Posted by Tsepz_GP
Wasnt the TouchPro almost identical to the X1 hardware wise?And didnt the TouchPro come out before X1?
X1 was okay, but you had the 2yearold E90 at the time that had a better CPU, and larger screen. Wouldnt say X1 was realy ahead, but realy was refreshing in terms of design compared to other WMs thats for sure.
Posted by badassmam
These devices are actually very good. What is better than Vivaz and Vivaz Pro? The Nokia N97 replacement will be much more expensive. The X10 minis are unique and have a decent spec. Robyn is the square phone, the screen seems like that so that its UI works well. The UI is decent, it does what the X10 does but with less information on the screen at one time so hats off to them. Vivaz and Pro are the stand out devices in their segment.
My disappointment is that there should have previewed another 12MP camera phone. Nokia will show their one which is good but Nokia also have Symbian with multi touch capabilities. That's a good step forward, it means that Symbian fans won't have to move to Android for such features and it shows that they are caring for an important market. The Satio replacement will come but a sneaky peak would have been nice.
A phone capable of running WM7 would cause a massive fuss. Microsoft's announcement will definitely get huge attention and with that in mind, some really hot devices will emerge. That's one party that they look to have missed.
My final gripe is that the X10 minis are nice but the HTC Hero was a massive hit so why not bring something out like that as well. X10 is one of the best but something on the level of Hero would be special and another opportunity missed. I appreciate the thoughts and strategy of
but HTC will have a killer line up and its so easy to have the spotlight shift away. Look at Samsung's Bada phone. Wow for the Super AMOLED and Bada but boo for no multi touch, that phone is in hiding now and it didn't take long at all.
Posted by sealover94
I feel so sad watching SE falling apart... Definition of self-destructive company...
What hapened to the company that bring to life ... p800 and t68 ???
Posted by motvikt
as expected. But where is Abelin???
Posted by PAVILJONAC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GxlsbUSDRI
Posted by juris15
http://www.se-first.com/Vivaz-pro-Live-Pics-Hands-on-video.html
http://www.se-first.com/Xperia-X10-mini-hands-on.html ---really fast!
[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2010-02-14 20:43 ]
Posted by motvikt
On 2010-02-14 21:42:22, juris15 wrote:
http://www.se-first.com/Vivaz-pro-Live-Pics-Hands-on-video.html
http://www.se-first.com/Xperia-X10-mini-hands-on.html ---really fast!
[ This Message was edited by: juris15 on 2010-02-14 20:43 ]
OMG Mini looks amazing. REALLY good job on the interface.
Posted by anders260
does vivaz pro has 5,1 or 8,1
ony Ericsson Vivaz™ pro
Camera
5.1 megapixel camera
4x digital zoom
Auto focus (photos)
Continuous auto focus (video)
Face detection (photos)
Geo tagging
Image stabiliser
Photo light
Send to web
Smile detection
Touch capture
Video light
Video recording (720p HD recording)
Posted by XPHCTOC
The X10 mini is the Iphone killer!!
Seriously I love it!!!
Posted by Phoner
Vivaz has 8.1MP and Vivaz Pro has 5.1MP camera.
Posted by Ultimus
Disappointing show in my opinion. The minis are very interesting, but they seem to have very low battery life when looking at the specifications, something I hate. No, my personal favorite device from SE this year definitely is the Vivaz! Too bad it's still S60 and its MSRP is way higher here in Holland than in other parts of Europe it seems, at € 499!
Definitely too much for me.
I just hoped for some good mid-high end (feature) phones, but perhaps an event like this isn't the right time to annouce those. Oh well.
I do like what I hear about continuous software updates though.
I hope Nokia won't disappoint.
[ This Message was edited by: Ultimus on 2010-02-14 21:20 ]
Posted by jack00
On 2010-02-14 22:13:53, XPHCTOC wrote:
The X10 mini is the Iphone killer!!
Seriously I love it!!!
its not exactly killing it, but it could open a new market segment. there was always demand for something like an iphone nano(can anyone remember the P200 rumors back then
or the hype around the N1(which compares in size)) . not everyone wants to have a nearly 4inch screen in his pocket, but companies were constantly pushing in this direction. the hands-on video @se-first.com shows that the UI works(which can't be taken for granted at this size) so i'm holding my thumbs for the x10mini.
Posted by TJMonkey15
The original X10 still interests me the most. I hope it is released in early March!! I'm thinking that having a couple more Android phones (the Robyns) will motivate SE to give all versions of the X10s updates to newer Android OS revisions. Only time will tell I guess.
Posted by doministry
On 2010-02-14 21:13:37, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Wasnt the TouchPro almost identical to the X1 hardware wise?And didnt the TouchPro come out before X1?
