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Posted by ^^HAMID^^

On 2010-11-12 14:39:55, murderjon wrote:
The Samsung above is a FAKE!!

Check this: http://www.androidpolice.com/[....]ce-renders-are-fake-heres-why/

5 post ago avmax mentioned it ...


Posted by pauvincent
@avmax

is it true x12 won't have that 16.4 mp exmor R camera?

Posted by doministry
Guys, your'e not serious about this 16Mpx camera hype here....
Completely senseless on mobile.

Posted by Lollylost100

On 2010-11-12 16:59:35, pauvincent wrote:
@avmax

is it true x12 won't have that 16.4 mp exmor R camera?


Is it so hard to read?

On 2010-11-12 11:54:29, rog wrote:
No. It's in some people's phantasy.

[ This Message was edited by: Lollylost100 on 2010-11-12 16:14 ]


Posted by pauvincent

On 2010-11-12 17:13:28, Lollylost100 wrote:

On 2010-11-12 16:59:35, pauvincent wrote:
@avmax

is it true x12 won't have that 16.4 mp exmor R camera?


Is it so hard to read?

On 2010-11-12 11:54:29, rog wrote:
No. It's in some people's phantasy.

[ This Message was edited by: Lollylost100 on 2010-11-12 16:14 ]



I'm just asking

Posted by emuneee
There is going to be some intense competition Q1 2011 in the high end Android segment. The X12 doesn't really look to be much better than anything that is "rumored" to be announced, which is why they need to be one of the first to market. I remember when the X10 was announced, it was near the top spec-wise, but when it was released, it was lost in a market of similarly equipped handsets running newer software. I hope that doesn't happen this time.
[ This Message was edited by: emuneee on 2010-11-12 16:26 ]


Posted by tai020381
5mp exmor R sensor which produces damn good photos will be very good already ^^, plus a very speedy and smooth processing and no hanging, specs matches current android phones with damn reasonable price will sell like everyday's toilet business ^^

Posted by Ricke77
Megapixels is not all in a camera. I would worry more of the optics. Everything above 5-6 megapixels is not visible on a ordinary computerscreen unless you wanna make a big poster of it!!

Posted by CELL-P

On 2010-11-12 17:11:14, doministry wrote:
Guys, your'e not serious about this 16Mpx camera hype here....
Completely senseless on mobile.


It is not about making sense or not and S006 already has it, it is about giving us Sony's latest technology instead of always giving us inferior crappy hardware.

Posted by MNX1024

On 2010-11-12 18:13:00, Ricke77 wrote:
Everything above 5-6 megapixels is not visible on a ordinary computerscreen unless you wanna make a big poster of it!!


Don't know what you're talking about. I can still see all the noise from my pictures that was taken from my DSLR on my monitor. But, of course, I have a 27" monitor running at a 1920 x 1200 resolution.

Posted by zub

On 2010-11-13 01:07:43, MNX1024 wrote:

On 2010-11-12 18:13:00, Ricke77 wrote:
Everything above 5-6 megapixels is not visible on a ordinary computerscreen unless you wanna make a big poster of it!!


Don't know what you're talking about. I can still see all the noise from my pictures that was taken from my DSLR on my monitor. But, of course, I have a 27" monitor running at a 1920 x 1200 resolution.


More pixels wont mean you get less noise thats completely different. i really feel sorry for people who actually think more megapixels on my camera will get me better pics. i have seen 2mp cameras outshine 5mp cameras in picture quality many times.
[ This Message was edited by: zub on 2010-11-13 01:31 ]


Posted by MNX1024

On 2010-11-13 02:30:28, zub wrote:

On 2010-11-13 01:07:43, MNX1024 wrote:

On 2010-11-12 18:13:00, Ricke77 wrote:
Everything above 5-6 megapixels is not visible on a ordinary computerscreen unless you wanna make a big poster of it!!


Don't know what you're talking about. I can still see all the noise from my pictures that was taken from my DSLR on my monitor. But, of course, I have a 27" monitor running at a 1920 x 1200 resolution.


