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Posted by arnold123
i have a k800 right now and i want to upgrade i cant choose between c905 and c901 mainly because of the camera quality send some pictures and let me decide i would appreciate professional help if any other phones with atleast 5 mp ,xenon flash, video recording , no nokia, then let me know i also accept touch screen and smartphones price range up to £150 maybe £10 more if its worth


Posted by Raiderski
in THIS comparision you can find pictures from C901 and C905

Posted by mriley

price range up to £150 maybe £10 more if its worth


i doubt you will find a new C905 for £160, the phone is increasing in price now apparently

Posted by NightBlade
How can it be increasing in price more than a year after it's been released?

Posted by mriley
because its getting more popular.

Posted by Bonovox
The cheapest i have seen the c905 is around that price but that was second hand shop near me

Posted by plankgatan
c905 photo-quality with proper firmware, wipe C901 back to stoneage. (without a doubt)

C905 colour rendition is way better.....(C901 produce often to milky colours, but also often very sharp pictures, so thats good).....but in the end C905 is a better cellphone

Posted by arnold123
plankgatan r u just a peron who likes c905 and hates c901 or do u really know what u r talking about

oh and by c901 i also meant greenheart version they have difrernt scores i suppose they r different phones

cex.com c905 for about £100 oh and i messed up different in previous post

yeah used but for 100 quid its good price for a phone in mint condition oh yes i have seen it at the shop(cex) dont forget not only the camera that matters also the features and the quality any other phones as an advice?

i would also appreciate a list of good and bad points and advices which to pick if owned both phones

does the extra 3 mp make a big difference or not? does c901 have x16 zoom?

i have lots of questions i need lots of answers is the xenon different on both phones?

Posted by plankgatan
are you trying to say that C901 have stable and beautiful colour rendition ????
30-50% of all c901 pictures I see have some kind of milky colours, (and yes many pictures looks great to, BUT its way to unequal).

(i really give a damn which cellphone model it is).............I just look inside the C901 picture thread and then I look inside the C905 picture thread, then i make my opinion.

Posted by mriley
Every knows plank hates the c901 because people c6paqe it to the c902 which he loves. Listen to advice that isnt biased, look at comparison raider showed you.
I own c901, I wont talk BS the camera on the c905 is better with the original driver but they are similiar but c905 with dm 3.8 would be a very good camera if you r willing to pay extra for c905 it has beter
Cam

Posted by arnold123
thanx mriley

Posted by Raiderski
don't pay attention on Plank, otherwise you have to believe that all pictures taken with C905 are great which is not true of course don't believe that all pictures from C901 are great, sometimes shit happens but it's not like Plank said
[ This Message was edited by: Raiderski on 2010-01-13 11:31 ]


Posted by mriley
plank is stubborn about his observations of quality,.
i have seen the "milky colors" comment more than ten times, he knows there is manual saturation but i wouldn't bother showing very saturated photos to him because he would ignore them.
Also, you cant tell camera quality from "post picture" threads for certain, you can get an idea. They are all taken by different people with different skills in taking photos in different lighting conditions and locations. When you look through those threads you see some people can take brilliant pics whilst others are boring with dull or "milky " colors depending on the position/source and type of light on the subject you are photographing.

I haven't used the C905 but have read about it.
review: http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/sony-ericsson-c905.htm

If you are just wanting a camera - buy the C905 and mod it with DM 3.8, if you did that it would be one of the best cameras
But the C905 is bulky and expensive, keys are meant to be bad and its meant to crash a lot. Thats what people say anyway

the C901 is a lot smaller and i use it as phone and camera, its good at both but camera not as good as C905.
For me, the c901 just needs shutter speeds then its perfect

They both have xenon and 16x digital zoom

If i had the money i would get an old battered C905 for a cheap price and mod the camera, then run around taking pics with it, and compare with my C901

for camera only - i would go c905
for camera and phone - i would do c901

I didn't choose C905 because it was too expensive still, so c901 is half the price so i chose that. but if all you want is cam then go for it

Read reviews and make up your own mind, try them both if you can


Posted by arnold123
mriley thanx for support but if you would have the money would u still buy c901 and what about other phones on the market? could u give me a list of the phones that r similar to these 2 things that matter: 1st camera 2nd isplay(size/ quality)3rd: NO NOKIA 4th:basic things that my current phone k800 has

u mentioned dm3.8 do i get to pick at the shop which to have or is that the only one

before i joined this website i did look at many discussions and plank always seemed fine until some1 brought up that ....(phone) is better than c902 is it actually a good phone compared to the other except the led flash ive read many review and seen many specification i would be proud of that phone (if i would have 1) but people always take the mick an honest answer please

