Posted by harry20larry
Having owned cybershot SE phones from day 1, from K800 > k850 > c905, i finally gave up on the shitty build quality and pathetic performance (playing music in the background grounded everything to a halt).
I since went on to buy a 3GS, which took good photos, but with convincing. I now have an iPhone 4 and I can honestly say it is the best cam phone on the market, if not compact camera. This sounds extreme, but let me explain.
I have a DSLR, which is what I use when I want to take good pictures, compacts can't come close. However, 90% of pictures taken on compacts will end up on facebook, which is why iPhone is so good.
Not only does it take very nice photos, without the fuss of manual settings or strange problems I faced with SE phones, it allows you to edit them on your phone down to relatively advance levels. I am not one for doing this on my phone so I have an app called camera + which has an awesome array of photo tools to give pictures life.
Not only this, but once you have created these photos, you can upload them straight to facebook, anywhere. Which is why I think the iPhone wins as a compact since it completes all 3 of the main tasks in one device/app instead of using 3 different things.
The camera performance of the iPhone is vastly improved from the 3GS, however, it is still not inline with that of compacts, however, test have shown that it has better photo quality than 8MP cam phones. Its not as such about the mega pixel count, but how you use them, which is what I think SE have forgotten.
+ the retina display is phenomenal
Here are some photos I took without any editing:
With camera +:
[ This Message was edited by: harry20larry on 2010-07-13 13:22 ]
Posted by AbuBasim
Very good shots but you say that you didn't edit any of the photos. Do you mean editing after downloading from the iPhone instead of in-phone apps? A couple of the shots have clearly been treated to some editing. Like this panorama shot:
And this with a smoke-like frame:
If you use iPhone apps then which ones? I use AutoStitch for stitching panoramic shots.
[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2010-07-13 14:31 ]
Posted by Jkovacz
Flamebait
And good to see colours (like the blue sky) are as exagerated as they were on the 3G S
Now over to the other subjective disagreers
Posted by AbuBasim
The blue sky looks a bit boosted except in the second shot which looks normal, just like from the 3GS.
Posted by harry20larry
the panoramic was not altered, just put through autostitch.
Yer, the brown one was edited in camera + on my iPhone, but i did mention that.
The one with the very blue sky is directly from the camera, I personally think the camera app that apple has as the default saturates some colours.
Posted by skblakee
Is it safe to say then that with the inbuilt apps that it is easier to handle photos than on other phones but that the iP4's cameras is not necessarily the best one on the market as the topic says?
Posted by masada1971
the theory that i phone is no1 camera phone is only yours,and you cannot manipulate or give title by yourself..is only your point of view and you cannot make others beleive so...
[ This Message was edited by: masada1971 on 2010-07-13 16:10 ]
Posted by Nanu
perhaps the photos are best seen/left on the retina display as they don't look any better than any other photographs taken by any other mobile phone with a 5MP camera that I have seen displayed on my PC monitor, I'd even go as far as to say I have seen better.
Posted by buntoo
On 2010-07-13 17:09:08, masada1971 wrote:
the theory that i phone is no1 camera phone is only yours,and you cannot manipulate or give title by yourself..is only your point of view and you cannot make others beleive so...
[ This Message was edited by: masada1971 on 2010-07-13 16:10 ]
+1
Posted by julias
Sorry but not impressed with those at all The pictures taken with the E72 are far superior
Posted by Bonovox
LMFAO
Posted by Tom-Helge
And where is the link to the full resolution of those pictures?
But i don't think you want to me to post my pictures that i have taken with my XPERIA X10, because those are better than the iPhone 4 pictures here.
EDIT: Nevermind, i'm gonna post one picture taken by my XPERIA X10 anyways. Just check this Picture out.
The picture might not be as clear as the pictures are from iPhone 4, but check how little noise there is on that picture from me. The iPhone 4 have alot of noises in the pictures it takes.
So the overall picture quality just looks better on the XPERIA X10.
[ This Message was edited by: Tom-Helge on 2010-07-13 19:21 ]
Posted by Bonovox
What's wrong with the blue in 2 of them photos it looks like they have been drawn in by a crayon. Sorry but where & what exactly is different or better about the pictures here? I fail to see them as better than a DSLR or near to compact camera quality or better than every other camera phone on the market. The 3rd picture down there is blurring in the distance with the trees & no detail at all. My X10 is far better I am sorry to say to you & ruin your thread. But you put them up here for people to see & debate over you will get opinions. The truth is your judging them imo by the retina display correct me if I am wrong? And how is it the best? It has no Xenon flash & I still think the best(not judging by mega pixels)camera phone around still is the Satio for all round quality. You talk of uploading your pics on the iphone 4 to Face Book. So does half the touch screen mobiles out there today do the same it's nothing new
Why did you not do a comparison thread to one or two other top camera phones instead with full size photos? Iphone 4 yes is a great phone but not the best camera phone on the market by a long shot [ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-07-13 18:54 ]
Posted by jj03
agreed with bono. While they are ok, they are hardly 'the best'. I can think of quite a few handsets that, judging from the pics you posted, take far better pics than the iphone4. I was expecting a link with a quote from mr jobs sayin it is. .therefore it is. Lol.
