Posted by dards
We say SE is better than Nokia... alright agreed... but my question is how and why? lets see what you all have to say about the following
What features are there in SE that are not available in Nokia?
What SE features are better than that of Nokia?
Annoying things about Nokia and how they are not annoying in SE?
What features do you expect SE to incorporate in their future handsets?
Posted by cyanx7
dards, my boy!!!
u're not trying to clean yourself of that mess u made with that nokia virus, are u???
u bad, bad, BAD boy!
Posted by malcs
all the features in one phone not spread over 1,000,000,000,000
bluetooth in more than 2 phones
infrared in most phones
e-mail.
the list goes on....
Posted by iyiinsan
They think that people are stupid and they have to buy every phone they have released... I bought 3-4 Nokia phones, which didn't have i versions except 8110i, which I had... I don't want to buy an expensive phone and get depressed with the "i" version... 3310-3330 is another example for these types of upgrades... Nokia is very common in Turkey, and it has become a trademark. When you say Ericsson, they think of the old GH688's and when I tell them the specs of P800, they ask me when NOKIA is going to release it. And when I tell them taha it is a
, they say that it sucks. 7650 is the best phone for them. That is why I don't like Nokia phones. Whewwww... I feel better now... 
Posted by cthulu
From where I come from, NOKIA has also become the household name when it comes to mobile phones.
About two years ago, I bought my r380s. As I was using it, it drew a lot of attention, especially from the NOKIA users. One of them had the nerve to approach me and ask, "Wow! Mister, is that the new NOKIA R3380? Where can I buy one?"
Posted by haki
There is one VERY important reason why not only SE, but all the other namebrands as well, are better than Nokia; THEY DON'T BREAK DOWN at the very high rates that Nokia phones do. And when or if this happens, it does not take a month to have them repaired.
Posted by Jowi
rules!
Posted by fijbert
I think dards is trying to clean up
well let's take the effort in consideration...
I disagree with most of u..
what I dont like about nokia is just the fact that there is more memory on SE phones
I dont use/care about Sync...
my phones hv always been resistant, wether Nokia or SE...
I dont like Nokia becuz they take forever to release a phone... they pissed me off with the 7210.. every week they wld tell me next week it will be available.. for about 5months..
I like the design of a nokia phone. I am one of those guys that loves flashy stuff.
Nokia's features meet my demands. BT is the only thing I find is missing.. altho I dont hv a BT headset I like pairing/bluejacking
y SE is better? simple really.. it gvs u more freedom in the way u use ur phone (P800)..
also they hv yet to disappoint me.. so for now, I am a SE guy...
but if someone asks me what phone they shld buy.. I never recommend SE to n e of my friends.. the only good ones r T68i, T300, P800 which r way to expensive in montreal for my friends
so I recommend nokia for them
I also like the fact that u hv a choice between faceplates on nokia. I dont like my phone being like everyone else's.. (no one here has a P800, and I bought a Bond Edition T68i, which no one has here either)
in other words, I like SE better cuz they hvnt let me down yet. but I hv nothing against Nokia.. I wldnt go around and tell ppl "ur phone is shit cuz it's nokia"
I'd say that towards motofreaks and samskunks (samsung), or n e other queer brand
want to add this:
I think that all ur rages r directed motly at nokia USERS for being ignorant of what a phone really is...
I totally agree with yall..
most ppl dont even know how to change their ringtone.. (u know it's a girl's phone ringing when u hear the nokia tune
)
but the actual phones/company.. I hv nothing against
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Posted by dards
Yes .... I confess.... I am trying to clean my self from Nokia Virus Prank!!!
I used 6210 for a while but following are some of the reasons why switched back to Ericsson.
1) If you dont have a number in your phonebook, then the number appears only for few seconds on you nokia phone incase of call waiting and it changes to call2. So if you dont look at the phone screen with in a few seconds for a waiting call you do not know who is calling.
2) The "Other party call waiting" beep is so low that I used to miss it completly.
3) TechTV conducted a survay, that quite a lot of people send SMS messages to wrong numbers and end up embarassing themselves. In Nokia once you press yes to send the message there is no way to cancel it. Where as in ericsson phones you can cancel your messages while it is delivering the message.
4) In Nokia the top buttons have different functions at different times depending on where you are in the menus. So you need to always look at the screen to operate it. Where as Ericsson phones have set functions (Except for the menu key) so you can actually operate it with out looking at the phone.
