Welcome to Esato.com
Pages:
Posted by doministry
Some more displeasing info for Doministry ...
Source
* Fixed Screen size
* Will show best results on OLED screens
* Hardware manufactures will develop the phone in accordance with the specs provided by
* Microsoft, otherwise the door is open for them
* A Zune HD like UI with a few phone-specific controls
* A Usual processor, not a speedy one
* Capacitive multi-touch screen
* Lacks background processing
* To use Apple like notification service
* Built on top of Silvelight and .NET (as we stated previously)
* No multi-tasking
* No access to system resource
* No Process threading
* Lacks visual voicemail
* Won’t run Windows Mobile 6.x apps
Actually this part is incomplete and not true in some cases.
Indeed probably WM 6.x apps will run on WM 7 with just UI enhancements.
As for "no multitasking" is also not true.
Regarding a processor, it's a joke since WM 7 has a very strong
hardware required for it to work.
So thanks I also stay connected to all WM related news 
Posted by drinki
As for "no multitasking" is also not true.
..but it doesn't (multi-task), seen the videos? It just stays on the last view of the executed app/feature and there is no task switcher, unless they change that on the final guise..
Posted by mediar
On 2010-02-16 14:34:21, drinki wrote:
unless they change that on the final guise..
As they probably won't.
Posted by c96sthl
with WM7 having xbox integration.... could this be product tht have playstation3 integration or access like Aino won't be /wm7? it might be just too much for a phone to be able to get so much....xbox and playstation3 sync...but now i am interested to see what Nintendo planned... all this smartphone / mid is getting powerful processor tht can put up fine graphics....their portable business seem at risk.
Posted by doministry
On 2010-02-16 14:34:21, drinki wrote:
As for "no multitasking" is also not true.
..but it doesn't (multi-task), seen the videos? It just stays on the last view of the executed app/feature and there is no task switcher, unless they change that on the final guise..
Video of the Alpha state of the software
planned for Dec 2010?
Give me a break.
Posted by doministry
Backwards compatibility of WM 7 confirmed:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13395
Posted by HxH
NOT END YET! WALKMAN STILL ALIVE but somewhere next corner, maybe it my last hope of heart beat. 
Posted by bart
SE isn't learning. While their new devices might seem ok, they are far from great.
And by the time they get out they'll be outdated.
Android 1.6 is outdated, Symbian series60 is lame, their UIQ version was much better.
Still using TFT screens, cams not really moving with the flow appart from HD cam.
Batterylife not going the right direction.
I gues i'll stick to my P1 and Paris for another year.
Posted by jack00
hey bart
good to see you still around
____________________________________________________________
finally someone is rising their voice!
BARCELONA, Spain--Vodafone CEO Vittorio Colao warns fellow telecom executives that Google--and other companies that dominate parts of the mobile ecosystem--could be getting too powerful and suggests regulators need to get involved.
[ This Message was edited by: jack00 on 2010-02-16 21:41 ]
Posted by dothan
SE are learning. They don't need to have phones that are with the best possible features, they just need phones with good specs on right price levels in order to sell them and to generate profit. Yea, some of the fanboys and geeks maybe will be not so happy from the specs but they are only a small part of the market. Usually the normal users don't really care with is the version of the OS in their phones, they just want them to work as they want.
Posted by goldenface
Sony Ericsson, PSP and Sony Tie-Up on the Way.
He said: 'In the past, there was no tie-up between us, the PSP platform and Sony, but you can expect to hear much more about that. Sir Howard Stringer's [chairman and CEO of Sony] presence here is no coincidence.
'We are focusing on the home environment. The TV, PC, stereo and mobile will have a common communications interface DLNA (digital living network alliance). I want to put my big foot in the home alongside Sony.
Posted by emuneee
Looks like Microsoft is open to Playstation integration in Windows Phone 7 Series.
http://www.techradar.com/news[....]one-7--671089?src=rss&attr=all
Should open the door for a SE handset with some PS3 integration.
Posted by mallaccra
hope this also will mean that se will incorporate the real qualities and features of their "walkman player", "cybershot camera" and "handycam camcorder" into their phones, and it's good to know that they already started by introducing the remote play function for ps3 in aino...
Posted by motvikt
nice! if SE change xbox into playstation and zune into walkman it would be interesting!