Posted by Barachus
On this forum saying the iPhone is the 'best' at anything is like a red rag to a bull.
I am actually very disappointed in the lack of proper venom and raving detractions in the replies
Posted by harry20larry
I think I didn't clarify my point clearly. This is my humble opinion, I am not forcing it onto you, I am sharing it...
I have never met a person with a compact or a cam phone that actually uses pictures taken on it for stuff you would use a DSLR for, please say if you have. My argument is, that most photos these days end up on social network. Whilst I am definitely not saying the iPhone has the best quality sensor on the market, I am saying that I believe that it does the best job out any cam phone or compact of taking good quality photo, then processing it, then uploading to which ever site.
Of course I know that other phones can do this, but they come nowhere near to the iPhone regards how they do it, I have owned both, I can honestly say the iPhone is so far ahead of anything. The proof of the pudding here is the fact that the iPhone is the second most used camera on flickr, behind the rebel. And it is also the most used phone to upload photos to facebook. These must say something?
Although the xenon flash on my dslr is very good, my experience with the xenon flash on my SE phones was terrible. Pictures had dust reflection in them, anything as close 3m was flash burnt. I am not saying led does any better, but I think there is still much work needed to be done to make mobiles shoot good photos in the dark.
Just my two cents...
Posted by skblakee
On 2010-07-14 00:02:52, harry20larry wrote:
My argument is, that most photos these days end up on social network. Whilst I am definitely not saying the iPhone has the best quality sensor on the market, I am saying that I believe that it does the best job out any cam phone or compact of taking good quality photo, then processing it, then uploading to which ever site.
Okay then, there you go. That argument I can understand. Software wise Apple might be the best then.
Regards
skblakee
Posted by MyP910
you should look at this thread : http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=195111
even the mini produce amazing pictures
[ This Message was edited by: tranced on 2010-07-14 04:43 ]
Posted by max_wedge
On 2010-07-14 00:02:52, harry20larry wrote:
Of course I know that other phones can do this, but they come nowhere near to the iPhone regards how they do it, I have owned both, I can honestly say the iPhone is so far ahead of anything. The proof of the pudding here is the fact that the iPhone is the second most used camera on flickr, behind the rebel. And it is also the most used phone to upload photos to facebook. These must say something?
No, all it says is that the iphone eco system supports upploading to social sites better than other handsets. It says nothing about the camera's abilitites. I've been uploading photos to facebook and flickr ever since the SE K750, but the C905 and onwards can be classed as fair dinkum compact cameras. The iphone has always had a pretty mediocre camera, so now iphone 4 has fixed this but it hasn't put it in front of other flagship cameraphones - it has just narrowed the gap.
Although the xenon flash on my dslr is very good, my experience with the xenon flash on my SE phones was terrible. Pictures had dust reflection in them, anything as close 3m was flash burnt. I am not saying led does any better, but I think there is still much work needed to be done to make mobiles shoot good photos in the dark.
Just my two cents...
No, the xenon flash on the K800 was pretty mediocre (the K750 LED flash did a better job), but the xenon flash on C905 works really well up to 3 metres or so, and the Satio flash is better than many compacts, even illuminating subjects 5 metres distant or more.
Posted by kay188
The iPhone fail, sorry, I mean 4, is a 5MP camera phone... while the current standard for camera phones are 8MP, and slowly becoming 10MP, and 12MP.
Take a look at the Japanese phones released by DoCoMo, which are released by Panasonic, Sharp, Sony, NEC.
They're ALL 8MP and ABOVE.
The quality that comes from Sharp phones such as the SH-01A that started it all, is beyond anything the iPhone fail can ever capture.
Those phones have CCD sensors which are superior to CMOS in digital cameras.
Remember.. leading market is 12MP now.. where as the iPhone fail, is STILL a 5MP camera.
Hell, even video calling is SO 2008. I could do that with my K850.
Even the Japanese phones have had video calling since... EVER.
You can't say the iPhone fail is the best camera phone you've used.
Clearly you haven't used any better.
My 2c. Not to flame you.
Posted by Lollylost100
Megapixels aren't the only aspects of quality, because I am sure that many 5mp mobile phone cameras can take better shots than 8 or even 12mp. This is because it's hard to cram all 12 million pixels into such a small sensor, therefore reducing quality of shots.
Satio (12mp) v C901 (5mp) comparison: http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/?prod_id=3294&tid=4302066
Posted by mriley
I agree with Lollylost, it's also the case with C905 vs C901.
Posted by Bonovox
+1
Posted by ares
Iīve been using it (iphone 4), and itīs one of the top camera phones for sure, unlike some haters here want to believe...
