Posted by Bonovox
Just post a few photos & we can see where you might be going wrong. With cameras even if it seems like you have not moved the slightest movement detected the camera will blur. What I do when taking a photo standing up with no stable surface is stand straight with your arms dead straight with the sides of your body whilst holding the camera with both hands.Not with your arms out like wings. Try if possible to use a stable surface for macro & night shots or a tripod. Look at the light around you is the sun or light source in front or behind you? If too dark adjust the exp. setting & same if too over exposed. For landscape shots it's best to use daylight or or auto settings. If cloudy then adjust to cloudy setting obviously. For macro keep testing the focus till you can see it lock on sharp on screen but try different macro distances till you got it right. But macro really does need the phone on a flat hard surface & same for night shots. All phones will take better photos in sunlight more crisp. Indoors use the auto setting or incandescent for night shots the night landscape & night portrait settings are fine but blurred details will happen if you move. Also to reduce picture noise indoors if lowlight is not too bad adjust the exposure setting down 2 notches to -0.7. One last tip is when the photo is in the process of saving try not to move the camera until it's finished saving. All phones have some some shutter lag & if you move too soon blur may occur so just hold steady for a few seconds. Thanks for your comments & enjoy your new toy. You will get to know it as time goes by & just experiment & play about. That's the joy of digital photography. Always judge the light around you & don't judge what you see on the small 2.2 inch screen till you see the pics on a monitor
I am no expert but I do know how to take a decent photo & I love photography. Oh & no the flash can only be set to auto or off though that could be changed if the phone was modded but I have no idea on that.[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-05-05 20:52 ]
Posted by Bonovox
@buntymunna your photos are mostly fine just take a little more time & steady hand as one or two are slightly blurred. The colours look fine except one looks a little yellowish tint(god I sound like Plank) just try using daylight or auto setting. I like the sun in the clouds shot.
3 different colours of my pc keypad
Posted by zide
Bonovox wrote:
Great!
Posted by Bonovox
Thanks. At this point I was sitting by my pc & I looked out the window & noticed the evening sunset so I raced out with my Elm.
Posted by mobile7
Here is my first picture. Need some comments and feedback. Inspired by Bonovox.
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Posted by Bonovox
That's ok mate you got the main bit of the picture in focus where the spider is but try getting it in the middle
Posted by anouk82
Posted by Bonovox
Mobile7 that shot with the evening sun with the water is fantastic just keep working at it. But keep as still as you can
Posted by buntymunna
Bonovox
Hey thanks dude. Really very help full information. Thank u for replying..... So nice of u.
Posted by masada1971
nice pics mobile7...
Posted by Bonovox
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Posted by anouk82
nice pics Bono..
Posted by Bonovox
Thanks. It does macro very well I think. Though it's colours are generally accurate I do find sometimes on some indoor shots colours can seem pale. But most of the time it's fine.
Posted by anouk82
Posted by Bonovox
Wow nice it always seems so sharp from corner to corner this camera. That's a steep road that first photo you would not wanna leave the handbrake off
Posted by anouk82
On 2010-05-06 21:49:43, Bonovox wrote:
Wow nice it always seems so sharp from corner to corner this camera. That's a steep road that first photo you would not wanna leave the handbrake off
thats what happened to my wife yesterday....
Posted by Bonovox
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Posted by HxH
Pleasure to watch pics from this thread, Just another outstanding!!
Posted by cococo
Thanks for the tips, Bonovox. I'm holding it steadier, I think, so it's helping with the blurriness issue a lot!
Anyway, here are some pics I've taken:
My biggest problem is that while none of these are outdoors during the day (with good sunlight), other than the night ones on the bottom, they are taken in rooms with good light mostly during the afternoon (so it's not dark). But most of them would still have those red/blue lines that go across the photo that is kind of annoying, especially when I'm in a brightly lit room. Not sure what I'm doing wrong! For the most part, it's taken on auto (or for the closeups, the macro setting) unless noted.
macro, but there's still a horizontal line through it.
