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Posted by mustafabay
I guess one big question to ask is, are there going to be any LTE products form SE this year? I don't see a Z1010 style early model but at least a PC card/USB modem? Heck the first network is up in Sweden and Norway.


Posted by Mizzle

On 2010-01-19 19:53:36, goldenface wrote:

On 2010-01-19 19:28:48, Mizzle wrote:
Howdy, Symbian!



Another cryptic clue Miz?



I would assume so

Posted by tranced
Howdy's a codename?

Posted by bodeh6
With all the talk of Symbian, Android, and WM are we still going to see any higher end "feature phones"? I would love to see an update to the A2 platform.

Posted by badassmam
Maybe are giving Symbian a facelift like Nokia? In fairness, Symbian has improved a lot and I can see it becoming stronger. I have seen Nokia making their version a lot more Nokia-ish which gives it more of an identity, I'm sure others will follow. Android is getting its various updates but I don't see anything exciting, it down to the manufacturers to modify. MWC is not far off so everything will soon be cleared up. The January Apple announcement is also important because these companies have a rough idea of what will come and have prepared accordingly i.e. HTC having developed a tablet PC (has been put on ice for the moment). If the next iPhone is revealed, you should see some sort of reaction at MWC. I think Apple will make it a proper smart phone and bring it a lot closer to being a top device for the business user. I am eager to see the laptop/netbook thing.

WM 7 is probably the biggest mover. Its a totally new platform in the sense that its nothing like 6.5, the IT guys could probably give a more elaborate explanation. Its more Zune HD like (which runs on Tegra) and definitely more media centric therefore, moving towards being a much improved phone. A lot is owed to the iPhone OS of course but Microsoft would never admit that. We could see it later in the year and maybe not as soon as I originally thought. It does require power so around 1Ghz and above which is good news for those waiting for the X2 successor. I think that WM 7 will be awesome and with that will be some great high end devices.

One thing I have been thinking of is the potential loss of handwriting recognition because of capacitive screens. I have quickly become tired of the X1 qwerty and miss the quick UIQ and Symbian writing action, I use block recogniser a lot now. I would definitely miss this feature on my next business phone. A stylus would work on capacitive screens but will there be support?

As for feature phones, I think the Entertainment Unlimited phones will take over. Walkmans and Cybershots since the W995 have been mid and low end only. I would have liked Kurara as a Walkman with play/pause buttons etc. and generally, I miss the distinct flavours of the high end Walkmans and Cybershots.

Posted by goldenface
So depending on what Apple announce we should see a reaction at MWC? That sounds good. I would like to see what feature phones they are developing.

@tranced

Howdy reminds me of a cowboy on a horse. I'm trying to think why this would relate to a SE mobile or codename although I'm probably on the wrong track.

May be we are going to see Symbian with a new skin and UI on it.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-01-20 09:21 ]


Posted by king-james
NEW PICS?









Symbian S60 5th edition
Processor: 720MHz
microSD, 8 GB included
8,1 MP Camera
Videos in 720p HD
A-GPS
3,5 mm Jack
3,2 " Display, Resolution: 640 x 360 Pixeln
Micro USB-Port

Colours:
Moon Silver
Cosmic Black
Galaxy Blue
Venus Ruby

[ This Message was edited by: murderjon on 2010-01-20 15:11 ]


Posted by >500
HELLO red and blue!!!

the back looks fantastic!

Posted by goldenface
Looking good. I've loving the new colours that are coming out.

Posted by doministry
@badassmam

thanks again for a good WM7 info!

Posted by Mizzle
Heh, that's Symbian all right.

Posted by se_dude
being announced tomorrow i presume?

Posted by wiraperkasa
and in the market 6 months after that (yeah...just joking )

Posted by mediar
Yes, it'll be announced tomorrow and it's official name is Sony Ericsson Vivaz.

Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imJeUkS1ta8

More pictures from Mobile Bulgaria:






[ This Message was edited by: mediar on 2010-01-20 17:15 ]


Posted by ljf881
More facts here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/[....]8-megapixels-worth-of-symbian/

Posted by Santa_Claus

On 2010-01-20 17:47:11, wiraperkasa wrote:
and in the market 6 months after that (yeah...just joking )


in stores in March/April

Posted by tranced
A camera photo dedicated button and a video recording dedicated button?

The phone's looking good in official pics

Posted by Ultimus
Wow, looking really reallly good! It has everything I'm looking for.

*Hopes it won't be any wider / taller than a 5800XM*

Oh, found the dimensions already: 107 x 51.7 x 12.5 mm, EXCELLENT!

Hello, my next phone! Please have good battery life and don't be as bug-ridden as Satio and it's a sale!

