Posted by Bonovox
Today I am absolutely fuming my head off
at the damn police & their stupidity at ever dealing with real criminals. My 2nd eldest brother is a keen photographer but today the police & The Bull Shit sorry Bull Ring shopping centre in Birmingham have banned my brother from ever entering the centre again just because he was taking photos 
Now they look at this as either he was taking photos of people or he is going to set off a bomb with his camera which is highly unlikely. My brother is a decent law abiding citizen who has never ever committed a single crime in his entire life. Now everyday complete tossers go out shop lifting,robbing,killing or hurting people yet instead of going out & catching real criminals they ban my brother from a shopping centre for taking a few photos? Has this country finally reached complete madness when the rights of a pervert see's it ok for him to live in a nice house across the road from my brother & his 4 children, yet my brother & tourists alike cannot take photograhs of the city centre? What is wrong with this country & normal peoples rights & common sense? It is all this human rights stuff which gives the criminals in this country the right to do what the hell they want, get away with it, live a nice life when normal people who take photographs are banned from visiting a shopping centre?? I called the police station in question & the manager of The Bull Shit sorry Bull Ring shopping centre & had the biggest rant of my life on the phone. I said if they do not lift this ban I shall be taking this further & shaming the Bull Ring management live on air on local radio. I can contact the local Radio WM whom have a presenter Ed Doolan an Australian guy who deals with issues in all sorts of problems. This they will not hear the end of & I for one will never ever set foot inside that Bull Ring myself either. What do tourists do everyday across the world. Take photos. Are they going to start arresting tourists now? I am sorry but in my eye's this is absolutely disgusting I am good at complaining & dealing with issues & problems coming from a hotel background myself & I do not stop until I get my way. Rant over.[ This Message was edited by: Bonovox on 2010-02-15 16:27 ]
Posted by mriley
Good rant
did they delete all the photos? This happens to lots of people now because of terrorists trying to kill us all 
Posted by Bonovox
No but they issued him with a ban notice on paper & said if he does it again he can be arrested or have his camera taken off him. Now I do understand what they are saying in a sense but banning him from entering & my brother is no terrorist or pervert it just makes me angry. There are hundreds of criminals & perverts out there police & authorities know about but they do sod all about it yet my brother gets this for taking a photo? Matt where do you get these new animated smilies?
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Posted by julias
Take this matter further if i were you go to the court of human rights if need be don't stop until you win and its more than likely that you will and can win the so called anti-terror laws are in the U.K have gone beyond ridiculous that its become impossible for the ordinary law abiding public to live normal lives its time someone took a stand against all this
Did a bit of digging and found out that there is a runining campaign against this sort of thing take a look i'm sure you will find lots if useful information on there and people you can contact and get further advice from: photographernotaterrorist.org/
Posted by Bonovox
I personally think the UK is becoming a worse place to live than it was years ago. And who is to blame? Governments of course everything is their fault. This country is in a mess I cannot wait to when I can someday move back to Ireland. Had enough of this place. Thanks for the info. I remember it happened to some photographers in Greece years ago. Terrorists and criminals are living around us everyday yet they get off through the courts of so called humans rights. And what this goverment do gives them thousands in benefits and lets them walk all over us. Then you get stupid police officers arresting people taking photos or a guy who used a tissue on his nose whilst driving. Its pathetic where are the real criminals? Out living a great life. Oh and by the way it was not me it was my brother I aint hiding anything
I was actually somewhere else today out looking for a new bed.
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Posted by streetgang
If the police were using section 44 of the anti terrorist act then any confiscation cannot go ahead without a warrant, also the police or the security CANNOT under any circumstances delete or request the deletion of any images as this is against the law
http://www.liberty-human-righ[....]/s44-terrorism-act/index.shtml
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Posted by arien617
@streetgang
From Section 45 of the Terrorism Act 2000:
(2) A constable may seize and retain an article which he discovers in the course of a search by virtue of section 44(1) or (2) and which he reasonably suspects is intended to be used in connection with terrorism.
???
Posted by Bonovox
Terrorism laws are a mess and this country has that many laws nobody knows what is what.
Posted by mriley
On 2010-02-15 17:39:36, Bonovox wrote:
Matt where do you get these new animated smilies?