5) You need to press more buttons to do anything in the nokia phone compared to Ericsson phones. For example to delete any entry in phonebook, sms list, calls list just press and hold "c".
6) Ericsson phones now have better shortcuts to different features i.e. press and hold "c" for the menu, press and hold right or left arrow for direct access to different features.
the list goes on. .....
Posted by hah85
i dont think the difference is so big, in their top-end phones, but the quality of the HW and SW of some of the cheap nokia's are completley shit. like the 3300 series. just a waste of money.. i havent really used a cheap SE, so i cant compare, but if you pay the big bucks, you get a good phone wherever, so taste plays a big part in i.e. t68i vs 5610 or whatthehellthatphoneiscalled.
Posted by shithappens
simply ROCKS!!! and thats it..........
Posted by JwY
enuff said.
Posted by GaryC
I am missing one feature from the Nokia ever since I switched to the T68i. I am able to set if I can enable/disable sending mu Caller ID when I make a call. In the T68i, I have to do it everytime I make a call. Sigh......
Posted by pachy
@Garyc, i had a t68 bought on o2 & the "hide my number" option was in the menus in the "calls" section so it could be set as a default once only, for all future calls.
Then when i put an Orange network sim in the phone that menu was missing & i had to do what you said (set it up for each call individualy) so it may be a network dependant setting rather than a phone problem (each network can choose to include it or not).
Posted by lonx_211
wats so nyc about the SE t68i is u can browse thru the menu wid less use of the joystick.. just follow the number assigned to each task and whoala ur done.. another difference is the animated message which is equipped in our fone, animated of our emotions.. m just glad that my girl has t68i so we can send our true emotions.its boring to hav nokia,since here in the philippines almost all the people are using this stupid finland phone already.
Posted by GaryC
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I tried the menu/calls, the options are greyed. Maybe my firmware is not updated? I can use this feature in the Nokia 8310. So it is not network dependant.
Posted by jplacson
The only thing I don't like about Nokia is that they're way over priced... and they know it... they actually get to sucker people into buying their cheap phones for more than double of what they're worth. That's it actually.
They make decent phones... but not for the price they sell it at. Gimme a break, the 8910 costs almost as much as the P800 with less than 1/4 of the features!!! A mobile phone is NOT jewelry... even under the Vertu brand. It's a piece of technology that will become obsolete in 4 months...Nokia's "technology" is obsolete from the very start! I mean... even Intel doesn't sell obsolete technology at a high price... Nokia does.
If they slashed their prices in half... I'd feel like they were ripping people off a lot less. But hey, that's business right? There's one born every minute...why not take advantage right? At least that's what Nokia does. THAT is what I don't like about Nokia. Product wise... they're pretty ok. Kinda like Toyota... except they price themselves like a Ferrari.
Posted by adrktemplar
Very well said, dude...
Posted by GingerDiscoBalls
As far as i am concerned, those that know about ericsson and sony ericsson...the reputaion....and everything....they go and use ericsson.
its like word of mouth and just generally there is little SE advertising......so those that do use SE...like us lot...generally know that its better..
i hope that made some sense....i couldnt quite phrase what i was trying to say.
Posted by pachy
How about "Don`t knock it till you`ve tried it"
Posted by dBAGZiq
i like "other" phones..ive had a sony...an ericsson...a panasonic and some nokias...now ended up with a t68
i like to be different and here in PI...nokia is big...its like windows is to Nokia and SEs as Macs...
Im also a Mac user
Posted by bokayo
Nokia 2110, 5110, 3210, 3310, 8210,8250,8850,8890,6210,6310,6510,8310,7650 i had it all and my latest was 6610 but when i SAW SET68i, it was love at 1st sight. And when i finally got my hands on it, just can't LET GO. Got what i mean?
Posted by sleeq
Wel i bought my t68i just bec its d cheapest colour, gprs, blutooth fone here. Told myself dat i'l get used 2 it coz always been a nokia user. Now dis i know, nokia fones r more lyk of fashion gadgets. And SE, wel, its lyk a swis knife i gues!:-) but heres d juice, isnt d t68i d slickest fone in d market? Wel, now i'm a geek model w/ a swiss knife! ;-) Just another proud owner
Posted by Krubach
I just loooove SE (Ericsson) ever since.
Never had a NOKIA, but hey, probably 'cause i'm smart.