These were taken indoor, afternoon, room light and outside light. This is all right. Colors are not great, but not bad.
The Reds/oranges are much less vibrant, and it's in the same room with the same light as the blue presents. And lines!
This is nice. I think the macro is working out well - but I hope I can take a normal non macro picture too!
Macro setting, nice again, again, only the macro ones are coming up sans lines (well, for the most part, since the first picture had lines and it was a macro).
This photo has the same lighting (same room, same plant, same time) as the two before, but there the lines are there again!
I used both the night landscape setting and the auto setting for these. They're all right. But lines again, even more (but more understandabley so, given well, it's actually dark!
)
Is there a way to keep the flash not just on auto, but force it to be on all the time? I wonder if that could get rid of the 'lines' problem. Unless there's a much more obvious solution to this!
I guess I'm not understanding why there are lines in the pics where it isn't night time but in a room with good normal lighting. Thanks for looking![ This Message was edited by: cococo on 2010-05-07 09:06 ]
Posted by Bonovox
Good shots keep it going
Like the dogs paws. I am afraid that's something we have to live with on this phone for now in low light until next firmware hopefully it shall be fixed. Till then as I said turn down exposure slightly in lowlight but indoors is classed as lowlight.[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-05-08 00:29 ]
Posted by cococo
Just double checking, the exposure is the setting with the little sun +/- .3, .7, 1, and so on, yes? I don't mind the lines as much when it's dark and I expect it, but some of the ones are taken mid afternoon with light, so I don't expect it, and it's hard to tell if there are lines while looking at the phone - I usually see them when I look on the computer.
I tried some outdoor sunny day pics, which this phone is better at. But they still don't look as bright as the ones you take, Bonovox! (And it was a beautiful sunny day. What am doing wrong? The pics are fine, but don't they seem just a tad darker than the pics I see here?)
Supermarket, indoor
Shadows
macro (though not really that close)
Lines! But not as bad as before.
Oh, and the paws? Cat's paws, not dog.
[ This Message was edited by: cococo on 2010-05-08 10:43 ]
Posted by Bonovox
Lol I said cats paws at first then changed it thinking it was a dog. My phone is not showing up the pictures so will need to have look later on pc. Ok?
I still think your shaking the cam slightly & judging the light wrong around you. Try not to focus the camera against the sun or light source & make sure it's behind you. You will get either wrong colours or over exposure. Also keep so still until pic is finished saving. Only adjust the exposure out doors if it seems dark or dull but not too high. The lines should only appear in lowlight indoor shots but they should not if you turn down exposure down to -0.7. I love your oranges shot
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Posted by zide
Those SE guys continue dumb as they usually are... WTF is a 3.2 mpx camera doing in Aspen? It would be a great phone if they used the Elm sensor in it...
Posted by anouk82
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Posted by NoroBiik
Finally tracked down a black&silver Elm at the SE shop @Mall of Asia, you get a discount if you pay in cash.
Macro shot of some alien figurines
Building shots at around 2pm , bright sunlight
W995 shot of 3 generations of SE phones k800i/J10i/T700i
Just like the W995, I had to fiddle around with the cam settings to get a good shot. The default settings often resulted in a washed out pic for me. It just struck me that the lighting differs quite a bit depending on which country you live in - which probably explains why an all default setting works great in some
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Posted by cococo
Thanks, Bonovox and NoroBiik!
Does shaking affect the colors? I'm actually ok with the blurriness in the pics I posted (but I'll keep working at it!), but the colors are much more washed out than the other pics here. I guess perhaps it depends on where on the globe you are, but is there any particular settings I should use to make the colors pop a little more in the sunny outdoor pics when it is washed out? The pics I posted are set with 0.0 exposure (I only used the -.7 when it's dark). And other than the exposure, is there a particular setting elsewhere I should be fiddling with? And I get that the light source matters, but given where I took the some of the pictures (sunny outdoors in a big area, or the sky), there's no 'light source' to consider - the sunniness is kind of all over the place! It's sunny out, but the pics are still pretty dark.