This guys explains it better
http://forums.dpreview.com/fo[....]sp?forum=1017&message=35873345
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2010-09-28 10:25 ]
Posted by fairen
We all have different opinions. I for one think iPhone's camera, although only 5MP, produces some of the best pics I've ever seen but I honestly find Nokia N8's cam quality more superior (obviously, with the 12 MP and all) and I am actually thinking of getting one from timtechs hopefully before the end of the month.
Posted by Bonovox
Having had iphone 4 i think yes the camera is good but its by no means the best or amazing. I find the colours unrealistic very over saturated. Also it lacks sharpness even zooming in one step you see no detail at all its all grainy. I know it does not suffer from over processing but nothing is natural in the pictures at all.
Posted by AbuBasim
^^^ I think you're right, bono. After looking at your uploads in the gallery I can only agree that the iPhone 4 camera stinks. And I was so close to buying one myself. Hello N8, here I come!
Posted by Bonovox
This pic I took recently(I no longer have iphone4 for various reasons)What this pic shows is not what my eyes could see. Totally over the top colours & as you know iphone 4 has no settings so it was auto. It's almost an oil painting
Original
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-10-21 20:54 ]
Posted by AbuBasim
I see you have fresh uploads from other camphones. Why not shoot a couple of comparisons?
Posted by davidsic
Sometimes it's oil painting in strong sunlight but not everytime. It's the iPhone man, not a dedicated cameraphone !
[ This Message was edited by: davidsic on 2010-10-21 21:07 ]
Posted by ares
then thereīs the fact no other phone has such amazing photography dedicated apps at its disposal...camera+ is an example...instagram is other...
Posted by fairen
On 2010-10-21 21:52:01, Bonovox wrote:
This pic I took recently(I no longer have iphone4 for various reasons)What this pic shows is not what my eyes could see. Totally over the top colours & as you know iphone 4 has no settings so it was auto. It's almost an oil painting
Original
[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-10-21 20:54 ]
Wow this photo is divine! I am speechless....
Posted by shaliron
On 2010-09-27 15:39:41, kay188 wrote:
The iPhone fail, sorry, I mean 4, is a 5MP camera phone... while the current standard for camera phones are 8MP, and slowly becoming 10MP, and 12MP.
...Remember.. leading market is 12MP now.. where as the iPhone fail, is STILL a 5MP camera.
Megapixels are not the be all and end all of quality, in fact more megapixels on such small sensors are often detrimental to image quality. For example, the Panasonic LX-3 is regarded as one of the highest quality compact cameras available. It 'only' has a 10 megapixel sensor.
In fact many DSLRs are hovering around the 1214 megapixel mark because image quality tends to drop beyond that point (for the moment at least). Let's remember than their sensor sizes are far bigger than that of a camera phone.
The quality that comes from Sharp phones such as the SH-01A that started it all, is beyond anything the iPhone fail can ever capture.
Those phones have CCD sensors which are superior to CMOS in digital cameras.
Those phones have CCD sensors which are superior to CMOS in digital cameras.
CMOS sensors are pretty much standard across DSLRs and at this point are the sensor technology of the future, displacing the use of CCD sensors. The statement that CCD is outright better than CMOS is patently false.
I think the point of the original poster was that the iPhone 4 is the best camera phone on the market because it is perfect for its intended use. All that most point and shoot consumers users generally do these days is take photos and upload them to Facebook. Done. In most cases the iPhone 4 takes consistently bright, sharp, and 'appealing' photos which suit the purpose of those users perfectly, and once resized down to 720x540px, the end result is pretty much indistinguishable from a compact anyway.
When you think about this in the context of the iPhone 4 with its array of apps and easy to use philosophy, it makes editing and sharing the photos easy, and ultimately for the average consumer the iPhone 4 is the best 'camera phone' on the market.
Note the difference between the best 'camera phone' and the best 'camera on a phone'.
[ This Message was edited by: shaliron on 2010-11-17 08:38 ]
Posted by rikken
Well spoken
The megapix race has misled consumers to believe the more mpix the better quality The iPhone 4 has a great camera both when it comes to picture quality and how easy it is to use
Posted by dizzybee
I completely agree with the first post. No faffing around with USB cables and all that shit, just straight onto facebook. And when I want to show people I just whip it out and find the pic. The fact I can easily store the photos from my laptop on there as well is also pretty handy.
As for the facebook integration, blackberry is better. You simply press the blackberry button (or whatever its called) and one of the options is to upload it to facebook. Much quicker and would like to see that on my iphone.
The cam on the iphone isn't the best, but then no phone is gona be as good as a camera really.
Posted by gamerdude
Damn, can't see the pics in the first post any more.
I personally think the pictures on the iPhone 4 aren't great, I find it really hard not to take a blurry one.
Posted by tranced
Check these dude http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=196896