Posted by MrCash
@avmaxfan
So are you trying to make us forget about
flagship phone and that whole story with another story of (walkman Android) ??
at least tell us something ,, Admit that Eldar is right and there is no 2011 flagship phone or try to prove what you were saying ..
** A friend of me knows someone inside SE and he asked him about surprise of 2011 and he answered :
(( The sexiest shape with latest android version , cant say anything more ))
[ This Message was edited by: MrCash on 2010-11-18 20:11 ]
Posted by Eldar
Talked today about "flagship" - nothing on horizont, sorry guys.
Walkman Android phones - LOL. They will add this features in X10 Mini update and Vivaz update as well. Difference in W button and some other stuff. But thats it. Nothing special. And thats not a separate models from what I describe before.
Future of SE. Someone count SE money. Thats not a case. Company lost market share and this story will last long . Sad story. Vodafone decide to buy only half of 2010 volume to next year, almost the same situation about other carriers.
About Russia. It was a really stupid comment that SE arent care about Russian market. If this people know SE better, they will know that russian market is the biggest in Europe (volume/price) and for SE it was number 2 in terms of value for 5 or 6 years. Bot in past 3 years, thats true. Due to stupid managment in SE Russia HQ
Posted by io_bg
Walkman Android phones - LOL. They will add this features in X10 Mini update and Vivaz update as well. Difference in W button and some other stuff. But thats it. Nothing special. And thats not a separate models from what I describe before.
It's good to hear there'll be more Walkman phones. Could you please share some more info about them - will they have equalizers like the high-end Walkmans (W995, W980), stereo speakers, more music options in the Media menu and maybe dedicated music keys (like on W995)? Thanks in advance.
Posted by Mizzou
Eldar, why so pessimistic reasoning? I see the future of SE much more optimistic, SE has a chance with new phones in its portfolio, nothing of rumors about the new phone is not officially confirmed, these are just rumors and current debates, everyone else wait until next year and the results will come.
I agree with the sentence that russian market is the biggest in Europe, it's true!
Posted by Maximys
On 2010-11-18 20:45:29, Legen wrote:
maybe Anzu is Vivaz replacement?
Hallon is successor of Vivaz.
Posted by OriginaTitan
@eldar
can you tell when the announcement is ?
Posted by motvikt
On 2010-11-18 22:55:24, Maximys wrote:
On 2010-11-18 20:45:29, Legen wrote:
maybe Anzu is Vivaz replacement?
Hallon is successor of Vivaz.
And smultron vivaz pro 2 I guess?
Max what do you say about Berts talk about the most advanced phone on the market? Will it come?
Posted by doministry
On 2010-11-18 22:30:27, Mizzou wrote:
Eldar, why so pessimistic reasoning? I see the future of SE much more optimistic, SE has a chance with new phones in its portfolio, nothing of rumors about the new phone is not officially confirmed, these are just rumors and current debates, everyone else wait until next year and the results will come.
I agree with the sentence that russian market is the biggest in Europe, it's true!
Well we know nothing for sure.
But it's obvious - no great market succes without something groundbreaking....
And in time, ahead of others...
Posted by back2you
On 2010-11-18 21:40:10, Eldar wrote:
Talked today about "flagship" - nothing on horizont, sorry guys.
Walkman Android phones - LOL. They will add this features in X10 Mini update and Vivaz update as well. Difference in W button and some other stuff. But thats it. Nothing special. And thats not a separate models from what I describe before.
Future of SE. Someone count SE money. Thats not a case. Company lost market share and this story will last long . Sad story. Vodafone decide to buy only half of 2010 volume to next year, almost the same situation about other carriers.
About Russia. It was a really stupid comment that SE arent care about Russian market. If this people know SE better, they will know that russian market is the biggest in Europe (volume/price) and for SE it was number 2 in terms of value for 5 or 6 years. Bot in past 3 years, thats true. Due to stupid managment in SE Russia HQ
[ This Message was edited by: back2you on 2010-11-18 23:22 ]
Posted by justus333
Some of you are acting like children who dont want to realize the facts. Eldar might have been wrong at times but for years now he correctly described the developement of Sony///. Avmazfan is like Santa Claus who makes promises about christmas presents if all behaved well but actually doesnt have anything to back him up
You desperately want to believe, thatīs the problem but looking back at the last years thereīs nothing to believe, nothing to hope for.
A dying company where one wrong decision leads to another wrong decision. Even the so hoped for change with a new CEO hasnīt turned out to be good. Now they have nothing to announce and when they eventually do (according to Rog in January), itīs going to be gadgets that are one year behind their competitors!!!
