Posted by nyk_2702
The topic 'Middle East' was deleted..
I would like to please know Y it was deleted?
Wat was wrong with it?
Posted by royalty
wrong time wrong plase think so
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Posted by nyk_2702
Wat do U mean wrong time wrong place?
Wats so bad about the timing.. There isnt anything other than the usuall going on in the Middle East
And wat place?
There are many topics much worse than this one.. The topic was in a mobile free Zone forum.. I dont think there was any really good reason for deleting the topic..
Would the moderators or some1 who nows wats happening please tell me Y the Topic was deleted?
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Posted by jellyellie
Maybe if it was too big (a high number of posts) then 90% of it wouldn't be read therefore it was taking up valuable bandwith.
Posted by nyk_2702
If that was the case I wouldnt say anything
But the topic was created today!!
It only had about 6 replies last time I checked.
Wen I came backlater to check it, it was deleted!
Any moderators able to say Y this happened ?
Posted by ElGato
What was written in the post then?
Maybe it was something there that was against regulations..
Posted by nyk_2702
It was a discussion about the affairs in the side Middle East and people's opinions.. I didnt see anything that is harmful or disrespectful to anybody!
Posted by ElGato
Isn't the topic about the columbia space shuttle also deleted?
I can't find it =/
Posted by nyk_2702
I dont know
U can try searching for it
Moderators:
Come on reply on Y the topic was deleted!!!
Posted by ElGato
I didn't find it in search, prolly deleted also.
But there was political talk in that thread to.. maybe it's some new rules about politic..
Posted by nyk_2702
There are many threads in this site that have politics in them.. Ive read a few Surely they cant just make some rule up like that without telling every1...
Moderators -
Any kind of response woul be GREATLY welcome!
Posted by spike731
Censorship of this type REALLY bugs me, its as if the moderators have forgotten the definition of the word forum. A forum is the perfect place to discuss current news affairs like those mentioned. If the threads were in mobile free forum (using wap I cannot say) then there is no justification whatsoever in deleting them. At a time when notorious Muslim torrorist Abu Hamza is legally permitted to spout anti British hatred on the streets of London, it appears that esato is banning intelligent discussions on..
Posted by nyk_2702
Come one Moderators
Giv us a reason Y it was deleted.. Wats wrong with having a Political discussion in a Mobile free forum ?
Posted by spike731
....the very real and pertinent issues of the day. This is not an issue to be taken lightly, and I believe I speak for the majority when I call for Laffen himself to answer why this action was taken by a member of his team.
Posted by tias
I agree i think we should be able to talk abt whatever we want
Posted by tranquil
I'll explain.
First I need to appologise for the delay of my reply, but I'm not by my PC all the time.
The topic has not been deleted, it's moved to a closed forum for Moderators to be looked at a bit closer.
The reason I moved the two topics was quite simple, they were not "intelligent discussions" in the end. "God will never let us lose against Israel and USA!!", "yes, tomorrow i will come into your home kick you out, destroy your other shelters, set up a militray and give you a curfew. and you are not allowed to fight back." and mixing Bin Laden into it all is not what I call intelligent frazes in a discussions.
Out of experience I found it best to keep an eye on them and they both started off in a good manner but they both ended up a bit OTT.
I think deleting one reply (Censorship toward one member) is worse than quaratene the topic.
I'll admit to having misjudged it if Laffen decides they ought to go back into the forum.
You will have a personal excuse from me if that will be the case.
Tranquil
Posted by Dj Boyi
After all,this is a mobile phone forum,read what it says at the top of the homepage.
Anyway i'm sure there's plenty of forums for these kind of discussions elsewhere on the net,i know i posted a reply on the shuttle thread but ppl started posting ridiculous stuff on there and that really pisses me off when ppl come along and start talking out of their arse's,i mean,as if bin laden has got anything to do with it and then hamza starts calling it a 'sign from God',oh please,it was a terrible accident.
Space travel IS still new you know.
Posted by nyk_2702
Hello again
Whilst I may not agree with all the 'radical' views written by some people, the topic was placed in a 'Mobile Free Zone' Although people are saying that wat is sed is terrible, the things written are peoples' opinions. U cant really tell people not write what they think in a Discussion Forum..
I know this isnt a political discussion website, there is a Mobile Free Zone which means that people are able to talk about other things when they dont have any problems with their phones. If u want to censor then just edit certain comments if they are too 'radical', but deleting a whole discussion topic is a bit OTT..
Posted by mariolouis
well..
Posted by Jim
@ tranquil: I think it was a good move of you ... BUT ... lets bring back the two thread cause a forum is a place to share opinions, ideas, and lot's of others things, I know about the stupid post but it's easier to discuss with the mods and delete the stupid post and give a warning to the guy than delete the whole thread and if the guy won't listen to the multiple warnings just make a temp ban ....