Posted by Ultimus
Why would SE even consider adding PlayStation (games) to Windows Mobile? I can perhaps onlysee them adding PSN support for movies, digital comics and music and such, but no games. I think Sony (SCE) will only allow PlayStation gaming on their own platforms, on an own OS, especially considering security of purchases and stability of games. When they want the system to be secure and stable, they will have to control both hardware and software. Hell, even Apple can't with their IPhones being hacked while their hardware and software is closed as well.
A PSPhone will be inevitable though, but for gaming they will develop a closed OS. I'm sure about that.
[ This Message was edited by: Ultimus on 2010-02-17 21:19 ]
Posted by bart
heavily striped down android phones, many buyers will be disappointed, even if they don't want the latest version of the os, comparing it with other phones will make you feel sad.
They general idea of their new phones is quite good, but its a half finish product, they should stop hiring people who got their diploma with the minimum amount of points, or that don't know anything about the telecoms on the field.
And why no new acc? Ericsson used to launch lots of nice acc that gave a surtain addon to your phone.
Posted by bronxdude
is there any music-feature phone in the pipeline? 
I love X10 and X10 mini and Vivaz, however, they don't have clear bass/stereo and equaliser
Posted by Platia1
On 2010-02-17 23:56:18, bronxdude wrote:
is there any music-feature phone in the pipeline?
I love X10 and X10 mini and Vivaz, however, they don't have clear bass/stereo and equaliser
+1
All this awesome audio technology that doesn't even make a feature on Sony Ericsson smartphones.
I'm personally hoping for an Aino II or something to continue the great work done on the original Aino (in terms of sound quality)
[ This Message was edited by: Platia1 on 2010-02-18 05:58 ]
Posted by se80
On 2010-02-17 10:12:46, dothan wrote:
SE are learning. They don't need to have phones that are with the best possible features, they just need phones with good specs on right price levels in order to sell them and to generate profit. Yea, some of the fanboys and geeks maybe will be not so happy from the specs but they are only a small part of the market. Usually the normal users don't really care with is the version of the OS in their phones, they just want them to work as they want.
They are creating rubbish carbon copies of the Iphone. SE have gone the wrong way there build quality and software issues have gone down.
Plus the satio is a terrible phone and it's supposed to be a high end one.
Posted by S4k1s
On 2010-02-20 12:49:32, se80 wrote:
On 2010-02-17 10:12:46, dothan wrote:
SE are learning. They don't need to have phones that are with the best possible features, they just need phones with good specs on right price levels in order to sell them and to generate profit. Yea, some of the fanboys and geeks maybe will be not so happy from the specs but they are only a small part of the market. Usually the normal users don't really care with is the version of the OS in their phones, they just want them to work as they want.
They are creating rubbish carbon copies of the Iphone. SE have gone the wrong way there build quality and software issues have gone down.
Plus the satio is a terrible phone and it's supposed to be a high end one.
"carbon copies of the Iphone" ~~ this is 
thread not LG thread
Posted by Shino03
yeah, I definitely agree that lg are trying hard to copy the iphone
Posted by S4k1s
Btw...
I have to agree with everyone about the Equalizer issue. You can't have a full music experience if you at least can't chose between presets. Flat is the way the music was intended to sound but we all like to edit the bas and treble depending on what earphones we use or what genre we listen to. I don't know if this is a OS limitation, but seeing as the Equalizer is missing from most of the latest handsets this issue needs to be addressed.
Posted by se_love
On 2010-02-20 12:49:32, se80 wrote:
On 2010-02-17 10:12:46, dothan wrote:
SE are learning. They don't need to have phones that are with the best possible features, they just need phones with good specs on right price levels in order to sell them and to generate profit. Yea, some of the fanboys and geeks maybe will be not so happy from the specs but they are only a small part of the market. Usually the normal users don't really care with is the version of the OS in their phones, they just want them to work as they want.
They are creating rubbish carbon copies of the Iphone. SE have gone the wrong way there build quality and software issues have gone down.
Plus the satio is a terrible phone and it's supposed to be a high end one.
SE copying the iPhone is the falsest statement of the year.