More pixels wont mean you get less noise thats completely different. i really feel sorry for people who actually think more megapixels on my camera will get me better pics. i have seen 2mp cameras outshine 5mp cameras in picture quality many times.
[ This Message was edited by: zub on 2010-11-13 01:31 ]



Do hope that message is not directed towards me and you got my sarcasm. One more thing, I wasn't talking about the picture quality.
[ This Message was edited by: MNX1024 on 2010-11-13 02:29 ]


Posted by avmaxfan
Ok first of all what makes this new 16.4 mp sensor any different than any other that Sony has released that people seem to suggest that it will NOT be used by SE ?
Last year when Sony released the 12mp sensor, I guess after three or four months the Satio came out with that new sensor. And the same shall be the case with this new 16.4mp sensor. There will be atleast one model with this sensor in the first half of 2011 and later more models might have this sensor.

Now coming to the Anzu, I mentioned earlier that I recieved an update that the Anzu may be getting the 16.4 mp sensor with Xenon Flash.This is the last info I have received about the Anzu.
So the Anzu might have the 16.4 mp EXMOR R sensor. MIGHT is the keyword here

Anyways now on to the bad news. Apparently Gingerbread is delayed and so is the Nexus S . I guess that could mean delay in announcement or perhaps an announcement at CES 2011 :cryl

Just hope this does not happen

Posted by synn
How exactly does one change camera modules halfway through the development cycle? Different modules have different physical dimensions and to fit a bigger module in after the design is frozen and protos are made, a near complete redesign is required.

I'm not saying it's impossible, just improbable.

Posted by avmaxfan

On 2010-11-13 06:36:43, synn wrote:
How exactly does one change camera modules halfway through the development cycle? Different modules have different physical dimensions and to fit a bigger module in after the design is frozen and protos are made, a near complete redesign is required.

I'm not saying it's impossible, just improbable.


Yup but did u check the size of the 16.4 mp module? Its almost the same (infact a little smaller) than the 12 mp module Sony has .
And also the sensor is made for 1080p 30 fps video recording.
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-11-13 06:29 ]


Posted by ron.jeremy
It's a bit sad that people jump the wagon when an unknown caracter comes in an tell you what you want to hear.
Yet, Rog, a reliable well known insider, uses a few quiet word, your still not listening.
I'm not getting it.
And i'm still hearing the noise from this "insider", funny or just plain old sad?
There is no 16 megapxl devices from SE anytime soon, the X10 succesor have an 12 megapxl shooter by the sound of it, and that is hopefully a good sensor, which hopefully can compete with the sensor of N8.
But going by the looks and size, i'm not holding my breath.
And surely, it's not going to be changed to another sensor, this late in development, this would set back the entire project months, and SE just doesn't have alot of time on theyr hands these days.
Not since K750 days imo.




Posted by avmaxfan

On 2010-11-13 08:31:44, ron.jeremy wrote:
It's a bit sad that people jump the wagon when an unknown caracter comes in an tell you what you want to hear.
Yet, Rog, a reliable well known insider, uses a few quiet word, your still not listening.
I'm not getting it.
And i'm still hearing the noise from this "insider", funny or just plain old sad?
There is no 16 megapxl devices from SE anytime soon, the X10 succesor have an 12 megapxl shooter by the sound of it, and that is hopefully a good sensor, which hopefully can compete with the sensor of N8.
But going by the looks and size, i'm not holding my breath.
And surely, it's not going to be changed to another sensor, this late in development, this would set back the entire project months, and SE just doesn't have alot of time on theyr hands these days.
Not since K750 days imo.



Yup sure. But do keep in mind that it was this very unknown character that came in and posted here that the X10 successor will do 1080p video recording,have a dual core processor, etc. A lot of people warned not to believe me and that all this was "not going to happen" and that the specs were "imaginary" and it was all fake.
What happened now? Anzu leaked with 1080p video recording, dual core processor, OLED screen

I sure am not a "lucky" guy to have just "guessed" or "predicted" that the X12 will have these specs. And nor does that make sense, does it?