My point of view
Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
thank Allah it was deleted!
Posted by nyk_2702
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And we should Thank Allah it was deleted because?
Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
because i know he does not want any war or jihad anymore. peace is the right path to take. hate, anger, war is like the devil that consumes your soul.
Posted by nyk_2702
OK I agree with U about the war bit..
But how is having a discussion on the internet going to be like a war?
people are just voicing their opinions....
Posted by tranquil
I tend to agree with Boyi...
Posted by T68iFan
There are thousands of message forums on the internet where users can express their political opinions.
One of the things I like most about Esato is that its users, who represent almost every nation, can share ideas and enthusiasm about mobile phone technology without racial, religious or political prejudice.
I feel politically charged discussions on Esato would only divide the user base and detract from the site's mission.
Esato's mission, in addition to providing free logos, ringtones, etc., is to provide a discussion forum in which users can talk about stuff related to mobile phones. Yes, there is a 'mobile-free' zone, but I think it was intended to be space where users can talk about lighter, off-topic subjects, like which is their favorite James Bond movie, or what new music they're listening to.
Allowing emotionally-charged threads about the Middle-East situation falls way beyond the scope of this site. I support the moderators' efforts to keep Esato politics-free.
Go somewhere else if you must discuss it.
Posted by Raven
How come americans tend to concider themselves the center of the universe. How come that every bad thing that happens to them becomes one of history's greatest tragedies, and call upon the whole world to sympatise with them. How come that the lifes of seven astronauts is more important than the thousands of people who face tragic deaths every day often caused by american politics/financial interests. 7 astronauts who've probably lived exciting and fullfilling lives, knowing the dangers of their occupation is suddenly more important than half a million Iraqian children who died under amarican bombs. That's the power of the 'world police' and controlled media.
Posted by nyk_2702
I agree Esato is a mobile phone site, and that should be the main topic of discussions..
However, some people may want to discuss such matters as well...
Im not saying people should start voicing racist prejudice views, however discussions about whats happening shouldnt be frowned upon..
The current events happening now are very important..
People may want to discuss these with people who arent political or fanatics, in such forums as the one present on Esato..
As for saying that the opinions may divide people on this site, this is an HUGE exagerration...
Different people have different views, as long as no1 is swearing or targeting a specific person, I dont think anybody is immature enough to become upset whilst reading people's opinions about certain topics...
In fact, different points of views will enable people to understand WHY certain groups of people feel a certain way and why they act in a certain way...
Posted by nyk_2702
So wats gonna happen to the discussion topic?
Any moderatos keen to comment on its future?
Posted by fijbert
Raven.. I totally agree with u
but I hv an answer
it's called american ignorance..
they really DO think they r the center of the world..
it comes as a shock to them that they r not immortal, becuz they really do believe they r immortal..
us canadians hv tried to teach them that there r ppl that dont understand english..
speaking of astronauts..
what does NASA stand for? Needs Another Seven Astronauts
hehehehe
dont mean to offend n e one.. just got that in a SMS today
Posted by kaaspad
I agree with NYK which is an odd thing, because in my opinion the first part of his location doesn't even exist and I'm sure that on most subjects we wouldn't agree on anything.... but as long as we are all calm and mature about it there is no reason not to add a little spice to a "mobile technology" forum and discuss certain current affairs.
@raven, dude your comment is totally out of place, I actually can understand you though with you being from Norway and everything, I believe that you are so not connected to reality that you don't understand the pain the american and israeli people are going thru when the 7 best that they can offer are disentegrated... I believe as I would hope most people here do believe that this is a big deal, sure Iraqi children are important too, but then that's what America is doing with the proposed war; by replacing the horrible dictatorship driven by a madman, they are giving hope to the children of Iraq. Why don't you crawl out of that little hole you are writing from, see some world, come to places where what you see on the news are daily happenings for some of us, and then only then you might have the humbling right to express your opinions in a fashion that we might give a sh*t about them.
Posted by ElGato
It's really hard to avoid political discussions, I mean just look at this thread.. slightest thing sets of a reaction.
This thread asked the question why some other thread was deleted, and now this thread is no much different than the ones who were deleted.. you just can't avoid political talk cause it's peoples opinions, and people always want to express their opinions.
I understand why some want to be able to discuss politics here at esato, and why some don't.
My opinion (hehe, I have an opinion) is that moderators leave the political forums just the way they are, unless it gets out of hand, and delete posts that goes to far instead of the whole topic. I know this is time-consuming and no fun, but esato-users can send a mess to an moderator if there's something or someone that needs to be censored (like racism, foul language or bad behaviour).
Cause there are a lot of people out there who can discuss their views without losing their minds.