Thanks again. Gorgeous pics.
Posted by Bonovox
Who said where on the globe you are? That's complete crap. At the end of the day what matters in a photo is you the photographer & the light around you if it's sunny it matters nothing where you are. Try using daylight setting in sunny or bright conditions & cloudy setting when it's, well cloudy
Only turn down exposure indoors if you may see them lines or if the outside light is too bright. Try not to focus against the sun 
I am getting shit signal & key problems on the ELm really fed up 
Posted by korbindallis
my first pic
set at 1mp
doc mode
Posted by NoroBiik
On 2010-05-10 13:57:31, cococo wrote:
Thanks, Bonovox and NoroBiik!
Does shaking affect the colors? I'm actually ok with the blurriness in the pics I posted (but I'll keep working at it!), but the colors are much more washed out than the other pics here. I guess perhaps it depends on where on the globe you are, but is there any particular settings I should use to make the colors pop a little more in the sunny outdoor pics when it is washed out? The pics I posted are set with 0.0 exposure (I only used the -.7 when it's dark). And other than the exposure, is there a particular setting elsewhere I should be fiddling with? And I get that the light source matters, but given where I took the some of the pictures (sunny outdoors in a big area, or the sky), there's no 'light source' to consider - the sunniness is kind of all over the place! It's sunny out, but the pics are still pretty dark.
Thanks again. Gorgeous pics.
I think it's the combination of lighting & focus settings that determine color vibrancy, and by lighting that includes that of the environment. At least half of it is by trial&error and there are some situations that mobile cams can't handle as well as digicams so you shouldn't be discouraged.
Try late afternoon or early morning shots so you get a feel of how the Elm handles in gentler light. I'm actually going through the re-learning process myself since it seems to capture less light than my W995.
Posted by anouk82
On 2010-05-10 15:19:24, Bonovox wrote:
Who said where on the globe you are? That's complete crap. At the end of the day what matters in a photo is you the photographer & the light around you if it's sunny it matters nothing where you are. Try using daylight setting in sunny or bright conditions & cloudy setting when it's, well cloudy
Only turn down exposure indoors if you may see them lines or if the outside light is too bright. Try not to focus against the sun I am getting shit signal & key problems on the ELm really fed up
dont get upset...they just need more practise....i am also getting shit signal
perfect camera...
Posted by jake20
perfect for daylight shots.. yes .. and may even be the best SE phone for that.
but what if you need for flash photography? its not so perfect anymore
Posted by anouk82
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On 2010-05-10 19:50:15, jake20 wrote:
perfect for daylight shots.. yes .. and may even be the best SE phone for that.
but what if you need for flash photography? its not so perfect anymore
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thats true
every phone has its ups and downs...
Posted by jake20
yes, i hate how we always have to sacrifice something..
i wish my C905 had a bigger light sensor also.. it would be perfect camera then also.
but this elm does take very nice pics indeed
Posted by Bonovox
@anouk82 I love that dog & the long grass shot. Also i was not upset just could not believe what they were saying that's all. The signal issue is very bad at times I never had a phone with such poor reception hope they fix it in next update.
Posted by anouk82
On 2010-05-10 20:06:58, Bonovox wrote:
@anouk82 I love that dog & the long grass shot. Also i was not upset just could not believe what they were saying that's all. The signal issue is very bad at times I never had a phone with such poor reception hope they fix it in next update.
they will...
Posted by Svithiod
On 2010-05-10 19:08:32, anouk82 wrote:
[...] i am also getting shit signal
[...]
Oh dear, so then we have a quite capable camera and video recorder, but... eh, in the mean time, no phone?
By the way, again, very nice pictures shown here.
Posted by bloodyvie
umm any1 hav hazel photo smple?
is it same quality with elm?