I paste them in by the url between [img] [/img]
Also, why has the goverment got that terrorist threat warning scale? i haven't seen it but i heard its on "severe" and this will just scare people and achieve what terrorists want
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/[....]urrent-threat-level/index.html
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Posted by streetgang
My bad!! got mixed up with image deletion. Permission has to be sought from chief con or court, used to be anyways
Its all down to "kneejerk legislation" post 9/11. Same in the states too, if you keep the people scared for long enough you can get anything thru. there was a time in this country when the police were very concious of public opinion but now it doesnt seem to matter how they appear,
I was "questioned" a few months back. i had my camera on a tripod with a long lens on overlooking the liverpool waterfront, 2 pcso`s (police canteen support officers) asked me "what i was doing"!!!!!! i replied that i WAS NOT fishing! they hung around and watched me for a while but no paperwork was filed. Bit further on down the prom from me some chav knobheads were oboviously training their pitbulls by letting them hang of some rope on the branches of a tree.............they were not questioned???
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Posted by Bonovox
I would understand if my brother was hanging around a playground taking pics of kids or if he was hanging around the shopping centre directly taking pics of people or looking suspicious. But he is not. I am going down to the shopping centre tomorrow demanding to speak to the manager. I am not letting this drop. Rather than going after real criminals and actually getting it right they pick on innocent people. Did anyone hear of the story a couple of years ago in the news. A woman was told off in her local park for taking photos of her OWN child. Can you imagine that?
Posted by jcwhite_uk
That is a rediculous story. How anyone can justify this beyond me. I could understand asking your brother to stop taking pictures but to ban him is daft. I would take it as far as you can but dont forget to not go against your brothers wishes.
I am a keen photographer and have only been approached by someone against it once which was by a mother who told me (not asked) to put my camera away as she didnt want her children being photographed. I wasnt even taking photos, I just had the camera in my hand.
Posted by Bonovox
Yes indeed I will be taking it further and my brother is coming with me tomorrow. The whole thing is a joke.
Posted by jcwhite_uk
I think legally the Bullring have the right to ban whoever they like from their premises as it is private land. Embarrase them into submittion by going to the press, they will probably love a story like this.
Another fun thing todo would be to get a huge get together of photographers to go in and take pictures everywhere.
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Posted by thomas93
Tits, im off to london tomorrow.
Anybody Local care to front my bail?
Posted by Bonovox
Yes they can ban who they like but why not tell him to just stop taking photos not ban him. Its stupid. Last Friday thousands of people were there taking photos cos Gok Wan from the tv show How To Look Good Naked was in the shopping centre. Did they stop them taking photos? No.
Posted by streetgang
I think your brother has fell foul of the owners rules and regs and policies that are probably witten in such a way that the common sense does not factor into it not can it be allowed to either, some "suite" has implemented it, had a meeting over it, put it out for discussion, had another meeting over it etc etc. If they have not backed down now then they probably never will and will just claim "policy" and hide behind politically correct rhetoric when questioned.
Hope you get your point accross tho mate
Posted by Bonovox
Oh I will
Posted by carkitter
Go get them!
My Grandfather was born in London and my Grandmother in Dublin. They married and came to NZ after WWII and never went back to the UK. They traveled to Vanuatu many times, Australia 2/3times, the US once but never back to the UK.
That always spoke volumes to me growing up. Many Kiwis travel to the UK for their Overseas Experience but I never bothered.
I hear that this sort of thing is common in the UK. Political Correctness is a way of life over there, thats why all your cops are now living here.
There's discussion here in NZ about changing our flag. The British Empire is so irrelevant down here now, it's probably a good time to make changes. It seems the UK is irrelevant to everyone else now too, thanks to Political Correctness.
Posted by mriley
@carkitter
you stole my smiley!
I agree, the people in goverment are
and we should stand up and fight the power!
Posted by fatreg
On 2010-02-16 02:56:59, carkitter wrote:
There's discussion here in NZ about changing our flag. The British Empire is so irrelevant down here now, it's probably a good time to make changes. It seems the UK is irrelevant to everyone else now too, thanks to Political Correctness.
Never forget and never be ashamed of where you came from...