One must be able to express ones opinion, if it's in the right forum.. unless it's just a way to piss poeple off.
My suggestion is that esato-users keep watch and report misbehaivour to help the nice moderators.. =)
Posted by fijbert
@kaaspad
they r helping iraqis by blowing them up to bits like the astronauts..
I mean, I feel bad for em..
but did they really need to cancel my shows for them?
put em on the news, where they belong..
the world shld not mourn 7 disintegrated americans and not 100 starved africans for example..
what about lil african starved boy Timmy who never got food? let's cancel shows for lil Timmy.. let's take a moment of silence for lil Timmy...
*a moment later*
y cant we respect lil Timmy for his couragious life of starving day in day out like we respect those guys who got blown up in the air?
cuz they hv been to space? so what? I cldnt care less..
they arent special, they didnt do n e thing that the world will remember except for blowing up...I think lil Timmy deserves as much respect as Mr atomized.. I bet u that those astonauts wldnt hv even seen the news if they had made it back alive..
7 americans died that day.. 100 africans died that day..
I dont believe 7 americans r worth more than 100 africans..
they had a phallus just like the rest of em.. they had a brain just like the rest of em, so y no ceremony for poor lil Timmy..
what do u think lil Timmy's dad is saying? I know what: "y r those idiot americans not venering my lil Timmy but venering ppl that dont hv a body n e more?"
so for all those who dont respect lil Timmy.. FOR SHAME!!!
so remember, gv to the african kids so that they can eat...
this message has been brought to u by the Foundation to help lil Timmy and friends...
non profit
Posted by arus
I totally agree with T68iFan and support the moderator. As Esato site targeting is for mobile-technology related. And if you have an opinion related to politics or racials, just place at other site.
Posted by Wuz
Firstly, what an interesting thread - that is, the main theme of what should be allowed on Esato and what should not.
However, rather than approach this from an ethical point of view (surely the preserve of the originators of this site?), I would suggest the, as yet, unmentioned pratical viewpoint determines the rules. You see its all ends up being about the medium itself. The web allows us the opportunity to interact. Sure, moderators can to a degree censor after the event. But at the end of the day, a determined poster can continue to post his/her views at will and as often as they want. The majority might not like it, but whilst the medium itself is the gateway to discussion, cencorship by those who run the site is by definition merely an expression of intent.
Posted by T68iFan
@kaaspad
I very much respect your position, and I feel we probably share many of the same political views.
I would love to believe that everyone on Esato is mature, calm and rational enough to discuss this issue. However, judging by previous threads, I can assure you such a thread would rapidly deteriorate into rampant flaming, name calling and hate spewing. Even some of the comments found on this very page demonstrate the severity of some people’s ignorance.
There is no possible way for anyone here to adequately present all the historical background required to make a moral judgment on the issue. If allowed to continue, only short (and probably inaccurate) statements, taken totally out of context, will be thrown around, accusing the other side of wrongdoing.
@Wuz
There are no constitutional amendments protecting free speech on Esato. Do you suggest it is wrong for the site owners to realize their ‘intent’ by restricting threads or banning abusive users?
@People
Can't Esato be a refuge for those wanting to escape all the political turmoil in the world?
If this topic is so important to you, please create your own board and post a link here on Esato so interested parties can visit.
Posted by nyk_2702
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@kaaspad
I agreed with U on the fact that discussions should be calm and peaceful..
palestine doesnt exist? Where do the suicide bombers come up? The Moon?
i think the Iraq war, is the the biggest LIE in history..
There was a document leaked into an arabic newspaper, which showed why the Yanks want the Oil in Iraq..
China is a Rapidly going country.. In terms of Army and Economy. This means that soon China will be another World Policing Country, which means that the Yanks cant go throwing their weight around every part of the earth... This is why the Yanks want the oil, so as so attempt to dictate or slow down China's growth, so as not to threaten american superiority...
They plan to drop 800 Cruise missiles in the first couple of days!!!
When u hear this do uactually believe that these will 'aid' iraqi children? There is no way that 800 cruise missiles will be all 'smart' missiles that hit specific targests? We all know thats not tru..
As for helping the iraqi children, then wat about the continued bombimg of the north and south, and the economic sanctions
These hav killed millions of iraqi's over the last 12 years...
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Posted by tranquil
Why don't we just remove the whole "Mobile Free Zone"? Then Esato can be what it was intended to be, a Moile Phone Site...
(Now, that ought to get you going
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Posted by Raven
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lol... I'm the one who's not connected to reality? How naive can a person get... You are telling me to watch the news, I am telling you to NOT believe everything you hear/read! And FYI I've travelled the world and know what's going on, you're the one who needs to crawl out of your hole. And even if I didn't have a clue I still have every damn right to express my opinions.