@_@ anyway how u guys can take such a stabil photo?
u guys put it in top of something or use tripod?
or isit the phone image stabilization thats good.. ?
ty
Posted by goldcrow
Here's the first few shots I took with my new Elm.
This one is a local Italian restaurant with a gelato stand inside.
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Posted by anouk82
super crisp images by
Elm
Posted by NoroBiik
Building at dusk
Nightshot using Twilight landscape mode
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Posted by NoroBiik
Change of pace, movies this time. First clip is from the Elm, in a moving car & through a glass window. Street scene
Elm street movie
Compare this with the W995 movie shot
W995 street movie
Note how jerky the motorcycle rider's image appears as he crosses the camera's view. Frame rate of the Elm is clearly superior , as well as the resolution.
YouTube had a hard time digesting the Elm's DSC file so i had to use a converter to transform it into AVI. Below is a link to the best free video converter I know (better than a lot of commercial ones too) :
http://www.filehippo.com/download_super/
Posted by anouk82
Posted by NoroBiik
Some more Elm shots, these were taken around 2pm under a blazing Manila sun. The armadillo & boy statue shots turned out the best because I was able to take advantage of some generous tree shade. Not that lucky with the deer shot hence the glare. EV+0 to -3 with lighting setting set to Daylight.
Metal armadillo
Metal deer
Metal boy against buildings backdrop
Posted by bloodyvie
guysss.. help me ...
my new hazel camera photo is weird..
it will on the flash , eventhough i already off the flash at camera settigns..
and the pic with flash is so darkish.. and so ugly ...
anyone can help me??
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Posted by NoroBiik
On 2010-05-11 02:19:03, bloodyvie wrote:
umm any1 hav hazel photo smple?
is it same quality with elm?
@_@ anyway how u guys can take such a stabil photo?
u guys put it in top of something or use tripod?
or isit the phone image stabilization thats good.. ?
ty
No news about when the Hazel is coming out yet, the hardware inside is supposed to be the same as the Elm but with a bigger screen, 2nd video call camera. Camera shot quality should be equal to the Elm.
interesting Youtube review of the Hazel here (not in english alas) Hazel review by Telefonultau
Re: photoshot stability - you take advantage of anything you can brace yourself against (chairs, tables, trees , people etc
I've read that the lag time between pressing that button and the actual shot taking place is longer for mobile phone cams compared to DSLRs' so it's really tougher to take a stable snapshot using your phone.
In the absence of anything to brace yourself against just take a stable standing or sitting stance then take a deep breath then exhale slowly while *gently* pressing the camera button. Hope this helps.
[ This Message was edited by: NoroBiik on 2010-05-15 16:12 ]
Posted by bloodyvie
On 2010-05-15 16:55:22, NoroBiik wrote:
No news about when the Hazel is coming out yet, the hardware inside is supposed to be the same as the Elm but with a bigger screen, 2nd video call camera. Camera shot quality should be equal to the Elm.
Re: photoshot stability - you take advantage of anything you can brace yourself against (chairs, tables, trees , people etc
I've read that the lag time between pressing that button and the actual shot taking place is longer for mobile phone cams compared to DSLRs' so it's really tougher to take a stable snapshot using your phone.
In the absence of anything to brace yourself against just take a stable standing or sitting stance then take a deep breath then exhale slowly while *gently* pressing the camera button. Hope this helps.
oh okay.. il try it nextt time when im gonna take a photo.. anyway i already bought the hazel phone ...
and im really confused.. why the flash is still on eventhough i already off the flash in the settings...
and my SMS threaded view.. seems cant find the setting for it.. only normal sms view.. anyone know how?
to enable the SMS threaded view... ?
ty
Posted by Bonovox
Please stick to topic this is the photo thread not about general features
Posted by goldcrow
Floorboard of a shop in Manila
Manila sky (shot through a tinted car windshield)
Some rocks I found in my backyard
I tried comparing these to photos produced by a standard point-and-shoot cam and I am impressed with the quality, almost at par.
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Posted by anouk82
Posted by anouk82
