gets voted down. Childish.
Posted by mlife
*Updated title of this thread so it is easier to find in searches.
Also wanted to ask a simple question that maybe a mod or laffen could answer. Is it possible to create way to disable voting on photos we upload? I would like to participate in the monthly photo contest but don't like providing the satisfaction to the "1" voters of voting me down so that may stay on top. Or, maybe change the script on the voting button so that it won't submit your vote without a comment attached.
This I feel would solve the issue as the "1" voters would be forced to reveal their user id when they voted thus making it very obvious if that user is always voting with only ones. Additionally, if the photo is truly a one, it would provide an opportunity for constructive feedback on why that photo is felt to deserve that score and how (in the opinion of that user) they could make it better.
Just an idea, your thoughts?
[ This Message was edited by: mlife on 2011-07-11 15:07 ]
Posted by emporium
...change the script on the voting button so that it won't submit your vote without a comment attached.
They again can write "good photo" and vote with 1.
..."1" voters would be forced to reveal their user id when they voted ...
Voting with 1 is not forbiden, so even if user id would be known, he couldn't be baned, only that can be done is to not vote for him. But again, because probably multiple account are "in game", he wont vote 1 with real profile.
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Posted by mlife
On 2011-07-11 16:33:26, dusan2 wrote:
...change the script on the voting button so that it won't submit your vote without a comment attached.
They again can write "good photo" and vote with 1.
But then their ID stating "good photo" with a "1" right next to it immediatly calls out the fake... the vote would need be attached to the feedback.
..."1" voters would be forced to reveal their user id when they voted ...
Voting with 1 is not forbiden, so even if user id would be known, he couldn't be baned, only that can be done is to not vote for him. But again, because probably multiple account are "in game", he wont vote 1 with real profile.
[ This Message was edited by: dusan2 on 2011-07-11 15:42 ]
Yes... I understand its not forbidden but once that ID is identified as one of the offenders, laffen could just go in and ban all ID's at that IP if the issue persisted. Obviously voting "1" will still happen becuse some photos deserve it, but if that user votes EVERYTHING a one, I think that is a red flag.
Posted by Bonovox
Strange one this. I find that depending on what phone I am using my scores are either high or low. I have used some Nokia phones or Samsung & mostly they get rated low ish yet they are still decent photos. Now I recently got a Neo my photos have shot up. I don't mind this but it seems some people are voting for their fave brand it seems. Though even with my Neo some shots still sometimes get a score of 2 or 4 but mostly high now.
Posted by emporium
still, voting for everything with 1 is not against site rules, the best thing mods can do, i think, is, first bring new rule - having more then one account is not allowed, then instal automatic sistem for baning multiple accounts, like some torrent sites have, so we will have one 1 from one user