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@fijbert, and everyone else for that matter. "american ignorance," I can't see how you can even say that until you come and meet every last one of us. I admit I have met alot of stupid people, but we all aren't ignorant, nor do we think we are the center of the world. Actions our government takes does not necessarily reflect our opinions. I have no say-so what goes on in Washington. There is nothing I can do about it. But this whole americans think they are better then us attitude you have, along with many other people, is crap. Never once have I myself(and most all people I know) ever thought I was better then someone else. I'm sorry, I'm just sick of hearing stuff like that when you don't know me, so why do you assume all of us, including me whom you don't know, are like that? Thats just harsh..........Ok I'll shut up now.
Posted by ElGato
No, the american people is not stupid, atleast not the majority.
But one thing the majority is, is brainwashed.
Just look at whose king of the hill, you voted Al Gore and got George W. Bush, and you don't do a thing about it when it's so obvious it's wrong. You get lame exuses in media. Like Bush's father and power had nothing to do with his son becoming the president.
And this is supposed to be the land of the free, the land of democracy, when you (the people) don't do anything about your situation. Your country is run by a bunch of loonies with hybris.
And then Bush has the guts to say, in a national speech, that every country has the right to choose it's own leader, and every country has the right to have democracy.
Like the american government had nothing to do with the election in Nicaragua.
I think it's time for the american people (and other countries) to put and end to this bullsh*t.
America is a great country, but it's being run by the wrong people.
I can actually see no difference between Hitler and Bush.. oh yes I can, Hitler was his own man and was driven by hate.
Bush has the government behind him, so he's immune, and he's driven by greed and stupidity.
Posted by fijbert
@ElGato
totally agree
it will fall just like the roman empire..
it's sad that something with much potential must go through this..
but hey, it's the path they hv chosen..
well one question for americans: y do u guys think that u can police the world?
Posted by mrj82
Police the world? How could we all possibly have a say in that, its not up to the people any more. I agree with ElGato. But the little guys like myself can't do a thing to stop it. Honestly I think we should stay out of every other countries buisness, but what do I know. I'm only a voter, tax payer, and so on, I mean nothing to the politicans. Great country I live in here........
Posted by ElGato
Yes exactly.. the people of america can't do anything about their situation, but it's fine for them, cause they live good lives.
Why ruin something like that?
It's a very difficult situation.
Now this with Iraq. The "reason" for the coming attacks agains Iraq is cause of the diktatorship, and to free the people from this diktator.
Now I have seen a lot of interviews with people who live in Iraq and they all like Saddam Hussein, and say that they will pray to God when the americans attack and so on.
The people want Hussein, if they wouldn't, let them run him down themselves, they don't need american help.
Second, Hussein is being accused of hiding weapons.
So what, every country hides weapons give him a break, I haven't heard the slightest threat from him ever to attack america.
Besides, why does he have weapons!?
Well America GAVE HIM the weapons when Sovjet was a threat, and Hussein fought for America.
why is this never mentioned? That his weapons are really American weapons given to him?!
Now I propose that the world unite and start planning the downfall of the American government instead, there are a lot more people in America that don't want Bush then people in Iraq that don't want Hussein.
Who is the biggest diktator?
Posted by nyk_2702
U see wat im saying?
This topic of discussion is growing everyday, and more and more people are talking and sharing their opinions..
This is Y Esato is soo gr8
U can talk about anything, as well as mobile phones...
Posted by ElGato
Yeah..
Posted by nyk_2702
Here is something that mite Shock u ppl...
Ive just read i a newspaper article that Yasser Arafat is part Jewish!!!
Interesting.. eh?
Posted by ElGato
circumcised? =)
Posted by punkserb
i agree. you cannot beleive everything in the media. i remember when they were showing footage of the bosnian war. they televised a serbian orthodox christian funeral and the newsmen were saying it was a muslim funeral for a young boy killed by serbian soldiers. when the orthodoc cross was clearly seen on the both the coffin and the staff of a priest. CNN is controlled and censored. people critisize the USSR saying how the TV and radio and all media there is censored, well the rest of the world is no different!!! all are pushing their opinions. and who is to say who is right or wrong. well apparently the morals of the one with the most bombs and most potential for destruction is the one who will dictate our fates. pathetic.
Posted by 9563246621
I am American and proud. I was born in Velsen, Holland and immigrated to the US. America is and will be the greatest nation in the World. Many brave Americans fought and died for the right to bomb Iraq. Many brave Americans will go and make Iraq pay for the deaths on 911. We gave Iraq a chance to come clean. They did not. You some times have to break some eggs to make an omlet. It is sad civilians die in war, but that is why they call it War. If Iraq people rise up today and overthrow their Govt. maybe the US will not drop bombs.