Hate the menu design (you never know where you are, or what's the previous/next menu item).
Hate everybody saying "Nokia is the best phone, you can change faceplates" (?!?!?!?!?), "I like nokia 'cause i can send images" (?!?!?!?!?, you call that images?)
Posted by dark_knight_r3turns
What I dont like about NOKIA is that everytime they cook up a new feature/function they make a new phone for it. They dont make it into a bundled up phone. Purely marketing strategy.
Posted by supersonicfruitfly
Why I bought a SE in the first place:
Because I am a non-conformist.
Posted by RCV3
Nokia phones are just stylish on the outside but dated inside while SE phones have the latest technology embedded within them. Even some of their older phones can still compete with the most recent ones feature-wise.
Posted by dark_knight_r3turns
I just hope, in d future, SE will have Future SMS sending. I think the N9210 is able to do that.
Posted by JAYV
with SE, u get what u pay for...
money well spent...
im very impressed with the quality of all ericsson fones i've owned...
great support from SE in terms of firmware upgrades, they don't release an "i" model if a new feature or functionality is introduced to an existing model, my T68 was upgraded, for free (under waranty ofcrs), to a T68i...
excellent after sales support from SE...
i also like the way they categorize their fones (high-end to lo-end) according to the number of features on the fone... i havn't seen them release 2 high-end models at the same time with minor differences on features in each unit...
Posted by j_ash
Jst lyk xerox and colgate,soon in the phils..Nokia=cellphoneRytnow,cel ng byan sa phils: 3310 n 7650.pathetic. A snatcher wud even go for a 3310 than a t68i.
Posted by Orka
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Yes indeed...
has very poor marketing whereas it has strong after sales marketing. Exactly the opposite is Nokia's policy. Although now is trying to change that poor marketing strategy.
Feature wise I don't like/want any present Nokia phone. They have nothing to offer which can make me say "wow, I want it". This thing happened twice with
phones: once with t68 and now with p800. I believe that developers are more hi-tech oriented compared to Nokia's who trying to offer constantly the good old recipie:trendy phones, attractive to new ages and women....
Posted by holybear
Hi guys,
I had a Nok5110 since the beginning, and my mum had a first generation Nokia digital phone, it's like a brick, but I am not blaming it, cos that was the first generation.
I think Nokia has been very smart at the beginning, as they knew people would love to have a large screen, even since the one my mum had, and my 5110 many years ago. These phones all have a square screen, with multi line display, which is very important when it comes to user interactivity. Just imagine, if your computer screen can only do 800 x 200, or 1024 x 350, would you like to use it? I don't think so. Nokia has put in functions that require a large screen, and the large screen has accomodated the functions, such as SMS composing, address book (name an number on same page), Games (snake), etc. This kind of eye plesant interactivity has attracted alot of new mobile users. People would show their Nok phones to friends, and the screen content has done the marketing already.
For Ericsson phones, one of them I had is the 768 (the flip phone with 4 colors options), it has one line display, though small in size, quality was not as good as 5110, where those phones were in the same era. Erisson has been making sleek design, compact size phones, from beginning to the just-gone T39. Flip cover, rectangular display. I would imagine, Ericsson phones(not SE), was good for those who need a phone for mobile conversation, or data service. but doing PIM on the phone is not as easy as doing the same thing on a Nokia phone.
Until lately, Sony and Ericsson has come together, and SE has made phones like R600, then T68, T68i, T100, T300, T200, T600, P800. These phones all have larger screen than old Eri phones, and it is where SE has picked up. It is an unavoidable trend, the screen has to be large, input has to be easy, and customisable(shortcuts). Nokia has been playing the fashion cards since 8210. Just look at the marketing of 8210 and 8250, their boxes, the way they shot the TV commericals. It has more fashion element than function element.
8210, then morph to 8250. 8310 and 6510. 6610 and 7210. All same stories here.
The situation has swapped, where people who want to have a phone just for talking, SMS would use Nokia, but for those who want innovation, may want to try SE, cos it is what SE is doing. Of course, I would say the 7650 was a brave try for Nokia, to be the first camera built-in phone, but if you look at the spec, u know they rushed it, the size, the incapability of use external storage media, the small size of internal memory, the incapability of using bluetooth audio profile.
they are both good for different people out there. We have grandma, who wants a very simple phone, then get her a Nok3310 then, its dirt cheap, and anyone with 10 mins training can use it. The reason why I've got a T68i is cos I need the functions, colour screen is a bonus and relatively small size as well.