If I was proved wrong and all the specs I had mentioned did not match, then sure you would have all rights to flame me or whatever. But since that has NOT happened, I don't think its "sad" for people to be believing me. Again I am not forcing anyone to believe in me or the specs I mentioned. I did not force anyone to believe in 1080p video recording, but now all do believe right?
If anyone feels that I am just posting bullshit here, then prove that I what I am saying is bullshit rather than just posting comments. Show all the members here proof as to what makes you think my info is wrong. I would appreciate that.

Posted by rog

On 2010-09-09 14:06:30, avmaxfan wrote:
2 powerful high end smartphones will be launched soon by

One will be the successor to Xperia X10 (Android device with 3.0 Gingerbread and 1.2/1.5ghz processor)
and the other one will be the Xperia X2 successor (Windows Phone 7 Device with 1.2ghz Qualcomm processor )

....

Both the devices will be out by the end of the year.



On 2010-09-12 11:22:55, avmaxfan wrote:
Yea the PSP Phone is just a rumor unfortunately. Its not likely that SONY will let use the playstation brand.
Anyways I stand by what I posted earlier....



On 2010-09-10 07:00:02, avmaxfan wrote:
Nope sorry by out I meant they will be "released" in the market by the end of this year around Christmas time.

The two devices (maybe more than two) will be announced in the coming weeks by
...


Just three examples. The problem is that you claimed a lot in the past, added a 'might' here and there, then you got some 'updates' that changed your former statements, etc. If you don't know, just STATE that. Pretending to know by adding 'it might have 16MP' makes you as reliable as flipping a coin on things. Sometimes, less is more, and since you claim that you love SE, maybe you should apply that pattern from time to time... And at the very end of the day, only time (= official released facts from SE) will tell how much anyone of us 'knows', right? On the other hand, as I mentioned earlier on, it is entertaining to read, and I guess it is a very old fact that people like to be entertained. Matter of personal taste.
[ This Message was edited by: rog on 2010-11-13 09:25 ]


Posted by avmaxfan

On 2010-11-13 10:21:43, rog wrote:

On 2010-09-09 14:06:30, avmaxfan wrote:
2 powerful high end smartphones will be launched soon by

One will be the successor to Xperia X10 (Android device with 3.0 Gingerbread and 1.2/1.5ghz processor)
and the other one will be the Xperia X2 successor (Windows Phone 7 Device with 1.2ghz Qualcomm processor )

....

Both the devices will be out by the end of the year.



On 2010-09-12 11:22:55, avmaxfan wrote:
Yea the PSP Phone is just a rumor unfortunately. Its not likely that SONY will let use the playstation brand.
Anyways I stand by what I posted earlier....



On 2010-09-10 07:00:02, avmaxfan wrote:
Nope sorry by out I meant they will be "released" in the market by the end of this year around Christmas time.

The two devices (maybe more than two) will be announced in the coming weeks by
...


Just three examples. The problem is that you claimed a lot in the past, added a 'might' here and there, then you got some 'updates' that changed your former statements, etc. If you don't know, just STATE that. Pretending to know by adding 'it might have 16MP' makes you as reliable as flipping a coin on things. Sometimes, less is more, and since you claim that you love SE, maybe you should apply that pattern from time to time... And at the very end of the day, only time (= official released facts from SE) will tell how much anyone of us 'knows', right? On the other hand, as I mentioned earlier on, it is entertaining to read, and I guess it is a very old fact that people like to be entertained. Matter of personal taste.
[ This Message was edited by: rog on 2010-11-13 09:25 ]




First of all, I did mention that both the devices were planned to be launched around christmas time. And later after the decision had changed I did mention it here that it will be available Q1 next year didn't I ?

No insider can give you 100% accurate info. Even the guy who leaked the pics of Anzu has an early prototype in his hands and not the actual final product.

