Posted by HxH
Hey! Samsung will have Omnia 7 which is coming soon HTC Mozart / Mondrain something like that too
XPERIA X7 seem lower one because coming of X8 soon!
So XPERIA X12 is Andriod,
should double them up XPERIA X14 
Posted by DarkKrypt
1[]14MP Altek Leo to hit it off in Europe in an Android outfit
It's a good day for cameraphone lovers. First the N8 starts shipping and now Altek announce that their 14MP optical zoom enabled Android smartphone will hit Europe. And its bringing HD recording too, so it might just be what a lot of people were waiting for.
Altek Leo is the first smartphone to offer a 14MP camera with 3x optical zoom and HD video recording. There are also a xenon flash and a LED video light on board, which makes the handset a must for everyone hoping to leave their digicam at home in favor of their cell phone.
The rest of the Leo specs sheet also looks really impressive. The handset comes with a 3.2-inch WVGA multi-touch display and runs Android 2.1 (Eclair). Connectivity is taken care for by Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS, as well as full range of network data transfer options (GSM/GPRS/EDGE and 3G with HSPA). Built-in accelerometer, digital compass a microSD card slot complete the list of the Altek Leo extras.
The Altek Leo will hit European shelves in Q1 of 2011 but its pricing is still unknown.
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oh and
[2]
Panasonic teases with its 13MP Lumix phone
So, it's back to the megapixel race then. After Altek announced their 14MP Leo yesterday, it's now turn for Panasonic to get higher on the megapixel ladder. The company has just set-up a teaser site for their Lumix phone, which should be announced officially on Tuesday.
Panasonic has been generous enough to reveal a few of the specs in advance so we know what to expect. First it's the 13 megapixel snapper, which we hope will live up to the Lumix digicams standards. There's also HD video and a high-intensity video light (we have our fingers crossed on a xenon flash too).
The Lumix phone will pack a 3.3" WVGA screen in a body measuring 116 x 52 x 17mm and weighing 146 grams. The final mentioned specs include Wi-Fi and a microSD card slot.
Now with that kind of thickness and the fact that the handset is going to be announced at the CEATEC in Japan (on the 5th of October) we are suspecting that it won't see much GSM love. We are certainly hoping to be proven wrong and the Lumix phone to get worldwide availability. Could the chubbiness be a result of optical zoom lens, rather than clamshell form factor?
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So..it can be done..with android and any other platform id just like a good to great xenon flash on an
Posted by NightBlade
Cameraphones? More like phonecameras.
Still, nice to see some aggravating competition (even if it isn't coming from the big players).
Posted by DarkKrypt
indeed Nightblade
competition is always good. makes the world go round.
But i have a question for you and everyone who loves taking photos.
define cameraphone
define phonecamera.
what these two mean to you(anyone can answer this) and how are they different to you
[ This Message was edited by: DarkKrypt on 2010-10-02 00:32 ]
Posted by S4k1s
That altek reminds me of a concept I did a few years ago lol
Posted by avmaxfan
Cameraphone - A Phone that has an integrated camera that can be used to take pictures at times when you don't have your digital camera with you
Phonecamera - Basically more of a digital camera than a phone, that can completely replace your digital camera and can also make and receive calls if and when required
Posted by goldenface
@S4k1s
Not a bad little concept. Almost a prediction of things to come.
Posted by Dups!
So the 15th of this month is the financial report, should be interesting.
I, personally, am looking forward to Q1 next year in particular cause I see that as a bad drop in sales and in turn profits.
Posted by goldenface
Why are you looking forward to seeing that?
Posted by tranced
You want to see how bad will it be for them after this comeback they had thanks to the x10's?
Posted by avmaxfan
Naah.... I think the numbers will only rise for
. I expect a higher profit than Q2 thanks to the good reception to the new phones such as the Zylo, X10 mini pro etc.
Also hazel and elm have been doing well too.
Posted by Dups!