Really sad but even sadder is the desperation of the fans here! That should make SOny/// realize what a great fan base they are losing!!
Posted by back2you
On 2010-11-19 00:31:06, justus333 wrote:
Some of you are acting like children who dont want to realize the facts. Eldar might have been wrong at times but for years now he correctly described the developement of Sony///. Avmazfan is like Santa Claus who makes promises about christmas presents if all behaved well but actually doesnt have anything to back him up
You desperately want to believe, thatīs the problem but looking back at the last years thereīs nothing to believe, nothing to hope for.
A dying company where one wrong decision leads to another wrong decision. Even the so hoped for change with a new CEO hasnīt turned out to be good. Now they have nothing to announce and when they eventually do (according to Rog in January), itīs going to be gadgets that are one year behind their competitors!!!
Really sad but even sadder is the desperation of the fans here! That should make SOny/// realize what a great fan base they are losing!!
Can you believe the President of Sony Ericsson ?
or you believe Eldar ?
Posted by justus333
I believed all CEOs from Sony/// until some years ago when I realized that they had lost the plot. NOw I donīt anymore. But I would be more than happy if they proved me wrong this time.
Eldar has been a warner and a critic and the decline of Sony/// proves him right and this decline is a given fact that even the most faithful fans here wonīt be able to deny!
I mean, even I keep on returning here to read and hope that some great news might be revealed but.....they keep on getting worse...
Posted by back2you
On 2010-11-19 00:48:13, justus333 wrote:
I believed all CEOs from Sony/// until some years ago when I realized that they had lost the plot. NOw I donīt anymore. But I would be more than happy if they proved me wrong this time.
Eldar has been a warner and a critic and the decline of Sony/// proves him right and this decline is a given fact that even the most faithful fans here wonīt be able to deny!
I mean, even I keep on returning here to read and hope that some great news might be revealed but.....they keep on getting worse...
You will see soon
I confirmed that you that Sony Ericsson has learned from its mistakes
next phones have bravia screen " xled " < " dynamic led "
With backlight control, BRAVIA X Series can produce rich dark tones
http://www.sony-mea.com/micro[....]echnologies/rgbdynamicled.html
Posted by back2you
1- Sony have best camera " Exmor R " for mobile < 16.41 mp and 8 mp with 1080p " full hd " , SonyEricsson used it on next phones Before all " Samsung , LG , NOKIA , HTC "
" SONY ERICSSON IS KING OF CAMERA MOBILE
"
2- SonyEricsson Have Z-System " PSphone "
" SONY ERICSSON IS KING OF GAMES MOBILE "
3- SONY HAVE S-LCD AND OLED , SONYERICSSON used it on next phones
" SONY ERICSSON HAVE GOOD SCREENS FOR NEXT PHONES
4- Ericsson have u8500 , SONY ERICSSON used it Before all " Samsung , LG , NOKIA , HTC "
" SONY ERICSSON HAVE U8500 < dualcore,High-resolution,streaming 3d..etc , SONY ERICSSON used it Before all " Samsung , LG , NOKIA , HTC "
U8500 lunch before july 2011
5- SONY have " Qriocity " streaming movies and tv shows coming to android
avilable only " US (English)GB (English)ES (espaņol)DE (Deutsch)FR (franįais)IT (Italiano) "
6- mybe PSN comnig to Android ..!
I and Sony Ericsson CEO we said 'Big Surprise' Coming
[ This Message was edited by: back2you on 2010-11-19 01:57 ]
Posted by pauvincent
As far as I'm concern, Bert know more than eldar or avmax this is his first promise if he fails then I won't belive him anymore but for now I would rather believe Bert than anybody here
[ This Message was edited by: pauvincent on 2010-11-19 01:07 ]
Posted by Bialynia
Let's stop the silliness, of course SE will have a real flagship phone in 2011, they always have 1 or 2 come out each year. We know the PSP phone is in advanced development, it will drop at some point in 2011. We also know that SE plans on releasing a top spec Android phone next year per the SE president. When they announced the X10 the mini, mini pro and x8 came out of the blue. SE is profitable again, they killed the x10 life cycle by not realizing what a stupid number moniker (1.6 as opposed to 2.1) would do to it press wise. Trust me, they have learned big time, I can tell simply by the fact that they have announced multi-touch for the x10 and I expect an announcement on 2.2 or 2.3 coming with the next UXP (they can't handle another avalanche of criticism about their flagship phone while they try to garner positive press for the one coming out). Anzu is nothing more then a placeholder the way the k810i was after the k800i was out for a bit.