There were many products that were supposed to be out, a lot of them even leaked and then got canceled. Does that mean you stop believing the sources ?
Look at Eldar, he gives out insider info but he is not right all the time, nor is he wrong all the time.

I mean I really do not understand. Its not like I am out here fooling people or making them dream of something that will never come true. So why all the flak ?

Anyways I am not going to reply to any such posts in the future, I posted the info on X12 only to share it with esato members and discuss about it. Not to recieve flak and be flamed by people.
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-11-13 09:42 ]


Posted by CELL-P
Relax guys, the next announcement will determine everything. At least avmaxfan has given some life to this dead thread. And whether you believe him or not, it is up to you.



Posted by rog
@ avmaxfan: mostly agreed
@CELL-P: fully agreed

Let's move on.
[ This Message was edited by: rog on 2010-11-13 10:12 ]


Posted by pauvincent
anyways thats why this is rumors forum right? hoping for the best and when announcement day comes more rights and less wrongs will come out in terms of the predicted specs chill
[ This Message was edited by: pauvincent on 2010-11-13 11:04 ]


Posted by Legen
don't get why people are going afta avmaxfan. he's providing info at least. which i don't see the "well known" insiders doing. think some people are just don't wana share the limelight. if the guy is wrong prove it. give us your "insider" info
and even if he's guessing, the guesses are awesome.

Posted by pauvincent

On 2010-11-13 12:04:31, Legen wrote:
don't get why people are going afta avmaxfan. he's providing info at least. which i don't see the "well known" insiders doing. think some people are just don't wana share the limelight. if the guy is wrong prove it. give us your "insider" info
and even if he's guessing, the guesses are awesome.



+1

Posted by io_bg

On 2010-11-13 12:10:18, pauvincent wrote:

On 2010-11-13 12:04:31, Legen wrote: ...



+1

+2!

Posted by dancingfate
I believe avmaxfan.
And if changes happened to announcement, release date, etc. that's not his mistake, maybe SE has another plan.


Posted by avmaxfan
@Rog Thanks

@All

Ok guys back to the topic again. A bad news actually

Apparently Gingerbread is not "optimized" for dual core processors, Honeycomb is and that will come around Q2 next year.
Hope don't delay honeycomb update for Anzu

Posted by drinki
My dear friends,

avmaxfan reminds me a lot of another poster whose name I will not mention. What he actually does, is gather all the info/rumors from blogosphere and throws in some of his spices..and voila, we have an insider. Not hard to predict what processor/screen/camera module SE or the whole mobile industry will be using, you just have follow the trends and remain updated..oh well, just my 2 cents.

Posted by smclion102

On 2010-11-13 12:11:37, io_bg wrote:

On 2010-11-13 12:10:18, pauvincent wrote:

On 2010-11-13 12:04:31, Legen wrote: ...



+1

+2!


+ 3 Avmaxfan

Posted by smclion102
Android 2.3 Gingerbread could launch any day now
Google Mobile just solidified this fact. According to a recent tweet, @GoogleMobile had this to say, “Our cafes are baking something sweet.”



Posted by avmaxfan
Hope Gingerbread is out soon

Posted by pauvincent

On 2010-11-13 12:52:55, smclion102 wrote:
Android 2.3 Gingerbread could launch any day now
Google Mobile just solidified this fact. According to a recent tweet, @GoogleMobile had this to say, “Our cafes are baking something sweet.”




i like to take a bit out of gingerbread

Posted by Vipera ammodytes

On 2010-11-13 12:42:21, drinki wrote:
My dear friends,

avmaxfan reminds me a lot of another poster whose name I will not mention. What he actually does, is gather all the info/rumors from blogosphere and throws in some of his spices..and voila, we have an insider. Not hard to predict what processor/screen/camera module SE or the whole mobile industry will be using, you just have follow the trends and remain updated..oh well, just my 2 cents.



True.