X1 was okay, but you had the 2yearold E90 at the time that had a better CPU, and larger screen. Wouldnt say X1 was realy ahead, but realy was refreshing in terms of design compared to other WMs thats for sure.
TPro 2 was quite some time after X1.
X1 was almost on par with TPro 1.
TPro 1 had for instance much lower screen resolution.
As for E90 - AFAIK it had weaker processor than X1 platform.
330 MHz ARM processor.
And that was not a touch screen.
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2010-02-14 21:52 ]
Posted by Tsepz_GP
On 2010-02-14 22:51:46, doministry wrote:
On 2010-02-14 21:13:37, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Wasnt the TouchPro almost identical to the X1 hardware wise?And didnt the TouchPro come out before X1?
X1 was okay, but you had the 2yearold E90 at the time that had a better CPU, and larger screen. Wouldnt say X1 was realy ahead, but realy was refreshing in terms of design compared to other WMs thats for sure.
TPro 2 was quite some time after X1.
X1 was almost on par with TPro 1.
TPro 1 had for instance much lower screen resolution.
As for E90 - AFAIK it had weaker processor than X1 platform.
330 MHz ARM processor.
And that was not a touch screen.
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2010-02-14 21:52 ]
Yes, TP1 AND X1 both corrected something the other didnt have lol, i would have picked X1 anyway.
What i meant by E90 having a better CPU was because it had a TI OMAP2420 with PowerVR MBX Graphics Acceleration which was the best in ARM11, yet ran at lower frequency: 332mhz.
Anyway sorry for being offtopic.
Posted by Muhammad-Oli
The Vivaz Pro looks very nice, but I still think that the X10 Minis are ugly phones. I expected more to be honest... Let's hope SE has something WM7 up their sleeves.
Posted by Karun
Any news on when the Vivaz will be rolled out and its pricing? Can we still expect it to be priced around 380 euros as speculated?
Posted by jack00
i just printed out a X10mini & pro 3D paper model to get a feeling for its size - and man, the size is amazing - even shorter then my T650. you hear about it, but you don't realize until you get a comparison.
Posted by c96sthl
the only disappointment is....this yr portfolio is focused on 2 industrial design but well now we have to hope the content...hardware and software part of it is good.
but well another nice thing is.... for those who dislike vivaz without qwerty keypad...now they have an option...those who dislike big phone like x10....they have mini and mini pro
now makes me wonder will Apple also planning a small size iPHONE hehe
well X10 is the iPHONE killer but iPHONE got nothing to take on x10mini
btw....x10 mini feel like neonode N1 or N2
[ This Message was edited by: c96sthl on 2010-02-15 01:07 ]
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2010-02-14 23:26:01, Muhammad-Oli wrote:
The Vivaz Pro looks very nice, but I still think that the X10 Minis are ugly phones. I expected more to be honest... Let's hope SE has something WM7 up their sleeves.
I too was disapointed. I feel going this route, Nokia duplicate and reduce pricing for another segment, is NOT the way to go. Woah,
... cut up the X10 into a Mini, a Mini Pro, and make the Vivaz a Pro too; yet reduce all their ability's except the VPro ... right. Well many will sell I'm sure and for the lower end SE needs to completely revamp that endeavor. We'll see what they have planned for WinMo7 Series.
Posted by echo.shane
X2 X10 Vivaz Aspen X10 mini 10 mini pro Vivaz pro
Still relying on Aino Satio
What am i missing out on....
You can all now choose and refuse omg
For me either x10 vivaz pro or x2 most likely x10
Posted by c96sthl
http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]9/1266065477/MS450_black_1.jpg
when you check out the press image for MS450...you will notice the audio jack look HUGE!
i wonder what else it have beside being a 3.5mm jack.
Posted by c96sthl
well if they have a X10 w-Mini ...using an Aino 3in screen but just elongate the phone, it will be interesting hehe but that will mean it start fighting with Vivaz.
the more I look into the color and styling of X10...the more it look like Neonode N2.
of course spec wise, this is better. One thing for sure, this is showing Android can fit into very small phone....I do love the 4 corner implementation of short cut....plus we just need to drag and drop for shortcut replacement.
Posted by emuneee
I think SE current plans reflect the fact that they gotta start making money again selling devices. They basically filled 5 segments for the price of three. Hopefully it works out for them.
Posted by ^^HAMID^^
when the RAM value of the X10 changed to 384?
Posted by xell
On 2010-02-15 00:26:26, jack00 wrote:
you hear about it, but you don't realize until you get a comparison.
Posted by juris15
http://creations.sonyericsson.com/
Posted by se_love
That's.....it? No features, no ground breakers, just Pro's and Mini's? I demand blood be spilt and poured into the streets of Sweden.