@goldenface
No, I'm not looking forward to see them do badly but am worried or concerned that they have their strategy all wrong for the rest of the year. I've already mentioned a few months ago that their current 'limited' portfolio is enough to sustain them financially till this quarter. I feel they should've had an interesting mix of phones ready for release this quarter so as to prepare for the next year, that actually goes for every fourth quarter. They knew they were not in a healthy position and I fear they failed to plan accordingly. I hope they prove me wrong which would be fantastic and would mean better products and a larger portfolio.
@tranced
I suppose the above answers your question as well. I love this brand even though it pisses me off quite often. The first time I got me a non-SE phone was in 2008, a Motorola V8 which I still use even today as my secondary phone while my favourite phone of all time- the P1i- remains my primary. This year I got me the Blackberry Bold 9700 which lasted me two weeks. Right now it is in its box in the closet gathering dust. I still have my P910i in its box as well in excellent working condition. I recently gave my W890i to my daughter.
What I'm getting at is I really find it hard trying to use other brands because the experience is like torture. The V8 benefitted because it has the best call quality of any phone, that it is beautifull crafted and thin is a bonus but it is a pain to use hence I use it mostly for calls and occasional texts. SE's user experience is second to none IMO that is why I'm hoping they bring out the ultimate smartphone that brings me back home, they are due one since their last great smartphone that is the P1i according to me. It's been a long time and I also miss the old SE magic but if they keep messing up I will crap on them and stay away for another two years
@avmaxfan
This whole year I expect only profits from SE, they've doneextremely well to come from their worst period ever. Q1, 2011 is where I see diminished profits.
Posted by goldenface
Well the X8 should do well for the right price and it looks like it should be a profitable phone for them for the festive season.
Normally the big summer announcements are shipping around this time however, there have been no 'hero phone' launches this summer so it's down to the low and mid end phones to sell lots over the holiday season I suspect.
I feel that SE are still in transition and it won't be till next year that we'll begin to see the types of devices that we really want to get our paws. The rumoured X12 / SO-01C is rumoured to begin shipping early - mid January.
I read somewhere that the new blood at the top of SE is putting a stop to the strategy of many months between announcement and shipping - a strategy that has never made any sense whatsoever. They acted like they were worried about information leaking out about upcoming phones but by the time any announced phones began shipping the competition was already catching up.
Posted by doministry
On 2010-10-05 09:25:59, Dups! wrote:
@goldenface
No, I'm not looking forward to see them do badly but am worried or concerned that they have their strategy all wrong for the rest of the year. I've already mentioned a few months ago that their current 'limited' portfolio is enough to sustain them financially till this quarter. I feel they should've had an interesting mix of phones ready for release this quarter so as to prepare for the next year, that actually goes for every fourth quarter. They knew they were not in a healthy position and I fear they failed to plan accordingly. I hope they prove me wrong which would be fantastic and would mean better products and a larger portfolio.
@tranced
I suppose the above answers your question as well. I love this brand even though it pisses me off quite often. The first time I got me a non-SE phone was in 2008, a Motorola V8 which I still use even today as my secondary phone while my favourite phone of all time- the P1i- remains my primary. This year I got me the Blackberry Bold 9700 which lasted me two weeks. Right now it is in its box in the closet gathering dust. I still have my P910i in its box as well in excellent working condition. I recently gave my W890i to my daughter.
What I'm getting at is I really find it hard trying to use other brands because the experience is like torture. The V8 benefitted because it has the best call quality of any phone, that it is beautifull crafted and thin is a bonus but it is a pain to use hence I use it mostly for calls and occasional texts. SE's user experience is second to none IMO that is why I'm hoping they bring out the ultimate smartphone that brings me back home, they are due one since their last great smartphone that is the P1i according to me. It's been a long time and I also miss the old SE magic but if they keep messing up I will crap on them and stay away for another two years
@avmaxfan
This whole year I expect only profits from SE, they've doneextremely well to come from their worst period ever. Q1, 2011 is where I see diminished profits.