[ This Message was edited by: Bialynia on 2010-11-19 02:33 ]
Posted by se_dude
OMG its Maximys, Finally. Dude, please throw some light into the current scenario. What about the OMAP 44xx hone SE was developing?
Posted by synn
On 2010-11-18 21:40:10, Eldar wrote:
Future of SE. Someone count SE money. Thats not a case. Company lost market share and this story will last long . Sad story. Vodafone decide to buy only half of 2010 volume to next year, almost the same situation about other carriers.
Maybe one of your godawesome sources forgot to pass you the memo where SE said on record that they are not chasing marketshare anymore. Funny, because a lot of us knew about it for more than a year now. As long as a company moves from losing money to making it, they are doing great. You may be able to fool some dumbasses with ominous statements like " Vodafone decide to buy only half of 2010 volume to next year", but don't take everyone to have two digit IQ scores. Care to elaborate upon that? What was the ratio of featurephone to smartphone last year? What would it be in 2011? Coz you know, a company could sell a fudgeton of featurephones and still make less money than they would selling a lesser number of smartphones. ALso, what was the average cost/ handset last year vis-a-vis that of next year?
...or do you only have specifics of Samsung?
On 2010-11-18 21:40:10, Eldar wrote:
About Russia. It was a really stupid comment that SE arent care about Russian market. If this people know SE better, they will know that russian market is the biggest in Europe (volume/price) and for SE it was number 2 in terms of value for 5 or 6 years. Bot in past 3 years, thats true. Due to stupid managment in SE Russia HQ
Still don't see what makes Russia special (When it comes to smartphones).
-It's not a first world economy that has a lot of early adopters with disposable income.
- It's not at the bleeding edge of technology like some Asian countries and of late; US.
- It's not the home of any manufacturer thereby fueling nationalistic sentiments into sales.
- Prices there (By which you "decide" the fate of many a handset) have no relevance to the rest of the world.
Nothing personal, just facts. I met the most awesome Muskovite girl three summers ago.
Posted by goldenface
ditto.
There is massive growth in smartphones atm. The ratio of SE's smartphones to feature phones has increased exponentially and the fact that they are making a profit means they are on the right track, although I don't think they themselves expected to get back to profitability until Q4.
Looking at the code names for the rumoured phones it strikes me that they are to bulk our their portfolio with a host of Android phones to tap into this amazing growth - a very smart move - and as long as they keep the hardware quality up and keep up to date with STABLE versions of Android then they can't really go wrong.
Posted by pauvincent
well at the end of all this, someones reputation will be tarnished
I hope in the end fans will come up winners
Posted by nikos_se
WELL,something that has got to to do with the naming of se future android smartphones....Dont u think that they should stop using the x-series for both high-end and mid-end???I mean there is a huge difference between xperia x8/xperia x10mini and xperia x10,both in hardware and software...So i believe that sony ericsson should invent another naming scheme for its mid-end solutions,something like xperia s-series,etc etc..Sony has being doing the same thing for its laptops,walkmans and bravias!
Posted by Phoner
Having listened through all the latest podcast from Eldar where he tells exactly how he has been presented with the SE lineup for H1 2011, I am convinced that Anzu with the specs we know from the preview is the SE flagship at least for the H1 2011. SE Russia, who has shown it to him, actually and honestly believes it is really great phone with even greater prospects for the future, because it has nice screen as well as implemented equalizer and multi touch.
[ This Message was edited by: Phoner on 2010-11-19 08:53 ]
Posted by io_bg
On 2010-11-19 09:29:15, nikos_se wrote:
WELL,something that has got to to do with the naming of se future android smartphones....Dont u think that they should stop using the x-series for both high-end and mid-end???I mean there is a huge difference between xperia x8/xperia x10mini and xperia x10,both in hardware and software...So i believe that sony ericsson should invent another naming scheme for its mid-end solutions,something like xperia s-series,etc etc..Sony has being doing the same thing for its laptops,walkmans and bravias!
I'd prefer "reviving" the older series such as the G one. The X8 could fit better in it IMO - a mid-low range touchscreen smartphone with wi-fi. The X series should only be for higher-end phones, like the X10 and Anzu.
[ This Message was edited by: io_bg on 2010-11-19 09:09 ]
Posted by bambarah
Eldar
What about a flip smartphone powered with Android ?