[ This Message was edited by: se_love on 2010-02-15 11:05 ]
Posted by goldenface
I think they just might be onto something with the X10 Mini. It's looking good.
Strange seeing no more Cyber-shot and Walkman phones announced.
Posted by se_love
On 2010-02-15 12:38:09, goldenface wrote:
I think they just might be onto something with the X10 Mini. It's looking good.
Strange seeing no more Cyber-shot and Walkman phones announced.
Posted by NightBlade
I think they're shifting towards the EU and Xperia brand names. And while you do lose some of the Walkman and Cyber-shot prestige, you get the best of both worlds with the new brands. Me likey.
Posted by jack00
the walkman brand should be reduced to a software app which available on all EU and Xperia devices.
Posted by goldenface
I don't know.
Aino was supposed to come under the EU brand but while the music quality is outstanding - the imaging and cam features are not up there with the nearly two year old C905.
They should keep EU, Cybershot and Walkman brands running together, that way people do at least have the choice or having an imaging phone, a music phone or a combination.
I still think there is a powerful case for a top flight, compact, full touch screen Walkman with minimal or even no imaging.
Posted by Phoner
On 2010-02-15 05:45:41, c96sthl wrote:
when you check out the press image for MS450...you will notice the audio jack look HUGE!
i wonder what else it have beside being a 3.5mm jack.
I guess this is why...
Posted by ljf881
Bert Nordberg from Sony Ericsson is interviewed in todays swedish daily financial newspaper Dagens Industri. He mentions a product coming in autumn that is more closely connected to Sony. Eventuelly more products will be added to that family. He adds "You can't get more than that from me"...
http://di.se/Avdelningar/Arti[....]icleid=2010%5C02%5C15%5C370621
Posted by eternal_wind
err... excuse me... no more annoucement? please tell me this is not true....
Posted by mallaccra
i think se "was forced" to move from the typical wm and cs to eu series. these probably due to se was unable to incorporate the real wm and cs standard into their phones, thus that is where the "entertainment unlimited" comes in imo
[ This Message was edited by: mallaccra on 2010-02-15 13:43 ]
Posted by jack00
microsoft is really pushing hard this year
" First off, every 7 Series phone will be a Zune."
additionally xbox live is getting integrated into every winmob7
its definitely not getting easier for se
xbox live on a sony device - this is never going to happen!
Posted by emuneee
Just announced...Sony Ericsson is a hardware partner for Windows Phone 7 Series
Posted by mediar
Have you seen this topic about Windows Phone 7 - http://www.winmatrix.com/foru[....]one-7-details-no-multitasking/ . It's a real drawback compared to WM 6.5.3.
http://www.winmatrix.com/foru[....]phone-7-interface-leaked-pics/
Posted by doministry
On 2010-02-15 16:04:07, emuneee wrote:
Just announced...Sony Ericsson is a hardware partner for Windows Phone 7 Series
That is excellent news for me...!
Posted by doministry
On 2010-02-15 16:15:57, mediar wrote:
Have you seen this topic about Windows Phone 7 - http://www.winmatrix.com/foru[....]one-7-details-no-multitasking/ . It's a real drawback compared to WM 6.5.3.
http://www.winmatrix.com/foru[....]phone-7-interface-leaked-pics/
Absolutely no believe in no-multitasking.
P.S.
Very important:
Just heard it through the WM conference: Microsoft was asked how about customizing UI when SE wants to look like SE, and Microsoft wants to have the consistency.
The answer was not straight but he gave examples from the past, saying
that there will be "extensions" possible but not fundamental rebuilding of it allowed - that
is how I got it.
Assuming: probably some changes possible to differentiate let's say SE from HTC,
but restrictions will be present too.
And that is actually OK with me. Looks like WindowsPhone 7 will be pleasant to use.
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2010-02-15 15:26 ]
Posted by doministry
But it also looks like a much more closed ecosystem like Apple.
Looks like you have to switch apps through homescreen so it's
like closing apps before going to another...
In this case it will be disaster to any user who don't gives a fcuk about Facebook
but wants to have a powerful platform.
Posted by Ultimus
On 2010-02-15 14:09:06, ljf881 wrote:
Bert Nordberg from Sony Ericsson is interviewed in todays swedish daily financial newspaper Dagens Industri. He mentions a product coming in autumn that is more closely connected to Sony. Eventuelly more products will be added to that family. He adds "You can't get more than that from me"...
http://di.se/Avdelningar/Arti[....]icleid=2010%5C02%5C15%5C370621
Wow, great quote! Seriously, this can't be anything but a PlayStation Phone, right? What other kind of phone would SE need a close connection to Sony for really? Plus, I could see them adding multiple models, some touch screen only, some in the PSP Go form factor with all PSP buttons.