I would honestly add X1, it was really impressive.
Posted by Dups!
@goldenface
Yes, I'm with you on the X8 doing well, the question is how good is it for the bottom line considering it is very cheap? I would've liked to see two decent mid-end phones to complement the X8. Imagine an 8 mp Walkman the size of the Vivaz and maybe something else to sustain the wonderful momentum.
I agree that next year we are in for some serious high-ends which I am hoping one (Android) will be my next phone.
If it is true that they are trying to cut down on their announcement to release schedule then it is about time, the mobile phone industry has evolved drastically over the years and they need to keep up.
One thing I'm happy about is Bert at the helm. Dick started the turnaround and it needed an experienced successor,someone with sound knowledge of the cellphone market and they that man in Bert. They need to sort out their software engineers cause they are not quite there yet. To be fair though, the overall improvements are commendable, better build quality being the most notable. Software engineering and management are better than before but need to be on par or even better with/than the best.
@doministry
That phone was spectacular on announcement but took too long to release. I've never tried it but I feel HTC screwed SE over in a number of areas based on reviews. Build quality and the sofware were deliberately messed up by the Taiwanese company only for them to come up with a better X1 in the Touch Pro. They did the same to Google on the Nexus One. Other than that I would've given it the nod. As time progresses and SE gets to use and play with Windows they will gain the necessary experience and know-how to handle it with success as they seem to have done a better job optimizing their last greenheart windows phone.
[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2010-10-05 11:38 ]
Posted by goldenface
To me, I see the X8 as having most of its development already done with the X10 Mini and the X10 so it doesn't look like a phone that required huge initial outlay, like the X10 would have. So the margins on the X8 will be quite large, even though the phone itself will retail for not a lot of money.
I agree that their software engineers need to step up a gear, I can't be fun for SE watching other manufacturers leaping ahead with their Android versions and being criticised so much, as they have been recently. They need to get some good phones out and quickly.
Posted by DarkKrypt
On 2010-10-02 08:20:41, avmaxfan wrote:
Cameraphone - A Phone that has an integrated camera that can be used to take pictures at times when you don't have your digital camera with you
Phonecamera - Basically more of a digital camera than a phone, that can completely replace your digital camera and can also make and receive calls if and when required
^lol more less thee same definition for me:)
Posted by ScoreP
Gizmodo is reporting that Panasonic showed their 13mp lumix phone but is well ugly. So I'll still be using my satio for awhile unless SE X12 appears by magic.
Posted by mediar
A bit offtopic, but is it true that Android 3.0 will put the end to the custom UIs like HTC Sense, SE UX and so on?
Posted by Dups!
What I know thus far is that certain elements of Gingerbread WILL NOT be 'customizable' meaning that the UX and/or Sense will be scaled down. This is apparently to stop the OS's fragmentation from continuing further.
Posted by badassmam
^
With WP7, HTC have put their own HUB and its massively different to the OS itself so with Gingerbread I would imagine that
could just make loads of their own widgets that you could use to cover up the standard stuff. The best thing is that you'll find an App that will replace the stock stuff anyway so theres no need to worry. WP7 is incredibly limited in terms of customization though . Having played with WP7, I don't think I could use it everyday not thats its not capable but I like phones with grids and lists that are quick access. WP7 is not really right for a simple person like myself.
The PSPhone makes an excellent portable media device. The games graphics look great but I fear that it will have very few games and may end up like the NGage. It really needs strong support and big titles like Gran Turismo or Final Fantasy as well as online games for it to do well. I would say that serious gamers will be disappointed but I can't go into that. However, if you can get a PS1 or PS2 (long shot) emulator going then its a sweet deal. The announcement for this is meant to be quite some time away as the games platform needs some major building.
Posted by wiraperkasa
@badassman
So you have seen the psp phone.how ia the design?do you like it?