Posted by cableguy
This is what i currently understand to be SE's plan for Q1 and Q2 in 2011
Akane -> ?
Anzu -> X10 Update
Hallon -> Vivaz successor (Branded Walkman ?)
Iyokan ->Guess this is the name, but X10 mini pro upgrade (Branded Walkman ?)
Lychee ->Guess this is the name, but X10 mini upgrade (Branded Walkman ?)
Mango ->Guess this is the name, but Vivaz pro upgrade (Branded Walkman ?)
Mogami -> ?
Monika -> ?
Smultron -> ?
Zeus_256 -> PSP Phone
Y10 Zeus -> PSP Phone
SE wont have a "flagship" phone coming out in Q1 and Q2, just the Anzu which will be an updated X10
Posted by MrCash
On 2010-11-19 00:31:06, justus333 wrote:
Some of you are acting like children who dont want to realize the facts. Eldar might have been wrong at times but for years now he correctly described the developement of Sony///. Avmazfan is like Santa Claus who makes promises about christmas presents if all behaved well but actually doesnt have anything to back him up
You desperately want to believe, thatīs the problem but looking back at the last years thereīs nothing to believe, nothing to hope for.
A dying company where one wrong decision leads to another wrong decision. Even the so hoped for change with a new CEO hasnīt turned out to be good. Now they have nothing to announce and when they eventually do (according to Rog in January), itīs going to be gadgets that are one year behind their competitors!!!
Really sad but even sadder is the desperation of the fans here! That should make SOny/// realize what a great fan base they are losing!!
If you just think for a second , all of this doesn't make any sense , all phone manufactures should have at least 1 flagship phone in the year ,, if
doesn't have enough R&D , how did they make x10 ?? i think x10 was first smartphone announced with 1Ghz processor and 4 inch screen and all of this , then Desire , SGS .. and all I know that did pretty good in 2010 .. they actually started making money ..
Maybe
doesn't want anything to be leaked about their phone before the official announcement , in that case , showing Eldar the phone will be their biggest mistake , is seeking for money not for Eldar Satisfaction .. and all I know that is making money this year , so how their R&D had decreased ? its obvious that is not Committed to show Eldar every single detail ..
I don't say that Eldar is wrong , he told us everything he knows , I just say
doesn't have to tell him everything ..
Posted by Phoner
Also Maximus on semcblog has described Anzu as "the next Sony Ericsson flagship in Xperia series"
Sony Ericsson Anzu a X10′s successor
Posted by cableguy
The Anzu is just an update for the X10, (so it will be the flasgship phone (for a while).
But I believe it will be out in Q1 (SE mustnt be ready with dual core processors yet) and in Q3/Q4 there will be a proper flagship phone for SE which will be a proper Upgrade of the X12.
Posted by Lollylost100
The apps from SE that should be included on the final X12 look promising, especially Qriocity. If it has good enough support from Sony (good films) and if the prices are competitive then I see big future for it, especially with the improved X12 screen.
Posted by Dups!
@cableguy
I agree with you and have been saying the same thing, ie, the Anzu is just the X10 enhanced and not 2011 SE flagship. That I feel is still to come.
By the way, the X10 wasn't the first to use the snapdragon processor but the Toshiba TG something was.
I won't believe Eldar as he has proven time and again how unreliable he is. That, however, doesn't mean I don't have eyes to see where SE is going wrong. At the moment they are making profits which is the first step in their progress to success, market share will eventually follow when their products are good quality and competitive which in turn means more people will buy them.
Posted by Ricke77
On one of Eldars pictures you can se: HARDWARE: "Sony Ericsson Mogami".
Shouldnīt it say "Anzu"?? Or is Anzu and Mogami the same device?? Iīm confused...
Posted by HxH
Ehh! Vivaz still going to have next update?
Did
already dumped Symbian why still have update?
I shouldn't care
for now, can't stand what they did with SATIO unlike X10 that get all the way goods.
True different story, really disappointed for me!
p.s. I hope it will recovery sometime or as soon as I ditch my SATIO away!
Posted by Phoner
@HxH Read carefully, they look similar to Vivaz/Vivaz Pro but run on Android.
[ This Message was edited by: Phoner on 2010-11-19 12:13 ]
Posted by cableguy
On 2010-11-19 10:22:26, cableguy wrote:
This is what i currently understand to be SE's plan for Q1 and Q2 in 2011
Akane -> ?
Anzu -> X10 Update
Hallon -> Vivaz successor (Android SW, Branded Walkman ?)
Iyokan ->Guess this is the name, but X10 mini pro upgrade (Branded Walkman ?)