Posted by xell

On 2010-01-20 18:48:55, Ultimus wrote:
Wow, looking really reallly good! It has everything I'm looking for.

*Hopes it won't be any wider / taller than a 5800XM*

Oh, found the dimensions already: 107 x 51.7 x 12.5 mm, EXCELLENT!

At only 97g, that's sweet.

Highest-res pics here on my site: http://entertainmentunlimited.de/node/66

Posted by mediar
As I remember, this phone was defined as one of the ugliest devices by SE, but the official pictures changed your mind.

Posted by mreman4k

On 2010-01-20 19:00:22, mediar wrote:
As I remember, this phone was defined as one of the ugliest devices by SE, but the official pictures changed your mind.



This is how it was for the X2 as well...lol.

Posted by xenia
WOW! Animated background on Symbian!

Posted by se_love
Well this makes sense, like the X2(as mentioned) this is a lot less ugly. And the interface doesn't look too bad. Thank god the Vivaz(THE HELL?) has a qwerty version, which I can get on with very easily. SE has not lost me. Yet. When is the qwerty coming by the way? Or they going to screw that up and lose it.


Posted by goldenface
Wow indeed!

It looks like 2010 is off to a good start for SE. The design is great.

So can we take it that this won't be the only phone being announced tomorrow. Does anyone know what time the announcement will be?

It feels like ages since we had a decent announcement to look forward to in the rumours thread.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-01-20 18:52 ]


Posted by mustafabay

On 2010-01-20 19:00:22, mediar wrote:
As I remember, this phone was defined as one of the ugliest devices by SE, but the official pictures changed your mind.


Well I never hated it. But one thing for sure, for as long as I can remember SE phones have been the kind that grow on you. Except the really cheap ones or Jalou.

Posted by se_dude
According to eldar, the price is gonna be 400 euros. Also that the price is ridiculous.
I think the price is awesome.What say?


Posted by wiraperkasa

On 2010-01-20 20:04:52, se_dude wrote:
According to eldar, the price is gonna be 400 euros. Also that the price is ridiculous.
I think the price is awesome.What say?


what will be the starting price for X10 then?

Posted by Dups!
Aaargh!

I still find it bloody ugly! It is un-SE in my opinion. One thing for sure it looks like it will do well provided the price is reasonable. I guess the S60 consumers are happy.

I am still waiting to see 'Abelin' with its QWERTY keypad and Android under the hood.

Posted by Ultimus
400 euros and expensive? Well, seeing as the X6 from Nokia is very comparable (I think it may only have a capacitive screen as a plus?) and that one is over 500 euros everywhere here, 400 euros is a steal! Especially considering many online retailers will sell it for less as usual. If the battery life is good, I'll definitely get it at 350.

The blue one looks hot too, though I'll probably go for silver.
[ This Message was edited by: Ultimus on 2010-01-20 19:37 ]


Posted by motvikt
what kind of screen? cant seem to find any info on that

Posted by FMW300
Why, in the video, does he keep mentioning 'Communications/Entertainment?' Is this the same as Entertainment Unlimited or something new this year?

Posted by rss_ndrsn
The first I saw the pic of Vivaz, I found it "Fugly." Now that I see the official pics, I find it "cute and youthful."

Posted by xell

On 2010-01-21 00:48:16, FMW300i wrote:
Why, in the video, does he keep mentioning 'Communications/Entertainment?' Is this the same as Entertainment Unlimited or something new this year?

New. CE is about curves in design and open OSes on the phones. X10 & Vivaz are part of CE, with other phones to follow.

Posted by mediar
I didn't get it, but Hazel and Elm should be part of CE too. Am I right?

Posted by tranced
Vivaz's official

Posted by Dups!
MWC is barely 4 weeks away and there is no single leak of my potential phone. Come on now guys, leak that Android 'Abelin' cause I would love to see if it looks great and has specs to match.

I am not going to be fussy on this one, I just want that 3'' capacitive screen, a very good QWERTY keypad, at least a Snapdragon processor, 5mp autofus camera, hopefully Android 2.1, around 12 mm thick/thin, excellent screen resolution (480X800 and 16 million colours), that noise shield thingy for clean and crisp call quality. Those are the major specs I need. I hope it looks classy like the P1 did back then and not like Faith!

Posted by se_love

On 2010-01-20 20:04:52, se_dude wrote:
According to eldar, the price is gonna be 400 euros. Also that the price is ridiculous.
I think the price is awesome.What say?
Thats ludicrous and uncalled for,even for Eldar. There's some lines you just don't cross and he just did. I wonder if this will make me jump boat and go into the touchscreen craze....cause this is seriously tempting.