Posted by HxH
On 2010-02-20 17:54:44, se_love wrote:
On 2010-02-20 12:49:32, se80 wrote:
On 2010-02-17 10:12:46, dothan wrote:
SE are learning. They don't need to have phones that are with the best possible features, they just need phones with good specs on right price levels in order to sell them and to generate profit. Yea, some of the fanboys and geeks maybe will be not so happy from the specs but they are only a small part of the market. Usually the normal users don't really care with is the version of the OS in their phones, they just want them to work as they want.
They are creating rubbish carbon copies of the Iphone. SE have gone the wrong way there build quality and software issues have gone down.
Plus the satio is a terrible phone and it's supposed to be a high end one.
SE copying the iPhone is the falsest statement of the year.
Oh~ I love you idea 
Posted by synn
My, how awesome is revisionist history?
A bit of googling would tell all the appletards how Steve Jobs was talking to SE on incorporating their UIQ ideas for what would be the iPhone.
Let's also not forget who had accelerometers and touch focus first or where the idea of the "Genius" playlist came from (SenseME) and so on...
So yeah, SE is "Totally ripping off" Apple. lol.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2010-02-17 10:12:46, dothan wrote:
SE are learning. They don't need to have phones that are with the best possible features, they just need phones with good specs on right price levels in order to sell them and to generate profit. Yea, some of the fanboys and geeks maybe will be not so happy from the specs but they are only a small part of the market. Usually the normal users don't really care with is the version of the OS in their phones, they just want them to work as they want.
Sorry but sales figures are dis-agreeing with you here.
Official sales figures from shows that feature phones or low/mid-end mass market phones are NOT selling very well for the past 2009 Fiscal year (you recall that profits DROPPED as well as revenue significantly right)?! One just has to search these very forums for the proof! Management re-organization was done for a reason; and definately against your statement.
Also note sales from the competition on worldwide sales of high-end smartphones (features and hardware) are increasing in sales revenue & profits not dropping! This is no longer a trend as its been sustainably growing increasingly significantly every quarter for over 2yrs now, and exponentially the past 9mths.
is going the cookie cutter carbon segmentation route that Nokia has been known for; which even Nokia has stated their abandoning with any smartphone OS device strategy. SonyEricsson is hoping to boost sales and thus revenue by cutting manufacturing costs by using the same basic hardware platform for the X10 Mini & X10 Mini Pro along with the Vivaz and Vivaz Pro lineup.
Personally I think this is a dumb marketing, platform design, and sales strategy because who in their right minds (geeks, us forum followers, or average consumer) wants to purchase a $300 retail phone that looks and acts like a $150 contract phone?! Or who wants to purchase a $500 retail phone at launch when they need one with a keyboard that costs just $50-70 more; or less than $20 more on contract?!?! [Vivaz vs Vivaz Pro]?!?!?!!!!!
@Synn,
Genius has been around a little longer than you think. Just because it wasn't on iPod/iPhone doesn't mean it was not used or implemented in iTunes the desktop/laptop software earlier. BTW, SenseMe and Genius are not directly competitive nor related in their functionality. So no copying here. What Doministry was talking about was the huge massive direction for touchscreen phones ... now has Satio, Vivaz, Vivaz Pro, X10, X10 Mini, X10 Mini Pro, X2 a total of 7 products; but really just 5 products and sub-categories.
Posted by bronxdude
On 2010-02-20 16:30:25, S4k1s wrote:
Btw...
I have to agree with everyone about the Equalizer issue. You can't have a full music experience if you at least can't chose between presets. Flat is the way the music was intended to sound but we all like to edit the bas and treble depending on what earphones we use or what genre we listen to. I don't know if this is a OS limitation, but seeing as the Equalizer is missing from most of the latest handsets this issue needs to be addressed.
equalisers are not OS limitation. Its reallt sad that SE is not putting equaliser in Vivaz and X10. They would have been perfect.
Posted by wiraperkasa
if this is a phone and under SE playstation brand...can download all the games that the psp go have...it definitely will sell a lot!
http://www.slashgear.com/moblic-e7-wimax-mid-of-mystery-2375232/
[ This Message was edited by: wiraperkasa on 2010-02-23 13:49 ]
Posted by badassmam
Nice and quiet around here 
New Walkmans for a possible Summer announcement. I'm hoping for high end stuff to replace the W995 but it seems this and Cybershot high ends are gone. Walkman = quality music. Cybershot = quality imaging. Entertainment Unlimited = recalls and failure. It's like Ashley Cole pimping when he's got/had Cheryl waiting for him at home. Walkmans were always the coolest and best looking phones, why not resurrect these brands at the top level?