Posted by Dups!
Well, well, well.
Just when I had given up on any of my preferred manufacturers revealing a P1i-esque Android phone Motorola gives me precisely what I've been desperately looking for in the Droid Pro. I had actually given up on that form factor and was ready to buy a full touch screen phone but no more.
I just hope it will be available worldwide instead of the US only.
Unless SE brings something like this at similar specs or better I am not getting an SE phone as my next phone even if their next phone is a super phone. I just need that physical QWERTY keypad plus touch UI and I'm willing to sacrifice a lot just for those two.
[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2010-10-06 13:08 ]
Posted by goldenface
Google TV to link with Android Smartphones
A sign of things to come?
Posted by smclion102
Sony outs world's first 16.41 megapixel cellphone sensor
2011 Q2
will launch worlds 1st 16.4 mp Phone
16.41 megapixel
Sony Corporation FOR MORE DETAILED INFO
Posted by jjjajjj
SONY reached 16.41MP Exmor R cellphone sensor, capable of shooting 1080p at 30fps or 720p at 60fps.
Expect it to begin sampling in January 2011
http://www.engadget.com/2010/[....]megapixel-cmos-sensor-for-mob/
GOOD job SONY GOOD job
Posted by Ricky D
^^ This looks tasty, I'd guess we'll see this in handsets by the end of 2011.
Posted by Ricky D
Does anyone with info know if the X12 will get a front facing camera? I'm going to bet that Google Talk app will get the video calling options over IP before long and if not then the Skype for android app will get it (or both) and having convinced people close to me to get webcams and mics on their PCs video calling is finally worthwhile for me. I've only had my X10 for 6 months and a couple days (and I'm not at all disappointed by it) but I'd trade it in tomorrow for a 1.5GHz Android shooter oriented walkie with front facing cam.
Posted by goldenface
I'd like to see a return of the front facing camera too. I used it quite a bit on my old C905.
Posted by kreacher
On 2010-10-07 08:31:45, smclion102 wrote:
Sony outs world's first 16.41 megapixel cellphone sensor
2011 Q2
will launch worlds 1st 16.4 mp Phone
When everyone's moving past the Megapixel count and focusing on larger sensors for better image quality SE it still cramming in 16.4MP in a 1/2.8" sensor. What a waste
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
sensor is small for that amount of megapixels, expect noise... nothing more....
Posted by DarkKrypt
click na link SRBIJA! lol
might change you mind about the noise.
nokia n8s hack for raw photos is impressive too.
[ This Message was edited by: DarkKrypt on 2010-10-07 11:51 ]
Posted by goldenface
Why don't they just give us optical zoom? We've been asking for it for years and years - since the days of the K800i.
Posted by Dups!
Aaah, the genious of marketing. What's next? They should give a really good camera sensor and module if they want to push the boundaries as when they added the xenon flash on the K800. This marketing gimmick is just tiring.
Posted by Ricky D
@goldenface your C905 has a front facing cam?!? mine doesn't!
Posted by goldenface
On 2010-10-07 15:03:56, Ricky D wrote:
@goldenface your C905 has a front facing cam?!? mine doesn't!
Actually, no it didn't but it was still video calling enabled.
Posted by HxH
No ways! optical zoom is reserve for real digicams believe me, it won't spread out through phone+camera easily.
Next big thing is about 3D and it will be good gimmick and marketing when thing getting smaller and smaller these days
Think about 20MPx still image 1080p 30fps HD video capturing and plus 3D 2MPx capturing unit in 2012
Posted by goldenface
The Sharp 903 had optical zoom years ago. If the iPhone suddenly featured optical zoom everyone would be clamouring for it.
Posted by domipost
The thing with optical zoom is that it's way to big for in a mobile phone. If you make it small the quality runs back and it'll have little advantage over digital zoom and if you keep it big the phone will be big. Only way out might be liquid lenses.
Posted by synn
Prime lenses > Zoom lenses.