With XBox Live hitting Microsoft Phone Series 7, Sony will have to follow anyway, and they have had the time to plan and develop it for so long already, it's about time!
Edit: Only other possibility I can think of is a Sony / SE tablet? Then again, I don't think Sony would need SE for that.
[ This Message was edited by: Ultimus on 2010-02-15 18:40 ]
Posted by se_love
I dunno what's better that comes outta this.
1)SE releasing an official launch product for WinMo
2) A WinMo that looks decent to use.
3)SE taking this and sexing it up to the high heavens with their awesome customization
4)An SE WinMo phone I can finally buy.
Posted by Robis
and that's all, what will show SE? Sad....
Posted by badassmam
WP7 can multi task the main elements like music and web. Apps become shortcuts so you can switch between them. Overall, a stunning advancement on the previous OS. Expect the WP7
phone 2010/2011.
The announcement was actually good because they filled various gaps in important markets. While there was nothing revolutionary, its still a solid showing and with such phones; much more likely to succeed than fail.
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2010-02-15 13:16:05, Phoner wrote:
On 2010-02-15 05:45:41, c96sthl wrote:
when you check out the press image for MS450...you will notice the audio jack look HUGE!
i wonder what else it have beside being a 3.5mm jack.
I guess this is why...
Looks like the return of the ol' quality high-end Cassette Players and Mini-Disc/Hi-MD Disc players (all portable) with remote control via a side port of the 3.5mm. Still think the existence of the X10 Mini is a bad mistake.
On 2010-02-15 17:25:32, doministry wrote:
But it also looks like a much more closed ecosystem like Apple.
Looks like you have to switch apps through homescreen so it's
like closing apps before going to another...
In this case it will be disaster to any user who don't gives a fcuk about Facebook
but wants to have a powerful platform.
you'll find out more about multiple app switching at MIX next month as Balmer said. Due to the early presentation and no product launch until Xmas 2010 season (which is late week October - December) its possible heaving coding with .Net, C#, and other new coding schema's are going to be used ... very Zune HD like which is a plus, the bad is no multitasking that we can see.
BONUS: IF Zune HD based in terms of hardware then most likely NVidia Tegra2 is used and that is a HUGE extensible platform (much better than the Qualcomm Snapdragon2) ... we're talking 8-core Cortex A9 ppl running at 1Ghz or more!! which includes SMP support ... Snapdragon2 has not been confirmed to be SMP support - and if you're not sure what that means ... take a look at what your PC of your choice is able to handle apps running simultaneously ... that'll give you a hint of what SMP gives you - of which OpenGL is a (vague extension of that).
badassmam, what you've explained is like apps running headless - very similar to what JSR271 is proposed to accomplish, nothing new I know, but very different. What we're after is quick app switching where apps processes are not reduced/paused/killed until next GUI (or Headed) launched to the user to complete/execute their intended tasks.
Posted by mustafabay
Being always on a budget, I always hope for lower end phone. So I can buy and SE market share hopefully improve. But then the X10 mini pro might be low enough.
I suppose there are still gaps to be filled but that's what the rest of the year is for.
And WP7Series(gotta use the official name
) integrating with XBox is the only problem. SE could live with the stock UI since it is good but XBox?
Posted by Supa_Fly
On 2010-02-15 17:25:32, doministry wrote:
But it also looks like a much more closed ecosystem like Apple.
Looks like you have to switch apps through homescreen so it's
like closing apps before going to another...
In this case it will be disaster to any user who don't gives a fcuk about Facebook
but wants to have a powerful platform.
Some more displeasing info for Doministry ...
Source
* Built on top of Zune HD Kernel
* Fixed Screen size
* Will show best results on OLED screens
* Hardware manufactures will develop the phone in accordance with the specs provided by
* Microsoft, otherwise the door is open for them
* A Zune HD like UI with a few phone-specific controls
* A Usual processor, not a speedy one
* Capacitive multi-touch screen
* Lacks background processing
* To use Apple like notification service
* Built on top of Silvelight and .NET (as we stated previously)
* No multi-tasking
* No access to system resource
* No Process threading
* Lacks visual voicemail
* Won’t run Windows Mobile 6.x apps
* Fixed Screen size
* Will show best results on OLED screens
* Hardware manufactures will develop the phone in accordance with the specs provided by
* Microsoft, otherwise the door is open for them
* A Zune HD like UI with a few phone-specific controls
* A Usual processor, not a speedy one
* Capacitive multi-touch screen
* Lacks background processing
* To use Apple like notification service
* Built on top of Silvelight and .NET (as we stated previously)
* No multi-tasking
* No access to system resource
* No Process threading
* Lacks visual voicemail
* Won’t run Windows Mobile 6.x apps