Posted by mriley

On 2010-01-13 15:11:55, arnold123 wrote:
mriley thanx for support but if you would have the money would u still buy c901 and what about other phones on the market? could u give me a list of the phones that r similar to these 2 things that matter: 1st camera 2nd isplay(size/ quality)3rd: NO NOKIA 4th:basic things that my current phone k800 has


research it it all depends on how much you are willing to spend, what do you want a good camera or a good phone? The k800i has a very good camera. DM 3.8 isnt asked for in the shop you put it on yourself by 'hacking' inside the phones fs.

btw, edit posts instead of posting about 10
[ This Message was edited by: mriley on 2010-01-13 14:35 ]


Posted by arnold123
any instructions?somewhere on the net how to hack? is it risky

Posted by mriley
i made a tutorial on it some times of hacking are risky, others arent

Posted by arnold123
aaaaaaarrrrrrggghhh ps3 dont let me send pictures any of u have a ps?

i want a nice all rounder but camera must be 5 mp or more and atleast 2.4 screen something i would be proud of and i wouldnt have to hide it when my friends i am gonna have a nokia e65 for like 3 months NOOOOOOOOoO my parents will give it to me cause 1 has iphone and the other samsung something they get to upgrade and i dont life is unfair

Posted by mriley
Motorola ZN5 has good camera but looks like a purple brick

Posted by arnold123
anthing with a bigger screen 200 final offer phone for 200 quid (illl wait for next xmas if its worth it)

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Ye, MOTOROLA ZN5 would be a great choice,and its HIGHLY moddable since it runs Motos Mobile Linux OS.

Posted by mriley
@gucci
are there camera drivers avaliable for ZN5?

Posted by Bonovox
I just seen 2 c905 phones in Cash Converters in Birmingham one for £109 the other for £149 both in good condition and open to all networks. I also seen a battered c902 in the window for £69 not worth buying looking like it did

Posted by arnold123
r htc any good?
can they compete with c905

Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2010-01-13 16:45:03, mriley wrote:
@gucci
are there camera drivers avaliable for ZN5?


Not sure,but it looks like you can mod firmwares etc. . .checkout ModMyMoto ZN5 section: http://modmymoto.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=211

Posted by Bonovox
HTC are good but depends if you would put up with Windows Mobile.


Posted by arnold123
opinions about w995
its similar to c905 right except its walkmen both 8mp both x16 zoom

Posted by mriley
ask yourself what you want from the phone then read the official threads lol otherwise you will ask about every single sony ericsson

Reviews-
http://www.esato.com/board/viewforum.php?forum=33
[ This Message was edited by: mriley on 2010-01-13 17:50 ]


Posted by mriley
I just found this comparison between C901 and C905 (three pictures+video)
http://translate.googleuserco[....]rhigMOg_0W1oQpPP3LGpsxsCNRfo5w

Posted by plankgatan
c905 camera have better colour reproduction in the whole point of view, (lowlight, landscape, night, portrait, macro, and so on)

c901 still struggling with quite unnatural colours (not all time, but sometimes).


my vote goes to C905

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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2010-04-02 13:01 ]


Posted by mriley

On 2010-04-02 13:35:04, plankgatan wrote:
c905 camera have WAY better colour reproduction in the whole point of view,


Really?? I know this is an opinion of what color looks better but C901 picture is on the left and C905 picture is on the right, look at the sky, IMO it's a much nicer shade of blue


(compare c901 pic-thread against c905 pic-thread........big difference in numbers of quality-shots).


I don't agree with that... as you have said before who is behind camera is much more important, all pics taken are by different people in different lighting, I have noticed this when I look at pictures from any camera/camera-phone that some look terrible and others look fantastic quality.


c901 still struggling with quite unnatural colours (not all time, but sometimes).


I agree C901 Default color is quite unsaturated, but as you know this can be changed with the touch of a button.


my vote goes to C905


It's hard to say whos camera is better, I would pic C901 (im not saying that because I own it) ,but there are only three pictures and one video, to demonstrate that one camera was better than the other it would need a lot more pictures, taken in different lighting conditions showing the strengths and weaknesses of both cameras.