Lychee ->Guess this is the name, but X10 mini upgrade (Branded Walkman ?)
Mango ->Guess this is the name, but Vivaz pro upgrade (Android SW, Branded Walkman ?)
Mogami -> ?
Monika -> ?
Smultron -> ?
Zeus_256 -> PSP Phone
Y10 Zeus -> PSP Phone
SE wont have a "flagship" phone coming out in Q1 and Q2, just the Anzu which will be an updated X10
Posted by Phoner
Anzu will be their flagship.
Posted by tranced
The word should be successor.
On 2010-11-19 13:10:28, HxH wrote:
Ehh! Vivaz still going to have next update?
Did
already dumped Symbian why still have update?
Posted by yuunanase
Despite rumours, Sony Ericsson not committed to Windows phone 7 yet
Thank god no WinMo 7
Posted by Platia1
It's good that they are bringing features of their old Sony Ericsson phones back to the new models, for a long time an Equaliser was a large reason I didn't buy an X10 (although it isn't as important now)
Posted by HxH
Nah, Shame on me
Posted by Dups!
On 2010-11-19 15:58:11, yuunanase wrote:
Despite rumours, Sony Ericsson not committed to Windows phone 7 yet
Thank god no WinMo 7
Don't get too excited, this only means they are still negotiating with Microsoft regarding certain elements of the OS. Also, I wouldn't take a word from one party of SE's to conclude that they won't be releasing any Windows phone.
They are likely to release a Windows phone next year even with those restrictions they are complaining about. I just wonder what is it they want from Microsoft regarding the OS.
Posted by jjjajjj
They want their own skin
on top the wm7 UI .
Posted by doministry
On 2010-11-19 15:58:11, yuunanase wrote:
Despite rumours, Sony Ericsson not committed to Windows phone 7 yet
Thank god no WinMo 7
You're wrong.
WP7 will be awesome soon.
They should cover this OS!!!!
BTW it was not "rumours" but official anouncement.
So it's crap info.
Posted by jjjajjj
On 2010-11-19 17:23:06, doministry wrote:
On 2010-11-19 15:58:11, yuunanase wrote:
Despite rumours, Sony Ericsson not committed to Windows phone 7 yet
Thank god no WinMo 7
You're wrong.
WP7 will be awesome soon.
They should cover this OS!!!!
BTW it was not "rumours" but official anouncement.
So it's crap info.
SOON.....but not now
I think they should focus on Android at this point.
Posted by pauvincent
can anyone share any info on WHEN will
announce anything? Its sooooo loooong sure may be at the end of this year but any chance anything would be announced this month?and what happen to gingerbread announcement? 
[ This Message was edited by: pauvincent on 2010-11-19 17:00 ]
Posted by kewsvnet
On 2010-11-19 17:23:06, doministry wrote:
On 2010-11-19 15:58:11, yuunanase wrote:
Despite rumours, Sony Ericsson not committed to Windows phone 7 yet
Thank god no WinMo 7
You're wrong.
WP7 will be awesome soon.
They should cover this OS!!!!
BTW it was not "rumours" but official anouncement.
So it's crap info.
sorry i don't know..but i am just not seeing what all the excitement about WP7 is.....what extra benefits does it offer that is not already there from iOS or Android!! So far from what I can tell it has some of the same restrictions as iOS such as:
no bluetooth file sharing
no system wide file manager
no usb mass storage
...jus to name a few
and at the moment it doesnt even have that many apps on it!!
which is pretty much the reason why I prefer android its a lot more open in all these regards....but could someone please list out what makes WP7 really worth considering??? cheers!!!!
Posted by Lollylost100
Oh, forgot to mention. Anzu also has the (Micro)USB On-The-Go feature.
USB On-The-Go:
"USB On-The-Go, often abbreviated USB OTG, is part of a supplement to the USB 2.0 specification originally agreed upon in late 2001 and later revised. The specification allows for devices that generally fulfill the role of being a slave USB device (which might be, e. g. digital audio player or mobile phone) to a USB host (usually a desktop or notebook computer) to become the host themselves when paired with another USB device."
Posted by se_dude
@lolly-What else is there?
Posted by Lollylost100
Nothing apart from Noise Suppression.
Posted by back2you
from Eldar Anzu
from XperiaX10.NET Anzu
Ore different device ..!
[ This Message was edited by: back2you on 2010-11-19 20:09 ]
Posted by Domecot
Is it me or is there anything different than the finish of the back piece plastic?