The HTC HD2 will be the first WP7 mobile since its already out but LG plan to put their first one out in September which is a lot sooner than what we expected. Microsoft have specific builds for different form factors so a full touch device has to be 1GHz+ and dedicated graphics chip (like Tegra on Zune) etc. There is a specific slide out qwerty build which also requires 1GHz+ so expect a speedier device than the X2 for sure. Every WP7 promises to be high end, even must comply to this.
Posted by Sutitan
"and Cybershot high ends are gone."
my heart is crushed. Are there ANY cybershots in the lineup?
Posted by kreacher
On 2010-02-26 01:53:20, badassmam wrote:
I'm hoping for high end stuff to replace the W995 but it seems this and Cybershot high ends are gone.
I was hoping for the same since I'm not happy with the image quality on my W995 
SE should just use a large (physical dimension) 3.2 MP EXMOR sensor in a phone and market it as an alternative to some of the small digital cameras with ridiculously high megapixels.
Posted by bronxdude
On 2010-02-26 01:53:20, badassmam wrote:
Nice and quiet around here
New Walkmans for a possible Summer announcement. I'm hoping for high end stuff to replace the W995 but it seems this and Cybershot high ends are gone. Walkman = quality music. Cybershot = quality imaging. Entertainment Unlimited = recalls and failure. It's like Ashley Cole pimping when he's got/had Cheryl waiting for him at home. Walkmans were always the coolest and best looking phones, why not resurrect these brands at the top level?
i agree. why not resurrect Walkman and Cybershot phones? I, for one, is craving for a highend walkman phone. My W980 has been destroyed due to the floods here in the Philippines. I'm missing the clear bass/stereo technology. Plus, it has to have a 3.5mm headphone jack. And touchscreen would be a welcome feature.
Posted by bambarah
Cybershot & Walkman aren't vanished !
Entertainment Unlimited is the combined production , it saves cost for
Posted by TJMonkey15
On 2010-02-26 12:54:25, kreacher wrote:
SE should just use a large (physical dimension) 3.2 MP EXMOR sensor in a phone and market it as an alternative to some of the small digital cameras with ridiculously high megapixels.
I agree! Stop giving us more megapixels and give us better sensors/optics with less pixels.
Posted by bronxdude
On 2010-02-26 23:14:51, bambarah wrote:
Entertainment Unlimited is the combined production , it saves cost for
how can you save cost if all you get are recalls? you are putting the brand in a lose-all situation
Posted by doministry
Badassmam
Thanks for updated info.
I assumed SE highend WM7 since they're Microsoft hardware partners...
Prom1
You forgot to mention also Aspen = touchscreen too.
So it's 8 TS devices.
Compare it to P1/W960 times... Just 2.
Posted by badassmam
EU phones lack the Walkman settings, the cameras are nothing special either. Aino has excellent music while Satio has a good camera. Cybershots should have all the settings that you get on the X10, Satio has whack music so why not make it a Cybershot rather than pretend its a Walkman without a 3.5mm jack? iPhone is the ultimate iPod with fantastic music quality so people don't mind an average camera. I would wait for Walkman announcements because they were always so good in terms of music quality and also the bold and bright designs for young people. How many times I have said to myself, 'I wonder if there is a Walkman version for this?', those were the days.
@doministry
Last year I was banging on about HTC with Tegra and 1.5Ghz processing but it is set for later this year due to WP7 delays. I was expecting this hardware at MWC but Microsoft has changed everything. I would expect this stuff on the HD3 now. I was also expecting phones like the HTC Trophy at MWC. It could be the case that the hardware needs updating since the shelf life of these phones have suddenly been reduced, who knows?
In terms of and its phone, it must have a capacitive screen, dedicated graphics chip, GPS and a few other things, I'm sure you can already picture this phone. Even if it only has 1Ghz instead of 1.5Ghz, WP7 will be slick since Microsoft won't allow poor hardware. I've seen WP7 on HD2 and its electric. It won't be obsolete like the X2 and won't struggle on any process.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2010-02-27 02:03:48, badassmam wrote:
@doministry
Last year I was banging on about HTC with Tegra and 1.5Ghz processing but it is set for later this year due to WP7 delays. I was expecting this hardware at MWC but Microsoft has changed everything. I would expect this stuff on the HD3 now. I was also expecting phones like the HTC Trophy at MWC. It could be the case that the hardware needs updating since the shelf life of these phones have suddenly been reduced, who knows?