Pick up a real camera, do some real shooting and you'll know why.
Zoom on a camphone is the most useless "Bragging right" tech ever. Much more so than megapixel counts.
Posted by badassmam
Having that 16MP cam working in a phone will be hard and will take time. Its very small which means they would need to work hard on the software aspect, not one of their strong points. The Nokia N8 is the perfect example, the raw pics are amazing but due to crappy programming, its not that good now (check Eldar's review on it). Anyway, I don't think the 'X12' will get this camera, its more of a replacement for the X10 and if there is a 16MP phone coming soon, I have heard nothing about it.
And yes, the Moto Droid Pro is amazing and that it what
should have digivolved the P1 into, the X10 Mini Pro just doesn't do it. Also, people wondering how comes the HTC HD3 isn't 1.5Ghz is because it doesn't need it at the minute. With WP7 able to run smoothly at 1Ghz, they thought it would be pointless to have such an expensive device and also, they want to establish themselves with the new OS early hence the various different models for release. Don't despair though, 1.5Ghz for Gingerbread and WP7 devices is not far away.
Posted by Mizzle
A bit of a self promotion, but interesting and relevant none the less. SE won't be ready for the launch of Windows Phone 7:
http://se-blog.com/blog/2010/[....]dy-for-windows-phone-7-launch/
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2010-10-07 18:20 ]
Posted by Dups!
Wow, that is a surprise
SE needs to do something with these delays cause they are really hurting them. But then, we've been saying the very same thing for far too long that it is a waste of time mentioning it over and over again.
[ This Message was edited by: Dups! on 2010-10-07 19:59 ]
Posted by motvikt
On 2010-10-07 19:17:32, Mizzle wrote:
A bit of a self promotion, but interesting and relevant none the less. SE won't be ready for the launch of Windows Phone 7:
http://se-blog.com/blog/2010/[....]dy-for-windows-phone-7-launch/
[ This Message was edited by: Mizzle on 2010-10-07 18:20 ]
Not a very big surprise but a confirmation atleast. Announcement in november and release in feb-mar probably.
Posted by CELL-P
I don't want a WP7 phone from SE right now. It is just another headache. Android is nice and it is ready out there. Jeez,
, just make an android phone with superb hardware and camera and everyone will be happy.[ This Message was edited by: CELL-P on 2010-10-07 20:07 ]
Posted by doministry
Heh no
I wouldn't be happy.
Posted by Ricky D
@Mizzle good to see you back
Posted by synn
On 2010-10-07 18:50:45, badassmam wrote:
The Nokia N8 is the perfect example, the raw pics are amazing but due to crappy programming, its not that good now (check Eldar's review on it).
1) The N8 has no true RAW output, hacked firmware or otherwise.
2) ELdar's review is a sham, he doesn't know the first thing about photography and countless others who know how to handle cameras have proved him wrong by now. A camera isn't judged by the worst picture it takes, it's by the best.
On topic:
3) The samples from the 16 MP module are astounding and should provide Nokia's 12 MP module real competition. SE, contrary to what you believe, has had the better cam optimisations among all manufacturers (I'd even go as far to say that if there's ONE thing SE knows, it's cameras.) and I'd expect a knockout from them if they use this module. The Satio has had its issues, but if there's one thing it always delighted me with, it's the camera. Watch out for over exposure in high contrast scenes and it's better than everything else in the phone realm except for the N8 now, of course.
Posted by Vipera ammodytes
Where I can see samples from that new sensor?
Posted by avmaxfan
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Its mentioned that phones with the 16mpx sensor will start shipping as early as January 2011, so does that mean
will drop the 12 mpx camera for the X12 (maybe X11 too?) and ship both the phones with the new 16mpx sensor instead ? 
Oh and Apple is gonna be getting the 8 mpx sensor from Sony for their next Iphone
[ This Message was edited by: avmaxfan on 2010-10-08 10:08 ]