As for photo taking, you can take photos outdoors of anything and anyone you want, inside, is a different kettle of fish, it's private property but if there's no signs saying no photography allowed how are you supposed to know? I'd challenge this and ask the centre managers if you can have auth to take some photos....
Posted by Bonovox
Political correctness ah don't get me started. Although things like this happen elsewhere but not quite so often. When I was in Cyprus on holiday I was told by a Greek man to stop filming around the swimming pool
Also look what happened to them British plane spotters in Greece some years ago arrested thinking they were terrorsists. I sometimes really hate the way the UK has become because of goverments. But I don't think you can say the UK is irrelevent in the world. Its a place so many people do wanna live and so many people seem to love. Seeing the amount of tourists in this country who love its heritage history and way of life. But what is getting on my back is yes political correctness and also this stupid notion that we cannot do certain things because we are going to offend other people. I am sorry but that is bull shit. So if someone flies the British flag and it offends someone then I am sorry then leave the country. If you don't like what people do here then leave simple as that. I don't go to any other country and not tell them to celebrate their culture. Its pathetic. All this has come about since we had this Labour goverment and the so called European Law of Human Rights which only look after criminals. Sorry but its true. And no by the way in that shopping centre in Birmingham there are no signs regarding photography.
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Posted by fbloise
Bono:
Go back to Ireland... believe, I have family in London and is getting worse to live due to the goverment mass histeria... same thing in U.S., so called war on terror(ism)...
Posted by Bonovox
Beleive me someday I will but I am at the moment waiting for the right time because things are very tough in Ireland right now worse than here regarding the economy. But also i have a loved one here & someday when we are together properly when she is finally ready
she wants to move too somewhere better. Don't get me wrong there are wonderful lovely places to live still in the UK & lots of lovely people & countryside with still old traditions it's just living in the damn city thats getting to me more then anything. My family come from seaside villages in Ireland & it's beautiful. Ireland is not without it's problems but I definately want to go back to live some day soon within next 2 years & to me it's much nicer there than here. Less crowded too. By the way today i spoke to The Bull Ring shopping centre again & the police & they said the only way they can resolve this is by my brother to send a letter of APOLOGY What fecking planet are these people on? Apologise for what exactly? My brother has done nothing wrong so now non of our family will ever set foot in that shit hole of a shopping centre again & we will be reporting this on local radio sometime. Some of the local radio presenters I have met myself before through where I work. One guy does his late show & stays at the hotel. The world has gone mad please let me get off 
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Posted by mysterio
what shopping centre ?
because i will never go there either
Posted by mriley
The Bull Ring shopping center in Birmingham
Posted by Bonovox
Yes renamed Bull Shit shopping centre
Posted by mallaccra
i think the police need to attend a "common sense" course continuously
Posted by mriley
On 2010-02-16 22:07:00, Bonovox wrote:
Yes renamed Bull Shit shopping centre
Nice touch 
Posted by Bonovox
Lol
Posted by Raiderski
for decades on a fences of military areas in Poland were boards with text: "military area - no photography allowed!". recently, they were removed (the ministerial decree). explanation: photography is so much developed technologically, that everyone who will want to take a photo will do it no matter of what. forbiden photography of civilian areas is preposterous and justifying it with safety reasons is like spitting in our face
Posted by Bonovox
Yes indeed it's all crazy
Posted by Miss UK
Pathetic,
Bono do what you said and go to the media with it
Posted by Bonovox
Well yes i shall we are awaiting their response so far nothing.
Posted by cobra111
Have a look at this from one of my local rags
http://www.journallive.co.uk/[....]e-of-his-child-61634-25924885/
Posted by Bonovox
Oh dear this makes me so angry when will common sense prevail?
I am so sick & tired of people like this who make up these stupid rules. Some woman too I read was ticked off for taking a photo of her own child in a park. I am sorry but where does this end? Are we never allowed anymore to take holiday photos or memoreis of our own children or families. This really gets my back up this does
Posted by boy.in.PINK
I remembered one time when i was walkin at EDSA [a historic avenue where two (hopefully, three..
) of the past presidents were ousted], a bus crushed a police motorcycle's left side mirror.. 
Posted by hihihans
All these rules and regulations ask for one thing anarchy!