Period

Posted by domipost
This place used to be a great place to discuss some new phones and get new info now and then. Now it turned in a pathetic discussion about who's right and who's not. I think in the last few pages there has been a couple of times te same discussion and nothing more, namely:

someone: "I think avmaxfan is just a liar"

avmaxfan: "No, I'm not, as you can see i told you this and it appears to be the right thing"

another person: "No, you did not. As you can see from this quotes there is some false info you stated"

avmaxfan: "True, you can't know everything, can you?[/b]

a few other persons: "I believe avmaxfan"

Realy interesting read, isn't it? Well, after the 5th time you read it, it shure is

With all due respect to avmaxfan and everyone who does post some usefull stuff, but I think I should stop checking this tread at all......

Posted by bambarah
If Gingerbread would lanch now

the X12 would be 2.2

never make risks , thats why is late

Posted by hihihans
Would it really make that much of a difference? 2.2 2.3 or even 3.0
Newer is not always better. Vista was worse as XP

Posted by goldenface
I agree with Rog, Lets not forget that this is a 'rumours' thread - a place where we discuss phones and accessories before they are officially announced, so most information volunteered is just rumour and speculation - no-one is right or wrong until the phones are actually announced.

Regarding Gingerbread, I'm not really bothered which version of 2.XX the upcoming phones have long as the hardware is future proof and the software is stable.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-11-13 18:20 ]


Posted by tyko
So whats the deal with gingerbread. Wasnt the reason why LG delayed their surf plates because froyo wasnt optimized for dual cores not gingerbread?

Posted by lxAMNxl

SEfreakFan: @eldarmurtazin So is it true that X12 has a 16.4 mp camera ?
Eldar: @SEfreakFan false. 8 mpx


So there goes the 12mp and 16.4mp rumor

Posted by sunrise_
Fake?
http://www.xperiax10.net/2010[....]indows-phone-7-handsets-outed/
[ This Message was edited by: sunrise_ on 2010-11-13 22:08 ]


Posted by admad
Has to be. I wouldn't forgive SE for making it's first optical zoom phone with shitty WP7. It's like putting 400HP engine into smart

Posted by Mizzou
Xperia X7 and Xperia X7 mini with windws phone 7




http://www.xperiax10.net/2010[....]ne-7-handsets-outed/#more-1769

Posted by tranced
Agreed. I once thought of a XP7 phone. Not X7 as they mention in the blog though.

Quote:
It is also a bit
strange that the younger
sibling would have the
better imaging abilities, not
something SE has done in
the past.



Posted by rog

On 2010-11-13 22:08:04, lxAMNxl wrote:

SEfreakFan: @eldarmurtazin So is it true that X12 has a 16.4 mp camera ?
Eldar: @SEfreakFan false. 8 mpx


So there goes the 12mp and 16.4mp rumor


Get out of here... Sorry... but since we are talking about rumors (and someone asked about it earlier): there won't be a dual core CPU either.

Posted by lxAMNxl
@rog
Awww lol. Oh wow, so no 12/16.4mp camera nor dual-core CPU, what's next? lol. So it's pretty much another failure for SE?
OT, but the HTC Incredible HD is looking better by the minute then lol, even the Motorola T2

Posted by Mizzou
@lxAMNxl

what failure SE? this is success for SE, 2 new phones with OS WP7... still be notified of new Android phones, and can 12/16.4mp camera

Posted by rss_ndrsn
^lol....maybe we would hear next that X12 does not support multi-touch. Where is the device that SE CEO is talking about? Anyway, I got my IPhone 4 already, so I will not be looking for another device to replace it yet. Beside, it is the best all-around device at the moment.

Posted by Lollylost100
FAKE!

'Noise cancellation headphones budled' instead of bundled. Very good fake though, I must admit.

Posted by bodeh6
Plus why would the X7 Mini have a better camera then X7 (10.1 MP Optical zoom vs 8.1MP no zoom).?

Fake haha.

Posted by pauvincent
man i'm starting to not like x12


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