In terms of
and its phone, it must have a capacitive screen, dedicated graphics chip, GPS and a few other things, I'm sure you can already picture this phone. Even if it only has 1Ghz instead of 1.5Ghz, WP7 will be slick since Microsoft won't allow poor hardware. I've seen WP7 on HD2 and its electric. It won't be obsolete like the X2 and won't struggle on any process.
Funny enough the hardware IS ready! NVidia does NOT dissappoint and their still on their own, not bought out like ATi have been.
Also note that Audi is using this Tegra2 platform in ALL new vehicle models this year including the new S4/S6/S8/A8. It's an 8-core SMP Cortex A9 cpu and it already has next generation mobile graphics.
I recall you stating this back in October 2009 (?) and I didn't believe you at ALL! I'm sure glad you where right.
Its Microsoft that is holding SE back ... and I fear with the limitations on design UI there is not much worth of investment for differentiation that should invest in.
Posted by doministry
@Badassmam
Thanks. Great info. Interesting if SE will stick to qwerty too, a must thing.....
@Prom1
Well, I still don't really think that Microsoft will completely abandon any customization to UI.
I may be wrong but we'll see...
Basically I don't like Android too much so I don't consider this anyway.
WM - I assume - will still have the fulliest package.
Posted by bambarah
I want to draw attention for a serious point
at least 20% of world population are muslims , they need to know the direction of "Qibla" to do thier pray
I use a pocket compass when I travel to Europe in holidays or business trips to help me showing the right direction when I in my hotelroom
so I think should put digital compass in high ends at least 
There is a nice developed application for that purpose in NOKIA N97 , but I don't know for how long I'd stay loyal to
Posted by se_dude
@bambarah- The X10 has a compass.
Posted by bambarah
On 2010-02-27 15:48:16, se_dude wrote:
@bambarah- The X10 has a compass.
honestly I'm hearing it from for the first time 
Thanks dude or se-dude
Posted by mediar
Maybe you haven't seen the latest video reviews.
Posted by bambarah
yeah maybe
because I didn't seen any compass 
Posted by dothan
@Prom1, I was speaking for the new models - X10 mini, X10 mini pro, vivaz and vivaz pro. All of them have a good specs and are on the right price segments. Yea, the last two years ware not so good for SE.
SE up to now have 3 big issues:
1. Marketing/planning
2. Hardware used
3. Software
Now planning and marketing are quite ok. Hardware wise the new phones are ok, some lessons learned here. The only big area where they need improvement is the software development. They are making all the old mistakes again. The only SW branch that is working well is the android one. The SW stability in the samples, even on the alpha and beta ones is quite promising.
Posted by FMW300
So whatever happened to Abelin? Does it really exist? Or was it Mimmi [X10mp]in reality?
Always greedy for more leaks
Posted by bodeh6
Any announcements for CeBIT? Starts tomorrow. SE listed as an exhibitor.
Posted by TJMonkey15
On 2010-03-02 03:14:00, bodeh6 wrote:
Any announcements for CeBIT? Starts tomorrow. SE listed as an exhibitor.
Reeeeeeeeeaaaaly hoping it's "X10 now shipping worldwide!!!" Ahh perchance to dream.
Posted by rizzamarv
Me too just hoping they get the announced phones on the market quickly so they finally start making some money.....
Don't think there will be any more announcements to soon. Although I am still waiting for a high end Winmo Phone in Bar form. But suppose there will be no more Winmo phones until 7 arrives.
Anybody any knowledge whether SE is working hard on a Winmo 7 device?
Posted by doministry
On 2010-03-02 11:39:36, rizzamarv wrote:
Me too just hoping they get the announced phones on the market quickly so they finally start making some money.....
Don't think there will be any more announcements to soon. Although I am still waiting for a high end Winmo Phone in Bar form. But suppose there will be no more Winmo phones until 7 arrives.
Anybody any knowledge whether SE is working hard on a Winmo 7 device?
Definitely is.
is WM hardware partners.
Recall also Badassmam posts.
Pages:
Click to view updated thread with images
© Esato.com -
From the Esato mobile phone discussion forum