Bear
Posted by d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
nokia is still the winner. checkout the company's income and profits and consider the millions of avid, hardcore and loyal nokia fans around the world. hard to beat even for any combined mobile phone company out there.
more people (masses) buying a product, more profits and the company prosphers. the less people (niche) buying a product, the company will loose money and will eventually close down like what almost happened to Ericsson but thanks to sony which caters mostly to the masses.
[ This Message was edited by: d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z on 2003-02-20 09:52 ]
Posted by jplacson
For me, there's room for everyone. Now more than ever, Nokia's Fred Flintstone technology is starting to show. However they package it... their pathetic attempt at a 3G phone is sad.
They are playing their cards right though. They make phones for the masses...nothing more. They're actually very similar to Toyota that way. Nokia makes the cars for the masses, then they made Vertu for the ultra rich. Toyota makes cars for the masses, then they have their luxury line, Lexus. I'd say Nokia=Toyota, Ericsson/SE=Benz
Some people prefer Lexus over Benz... others Toyota. Hey, it's a free market. Nokia is very aggressive with their handset market because it makes up 78% of their income, as opposed to only 10% for Ericsson. Now, SE is a different story. SE may be a separate entity from it's parent companies, but it is also a test bed for all the new technologies that both parent companies have to offer. SE is less than 2 years old!!! And it's already increasing market share.
But I feel, just like Ericsson, SE is catering to a niche market. I personally like it. Not everyone needs the technology that SE has to offer. And sometimes, the basic functions of Nokia aren't enough. So there's a brand for everyone!
I'd hate it if EVERYONE on the planet had the same phone. How boring would that be!?!?!? Even worse... if everyone had different brands of phones, but they all looked the same!!!!
I'm glad SE is still the leader in innovation. I'm glad I bought the P800. (BTW, personal note, the Handy Day app is worth it!) I'm glad Nokia is there as well to push SE into designing better looking phones. I'm just happy that the industry competition is strong enough that all the players are moving fast.
Posted by benjamingreenau
you know, if everyone i knew had a SE phone then what fun would there be. no bluejacking
Also why would they innvoate. Just make the phones so crap that they must be replaced every year or so and voilá - one big fat rich company. like microsoft or ford.
right now nokia is forced to make lost of crap phones so people buy them every 18mnths. SE is forced to make their phones look good and appeal to more of a consumer market.
as someone else said before - SE is like apple, and i own a mac (and a soon to be t68i, SE t100)
Posted by Orka
@holybear
No problem to what you are saying, except the fact that the t68 is made and disigned originally by Ericsson and not the joint venture Sony Ericsson. The same is for T100 T65, all with big screens. The joint venture made after the release of t68
Posted by sterling
i have had several nokia phones,and this is my 1st SE phone. i love it! it's loaded with features and applications. one thing missing though- predictive text. hopefully the 2nd or 3rd release of the p800 will have predictive text?
Posted by ked69
have always had ericssons (g628 A1018s T28 now a T68i) and ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN 100% RELIABLE!!!! I guess thats why i have had only 4 phones in 5 years.
When i dropped the T28 down 3 flights of stairs in work the flip didn't even break ( lucky maybe)!! In comparison friends have nokias, 8210 springs to mind and they were dogs screens falliing out software problems etc.
some say i have just been lucky but reliabillity is a rare thing and i'm gonna stick with S.E!!!!
Posted by dadickin
I have had Nokias in the past, and I am on Orange, since moving to S.E. products, it is the first time I have not had to get orange to replace the phone due to various problems.
And in some cases - 7110 (perfect example) I had a few more than one replacements, in-fact with this very model I had it replaced about 6 times
Posted by za-brat
And what about the stylish Ericsson and SE design? They are absolutely beautiful!!!! Nokia looks like a peace of junk or a toy! Ericsson is not only a phone - it's a work of ART!!!!!
Posted by si_sleaf
I'll tell you what I like about my t68i and my P800. None of my friends have them. All Nokia phones seem to look the same, whereas I think Sony Ericsson make a new phone every time.
Posted by fijbert
oh drop this stupid thread..
it's so pointless to keep arguing about this...
someone lock this
Posted by shithappens
agreed!!! let's all move on now and await the t610 (which i'm surely gonna get
)