Posted by Raiderski
Still old good Plank, no matter of what C901 as always sucks! Good, good...

Posted by code28h4p
On 2010-04-02 13:49:42, plankgatan wrote:
c905 camera have better colour reproduction in the whole point of view, (lowlight, landscape, night, portrait, macro, and so on)



Did you have C905 plank? I Might guess you're not.
C905 has very vary bad color IMO. Most red + unimpressive noise handling. I know that because I HAVE C905 too.
This is bad! ---> C905


This one from C901

[ This Message was edited by: code28h4p on 2010-04-04 05:30 ]


Posted by mriley
@code

Could you do a photo comparison thread between c901 and c905 ?

Posted by jake20
@code
come on now.. i can post a random bad picture from any phone, even the c901.
take a look at any of the C905 threads, the pictures and color are amazing.

i have no idea what you are talking about, or if you are just trying to bash the c905 for no reason.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-04-03 16:28 ]


Posted by code28h4p

On 2010-04-03 17:27:26, jake20 wrote:
@code
come on now.. i can post a random bad picture from any phone, even the c901.
take a look at any of the C905 threads, the pictures and color are amazing.

i have no idea what you are talking about, or if you are just trying to bash the c905 for no reason.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2010-04-03 16:28 ]



If you wanna post some random bad pictures of C901, go on. But just believe me it wasn't random one. I take those picture in order to make a comparison with C901 (C905 was set to 3MP before to equal C901 resolution). I've told here before and I said it again once more time, I have both phone. So I'm sure that I have an idea what I talking about. Got it?
FYI, I've seen C905 threads and i think it was same, i feel unexcited.
for first step I do show you C905.


And this is for C901 (this picture looks so blurry because i cant stand it still)




Posted by mode
I don't have any of them so from a neutral point of view I would say the C905 photo thread has evoked my emotions more than C901 but that could be due to a multitude of factors which would not make it conclusive. That being said, I prefer C905 camera quality but if I had to choose a cam phone to replace my W995 I'd go for C901 as I would like some peace of mind since absolutely 100% of those I know who has the C905 have complained about the same reliability issues

Posted by thesun
calm down guys..
actually C905 cannot be compared to C901.. since it is in different league, 8Megapixels.. it is 3Megapixels difference there..
did anyone ever compared VGA resolution picture from C901 to VGA K320i for example?
yes i know some would say C901 colors is better, some would say C905 color is more better, but hey.. maybe both of them are the best in their own league..

the best Hyundai cannot be compared to the best Lamborghini..

after all, both are Sony Ericsson
[ This Message was edited by: thesun on 2010-04-04 09:06 ]


Posted by v7
It depends.

C905: 8.1mpix + flash, GPS, WLAN, bigger screen
C901: 5mpix + flash, no GPS, no WLAN, smaller screen

C901 is cheaper, but if you need GPS or WLAN, which are somethimes useful, buy C905.
I had it and I can say it's the best SE phone I have ever had.
It is more exprensive than C901, but if money isn't a problem, go for C905
[ This Message was edited by: v7 on 2010-04-04 14:35 ]


Posted by kamal825
The K850i is a good phone

Posted by mriley
@code

Why don't you post a comparison, C901 vs C905 and make it unbiased? There is no point having a discussion about photo quality of one camera over the other if there are no pictures, to post one picture and say its bad quality does not prove anything... that's why i bumped topic because I have picture comparison instead of typical discussion, will you do a comparison between them?

Posted by TTT

On 2010-04-04 11:48:22, v7 wrote:
It depends.

C905: 8.1mpix + flash, GPS, WLAN, bigger screen
C901: 5mpix + LED flash, no GPS, no WLAN, smaller screen

C901 is cheaper, but if you need GPS or WLAN, which are somethimes useful, buy C905.
I had it and I can say it's the best SE phone I have ever had.
It is more exprensive than C901, but if money isn't a problem, go for C905


C901 has got an Xenon flash just like the C905 and Google Maps can be used as a GPS.
There are only 4 major differences.

8.1 mp - 5 mp
Wlan - not that
2,4" screen - 2,2" screen
Slider - Candybar

Posted by v7
On Google Maps can be used as a GPS.


There is a big diference between GPS and google maps. I had C905 with Google maps on it and I know what am I talking about.
GPS application is much better than Google maps.

Don't think I'm sayin' C901 is bad phone, it's excellent, but I think that C905 is better



Posted by TTT
Yes it's slightly better but not worth the extra cash, otherwise I'd have one.