Posted by mreman4k

On 2010-01-21 15:06:15, Dups! wrote:
MWC is barely 4 weeks away and there is no single leak of my potential phone. Come on now guys, leak that Android 'Abelin' cause I would love to see if it looks great and has specs to match.

I am not going to be fussy on this one, I just want that 3'' capacitive screen, a very good QWERTY keypad, at least a Snapdragon processor, 5mp autofus camera, hopefully Android 2.1, around 12 mm thick/thin, excellent screen resolution (480X800 and 16 million colours), that noise shield thingy for clean and crisp call quality. Those are the major specs I need. I hope it looks classy like the P1 did back then and not like Faith!



Why do you need a leak? Why can't you just wait until MWC? lol

Posted by xell

On 2010-01-21 10:28:03, mediar wrote:
I didn't get it, but Hazel and Elm should be part of CE too. Am I right?

No, they aren't smartphones.

Posted by mediar
But they also have a curve on the back.

Posted by se_dude
Isnt the financial report due today?

Posted by synn


Why do you need a leak? Why can't you just wait until MWC? lol


Because holding a leak for weeks make people extremely restless (Pun somewhat intended)

Posted by xell

On 2010-01-22 07:34:04, se_dude wrote:
Isnt the financial report due today?
Guess what, it's already out, and income still at the wrong side...

Posted by synn
Yes, but a statement like that is hardly conveying all the facts.

Things ARE getting better. Losses are lesser than in Q3. Sales and margins are up and so is the average price per handset (Which means more high end handsets are selling). This quarter had to factor in some significant restructuring charges thanks to some facilities being closed. If that's the last of it, these numbers actually point to a recovery and possibly a return to black this year.



Posted by xell

On 2010-01-22 09:13:37, synn wrote:
Yes, but a statement like that is hardly conveying all the facts.

Things ARE getting better. Losses are lesser than in Q3. Sales and margins are up and so is the average price per handset
Agreed, nonetheless you've to see they "only" sold 500.000 units more than in q3 (hope I got the numbers right, am on my phone now) although xmas was a se stronghold so far. Net income is -167m, was -164m last q. Sure there are the restructuring cost, 150m? But they can't highlight better sales due to more attractive portfolio, it was basically the xmas sales.

Posted by se_dude
The only items that sold were the W995,Aino,satio and the Yari. I am sure with the onset of a fw more handsets the situation would be better. The vivaz looks sweet and so does the X10. Lets see what the others bring to the mix.The kanna should be good too.

Posted by synn

On 2010-01-22 10:01:10, xell wrote:
Agreed, nonetheless you've to see they "only" sold 500.000 units more than in q3 (hope I got the numbers right, am on my phone now) although xmas was a se stronghold so far. Net income is -167m, was -164m last q. Sure there are the restructuring cost, 150m? But they can't highlight better sales due to more attractive portfolio, it was basically the xmas sales.



Yep, you've pretty much got the gist of it. I don't think it was just the X-mas effect though. Media drama aside, both the Satio and the Aino have sold really well and have very good brand recognition on the streets; at least here. Lay people recognize the Aino name and shape a lot more than say, the W995, which in its own right sold well. The huge marketing campaign and the R&D on the handsets themselves gladly haven't gone to waste.

That said, there needs to be a catalyst that can transform this renewed interest into money in the bank, not just by numbers but also with healthy, yet justifiable margins. The Satio isn't it and the Vivaz is simply not high-end enough to do this. The X10 however is and there's every chance that this is the "Hero product" that will bring SE back to normalcy.

Posted by Dups!
@mreman4k

Because the phone isn't really guaranteed that it will show up at MWC. Besides, SE's strategy is to leak phones to keep 'interest alive' so why not show off on this one.

@synn

Trying your luck at showing you have a sense of humour?

Posted by synn

On 2010-01-22 10:47:24, Dups! wrote:

@synn

Trying your luck at showing you have a sense of humour?



Haha I most definitely do! I just don't show the funny side often.

Posted by Dups!
You should show that side more often cause you tend to come across as being pissed off most the time

Seriously though, I am really looking forward to 'Abelin' cause my P1 has served and continues to serve me extremely well even though it has become slow by today's standards. Se just needs to be more SE-ish in design and not Nokia-ish. I want that sex appeal of the X1, X2, X10, Satio and even the P1 on 'Abelin' cause it will be what I need on a phone. The P1 was a one of its kind with that QWERTY+Touchscreen combo and it works brilliantly.

I really hope they don't give a Faith lookalike cause I will puke. Nokia would hev been proud of Faith's design. I also find the Vivaz ugly which makes me think they have lost their damn minds in that design department!


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