Posted by mode
I'm a Google Maps person and it is more comprehensive than SE's built-in GPS app where I'm from so I guess to each, his own. I can definitely live without GPS and Wifi thanks to my unlimited data plan but onboard Wifi is still a good bonus

Posted by mriley
We need a C901 vs C905 vs ZN5 Comparison

Posted by thesun
no.. instead of C901 vs C905, why not we look at common ground, which is the beautiful shot they produce??
we should be brothers, not fighters..

furthermore the camdriver can be modified.. we have Raiderki on our side, while the C905 has DM..

Posted by plankgatan
if i bought a new, expensive cam-phone, i wouldn't choose a camera who "just" produce great daylight pics.....i would choose a model who behaves great in all weather.
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the thing is that c905 have way better all-round camera............just look at c905 auto lowlight & night shoots.......wow, they are freaking good.....insane blackness, great colours, etc.


this is what im talking about, power of c905.......... (c901 haven't got a chance here, modded driver or not)
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Posted by thesun

this is what im talking about, power of c905.......... (c901 haven't got a chance here, modded driver or not)

bring me to that place, i'll show you what c901 got.
lol..

C901 owners are more likely 'poorer' than c905 owners, so they dont go to nice places often..

i wanted to show lowlight pics, but there is nothing interesting here at my place..

Posted by mriley

if i bought a new, expensive cam-phone, i wouldn't choose a camera who "just" produce great daylight pics.....i would choose a model who behaves great in all weather.


I don't know if you are joking about this sometimes, open you eyes..... a phone like that doesn't exist, phone manufacturers don't care about the quality of a camera if they make everyone believe its amazing, its all about marketing, purposefully lied about the MP count on the C905 to make everyone think "Wow! That's the highest mega-pixel count on a camera-phone ever, it must be amazing" I don't doubt you know about factors to image quality like chromatic aberration, but decide to believe manufacturers trying to sell phone through intensive marketing, there has been no marketing for the C901, or any lies about MP count, so people assume its a bad camera-phone.

I make the point again, as jake20 said, there is no point in posting random pictures, this doesn't show quality, why doesn't it? Because photo quality is relative, like almost anything is, we compare by relating one thing to another. A discussion won't get us anywhere with the question "C901 vs C905" (photo quality) if there are no users with either phone, or more importantly users owning both phones and know the strengths and weaknesses of both phones, the only person who owns both is code, and until full res pics between C901 and C905 are posted, me/you/anyone else can't pass judgment if we don't own both phones and see the results in the same lighting conditions IMO, we cant pass judgment because our assumptions of the camera's photo quality come from; marketing (adverts and general hype) and other people's opinions of the phone, which come from seeing pictures on the internet or also through manufacture marketing the product,
At the end of the day, for and any other business its all about making profit, whats the point in making a camera-phone which produces incredible pictures crushing photo quality of even the top 12MP camera-phones if it only has 2MP? It would be disregarded and people would want more mega-pixels... IMO most people assume the more mega-pixels the better the quality, I remember believing this too, its shocking how they market camera's by their MP count.... The first question that's ever asked about a new camera, camera-phone isn't "oh, how big is that sensor you got inside there?" instead its always "how many mega-pixels?" because its drilled into our heads:"more mega-pixels = better quality"
I am not defending C901, for all I know C905 camera quality is better and from photos I have seen this is mainly true, but if somebody doesn't own either, how can he/she support/claim that one has better picture quality than the other?
I also want to make the point that if you cant admit there is a obvious weakness in a camera/camera-phone you have spent money on and dreamed of having, there cannot be an open and honest discussion about comparing yours to any other because from the start there is bias, and that aint' good!

For a thread like this to come to a conclusion it needs photo comparisons taken in the same conditions! Amen to that

Ive gone a bit over-the-top with this as always, but to conclude I will say that this has all been said before and will go ignored, so is the nature of opinions of photo quality, as its so easy to judge a camera by one amazing photo to be memorized by it's potential that its weaknesses are ignored. Saying any of this wont change your/anyone's opinion, thus the importance of the point above!

P.S
Plank I always enjoy debating (arguing) with you about picture quality..... but as a wise man once said;
"If you are happy with the result of your endeavors, then you need not ask for more" (I just made that up right now I think that's pretty good )
[ This Message was edited by: mriley on 2010-04-05 01:34 ]



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